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EA Removes Marco Van Basten from FIFA 20 Following Nazi Remark

Marco van Basten has been removed from FIFA 20 indefinitely due to a remark tied to Nazis and Nazi supporters.

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Smokehouse8d ago

I was expecting some pathetic Nazi shit but it’s just some pathetic EA shit per usual. Are there any German people here? Is “hail victory” banned in your country?

Kostche8d ago

a lot stuff here in EU is banned, and can get you jail time

Imalwaysright8d ago

I can't speak for other european countries but thankfully in Portugal freedom of expression is a right granted by our constitution.

rdgneoz38d ago

@Imalwaysright You're free to say whatever you want. However, words do have consequences. You can't say bomb on a plane, fire in a building, etc without facing consequences.

What this idiot did is considered hate speech in several countries. If you don't know where it comes from, I'd suggest taking some history lessons. Neo-Nazis might be all the rage today for some people, but 6 million Jews might disagree (if they got a chance to live).

Imalwaysright8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

rdgneoz3

Your examples have far more dire consequences than offending someone else with words. I know very well who the nazis were and what they did but that doesn't change the fact that we, portuguese, value our freedom of expression because from 1926 to 1974 Portugal was under a dictatorship that imprisoned, tortured and killed people whose sin was to express their opinions/beliefs. Compared to that Van Basten's "hate speech" is absolutely meaningless. Hurray for freedom of expression.

sampsonon7d ago

@Imalwaysright

what does Portugal have to do with anything? lol
German's are the ones that put the most stringent laws regarding hate speech because they,Hitler, used words to motivate people to kill millions.
it's as simple as that.

Portugal? lol i don't understand?
Canada has the rights to free speech, but i would never walk around and use words that i know have a painful history for some.
that would just be ignorant.
if i did, my employer would have the right to fire me because of the damage it would do to the company.

this shouldn't be a discussion.
he even knew as soon as he said it he had to say sorry right away.

you live you learn

Imalwaysright7d ago

sampsonon

Why don't you read the comments of the people I'm replying to instead of asking stupid questions?

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KickSpinFilter8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Laws against giving the Nazi salute or displaying Nazi symbols were passed shortly after the end of the Second World War.

Giving the Nazi salute in Germany could result in a six-month prison sentence.

In 2011 a 30-year-old Canadian tourist was arrested after he was photographed giving the Nazi salute outside the Reichstag, the German parliament building, in Berlin. He got off with a fine and several hours in police custody.

So No it's not some pathetic EA shit per usual.
#Know your History

2pacalypsenow8d ago

He didn't do a Nazi salute though, he just said "Sieg Heil" which means "Hail Victory" in German.

#readthearticle

Smokehouse8d ago

Lol I know dude... that has nothing to do with what I asked or what EA did.

I’m asking about context from a German person, not obvious history. If it was some American baseball player walking down the street with a tiki torch saying seig heil then I would agree that’s a bit much. It’s not, it’s a couple Germans talking. I’m asking if it’s common for Germans to say that. EA removing him because of some triggered asshat with no context is pathetic EA per usual.

PitbullMonster8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

I'm german and no it isn't common to say that. It is actually forbidden here to say "Sieg Heil" and the Nazi salute too.

rdgneoz38d ago

@2pac "Today in Germany, Nazi salutes in written form, vocally, and even straight-extending the right arm as a saluting gesture (with or without the phrase), are illegal. The offence is punishable by up to three years in prison (Strafgesetzbuch section 86a)."

Key part, even vocally...

Smokehouse8d ago

@pitbull
Forbidden how? Legally, culturally, both? The salute is obvious, the flag is historical and should be shown in context or entertainment.

Banning “safe victory” because the Nazis said it is a bit naziish to me. Ruining somebody for it seems over the top. Or any legally or culturally forbidden words for that matter, I reject the premise. That’s fascist behavior. Safe victory to Hong Kong.

MWH8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

That's the result of losing wars, the victor will constitute the laws. But I've been in germany few times, they are respectful strong willed people.

PrematuaProcrastin8a8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

@2pacalypse to claim that when he said "sieg heil" it was a literal use of "hail victory" is laughable. He, and everyone knows the significance of that phrase and the context in which it has been historically used, especially in Germany. To attempt to say different is obtuseness on a whole new level.

