Marco van Basten has been removed from FIFA 20 indefinitely due to a remark tied to Nazis and Nazi supporters.
I was expecting some pathetic Nazi shit but it’s just some pathetic EA shit per usual. Are there any German people here? Is “hail victory” banned in your country?
a lot stuff here in EU is banned, and can get you jail time
I can't speak for other european countries but thankfully in Portugal freedom of expression is a right granted by our constitution.
@Imalwaysright You're free to say whatever you want. However, words do have consequences. You can't say bomb on a plane, fire in a building, etc without facing consequences. What this idiot did is considered hate speech in several countries. If you don't know where it comes from, I'd suggest taking some history lessons. Neo-Nazis might be all the rage today for some people, but 6 million Jews might disagree (if they got a chance to live).
rdgneoz3 Your examples have far more dire consequences than offending someone else with words. I know very well who the nazis were and what they did but that doesn't change the fact that we, portuguese, value our freedom of expression because from 1926 to 1974 Portugal was under a dictatorship that imprisoned, tortured and killed people whose sin was to express their opinions/beliefs. Compared to that Van Basten's "hate speech" is absolutely meaningless. Hurray for freedom of expression.
@Imalwaysright what does Portugal have to do with anything? lol German's are the ones that put the most stringent laws regarding hate speech because they,Hitler, used words to motivate people to kill millions. it's as simple as that. Portugal? lol i don't understand? Canada has the rights to free speech, but i would never walk around and use words that i know have a painful history for some. that would just be ignorant. if i did, my employer would have the right to fire me because of the damage it would do to the company. this shouldn't be a discussion. he even knew as soon as he said it he had to say sorry right away. you live you learn
sampsonon Why don't you read the comments of the people I'm replying to instead of asking stupid questions?
Laws against giving the Nazi salute or displaying Nazi symbols were passed shortly after the end of the Second World War. Giving the Nazi salute in Germany could result in a six-month prison sentence. In 2011 a 30-year-old Canadian tourist was arrested after he was photographed giving the Nazi salute outside the Reichstag, the German parliament building, in Berlin. He got off with a fine and several hours in police custody. So No it's not some pathetic EA shit per usual. #Know your History
He didn't do a Nazi salute though, he just said "Sieg Heil" which means "Hail Victory" in German. #readthearticle
Lol I know dude... that has nothing to do with what I asked or what EA did. I’m asking about context from a German person, not obvious history. If it was some American baseball player walking down the street with a tiki torch saying seig heil then I would agree that’s a bit much. It’s not, it’s a couple Germans talking. I’m asking if it’s common for Germans to say that. EA removing him because of some triggered asshat with no context is pathetic EA per usual.
I'm german and no it isn't common to say that. It is actually forbidden here to say "Sieg Heil" and the Nazi salute too.
@2pac "Today in Germany, Nazi salutes in written form, vocally, and even straight-extending the right arm as a saluting gesture (with or without the phrase), are illegal. The offence is punishable by up to three years in prison (Strafgesetzbuch section 86a)." Key part, even vocally...
@pitbull Forbidden how? Legally, culturally, both? The salute is obvious, the flag is historical and should be shown in context or entertainment. Banning “safe victory” because the Nazis said it is a bit naziish to me. Ruining somebody for it seems over the top. Or any legally or culturally forbidden words for that matter, I reject the premise. That’s fascist behavior. Safe victory to Hong Kong.
That's the result of losing wars, the victor will constitute the laws. But I've been in germany few times, they are respectful strong willed people.
@2pacalypse to claim that when he said "sieg heil" it was a literal use of "hail victory" is laughable. He, and everyone knows the significance of that phrase and the context in which it has been historically used, especially in Germany. To attempt to say different is obtuseness on a whole new level.
@2pacqlypsenow Are you going to pretend to be that stupid? "Hail victory" is a phrase rarely heard outside of Nazi circles, especially so in Germany. This isnt the sort of phrase you casually stumble upon in random conversation. I amazed that you're arguing the phrase has no historical context, and then saying "#readthearticle" as though theres some conspiracy.
