Phil Spencer Updates Twitter Profile Image to Xbox Series X Chip

Phil snuck a new look at the Series X by updating his twitter profile to that of the Xbox Series X Chip, which includes the engravings of "8k" and "Project Scarlett" on it.

[Gazondaily]

The first view of the innards of the beast.

[Wasabi]

Big Phils got it as his Twitter profile picture.

Looks at the size of the die compared to the Xbox One X, it's almost 1/3 a bigger!

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[darthv72]

Looks like they are aiming for 8k output resolution for media. Games will be a bit more demanding but some will hit 8k as well. Just like all media playback hits 4k on the X and many games hit 4k as well (but not all).

[SyntheticForm]

Impressive indeed.

[darthv72]

More of the Series X was shown during AMD's conference... https://twitter.com/Wario64...

[Parasyte]

@darthv72

AMD came out and said that wasn’t a real render of the Series X

[Wasabi]

New image showing multiple Series X GPU's in storage tray

"Guess Phil found my missing piece"

https://mobile.twitter.com/...

[Unspoken]

"First, we gonna rock, then we gonna roll
Then we let it pop, go, let it go!
X gon' give it to ya, he gon' give it to ya!"

[Jin_Sakai]

Mike Ybarra:

“Under promise and over deliver. Don't over promise and under deliver.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/...

He’s referring to the 8K nonsense stamped on the Xbox Series X chip.

[AngainorG7X]

I guess you missed his second tweet. Very convenient

[Wasabi]

@Jin_Sakai

**“Under promise and over deliver. Don't over promise and under deliver.”**

I agree,

I think putting the 8K on the APU die is a mistake - sends out the wrong impression, we all know that the Series X is unlikely to be rendering complex games at 8K, anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool.

The real news here for me is the die size and the capacitor count - judging by what I have seen from other NAVI based GPU's it's not doing 8K in (many) games, but it will most likely be putting out some big numbers at or around the 4K mark, I expect the same or similar from the PS5.

[bluefox755]

Over promise and under deliver, this has been the Xbox business model from the start.

[Automatic79]

There always one who never looks at the full picture, just what they want to see @ Jin_Sakai.

[DaDrunkenJester]

Please tell me where in that tweet he was referencing Xbox or this SOC?

[rainslacker]

@Wasabi

I wouldn't call it a mistake. Kind of pointless to stamp it on the die though. Won't have any relation to the actual abilities of the chip, or how developers will utilize it. I wouldn't bother making a game render at 8K anytime in the near future, because what's the point with so few 8K displays out there? It's just going to be scaled down to 4K or less for most users anyhow, so I'd choose higher performance rendered at 4K instead of 8K with lower performance but super-sampled down.

Whether they stamp it on the dye or not, they would be saying 8K elsewhere if they wanted that message out there. I don't know what MS has said specifically about it so far, and Sony has had a vague "it can output at 8K", which isn't the same as rendering at 4K.

People will misconstrue the whole thing anyways in the end, from both companies, and the new gen will bring in the same as the old gen in terms of console war rhetoric.

[Donnie81]

Well it will come closer to 8 k than the ps5 seeing as it has almost a 3 tflop advantage. Man that’s gonna really sting when it’s confirmed

[cyber_daemonx]

@donnie, it's not confirmed yet so you are reaching tbh.

[Donnie81]

I’m not reaching at all cyber. Official documents stating the exact specs of the ps5 are out there. It’s far from a secret

[timotim]

"We got it if the fiends want it"

Exciting times. Im loving the journey so far.

[hanuman2]

r

[Pancit_Canton]

Mythical Beast.

It only exist on Septic's head, while he's chocking his chicken with the picture of Phil Spencer smiling at him.

https://www.google.com/sear...

[kayoss]

@septic
You say the same thing over and over again when ever it related to anything xbox. Xbox X was also a "Beast" but nothing to show for. Its like having a Beast with no teeth. Whats the point of having a beast of a console if you're not going to utilize its power to the fullest?

[Gazondaily]

Nothing to show for it? The likes of Red Dead Redemption, Gears 5 and pretty much most multiplats showed off the power of the 1X.

[1Victor]

Wow seriously how is this news
I’ll change my profile picture from 3 years ago and call it news 😂

[DiRtY]

But nobody gives a *beep* about you though.

[TheScotsman]

He's just trying to get Sony to play there hand as they have no idea

[neomahi]

They know. They all attend the same trade shows, the same developer conferences, etc. Both consoles have the same hardware because minds like Ken Kutaragi no longer exist, innovation is dead. Those that run Sony and Microsoft aren't techies, they're marketing salesman, that's all this is, marketing, slowly rolling out information over time to build hype. AMD did all the work but they're catering to two competing companies which is weird. Would be more competitive if Sony were using nvidia and Microsoft AMD, then nobody would know, but nvidia are apparently too expensive so it affects everyone.

