I Feel Like I’m Already Using PS5 And Xbox Scarlett’s Most Exciting Feature

Forbes: “I worried that I might get smug as I began my transition to playing games primarily on PC, and it is, indeed, a constant battle. But using an SSD makes me feel like I've already got PS5 and Xbox Scarlett's best feature.”

[Nyxus]

Their best feature will be the games.

[Jimboms]

Agreed.

[UltraNova]

..and those games will be played locally, latency free and uncompressed! Joy!

[UltraNova]

@captain

Upset for what, being able to play locally with the aid of a super fast SSD further reducing latency?

At least I added to Nyxus's comment, what did you add other than showing your sensitivity when I comment?

[fiveby9]

I think there is more to it than just running an SSD in the existing systems to say you're running that feature. Likely faster bus speeds ( PCIe versus SATA ) & prefetch cache which are not available to storage on current consoles. An NVMe drive in a pc is considerably faster than a regular SATA3 based SSD.

[FPS_D3TH]

Undoubtedly the best optimization available as well

[Exvalos]

Was going to say this but you nailed it.

[Bleucrunch]

how are folks disagreeing with your post? It's the right answer.

[KickSpinFilter]

As always...

[starchild]

Yeah, but PC has those too.

[Soulrakk]

ding ding ding... Tell them what they won, Johnny!

[zodiac909]

WHO are the morons that Disagreed with your statement?! It ALWAYS has been about the games, no matter the hardware.

[UltraNova]

Those who worship corporations and their plans for robbing us of any ownership. The same people who play services, not games.

[SolidGamerX]

Congratulations, doesn't make them any less beneficial for the next generation of consoles.

[Fishy Fingers]

Hopefully when they say SSDs they'll actually use m.2 as I saw a bigger improvement moving from SSD than I did HDD to SSD.

[Pricey]

You need to get your eyes checked then

[Fishy Fingers]

Eyes? Do you know what hard drives do? M.2 has much better read/write speeds

[UltraNova]

Fishy,

Well, Sony at least did claim they'll equip the ps5 with the worlds fastest SSD so I guess its safe to assume that it will be a custom M.2 variant.

[Giblet_Head]

Ha. Not at their current price point.

[SegaGamer]

@Fishy Fingers
That is complete nonsense. The difference between an M.2 and SSD in loading times is a second or two. The difference between an SSD and HDD is anything between 20 seconds to a full minute.

[Fishy Fingers]

Personal experience aside (because obviously I'm lying and would want a slower SSD on my next gen wishlist). Numbers dont lie:

A typical 7200 RPM HDD will deliver a read/write speed of 80-160MB/s. On the other hand, a typical SSD will deliver read/write speed of between 200 MB/s to 550 - roughky 3x4 times faster

M.2 drive provides read/write speeds of up to 3,500 MB/s - roughty 4x6 times faster than SSD

All I'm suggesting is it's a nice to have.

[Giblet_Head]

@Fishy Fingers Those read/write speeds between SATA SSD and M.2 don't mean much in terms of gaming, the difference is with moving and accessing large files at a faster read/write speed. It's why most people use M.2 drives for installing their operating systems on. The impact they have on gaming is negligible when given the application within games and the practicality of a SATA SSD that can easily be installed or removed much like an HDD.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Fishy Fingers]

I appreciate that and we can argue over scenarios for or against. I was literally saying if they are including SSD it would be nice if they were the faster variant available.

[DarkZane]

Sorry, but the difference between M.2 and SSD is much bigger than SSD and HDD, even for gaming. SSD was nice back then when M.2 didn't exist, but the boost in speed you get from SSD compared to HDD is negligible compared to what you get with a M.2.

In fact, if you're still using a HDD or a normal SSD in your computer for games, applications or the OS, you're doing it wrong. You need to have only M.2 drives now. I have 1 TB M.2 drive and 2 TB M.2 drive and I wouldn't go back. I also have a 4TB HDD, but that's only for the huge amount of music and movies I have, which M.2 or SDD drives won't make a difference.

[ABizzel1]

@Dark

As the other said, the difference is not there, and that's one of the reasons these companies are banking on faster PCI 4 Express slots to hopefully enhance speed in other applications besides file transfer (the only area M.2 currently blows the competition away).

But in gaming, boot times, etc... the difference is negligible and down to maybe a couple of seconds at best. The interesting news is the new consoles are extremely likely to be using motherboards with said PCI 4E, so if they are using M.2 drives, then it could in theory offer even better speeds than most game PCs as far as load times, since PCI-4E adoption rate will just start picking up in programs sometime in 2020, and become more mainstream into 2020 - 2021.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Visceral89]

A sata ssd is a BIG jump over a HDD, but sata ssd's max out at 550mb write times which when downloading a 100gb file can still make your pc run super slow do to high disk usage, with a 970 pro m.2 like I have, you can download a 100gb game and still do other tasks on your pc without a problem.

[dragonopt1]

I agree 100%, I've always used SSD since they came out and my friend said I'd see a jump going to a M.2.
I was disappointed, it's not really noticeable at all.

[ActualWhiteMan]

Not M.2 but NVME. M.2 isn’t much of a jump over SATA.

But NVME... THAT is the game changer.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Bigger improvement from SSD to m.2 than HDD to SSD? You surely had a bad egg or a pos supplier.