Lol German confirms that phrase is culturally unacceptable then Smokehouse mansplains why it isn't as if he knows better. go back to your cave you cuck
@thegoodestboy LOL Yes I asked a German for perspective. If I wanted to know what is “culturally appropriate” from somebody that says “mansplain” I would have asked you. I wouldn’t much care what you had to say. He said it was forbidden, I asked him to elaborate. He did not. I then continued to explain why I, as an American, wouldn’t have to justify saying “hail victory” to a dingy hippy like you. “Hail Victory” is in my nfl home teams anthem lmao. Hail to the redskins, hail victory, braves on a warpath, fight for old DC. Why would you tie hail victory to the fucking Nazis? They got their asses kicked, it doesn’t even make sense. It’s a common phrase. Hence why I would be curious enough to ask somebody. Preferably someone in Germany and not a random dirtball fresh out of protest.
"Late last month, van Basten served as an analyst for Dutch Fox Sports, and during an interview with a German coach, van Basten said, “Sieg Heil” on air." He went full Nazi on TV and then tried to backtrack. What he did is illegal in Germany... Don't try to sugar coat it. "Today in Germany, Nazi salutes in written form, vocally, and even straight-extending the right arm as a saluting gesture (with or without the phrase), are illegal. The offence is punishable by up to three years in prison (Strafgesetzbuch section 86a)."
Well that explains it, he thought he was on Fox news where white nationalist have a platform and where bigots and fascist are able to keep their jobs.
No. but it is banned in Germany. I remember back in the day Wolfenstein was banned in Germany because it depicted swastikas (on the villains side of course). He's not a kid. He should know better to not make those kind of jokes in public... He is a public figure, which comes with a lot of benefits but also some responsabilities, and so he has to deal with public consequences. If I did some pathetic attempt of a joke like that among my friends at a party, nothing would happen (except perhaps people thinking "what an ass") Best 9 Forward I ever saw, exquisite. Better than Ronaldo
Lol too soon? Nobody gives a shit about Nazis anymore here. People don’t even remember what that Nazis were. It’s just a phrase you throw around as you assault people minding their own business.
@Smoke I don't think that's true. Most people may not express concern about it because we're not subjected to it, but most people are informed well enough about who the Nazi's are, and what they did back in the day. They probably aren't as informed as the generations of the past, but I don't know of any place where Nazism is just some forgotten aspect of a bygone past. The nazis of today, or those that call themselves that, don't really stand for all the political and social aspects of it, and it's just turned into another hate group. The nature of the phrase itself is one of those things which is still tied to nazism...particularly when said in the way the nazis said it during demonstrations....of which I'm sure everyone would know if they heard it. Of course, context is sometimes key, and if said as a joke, the only reasonable conclusion is that they understood the context of the term as it's attached to Nazism, because otherwise, it's not really much of a joke.
&rain It’s generational sure. 2020 US couldn’t give a shit less about 2020 Germany’s symbol laws from WW2 lol. I didn’t say it was forgotten I said nobody gives a shit. Besides the people who casually shout nazi because they lack the intelligence to justify their hatred for something. The new Nazis are ISIS in terms of pure evil. Nazis don’t exist anymore, they were defeated almost a century ago. You can’t compare Nazi germany to a prison gang. I’m sure the Nazis said a bunch of German shit lol. It’s hail victory not hail hitler with a boot click salute. I dunno, it seems a bit much to me. I don’t know if he was joking, That comment I responded to said he was. We still don’t know the context of the joke if he was. It opens up a new can of worms. What was that a response to? He’s talking to a German soccer coach. Is the coach a shouting douche? Was his comb over flopping around while he yelled at his players? Was he calling the coach a Nazi? Was he wishing him luck and swift victories? The article doesn’t say much besides he got fired and vaporized from EA products for saying Sieg heil. The phrase “to victory” is as old as war and competition itself in all languages. I’m okay with the phrase In all languages and I’m okay with a joke. Would like to know the context of the joke though lol
Not giving a sh*t doesn't mean that one can't respect the laws that they have. I also feel that the historical and contextual meaning of it is still pretty much very well understood. In many things of this nature, I feel context is very important, and if he were saying it as a sardonic way to mimic the Nazi rally cry, then it's inappropriate due to the nature of what it represents. Does it make him a terrible person, or evil? I couldn't say in this situation. But it seems like he understood what he said and it's meaning pretty quick so he obviously understood it's context and that it would offend people. Nazi's were an established political group, and you are right, they have been dissolved for over half a century. But, there are those who still cling onto portions of what it stood for, and those are the one's who only use it as a crutch because they don't even seem to understand the political aspects of the party, and only want to perpetuate the hate that they stood for, which is why they're not really worthy of being listened to IMO...but I digress. I think he said it as a joke, because he did quickly apoligize, and seemed to be in a good humor at the time. I don't think it's right that people get their lives torn apart because they make a mistake. If they make continuous mistakes or are problematic, then that's a different story. Companies though will react to social media outcry, because they themselves don't want to be potentially associated with such things. Those that want to act important know this, and use the system to get what they want and feel like they're doing something meaningful, when really, they're just being a**holes themselves.