[Donnie81]

The only hand they got to play is 3 tflops weaker with less ram fake ray tracing. Pretty much less everything for only 100$ less. They went for bargain performance but in the end it’s not much of a value compared to the series x

[Atticus_finch]

It's good to see green bois have been made humble by they're 3rd L in an row.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

That is one sexy processor! I wasn't all that excited leading up to the current generation we're in, and while I won't say I'm in 'excited territory' for next gen yet, I have to say that I haven't been this interested in the details regarding a console launch since the PS3. Also, what if (and it's a big what if) the Xbox Series X is upgradeable? I mean, this thing is essentially a Mini ITX PC.

If AMD knows Microsoft is going to sell millions of Series X units, could AMD not produce a graphics card upgrade for a fraction of the cost of what PC gamers pay for discrete graphics cards for PC? They could lock down the bios so it can't be overclocked, and they could make a change to the PCIe so that it only works on the Xbox Series X, just so they don't cannibalize their gaming PC business.

I remember back before current gen consoles launched, this idea of a modular or upgradeable console was a topic for discussion. Also, after recently watching the Gamers Nexus teardown of the Xbox One X, and seeing how modular that console was, with the power supply just plugged into the motherboard, the fairly standard looking optical drive connected with a sata cable, and the blower style cooler over the APU with the heat sink and vapor chamber, which looked like an oversized blower style graphics card, it looks to me like an upgradeable console could be a realistic possibility. Microsoft could also sell this concept as being more environmentally friendly, as you would retain your actual console for a much longer period of time, being that you could update the GPU and maybe the memory, which would result in less waste over the course of the next 10 years or so.

The other side to this, is the unannounced Lockhart console. Perhaps Lockhart is the exact same console as the Xbox Series X, but with a weaker GPU, with only 4 Tflops of processing power for 1080p gamers. Wouldn't it be cool, if you could update the GPU to a 12 Tflop scarlet GPU, once you're ready to go out and buy a 4K TV, which would require the extra horsepower for the higher graphics settings. What if Microsoft is about to turn the console business completely on its head? Or, what if I've just had a bit too much coffee today?

[Terry_B]

OKAAAAAAAAY!

[richie007bond]

Look at all the salty downvote’s lol sad people

[Gazondaily]

Haha its hilarious. People really love to hate :P

[I_am_Batman]

Those are a lot of caps. Also monolithic die confirmed.

Edit: @Wasabi: Hey! Happy new year to you, too.

[Wasabi]

@Batman - Happy New Year

**"Those are a lot of caps. Also monolithic die confirmed"**

This man knows.

[ABizzel1]

It's also apparently slightly bigger than the the Xbox One X chip in size, which means at minimum there should be 40 CUs in the chip, but considering its 7nm (Series X) vs 16nm (XBO-X), it could realistically be 40 CU - 56 CU (with 4 disables on the 56CU for yields, so 52 CU).

Which means at a 1.8GHz minimum clock, that puts it at the lowest 9.2 TFLOPS with 40 CUs, and at best 12.9 TFLOPS with 52 CUs (11.98 aka 12 TFLOPS), which fits perfectly with the rumored specs for the PS5 and Series X.

[I_am_Batman]

It's important to keep in mind where the rumours originated. The TFLOPS for Series X rumour came from Phil's quote:

"We wanted to have a dramatic upgrade from the Xbox One base console. So when we do the math, we're over eight times the GPU power of the Xbox One, and two times what an Xbox One X is."

If we take the One S as a baseline that gives us ~11.3-12.5 TFLOPS. If we double the floating point performance of the One X we get 12 TFLOPS which fits into this range. Using the original Xbox One gives us a lower range of ~10.5-11.6 TFLOPS which doesn't line up with the Xbox One X numbers so I think it's save to assume, that they are targetting around 12 TFLOPS or more.

The way the Series X is designed I assume it'll have a good cooling solution, so higher clockspeeds shouldn't be much of a problem. Still, anything below 52 CUs would require a higher clock than 1.8GHz which is unlikely for power efficiency and yield reasons.

The rumours of the 9.2 TFLOPS PS5 on the other hand are much more unrealistic. The 9.2 TFLOPS came from the Oberon test at 2Ghz. It seems to be a 36 CU part. A much more narrow chip. 2Ghz is not gonna happen in a compact retail console. The thermals and power efficiency would be really bad, but even more importantly the yields for a 2Ghz chip would be disastrous.

If, and that's a big if the 36 CU chip turns out to be the design we end up getting in the PS5, 8TFLOPs would be the best we can hope for imo, which makes me think that Sony probably wouldn't set such a low ceiling for themselves early on.

