What happens to the Switch once it’s no longer the newest kid on the block?
Like they always have, with their stellar exclusives. Dont need super powerful consoles to make fun games, and focusing on fun factor is what Nintendo does best.
Yah. Not to mention Sony (ps5) has a different overall game plan than Nintendo and it’s been that way for a long time.
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Western 3rd party support will dry up (outside of mobile ports), but they will still have strong Japanese 3rd party support and First Party exclusives which will easily carry the system throughout the rest of its lifecycle. Two very different primary audiences here.
“ And censoring games is another one of there game plans which I’m not going to accept..” No censoring that I’ve ever noticed. Sony proudly shows off M rated material like TLOU 2.
What do you mean like they always have? Of their last 4 consoles, only 1 was competitive. The N64, GameCube, and WiiU were not very competitive (not saying they were bad consoles). The Switch is doing amazing, but I don’t consider it a console but rather a very powerful handheld that can output games on a TV. I honestly don’t think it’s fair to compare the Switch to current consoles, so forget about comparing them to next gen consoles. You buy a Switch for Nintendo exclusives and/or to play games while mobile. You buy a PS4/Xbox One for their exclusives and/or play third party games (or just higher quality games in general). Two different demographics in my opinion, so pointless comparing them.
yeah, and they're still here, how so? by doing what i said. they may not be a big hitter when it comes to home consoles (except the NES and Wii) but they have just as much presence in the eye of consumers.
Being around and being competitive are two different things. They are still around because they are profitable. You can be profitable without being competitive, mainly by keeping operating expenses low. Something Nintendo is very good at considering what goes into their systems are usually behind the curve which saves them money; most their games don't have high production cost since they only have to be fun and not technically advanced in anyway; God knows what little money they spent on their online services and infrastructure. Fortunately for them their handhelds sell really good, and their consumer base doesn't seem to care what they do or don't do.
Exclusives is not the answer. The PlayStation brand has an impressive catalogue of AAA exclusives and yet people is buying the Switch - for what? To play Zelda and Mario? The Switch is attractive because is portable. Remove the portable factor and watch it sink like a rock in a pond. Sony and Nintendo are aiming at different markets. The Switch should not be worried for the release of the PS5.
I'd say it's both, portability and exclusives. And yes, I bought mine to play BotW and Mario Odyssey. Somehow my library has grown since however...
I'm sorry but people are buying Switch because Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, and Animal Crossing. It is so popular that 3rd party publishers want to be on that money train. Games will always sell the hardware, not the other way around.
I respect all your comments and opinions, but the Wii U will disagree with you. Zelda BOTW achieved mainstream popularity on the Switch, but the game was originally released on the Wii U and flew under the radar for a while. I own a Switch and I love it, but not because of the games - because is a really good portable gaming system. Do you believe the Switch could compete with the big boys as a home system? - the Wii U disagree with you.
Dude, BOTW was released at the same time on Wii U and Switch. Your post implies it was released on Wii U first and that nobody cared about it until the Switch version was released, which isn't true at all. Both games were released on the Switch's launch day. And of course the majority of people bought the Switch version, just like the majority of people bought the Wii version of Zelda Twilight Princess over the GameCube one.
This is true they compete alone if switch wasnt portable it wouldnr sell 10 mill
3DS beat Vita, despite both being portable. Vita was significantly more powerful, and could play games comparable to the consoles. Vita obviously had some issues with the way it was released, but the reason that Vita struggled most was because of the games on it. Not that it didn't have any games, but because it didn't have enough of the right games to attract players to it. Same way the PSP struggled at first until they finally got some major games on the system to attract people's attention. Nintendo portables tend to do very well, and beyond them having a strong hold on the portable market historically, they support the portables with good software, and get good support from 3rd party, so people want to buy them for those games. In short....games are how they compete.
The Wii U was that but it failed miserably after the PS4 and XB1 came out.
Yep, and you're getting disagrees from fanboys of other systems here, but the truth of the matter is exactly how you put it. This reliance on more and more powerful hardware...to do what exactly? Take 8 years to make a game to take advantage of it, and then shovel in grinding loot box bollocks to rake back the production costs? I'm currently playing through Ocarina of Time for the first time since it came out, and lo and behold, that game still stands up. A game over 20 years old. Older than most of the idiots giving you downvotes, for sure.