Why would EA want to be associated with a person like this? I am glad they have the freedom to do what they did.
A person like this? We don’t even have a sentence of the conversation it was used in lol. What kind of person is he? Somebody who says hail victory in the context of German soccer? Who gives a shit? You and EA apparently lol. Yeah I agree, capitalism is fantastic.
Yes here in germany the use of the phrase sieg heil is seen as the use of a symbol of an unconstitutional group. In theory it can be punished by having to pay a fee or even spending up to 3 years time in prison. Our law also punishes the denying of the holocaust btw. Nationalsocialism is still a touchy subject in germany. The use of these symbols are only allowed for use in art like movies and (since 2018) in games and in history teaching like documentaries, school subjects etc. But it is not allowed to wear national socialistic symbols like the infamous swastika, ss runes or even altered symbols used by forbidden skinhead/ neo nazi groups
That’s crazy. Who would deny the Holocaust? Besides the New York Times. Yeah I remember when they finally stopped shitting on games.
How about EA lower the price of EA access on PS4 as it's a total joke in comparison to Xbox and PC. I understand the PS4 isn't backwards compatible with the PS3 but the price should still be lower if that's the case has the selection of games is very poor
I bet they wouldn't remove Ronaldo and Messi if they both said something like this.
They actually removed Ronaldo after he was accused of rape, that turned out to be false.
Wow your usually better than that you failed, just cause what I posted does not physically call out speech, don't play dumb. #Know your History
@KickSpinFilter wtf are you talking about?
what? Thought we should "believe women"?
Any them players said that they would lose there sponsorship deals, add to that the stigma as being a nazi supporter. I believe they can have honours retracted aswell and if they did it in Germany they would face the same punishment as anyone else.
Let's remove everyone for saying something stupid. Is this the game we want to play? Really?
Welcome to 2019.
Saying something illegal / considered hate speech in several countries, where you can actually go to prison for it? Yes, it's very stupid...
If you're high profile and are using them to sell your product... yeah. That's not new. It's called marketing.
A certain type of people I'm not going to say which people love to say stupid things without consequences. Especially men of this type of people.
Americans it's Americans right?
”...during an interview with a German coach, van Basten said, ’Sieg Heil’ on air. He quickly apologized for the comment, which he said was ’stupid and inappropriate.’” We must wipe him from existence! ”EA has finally followed suit and removed all mention of him from FIFA 20. Players will no longer be able to obtain Marco van Basten cards from packs, squad building challenges, and FUT Draft.” Yes! It’s as if he never existed. Sure he said one harmless thing and immediately apologized, but this is 2019. No forgiveness. If we find one inappropriate thing you said 30 years ago in your high school yearbook, we will destroy your life!
Harmless? It has the potential to cost corporations millions in sponsorship deals. You consider the loss of millions to be harmless? You must live a very cushy life.
Lots of exclamation use there. You okay? He's not being wiped from existence, he's being removed from a single game owned by a private company that can remove people as they see fit.
F em'. Too many ignorant people in this world. Your words have consequences. If you're not smart enough to have figured that out by the time you reach this old farts age, you deserve the misery.
Yeah words kill /sarcasm.
"He sounds like an incel." Give him a break, its tough being a snowflake these days.