This is pure speculation but it's possible that these were early tests, with minimum customisation and R&D involved to see how RDNA architecture could work for PS4 backwards compatibility. They wouldn't need more than 36 CUs for that. Since AMD already had a 40/36 CU chip Sony might've used that to get bc testing going early on.

[ABizzel1]

@Batman

I agree with some of you points, but there a few things that I believe to be different.

The only slight issue with that is Polaris and Navi aren't equivalent architectures, and a Navi GPU with a lower TFLOP total will perform on par or equivalent to a Polaris GPU that has a much higher TFLOP total.

A perfect example of this would be a Vega 64 which is a 12.5 TFLOP GPU and pretty much directly 2x the floating performance of an Xbox One X, however, the RX 5700 XT is only a 9.7 TF GPU, but outperforms the Vega 64 by 20% in overall performance, even though the Vega 64 has about 30% more theoretical floating performance and 24 more compute units.

As far as clock speeds go generally speaking the larger the chip, the lower the clock speeds in order to drasticall reduce heat. I doubt any of these consoles will have liquid or advanced cooling. I assume the Series X is using a thermal paste, with maybe a traditional cooling fan (hence the size and shape), as well as a blower to keep thermals as low and affordable as possible. But with that being said it's still a small box compared to a gaming PC and the chip is large comparatively speaking to a standard GPU since the CPU is likely on the same die. Which is why 1.8 GHz is a good clock speed. Looking at the Navi 5700 (1.7 GHz) and 5700 XT (1.9 GHz) that 1.8 makes a lot of sense until you get to the 40 CU range where 1.9 GHz - 2.0 GHz is possible especially if these GPUs are a hybrid of Navi and Navi+ technology which is becoming more and more likely.

And the PS5 makes a bit of sense as well. If it has 36 CUs, that means more than likely it was a 40CU part originally, meaning it's basically an RX 5700 XT tweaked with Navi+ tech, which would be a great GPU in a console and make that $499 goal achievable next holiday. The 5700 XT is already 1.9 GHz, and with the reduced CUs there's a chance to increase the clocks to 2.0 GHz, although usually, consoles decrease clock speeds, we don't know what the PS5 looks like design-wise, so they too may have a solid cooling system in place to help with thermals, and being 36 CUs makes porting and scaling of PS4 Pro versions of games significantly easier. So that's where this rumor is finding a bit more ground. And again even at 9TFs, that PS4 is performing on par with a Vega 64 aka 2x the performance of the Xbox One X.

So honestly I think both consoles are either likely right on par with one another, or maybe if MS is releasing dual consoles at launch then they will have a Xbox One X+ console (Zen 2 CPU + RX 5600 GPU) and the Xbox Series X being 12 TFLOPS Navi.

So either $499 PS5 vs $499 Xbox Series X

or

$399 Xbox One X+ vs $499 PS5 vs $599 minimum Series X

[I_am_Batman]

Xbox Series X:
Vega's graphics pipeline was horrendously unefficient. Navi is ~1.5 times as efficient in game performance compared to Vega but "only" 1.25 times as efficient as Polaris. As far as I know the One X was based on Polaris so we should use the 1.25 multiplier from Polaris. Twice the performance of the One X would be around 9.6 TFLOP/s using RDNA µarchitecture.

The problem I have with this interpretation is that Microsofts reaction towards the 12 TFLOPS speculation that has been going on makes it seem like they made a flat calculation instead of a real world performance calculation.

PS5:
We can't look at the 5700 XT in isolation. The 5700 XT can only coexists with the 5700 that uses up the lesser quality silicon. If you're dealing with a custom SOC for a console you most likely won't have a slightly weaker version of the console that can use up all the lesser-quality silicon. You have to get the specs to a point where the yields will be good enough to produce this singular chip in masses. A 2GHz SOC will not meet that criteria. Even 1.8GHz is pushing it. Realistic clocks would be 1.6-1.7GHz which in the case of Oberon would result in a sub 8 TLOPS console. I doubt that Sony engineers thought they can count on higher clocks or that sub 8TFLOPs would be a good target to have. Considering PS4 being hot and loud is one of the main criticisms of the console I find it hard to believe that the engineers would target a narrow/ fast design in the first place.

And I don't think we'll see $399 happening for either console considering NAND Flash and DRAM prices are rising in 2020. Of course they could always opt to include a smaller SSD and/or less RAM to meet their price target. They could also take a loss on every console sold, but I think that $449 is the lowest one can hope for with $499 probably being the realistic target. Since pricing involves more strategic decision-making and one cannot simply derive it from the BOM I'm not willing to take a bet on that one though.

[Wasabi]

@Batman

***"it's possible that these were early tests, with minimum customisation and R&D involved to see how RDNA architecture could work for PS4 backwards compatibility. They wouldn't need more than 36 CUs for that."***

Probably the most sensible thing I've read about the Ensaka leak.