They can't , the Switch from the day that was release was already an archaic device but that thing sold very good for one sole reason it was because Zelda came along with it and this impulse their sales and fad advertisement make the Switch to be popular, next year the real gaming console will have its successor and like all new generation start up all developers will follow with him, developers want more freedom to develop their games so why would they want to keep developing for a device with so many constraint like the Switch has.
Dont forget that most likely when the PS5 and Next Xbox get release Nintendo will just release the Zelda BOTW sequel and soon after the Next Mario and Metroid Prime 4 this Will suffice Nintendo until the end of 2021 when the Next generarion of Nintendo hardware Will come to get the ports of the Next generarion games that this version of the Switch can not handle and new Next generarion games too.And Im not even mentioning Bayonneta 3 and other exclusives that Nintendo has in Order to keep the Switch momento until Nintendo Next generarion hardware or Switch 2 if you like to call it.
Don't forget Bayonetta 3, No More Heroes 3 and Animal Crossing
I’m gonna laugh in your face when the Switch outsells the PS5 🤣😂
When is that going to happen? On release? Lifetime? A few months a year? Sony will obliterate Nintendo.
Dreams of the delusional nintentional 🤣😂🤣
It really isn't an archaic device for what it is doing. It was NEVER meant to compete graphically with XB1/PS4. It is publishers decisions to try to shoehorn games meant for XB1/PS4 onto the Switch. When making a game for the Switch only, developers use its power capabilities. It is selling like gangbusters because it pulled off being a great system that for the first time connects to your TV very easily and seamlessly with the docking station. It is simply an option, but people like the possibility even if fewer use it than mobile. Their exclusive games don't really sell hardware. Look to the N64, GameCube, Wii U if you need proof. The Wii sold because of its niche, or gimmick, with the remote... Again not exclusives.
If what you are saying was true, the Switch's sales would have dropped off a cliff a few months after release, because Zelda alone can't sustain it. Yet we're 2 and a half years after launch, and the system keeps selling like hotcakes. So you are wrong.
Switch has already established itself as a secondary console to even owners of PlayStation and Xbox, so they don’t have much to worry about. It’s not either or for everyone, Switch can easily coexist with PS5 & Xbox Scarlett like it’s done with PS4 & Xbox One so far
“ Switch has already established itself as a secondary console“ I think only a few people here including yourself consider the Switch that way.
Nah, the point is legitimate. Sure there are people who have a Switch as their primary, but it’s most likely because they are young kids or money is tight. I have a Switch and I love it, but I’m not buying new games for it if they are on either ps4 or Xbox. No matter how big a fan you are of Nintendo you have to admit the console just can’t handle what the others can. My Switch had trouble with Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. I find it laughable they even bothered with Witcher 3.
It's a secondary console for me, but I'm sure there are those that use it as a primary. The only one's I know personally that have it as a primary are some of my cousins kids. But I tend to socialize with gaming stuff with people who are multi-console owners, and generally wouldn't find the Switch's library suitable for providing for their main gaming needs. Switch will survive though. I don't feel it competes in the market the same way that Sony and MS compete, and has the portable market to itself.
Considering that after Switch released that PS4 still had its best commercial years on the market, it’s obvious that Switch isn’t eating into the marketshare of its competition but rather coexisting. Whether people use Switch as the primary and others as the secondary or vice versa, it’s obvious that Switch can exist without threatening or being threatened by its rivals.
By selling me Nintendo games? It isn’t selling millions to play gacha heavy shooters or cyberpunk caliber open world games. Only Xbox has let PlayStation be an insurmountable opponent above themselves.
Maybe he means "gasha," which in this case are loot boxes?
Switch pro needs to be shown at e3 2020. Once ps5 and scarlett release, nobody will care about switch anymore.
Nintendo will do the same thing they do Wait 2-3 years after the new gen and release their new underpowered system with no money lost on units.
I will. It's the only option that I can play on a crowded train.
It won’t, you’ll see a plateau on sales as everyone moves to the next big thing.