I guess you're one of the poor ignorant nobodies who doesn't pay attention to the news....words have always killed, throughout history, and into the present day. It happens when you have easily mislead dopes, such as yourself, who parrot back diatribes of lonely, pathetic, hateful little men. Look at all the poor critters who trumpet Trump's own words, "lock her up", or calling Mexican immigrants "dirty" or "terrorists" or "rapists"...then seeing those same unhinged folks shoot up a church, synagogue, shopping center, etc. parroting those same words in their online "manifestos". Wake up loser. Funny thing though....the pathetic sad sacks like Trump never seem to call white males terrorists when they kill masses of people in these shootings. Funny that. Typical.
I don’t understand the context in that culture but even by his admission it was a stupid thing to say. So even he believes it was inappropriate but I can’t understand the nuance. I mean freedom of speech starts to fall in the priority list after two world wars are started by the Nazi, so maybe we have to have this to stop another slow creep that gets the nazi to try a third time? Hard for me without more context.
Only the second world war was started by the Nazis, not the first.
Technically it started when Japan invaded China but it didn’t become a global conflict until Germany invaded Poland.
The Nazis didn’t exist in WW1 dude....WW1 wasn’t the Germans fault. They were dragged into it due to their alliance Austria. Jesus. Learn your history before spouting shit. Yea I ain’t taking a freedom of speech opinion who doesn’t know basic facts about a subject they’re using as ammunition to restrict speech. No thanks. You do understand a huge part of the Nazi rise to power was RESTRICTING speech and burning books right? When you restrict speech it breeds hatred.
Remember when ronaldo was in court for rape?
"Then in October came American ex-model Kathryn Mayorga’s shocking allegations of rape against the footballer. Shortly after the allegations, EA Sports temporarily removed the image of Ronaldo from their website and social media pages. However it did not take long for Ronaldo to return as the cover star of the latest edition of the long-running football game series. But just a few days ago, EA Sports removed the Portuguese star from the game’s cover, replacing him with Neymar, Kevin De Bruyne and Paulo Dybala. The new cover of FIFA 19 featuring Kevin De Bruyne, Neymar and Paulo Dybala. And the game developer has even gone as far as to remove Ronaldo as the cover star within the game itself, replacing him with US footballer, Alex Morgan." And he got removed from the cover and game... Try a little harder...
"And he got removed from the cover and game... Try a little harder..." Just the cover, he was never removed from the actual game, too big for that.
I can't believe he'd say such a thing - in public lmao. Doesn't he know its current year? Soon to be new current year?
Clown decade here we come!
You can't say bomb on a plane. Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb de bomb bomb. What if you were a bombardier. Meet the Parents.
People should be aware of what they say.
When did politics affect games? Imagine if EA had to remove all players that said/did something racist/sexist/mysogynistic they would be no game left other than a few non-league players to get in gold packs. By all means what he did was wrong, but so many footballers have done wrong things. If your going by that standard, remove all players that make a mistake, and see what game your left with.
nazis are slimy assholes
Hahaha well that was easily avoided by not randomly blurting nazi phrases?! How dense fog you have to be to do something like this. 😂
why would you even do that. as a half austrian half english bloke, even i take offence and think this is beyond stupid. ESPECIALLY if you grew up in the same country WW2 started. idiot.
For starters, "Van Basten believed he wasn’t on air, and in an attempt to make fun of Kraay’s poor grasp of the German language, he said: “Not too pretty, sieg heil, pfannkuchen.” [“Pfannkuchen” means “Pancake” in German] The Dutchman later apologized further, explaining the meaning of what he defined as an “ill-placed joke.” “I didn’t mean to shock people, I just wanted to ridicule Hans’ German, but I’m sorry.” He later added: "Life is like football. Sometimes you score, sometimes you miss. But if you miss, that does not mean that you are a bad person." Fox Sports described the pundit's comments as "stupid and inappropriate", suspending the former striker until Saturday 7 December. The broadcaster added that Van Basten "did not want to hurt anyone deliberately, apologised and accepted the consequences." Make of this what you will. Secondly, "We have an expectation that our commitment to equality and diversity is upheld across our game," an EA Statement read. I understand that it's EA's licence and game; they're free to do what they want with it, but what does this bullshit have to do with anything?!
pc culture is cancer and anyone notice it only applies a certain race and gender over all....
Good He's clearly a POS Look at these losers in here mad the nazi got rekt lmao.