It's almost certainly testing carried out for Sony's PS5, There's no guarantee that it's the actual PS5 GPU being benchmarked.

[Jayrod]

Both PS5 and Xbox Series X uses same chip sets with they’re own modded version

[Kribwalker]

according to multiple leaks this is incorrect

[AshleeEmerson]

I have no idea why I laughed at this so hard.

[Christopher]

According to multiple leaks before this generation, Xbox One is standing right where people think Series X is standing.

Hard Data >>>>>>> anonymous leak-a-roos for da clickity-click crew.

[Wasabi]

@Christopher

***"Hard Data >>>>>>> anonymous leak-a-roos for da clickity-click crew."***

Chris, I can see where you are coming from but I think it's a little bit of a reach to state that the _rogame and Komachi Ensaka leaks reported by Eurogamer were "anonymous".

I've been following both data miners for a while, _rogame via Reddit and Ensaka via Twitter. These guys are seasoned at what they do and well respected by people far more in the know than we are. Ensaka datamines Nvidia, AMD and Intel hardware from datamined internal testing and benchmarks upload to servers known to be used by major manufacturers when performing internal testing and validations and cross references this information with known data from serial and part numbers used by the respective company.

In my experience of following both, they are correct 99% of the time, I have never seen either put their name to something they are unsure about - The details they reported also correspond perfectly with the Gonzalo leak from April last year, part numbers align and codenames correlate using names derived from the works of William Shakespeare, a known AMD naming convention used for console hardware and also consistent with the Gonzalo leak.

I highly doubt that Richard Leadbetter and the team at Digital Foundry (in addition to several other high profile and reputable tech based websites) would put their name to something they were not confident about, reputation is everything to these outlets, I do not think they would compromise their integrity for the sake of a few clicks.

I agree with a previous post where you commented that DF had stated that some of the results lacked context, but the majority of the information supplied did not, they also stated that the "overwhelming evidence indicated that this was genuine PS5 data that originated from AMD's internal testing department uploaded to Github by an AMD employee" - The DF team verified the individuals concerned and provided background to the source of the leaks as from within AMD internal testing and validation cell.

There was also the disclosure an elaborate reporting of PS4 and PS4 Pro backwards compatibility operating freqs baked into the hardware that made up the testing and was reported in detail on Ensaka's Twitter as well as DF, this data included CU counts, operating frequencies and GPU memory bandwidth data consistent with that of the PS4 and PS4 Pro models of console, we know that PlayStation has promised backwards compatibility between PS5 and the outgoing PS4 - That is context.

Finally, of all the leaks out there in the wild (and I agree there are many) if there was no truth to the matter then why did the Twitter takedown request for _rogame's original post come from SIE themselves as discovered by the Twitter whizz kids - when all other leaks have gone uncontested?

It seems to me that if it were true that there was no substance to the rumours they would have been left to stand, they were not, and in my experience there's usually no smoke without fire.

I am in no way discounting your opinion and agree that hard data will always trump an anonymous leak, but I feel that in this case the overwhelming evidence does point to there being at least some truth in the matter and it not being a leaked rumour for the sake of clicks and revenue.

[Gazondaily]

Lets just bookmark these posts and see what holds true? Sooner or later we will all see whether the leaks were correct or not. Unless WW3 puts a spanner in the works!

[babadivad]

@Christopher

The devkits for X1 and PS4 were public knowledge a year before release. And they were bang on. MS boosted the CPU and GPU clocks slightly because they had the thermal headroom. That's it.

This late in the game, the hardware is what the hardware is.

[RangerWalk267]

That's not true. Most reports show the Series X is about 40% more powerful than the PS5. Still... Both next Gen consoles will be a BIG step forward from this current generation.

[cyber_daemonx]

Those reports are fake news till they are confirmed fgs.

[DJStotty]

the same, but their own version????

So different then?

[isarai]

HOLY MOLY thats a lot of caps!

[Neonridr]

8K is just a silly marketing gimmick here. Neither of these systems are hitting anything natively at 8K. Not to mention very few displays are capable of that resolution anyways. Not entirely sure why they would put that on the chip, but all the power to them I guess.

[ElementX]

They had a scorpion/MC on the X board, that was kinda fun. I wonder what that code is

*EDIT* I changed from SOC to board because I realized my error

[Wasabi]

@ElementX

***"They had Master Chief on the Scorpio SOC"***

I took my X apart to replace the stock thermal paste with some thermal grizzly a couple of months ago, there was no MC on the actual APU but there was a picture of the Chief riding a Scorpion etched onto the mainboard.

I thought it was a nice touch.