[Poopmist]

Go use a Windows 10 laptop with a HDD for 20 minutes and say that again

[Hurfs]

Really, game wise I see around a second better loading times with my NVME drive's over my SSD's were as HHD to SSD was around 15 to 30 seconds faster. The problem is the CPU's just can't run software as fast as the NVME can send it. I don't have a bad PC before you ask 1700x with a 5700xt and 5 drive, two ssd two NVME and a HHD back up drive.

And it should be noted M.2 is just a connector you can put a mSATA drive in it as well, they have two cut outs on the connector were as NVME drives have one.

[milohighclub]

Yh you're not.

[gamer7804]

agreed with this article, I hope there is more up their sleeves than SSD's loading times and bumping frame rates up to 60. (well now 4k & 60 if on a ps pro). While those are nice features, it doesn't really excite me.

[DarXyde]

Based on what we've been told about the controller, that in itself sounds pretty awesome.

[LightofDarkness]

There are some amazing console only games that are often disappointingly hamstrung by resolution, framerate and load times. Now you can play those games with comparable fidelity to the PCs of today. The only thing I'd really want to see is much higher framerate (100+), but they're only now focusing on getting games to 60 it seems, which is still a welcome step above the horrid 30fps limit we usually see.

[Profchaos]

I'm a console and PC player also with the same type of drive in the article it's a game changer in some regards for example an area of outer worlds can load in a few seconds however the games are not yet written exclusively for these drives like they will be next gen.

Sony has hinted that the amount of asset duplication required in current games will no longer be needed as they no longer have to make sure a sector is read for an asset at that moment in time.

I'm already a SSD user in console also I have a 1tb in my pa pro and in most games it allows for a boost already not to the level of PC M.2 drives but loading a area of fallout 4 was 45 seconds on my mechanical drive vs 11 seconds on SSD. Also rdr 2 loads incredibly fast and after playing the new modern warfare if you die in the campaign you see a quote flash up but the game loads so quick infant read what it says in time.

[Magog]

My understanding is that the SSD will be built right onto the circuit board so it will be faster than a coomon SSD on PC.

[LightofDarkness]

They've already said it will be a custom PCI-E 4 SSD, so it could be be about 4000MB/s - 6000MB/s. Building it into the circuit board would offer no real advantage vs using an M.2 NVMe slot, as it will still have to use a common supported bus (PCI-E 4) for compatibility. It's faster than any PCI-E 3 SSD, but v4 SSDs are already on the market. By the time it launches, they'll be a little more common.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

GamePass going to be so tasty on Xbox Next

[PhoenixUp]

https://m.youtube.com/watch...

[Smokehouse]

Breaking news from Forbes. They found a PC.

[bluefox755]

If you've held off on SSDs because of price, then I'd say reconsider, the prices have dropped like a rock, you can now easily get a 1TB ssd for well under $100.

[NiteX]

I've been having a 2TB SSD for a while now in my PC, but games today don't take true advantage of it, unless of course you have been playing Star Citizen. You still will have to wait for PS5/Xbox S games to come to PC to have that full use of that SSD.

[Noctis]

This^
Games currently aren't made with SSD support in mind, all an SSD does right now is making a game load faster but next gen that will change and every aspect of the game will benefit from the higher transfer rate.

[isarai]

Big difference is in a console, games can be designed around the inclusion of SSDs, as devs know every console will have one. So you can do things like increase the speed at which you can possibly travel (like having faster jets in GTA or faster swinging in spiderman), add tons more variety to a single area rather than having to load a seperate area cause the biomes are too different (picture dragon age inquisition or witcher 3 without having to load seperate regions) among other interesting things. Cant wait to see what next gen brings.

[boing1]

No, you are not.

[Tross]

You’re already playing PS5/Scarlett exclusives? Wow, you must be a time traveler.

[Miacosa]

Fake news as the full spec of SSD speeds are not realized on a PS4 to the same degree as its not optimized. Also PS5 will implement an NVME type drive that has a bandwidth higher than any SSD at least according to Mark Cerny.

[rainslacker]

Forbes is worried they might get smug?

Well forbes writer, no need to worry about that, you've been smug for years already, so no danger in becoming something your not.

More on topic, the way ssd is being implemented in the new consoles is not like it is with just having it as a storage solution. Its acting as a high speed virtual memory, which allows for a lot of fast loading of textures, which can make worlds bigger, or allow for more occlusion culling. It can also be used for extensive AI database management. It can be used for added animations and scripts to be hot loaded into any object which allows for a massive number of branching possibilities.

Current consoles dont do that, because they cant code games for that because not everyone has ssd. Even on pc, where sad isnt uncommon, no game takes advantage of it, because it requires different types of game loop algorithms, which essentially means building a whole different game. One cool thing about consoles doing it, it means that pc builds may also have that option included for pc gamers.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

It's not their most exciting feature. Stop regurgitating obvious marketing speak, forbes. Matter of fact, stop reporting on gaming.

[mastershredder]

Forbes strikes again.
Superficial association banter. Kids can write like this.

[Artemidorus]

SSD is definitely a requirement since we are at the early stages of the 8K timeline.

[sampsonon]

PS5 for the exclusives.