TK-668d ago (Edited 8d ago )

@2pacqlypsenow

Are you going to pretend to be that stupid? "Hail victory" is a phrase rarely heard outside of Nazi circles, especially so in Germany. This isnt the sort of phrase you casually stumble upon in random conversation.

I amazed that you're arguing the phrase has no historical context, and then saying "#readthearticle" as though theres some conspiracy.

TheGoodestBoi7d ago

Lol German confirms that phrase is culturally unacceptable then Smokehouse mansplains why it isn't as if he knows better. go back to your cave you cuck

Smokehouse7d ago

@thegoodestboy

LOL Yes I asked a German for perspective. If I wanted to know what is “culturally appropriate” from somebody that says “mansplain” I would have asked you. I wouldn’t much care what you had to say.

He said it was forbidden, I asked him to elaborate. He did not. I then continued to explain why I, as an American, wouldn’t have to justify saying “hail victory” to a dingy hippy like you. “Hail Victory” is in my nfl home teams anthem lmao. Hail to the redskins, hail victory, braves on a warpath, fight for old DC. Why would you tie hail victory to the fucking Nazis? They got their asses kicked, it doesn’t even make sense. It’s a common phrase. Hence why I would be curious enough to ask somebody. Preferably someone in Germany and not a random dirtball fresh out of protest.

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rdgneoz38d ago

"Late last month, van Basten served as an analyst for Dutch Fox Sports, and during an interview with a German coach, van Basten said, “Sieg Heil” on air."

He went full Nazi on TV and then tried to backtrack. What he did is illegal in Germany... Don't try to sugar coat it.

"Today in Germany, Nazi salutes in written form, vocally, and even straight-extending the right arm as a saluting gesture (with or without the phrase), are illegal. The offence is punishable by up to three years in prison (Strafgesetzbuch section 86a)."

Keltech7d ago

Well that explains it, he thought he was on Fox news where white nationalist have a platform and where bigots and fascist are able to keep their jobs.

Fluttershy778d ago (Edited 8d ago )

No. but it is banned in Germany. I remember back in the day Wolfenstein was banned in Germany because it depicted swastikas (on the villains side of course).
He's not a kid. He should know better to not make those kind of jokes in public... He is a public figure, which comes with a lot of benefits but also some responsabilities, and so he has to deal with public consequences.
If I did some pathetic attempt of a joke like that among my friends at a party, nothing would happen (except perhaps people thinking "what an ass")
Best 9 Forward I ever saw, exquisite. Better than Ronaldo

Smokehouse8d ago

Lol too soon? Nobody gives a shit about Nazis anymore here. People don’t even remember what that Nazis were. It’s just a phrase you throw around as you assault people minding their own business.

rainslacker8d ago

@Smoke

I don't think that's true. Most people may not express concern about it because we're not subjected to it, but most people are informed well enough about who the Nazi's are, and what they did back in the day. They probably aren't as informed as the generations of the past, but I don't know of any place where Nazism is just some forgotten aspect of a bygone past.

The nazis of today, or those that call themselves that, don't really stand for all the political and social aspects of it, and it's just turned into another hate group.

The nature of the phrase itself is one of those things which is still tied to nazism...particularly when said in the way the nazis said it during demonstrations....of which I'm sure everyone would know if they heard it. Of course, context is sometimes key, and if said as a joke, the only reasonable conclusion is that they understood the context of the term as it's attached to Nazism, because otherwise, it's not really much of a joke.

Smokehouse8d ago

&rain
It’s generational sure. 2020 US couldn’t give a shit less about 2020 Germany’s symbol laws from WW2 lol. I didn’t say it was forgotten I said nobody gives a shit. Besides the people who casually shout nazi because they lack the intelligence to justify their hatred for something.

The new Nazis are ISIS in terms of pure evil. Nazis don’t exist anymore, they were defeated almost a century ago. You can’t compare Nazi germany to a prison gang.

I’m sure the Nazis said a bunch of German shit lol. It’s hail victory not hail hitler with a boot click salute. I dunno, it seems a bit much to me.