[Edit] Confused me for a sec Element, You made an edit, I thought I was going mad lol, Yeah that's right mate.

[Neonridr]

don't get me wrong, I love these little touches added to the chips and motherboards. I just think in this case, specifically with the 8K, it's a little silly.

[2pacalypsenow]

This.

[isarai]

I think it's really just trying to prevent a repeat of this gen where 4K became far more popular, far sooner than they expected which is the main reason we got the X and Pro.

[The 10th Rider]

IDK, I imagine next gen consoles will support HDMI 2.1 and I'm sure they could run Indies at 8K.

Putting "8K" on the chip is silly, and obviously it's stupid if either use 8K in their marketing, but I feel like saying there's no way they can run *anything* in 8K is a bit overboard.

[DaDrunkenJester]

No reason these next machines couldn't pump out a game like Cuphead at 8k. I highly doubt it will be a main resolution, but indies can hit it I'm sure.

[rainslacker]

I honestly think 4K isn't being as coveted by the masses as many on the forums like to make out. I know 4K adoption of displays is pretty high, mostly because it costs the same to get a 4K as a 1080, and you can't even find 1080 larger screens anymore. But outside the display aspect, 4K media in it's different forms hasn't caught on. Even Blu-Ray had faster adoption, while 4K is almost a niche and expensive luxury.

Obviously gaming tends to have more people who want the best experience, but anyone who wants 8K next gen is going to be sorely disappointed. We're talking 4X the rendering power required to render 4K, and the new systems are going to be just above what is really required to do that commonly.

8K displays may gain momentum next gen, but I don't see them out in the wild right now, and I feel the upgrade cycle for TV's is becoming too fast for the average consumer to keep up.

If the console makers say 8K, then the processor can render at 8K. It doesn't mean that it will do that, as I can't imagine many devs would really go to the effort of optimizing an 8K image and performance. A high end 4K image and performance could be achieved, and upscaled would look great even on an 8K display.

[The 10th Rider]

@rainslacker,

Oh yeah, for sure.

That being said, back a few years ago when I was still rocking a 1080p 55" display, I had gotten my brother-in-law a used 4K player for his birthday, for his new 4K TV, and I hooked it up to make sure it worked first. Even with no 4K discs, I was blown away by how the Blu-Ray disc looked on the screen. I was worried it was a placebo, so I had to try it on both players, but sure enough the 1080p upscaled to 4K by the player and then downscaled to 1080p for the TV was a huge difference.

I haven't looked at any 8K sets, but I have to imagine an 8K image downsampled for a 4K TV would look awesome. I'm currently rocking an 86" 4K set and I would be all in favor of smaller games such as Indies or remasters rendering in 8K and downsampling from there. Obviously most people do not have TVs that large, but thankfully upping the resolution is super easy to do as long as the game isn't using all the available resources. As long as the smaller games can run at that resolution I don't see any reason they shouldn't.

[Unspoken]

I believe the 8K has more to do with the HDMI 2.1 standard than it does with the actual res and fps triple A devs will target.

[esemce]

Future 8k Movie playback.

[TheHateTheyGive]

Fluff fluff fluff... People wonder why the mainstream casuals dont buy anything xbox, they sure love talking and no action. XBox is great just ask them.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"they sure love talking and no action." What does that even mean anymore?

[Bronxs15]

Haha wow some people. Xbox is all talk and no action. So they don’t currently have the most powerful console available? And red dead 2 isn’t running at native 4K on Xbox one? And they didn’t actually reveal their next gen system which looks beast? And they don’t currently have the best service /value in game pass? And first party titles like gears 5 didn’t drop on game pass day 1? And they didn’t buy a bunch of first party studios like ninja theory? And they didn’t buy MINECRAFT? Damnnn all these fake news articles out here have me thinking Microsoft is serious. Guess it was just all talk.

[Father__Merrin]

this thing is likely to have power of a 2080 the thing being consoles will perform much much higher than the equivalent pc specs. for the price out of the box its going to perform better than almost all pcs out there

[Kribwalker]

it’s gonna be a monster. I’m tossing $20 a week aside for this guy and will just top it off at the end when it releases

[MrPerfect813]

This

[nismo370]

😂

[Unspoken]

$20 a week?! By that time you'll have enough for both consoles.

[Kribwalker]

@unspoken
i usually buy 2 at launch and one gets gifted to my kids for christmas. But if i trade my onex and oneS in i should have enough for both then

[RazzerRedux]

Edited my post as I misread what you were saying. The price/performance is always in favor of console at launch, but that changes dramatically as PCs continue to get upgrades every year and consoles do not. I could probably invest the same amount of money into my current PC as buying a new console next year and come out with a better performer. But that's speculation. When we get actual benchmarks next year then we will know where the new consoles truly stand.

