Who'd have thought that one day, Microsoft might be a leading RPG mega-publisher?
BioWare, and Bethesda aren't nearly as good as they used to be, so there's a good chance they would.
They already are. Outerworlds is better than Mass Effect and Fallout.
That's not saying very much though...
Definitely not better than Mass Effect. No rpg is.
I don't think it's necessarily better than Fallout 3. I think Obsidian has a real shot at becoming the 'true' Fallout developer and Microsoft the true publisher by making better Fallout type games. It could happen - we'll have to see. Hopefully Microsoft supports the hell out of Obsidian, and doesn't encourage monetization in their games. If Microsoft just backs them and lets them do their thing, Obsidian can do great things.
@ atticus those games are top 5 in the wrpg genre. How is that not saying much. Mass Effecf 2 is overrated and then the series became a shooter.
Dude, Outerworlds is no way better than Fallout!
"Definitely not better than Mass Effect. No rpg is." 🤔
Fallout is single handily the most overrated game series of all time. The concept is great but the gameplay, the animations, the graphics, the glitches, the performance on console was non excusable even last generation. The two Fallout games of this gen were bad as well. Its just a shame it took up until this generation to open their eyes.
Agreed Fallout 3 is one of the most overrated games ever. A bunch of repetitive missions in a generic sandbox world. With mediocre graphics.
@Mike Because those 2 developers are at their lowest point they've ever been. Almost any RPG is going to be better than Fallout76 or ME Andromeda.
Yea but I’m implying Outerworlds is better than prime Mass Effect and Fallout.
"Definitely not better than Mass Effect. No rpg is." I know people hates bioware and bethesda now, but saying that the outerworlds is better than the first 3 mass effect and skyrim or even fallout 3 is pure fanboyism.
Ya it Is better than fallout and mass effect, but not skyrim.
I never realized they obtained king like status. Maybe knight status. Bioware maybe more than Bethesda, but they've been on the down slope. And maybe XGS can replace them, but I doubt it. MS is going to be more service oriented going forward, and chances are, their game designs are going to center around such things. Obsidian is a good studio. Obviously Outer Worlds is doing well. But, while a solid studio, they aren't on the same level as what Bioware was once capable of, nor are they anywhere close to the level of recognition that Bethesda has achieved with their RPG's.
Lol @ your metrics. Knights? If you're not aware of the adoration for Bethesda's pre-Fallout 4 games, I honestly don't know where you've been all these years.
I'm aware of what bethesda has released through the years. Their competition pre-fallout was generally always better than they were. I only use Knights, because the author gave them royalty status through some divine providence which hasn't existed in years.
I think the point of the article is to highlight that all of those RPGs will be under one umbrella - not that any of these seperate studios top Bethesda/Bioware on their own. If you had told me two years ago that MS had a chance to be one of the most prolific rpg publishers next gen, I'd have laughed at you. Just in defense of Obsidian, they not only made the best modern Fallout, they also now have a Fallout-killer under their belts. Still the best comedic game in Stick of Truth, too (one of the best licensed games as well) As the article mentions, games like PoE, Wasteland, and Bards Tale are perfect for game pass. Not sure where the "services" concern comes from all the time. If anything, you'd think people would say that about Bethesda. The typical inxile and Obsidian game will likely never get the mass appeal of a blockbuster, but they're very well situated to grow their niche by lowering the cost of entry through gp. If MS was interested in just pumping out GaaS, they probably should not have bought studios that never made GaaS games... Also they mention Playground, which I suppose has potential to deliver that big-budget RPG. I'm excited for the diversity we can see developing and the emphasis on RPGs especially from MS here. They still need a couple of those heavy-narrative 3rd person action games. As it is, I can't complain about their known focuses so far.
The irony is xbox made moves to broaden themselves by making all these recent developer acquisitions. They are definitely putting more attention on genres different from their usual money makers which were online MP games. To hail them as king of rpgs is strange because their track record hasnt been established and it is way too early to tell. Not only that, there are so many subgenres in rpgs, i.e. arpgs, turn based, stategy rpgs, rts rpgs,... Not even knight status for me. Maybe squire to hopefully move up the ranks.
@rainslacker "MS is going to be more service oriented going forward, and chances are, their game designs are going to center around such things." I like you to be more specific on what you´re talking about, like; how exactly you know that Age of Empires, Flight Simulator 2020, The Insight Project, The New RPG from Playground, The new IP from The Initiative, The new RPG/IP (already in development) from Obsidian and RARE´s new IP to cite a few, is gonna be service oriented? "Obsidian is a good studio. Obviously Outer Worlds is doing well. But, while a solid studio, they aren't on the same level as what Bioware was once capable of, nor are they anywhere close to the level of recognition that Bethesda has achieved with their RPG's." Now they gonna have all the real AAA treatmment they deserve! They will not be restricted by time, money, resources, technology or manpower.
@Atom That's a fair point. Taken all together, then yeah, they could be pretty high up there when it comes to RPG output. @Fist Yeah, I agree. They are broadening their scope, which is good and what most people say they should. I was speaking more about the immediate future, and this notion that the media has to attribute success to something that hasn't happened yet. @Obscure Do I need to be more specific? MS has said they want to move more towards GaaS, and that entails breaking games up into a service model. While that can work for RPG's, it tends to dilute the way they're released into something more akin to a bunch of DLC packs around a base game. Sorry, but MS hasn't proven itself yet to do something different, and i don't really care to get into a discussion about how they are definitely doing one thing or another based on assumption on both sides. MS said what they wanted, and there are only so many paths that can take. One of those paths isn't releasing games with the scope of Bioware and Bethesda(actual RPG's they're pretty good at) games, and then having DLC every once in a while. Service models require some sort of service, and it's not overly common that people stay engaged with games for the long term for the heck of it. Even with all these people saying they put in 200 hours to Skyrim, that is not the norm. "Now they gonna have all the real AAA treatmment they deserve! They will not be restricted by time, money, resources, technology or manpower." I hope your right. Their higher profile games are usually pretty good. Even their mid-tier, or slightly above mid-tier games are usually pretty good.
@rainslacker "Do I need to be more specific? MS has said they want to move more towards GaaS, and that entails breaking games up into a service model. While that can work for RPG's, it tends to dilute the way they're released into something more akin to a bunch of DLC packs around a base game." Oh, come on now. Since when to release DLC around the base game has become a bad thing?
It's not a bad thing. So long as the base game is solid and what most would consider complete.
I don't know, but I'm very excited for Wasteland 3, and OW has been a great surprise. With Obsidian and inXile both hiring for new IPs, I'm certainly more interested in XGS future rpg offerings more so than Bioware. I still have hope for Bethesda, but it's waning.
Yes, Obsidian...yes, InXile...but also Playground...their RPG is going to have a lot of eyes on it.
That worries me a bit, but I'm impressed by them. They seem very confident and eager to take that next step in their growth.
A lot of pressure and scrutiny on that title. People will have a lot of expectations on a new team like that. If they're making Fable, it's even more pressure. I think they're up for the challenge, though.
I see. And somewhat agree. I have complete faith in Playground. They are certainly the kings now of racers in terms of quality and depth...I think they can do the same for RPGs.
RPG kings..do you mean Square enix and Atlus?
"RPG kings..do you mean Square enix and Atlus?" i wouldnt put square in that category...THey lost that privlege a while ago, they have a lot to prove with the FFVII remake.