I don’t know if he was joking, That comment I responded to said he was. We still don’t know the context of the joke if he was. It opens up a new can of worms. What was that a response to? He’s talking to a German soccer coach. Is the coach a shouting douche? Was his comb over flopping around while he yelled at his players? Was he calling the coach a Nazi? Was he wishing him luck and swift victories? The article doesn’t say much besides he got fired and vaporized from EA products for saying Sieg heil. The phrase “to victory” is as old as war and competition itself in all languages. I’m okay with the phrase In all languages and I’m okay with a joke. Would like to know the context of the joke though lol

rainslacker7d ago

Not giving a sh*t doesn't mean that one can't respect the laws that they have. I also feel that the historical and contextual meaning of it is still pretty much very well understood. In many things of this nature, I feel context is very important, and if he were saying it as a sardonic way to mimic the Nazi rally cry, then it's inappropriate due to the nature of what it represents.

Does it make him a terrible person, or evil? I couldn't say in this situation. But it seems like he understood what he said and it's meaning pretty quick so he obviously understood it's context and that it would offend people.

Nazi's were an established political group, and you are right, they have been dissolved for over half a century. But, there are those who still cling onto portions of what it stood for, and those are the one's who only use it as a crutch because they don't even seem to understand the political aspects of the party, and only want to perpetuate the hate that they stood for, which is why they're not really worthy of being listened to IMO...but I digress.

I think he said it as a joke, because he did quickly apoligize, and seemed to be in a good humor at the time. I don't think it's right that people get their lives torn apart because they make a mistake. If they make continuous mistakes or are problematic, then that's a different story.

Companies though will react to social media outcry, because they themselves don't want to be potentially associated with such things. Those that want to act important know this, and use the system to get what they want and feel like they're doing something meaningful, when really, they're just being a**holes themselves.

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return_of_jeki8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Why would EA want to be associated with a person like this?

I am glad they have the freedom to do what they did.

Smokehouse8d ago

A person like this? We don’t even have a sentence of the conversation it was used in lol. What kind of person is he? Somebody who says hail victory in the context of German soccer? Who gives a shit? You and EA apparently lol.

Yeah I agree, capitalism is fantastic.

PowerOfTheCloud8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Yes here in germany the use of the phrase sieg heil is seen as the use of a symbol of an unconstitutional group. In theory it can be punished by having to pay a fee or even spending up to 3 years time in prison.

Our law also punishes the denying of the holocaust btw. Nationalsocialism is still a touchy subject in germany.

The use of these symbols are only allowed for use in art like movies and (since 2018) in games and in history teaching like documentaries, school subjects etc. But it is not allowed to wear national socialistic symbols like the infamous swastika, ss runes or even altered symbols used by forbidden skinhead/ neo nazi groups

Smokehouse8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

That’s crazy.

Who would deny the Holocaust? Besides the New York Times.

Yeah I remember when they finally stopped shitting on games.

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DrDeath8d ago

How about EA lower the price of EA access on PS4 as it's a total joke in comparison to Xbox and PC. I understand the PS4 isn't backwards compatible with the PS3 but the price should still be lower if that's the case has the selection of games is very poor

aaronaton8d ago

I bet they wouldn't remove Ronaldo and Messi if they both said something like this.

2pacalypsenow8d ago

They actually removed Ronaldo after he was accused of rape, that turned out to be false.

KickSpinFilter7d ago

Wow your usually better than that you failed, just cause what I posted does not physically call out speech, don't play dumb.
#Know your History

2pacalypsenow7d ago

@KickSpinFilter

wtf are you talking about?

SuperSparrow7d ago

what? Thought we should "believe women"?

Ninjamonkey828d ago

Any them players said that they would lose there sponsorship deals, add to that the stigma as being a nazi supporter. I believe they can have honours retracted aswell and if they did it in Germany they would face the same punishment as anyone else.

Rambokind8d ago

Let's remove everyone for saying something stupid. Is this the game we want to play? Really?

rdgneoz38d ago

Saying something illegal / considered hate speech in several countries, where you can actually go to prison for it? Yes, it's very stupid...

Christopher8d ago

If you're high profile and are using them to sell your product... yeah. That's not new. It's called marketing.

DarthZoolu7d ago

A certain type of people I'm not going to say which people love to say stupid things without consequences. Especially men of this type of people.

KickSpinFilter6d ago

Americans it's Americans right?

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