[NXFather]

Are benchmarks simulated. I have no knowledge on how this is done for consoles. can the just be hooked up to usb and done?

[RazzerRedux]

It is done with video capture tools and software. Digital Foundry does it all the time.

[gravedigger]

So, close to 400 mm2 die size

[babadivad]

350

[gravedigger]

~400 mm2

Scarlett die size based on Phil's avatar pic is ~400mm2

https://wccftech.com/xbox-s...

Some gets 397,, some 401. but that's it. Like this one :

https://www.resetera.com/th...

https://www.resetera.com/th...

Yeah, chip is huge.

LOL at downvotes

[babadivad]

@Gravedigger

The bigger the better. Especially if it's 7nm+ which will allow 20% higher transistor density over 7nm. Hope they stuff all the hardware you can in there.

[phoenixwing]

windowscentral has too many ads

[Unspoken]

Ad block.

[AngainorG7X]

MonsterBeast!

[The-Matrix-has-you]

Lol Microsoft trying desperately to get Sony to reveal their hand. Going to be a very interesting year for gamers! Can’t wait for next gen!

[ReadyPlayer22]

With AMDs RDNA2 conference in a few hours and Xbox engineers reportedly in attendance, we could be hearing something very very soon. It is the 19 year anniversary of the Xbox unveil at CES

[Wasabi]

@ReadyPlayer22

**"With AMDs RDNA2 conference in a few hours and Xbox engineers reportedly in attendance, we could be hearing something very very soon. It is the 19 year anniversary of the Xbox unveil at CES"**

Honestly, I think if we hear anything at CES it will be from the PlayStation team, Corey Barlog is confirmed in attendance, AMD and Sony have their press conferences only four hours apart today.

After Barlog Tweeted his attendance a fan asked about PS at CES and Barlog liked the Tweet, if anything I think the reveal of the Series X SOC will be an effort from the green team to downplay a PS announce / media and keep the narrative on Spencers team.

We'll know for sure in a few hours, I'm actually hoping for something from PS, feels a bit one sided right now.

[MajorLazer]

I expect something fairly soon. A full reveal by february, maybe.

[Wasabi]

@Ready

You were on the money buddy, seems AMD showed a video of the rear of the Xbox Series X that displayed the potential rear port arrangement of the console.

Good shout bro :)

[Dovergamer]

The only way to test if this is true is with a game that shows actual game play. At this point such claim is pure speculation. It's better to get 4k first instead of making promises that are impossible to commit due to the processing power and complexity of the games.

Show me, don't tell Microsoft. This should be the mindset from now on.

[iplay1up2]

That is great, but 8K tvs are not common. They also carry a hefty price tag. I am sticking with my 65 inch 4K HDR Dolby Vision with Atmos sound. Can't wait for next gen! Both PS5 and Series X are going to be AMAZING!

[Christopher]

Downsampling from 8k can have benefits in reducing load on things like AA when you know it's going to be viewed at 4k or lower. It's a tricky thing, balancing memory and processing. It's not a straight line when you use tricks to avoid harder to process things.

I'm no expert, btw, just what I've learned from many a professional explaining stuff like this and the ways they bypass limitations or find ways to reduce other things.

[rainslacker]

It's a balance between how much power it takes to render 4X the data of 4K, versus the power required to use other techniques which improve image quality. AA is demanding on a processor, but all modern GPU's have specific functions for it, and the higher the resolution, the less need there is for it so it could be cut back in hardware, although I think it was't taken out to improve 1080 renders, as it's possible to render different parts of an image at different resolutions. Of course, we could keep going further down the rabbit hole of tricks to talk about balance, but it's mostly hypothetical and extremely dependent on what the dev is trying to achieve.

As with all things programming, the answer is, "it depends".

[badz149]

But seriously though, why are we even talking about 8K right now? Sure there already 8KTVs around but these new consoles are not going to hit that mark anytime soon. Why? Because even SLI 2080Ti is not capable of such feat at a respectable performance, let alone a <$500 console.

[bluefox755]

*shrug*

[Shikoku]

Mm interest why stamp 8k on it? Its not going to do 8k gaming. Meh whatever

[Christopher]

Lots of cultures have interesting ways of trying to instill the best in their future. Alasitas is a time where some people in Bolivia will make or buy miniatures of things they want to get in the coming year. Perhaps a new PC, a pair of shoes, or the like. I think putting something like this on the Chip for Spencer isn't a sign that it will do 8k regularly, only that they want it to be an image of their future goals rather than just a sign that this is this Chip and who knows what their plans are for the future.

[Shikoku]

No its a misleading garbage plain and simple. Down vote if you want, doesnt change the fact its not going to play 8k game period the nivida top of the line gpus struggle at 4k 60fps thats a fact.

[Christopher]

"No its a misleading garbage plain and simple. Down vote if you want, doesnt change the fact its not going to play 8k game period the nivida top of the line gpus struggle at 4k 60fps thats a fact."

Something no one will ever see and isn't part of their marketing is misleading garbage?

I think you need to step back on this one. The vitriol is overpowering.

[RazzerRedux]

"Something no one will ever see and isn't part of their marketing is misleading garbage?"

The chip was part of the marketing for Xbox One X. Images like the one below were created by Microsoft for marketing purposes.

https://compass-ssl.xbox.co...
https://www.google.com/url?...
https://i.redd.it/7vvarg49i...

Having said that, both Sony and Microsoft have said their new consoles would be "capable" of 8K.
https://www.theverge.com/20...

What that really entails, who knows? If it is disingenuous then both Sony and MS are guilty of it.

[badz149]

@Christopher

"Something no one will ever see and isn't part of their marketing..."

It's on Twitter, everybody can see it. And if this is not marketing, you don't know what marketing is.

[Christopher]

***It's on Twitter, everybody can see it. And if this is not marketing, you don't know what marketing is.***

I'll remember this on release day off the Series X when they're putting this in our face.

"Everyone" isn't seeing this. Not even 2% of the potential market is ever going to see this.

[nowitzki2004]

Do you know how many teens and uninformed people will see the 8k and think they are gaming in 8k on day 1?..... even when they dont own 8k tv.

[jjb1981]

I can appreciate that they're looking forward but I'd much rather just have 4K@60fps. I wish that they'd make it a standard for games if they're going to be pushing this beast of a machine. 8K means nothing if I don't have the display for it.

[Lennoxb63]

You're never going to get 60 fps as a standard on consoles because most times devs don't create games with that frame rate in mind.They aren't going to prioritize it for any games that aren't fast, twitchy, and/or competitive games.

[FanboysKiller]

Caps , Lots of Caps.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Wow! What a story!!

[THC CELL]

How many of us have 8k tvs some of us just got 4k

Keep getting brainwashed

[isarai]

To be fair people thought the same about 4K tvs this gen when they first announced the X and Pro

[RedDevils]

I wait for 16k then.

[waltyftm]

Tried to edit for a laugh, photo already looks edited, dunno why i made this but nevermind lol, enjoy.
https://ibb.co/fDv6s9z

[Mithan]

Yes, because 8k is going to be really viable on this system. If I wanted my games to look like a Switch game at 8k, I would buy a Switch.

[NeoGamer232]

I am not sure 8K will be all that unviable in 2-3 years.

Really, the resolution of the TV that is required is more to do with its size then anything. During black friday and after Christmas sales I noticed that 4K TVs are becoming dirt cheap. $500 will get you into a 4K 55" now-a-days. It won't be long before 8K TVs are in the $2,000 ranger for a 65" at current rate and many TV home theatre enthusiasts will buy 8K TVs sending the price to more reasonable levels.

I am not saying everyone will be buying them, but there are people that will pay the premium to have a really good home theatre.

[Mithan]

Down vote me all you want, but I'm not talking about up scaling. I don't my games to look like Doom, which is how they will look at that resolution for years to come. Or run at 3fps.

I get that most people on this site have no technical ideas and think that 8k is really a thing that will run at 120fps at 8k with ultra settings, but they are wrong.

[MarkyMark89]

You have to understand most of our generation has no idea how computers or tech actually works, they just operate them.

[TheHateTheyGive]

When phil spencer's mouth is moving he's lying.

[Wasabi]

@TheHateTheyGive

"When phil spencer's mouth is moving he's lying"

It's a photograph, Phil Spencer hasn't said anything.

[GamingInFrames]

When I mess around with Nvidia's DSR resolution scaling (8K), it takes such an insane toll on the framerate with more demanding games, and immediately causes temps to sore until I create a new fan curve for my SLI setup. As for these new consoles, newer games will not run in 8K. Maybe some older titles and side scrollers that have been enhanced for 8K. And even then, the larger the 8K 2.1 display, the more appreciative you'll be with 8K.

[trancefreak]

This will be my 5th Gen PlayStation console release, I was a kid when Atari, Intellevision and coleco vision were released. owned NES and Super Nintendo plus Sega master system, Saturn and Dreamcast, Xbox, Xbox 360. Damn I am getting old. I was feeling nostalgic so carry on

[Donnie81]

That beauty is gonna power next gen’s most powerful system

[the worst]

How about tweeting a good new game for a change...

[the worst]

The XBOXTRUMP Over promise and under deliver.

[3-4-5]

8k doesn't matter as people won't have 8k tv's in every household for another 7-10 years.

I'm still really excited for the Series X though.....and everything next gen.

[jonivtec]

no matther what they promise......first gen ps4 and xbox one wasnt able to push 1080p in most game...then...ps4 pro and xbox one x....was able to do 4k..but at a 30fps or 1080p at 60fps....(sony only checkerboard. 4k)...forget about 8k...its a marketing thing...a think 4k 30fps will become the norm with excellent visual....4k 60 fps with nice visual...and 8k just for the sake of it.My gpu now pushing 10 teraflops...cant run red dead 2 at 2k over 60fps....just be realistic...optimization is one thing...but reality is another.Game world will be better...AI will be better...thats what next gen will be about

[Wontime1]

Surprised that monster can fit in a thumbnail

[FanboySpotter]

I cringe badly when randoms that don't even know official specs for next gen consoles are already saying "no next gen console will do 8k!" You know this hoooowww? No one knows. Even just saying "even if they do 8k it will be in indie games or checkerboard!" How do you even know that? Just wait lol.

It really wouldn't surprise me if they were able to hit 8k with mixed settings in 1st party games for xbox and playstation. 8k/alright settings 30fps or 4k/max 60fps option.

[waverider]

Dude, we dont need official specs... Talk about 8k gaming is just stupid. There no market this year, there no market next year, there no market next, next year. Even 4k isnt a reality, much less 8k gaming... It will take years and years and years for 8k... There still a huge lack of content at 4k, talking about 8k is just something that some must talk because they got nothing else to hype, after they went all out with the True 4k of the X. Try double 2080TI to reach 8k and even that... Out of touch.

[FanboySpotter]

Consoles, waverider. We're talking consoles. Optimization is too different compared to PC. You gotta know actual specs to even go against the thought of 8k, you're no insider nor am i. People said consoles would never do 4k and they ended up hitting the native mark even if on some low settings, checkerboard or even dynamic and now with these newer gen consoles 4k gaming is now "cool ig whatever" no more "consoles will never do it!" Mentality.

In short wait and see. Have your doubts but don't believe in something that may or may not be true without even knowing what next gen consoles are capable of.

[MarkyMark89]

I love this population of console-only players who want the push for 4k and 8k so bad when they haven't even experienced a game in 1080p with all the graphical settings on Ultra, running at a high frame rate. Btw I own a Ps4 just a heads up considering your name, I know that will be one of your first rebuttals " Master race pc blah blah blah" add me if you like Mac4_2o

Now on to your comment, how do we know the console won't be capable of 8k, simple the current GPU's offered by AMD. It doesn't matter how much tricks or talent Sony an MS Studios have, they are limited by the hardware, it's not rocket science. In the GPU world, 2080ti's struggle to achieve the same things people want out of the next gen console GPU's, but AMD is still 2-3 years behind Nvidia in that realm, they are focused on CPU's currently and it's paying off and honestly fuck Intel. That also benefits Sony and MS, you can't beat the price to performance for any AMD chip, helps them keep the cost down. But that's off-topic back to what I was saying, 8k for media, movies, youtube, will definitely be a thing. But anybody claiming AAA titles will run in 8k next-gen, obviously, just have no clue about current tech and how computers or hardware work and just like spewing nonsense to defend their platform of choice.

[Gotcha5]

There's a lot of inappropriate heat at N4Ponies on an Xbox thread (bouta Series X chip). What... did a Xbot throw a match in tha pony stable. Calm yo ass down... Blame Sony for filling your heads up about PS glimpse of the future (CES). When all 106m Sony humanoids tuned in... just to get glimpse of a New Logo (which looks exactly like every other PS logo before it)... direct your pony hate elsewhere. (this rant is not sponsored by Microsoft). Boss Phil FTW.

[waverider]

They couldnt put 4k after the X... Its a question of marketing. 8k is just for some that dont understant nothing of gaming. There arent gamers with 8k tv at home, wait maybe 5...

[babadivad]

That's a large chip.

[froy402]

When it comes to 8k capability, they are just preparing for the future I mean it's not like when these consoles come out there's going to be any affordable or even mainstream 8k TVs but put in mind that these consoles are going to be in the market for 8+ years. Sure they most likely won't support native 8k but there will be and has been confirmed that they will support 8k in some way and maybe when mid gen console release Ps5 pro and xbox sxx 8k will be more affordable and will support native 8k resolution even if it's at a slower fps. Technology is moving extremely fast I wouldn't completely dismiss on what is and what is not possible in the near future

[Artemidorus]

8k video I'm afraid.

[Max_Eckhardt]

8K lol

[Xavi4K]

MONSTER

[Fritzwochel]

8K! HAHAHA. It's like writing 4K on a 3DFX chip.

[neomahi]

So what, it's a chip, sort of.....

[mrmikew2018]

I’m not what MS’s strategy is when they send these photos out for their systems?

They did the same thing with the Xbox one X or am I missing something completely?