I haven't bought a Switch yet due to my lack of interest of most of their first party titles & a year from now next gen consoles will be releasing so I don't think I'll be buying a Switch. Hopefully their next gen console will be much more powerful & some of they're exclusive library will have AAA mature realistic looking titles that interest me including getting current AAA 3rd party love instead of AAA 3rd party ports of old titles that were released several years ago that I've played already.
So you want Nintendos' next console to be more of the same as everything else. All I want to see Nintendo to do is create new memorable characters. I dont want to buy a Nintendo console to play another Ghost Recon Breakpoint.
New memorable characters comes along with new ip's. I would love to see Nintendo broaden it's imagination with original new ip's on new powerful tech making some games that don't look cartoony & family friendly all the time.
Exactly. I already have a PS4. And I will no doubt buy a PS5. Why would I need another playstation when I already have a PS5/Scarlett? I need Nintendo to provide me with a different experience.
This is why I prefer Nintendo over Sony and Microsoft
Well it's a portable which is something that next gen systems won't be. Plus there's Nintendo 1st party games as well. I'm sure Switch will be fine.
How? More and more games that is how. As long as there is always something to look forward each year the nintendo switch will be fine... Although I do think it's necessary for the Ninte do to make this lifecyle 5-6 years and the give us the Switch 2 or whatever it would be named.
I have a feeling Nintendo will release a new updated Switch by the time PS5 and the next Xbox release. I would guess a more powerful CPU/GPU and now the resolution will be 1080p in handheld and docked mode. I highly doubt they will make it able to do 4k docked and I'm ok with that.
They can't. Sales will take a nosedive because everyone will move on to the next new thing, which will be the PS5 and Scarlett.
Until BOTW 2, Bayonetta 3, and Metriod Prime release that is.
Price drops+exclusives+handheld factor that can't be replicated on Sony/Microsoft consoles. It's surprising to me how many people on here are so invested in hating on switch in comparison to those systems when it clearly is doing a completely different thing.
PS4 can be played on any Android device now, if portability is a such a factor - that pretty much negates it. Switch is closer to competing with smart phones and in that regard it's a massive failure. Not that I'm saying it's a failure - it's clearly found a strong audience and die hard community. It will end up the 2nd best selling console this gen.
You really think streaming to a smartphone can replace the Switch? Because it doesn't. People don't want to stream games (look at the reaction to Stadia). I just don't see how people can't see that it's a side console. People aren't buying it instead of PS4, they are buying it in addition to PS4, and I'm sure the same will be true for PS5.
It was a counter to the handheld point you made, all the others are moot as for as I'm concerned. I don't think PS4 games being played on any Android device comes anywhere close to a Switch, but the reality is console gaming on the go via and Android device. People's reaction to Stadia is justified, paying a premium to stream games when locally is generally hassle free and better experience - why would anyone choose Stadia.
Price drops are "moot"? That's probably the most significant factor I mentioned. The more Nintendo cranks down the price in the upcoming years, the more people who already have a primary console will be willing to take a "sure, why not?" Attitude towards the switch as a side console (again, not freaking out about power because they already have a primary console for higher end stuff). It's actually crazy that they've had this much success keeping the price for the main console up at $300.
People can play switch quality level games on many smart phones now, yet Switch is still selling fine. Switch has the portable market to itself. All these things every gen that people keep saying is going to be some downfall of something never seems to come true. Switch will continue to sell until Nintendo releases their next portable.
They have a new model coming out next year. Wouldn't be surprised if it was called New Switch like their New 3ds/2ds line. These new next gen consoles are going to dominate the comversation for a while if the murmerings of next gen games is anything to go by. The normal peak year for Nintendo should be next year, but without something new they will loose mindshare. They will need to make sure they can run the new features as a baseline. Asset streaming speed is going to be make or break for 3rd party support. The new system doesnt even need much of a specs boost...it just needs to be able to impliment features that come from new ssd speeds.
I think switch 2019 was switch,s best year sales wise but i don,t think it will take a massive nose dive once next gen consoles launch.
The Switch won't stay competitive. It has very few must-have games, and the hardware is way too underpowered, to the point that it's such a big deal that Call of Duty mobile might go to that platform. The online infrastructure is a joke, and the build quality of their hardware has been terrible since the Switch launched. Once people have had their fill, and/or broken their Joycons, Nintendo will have to come up with a new bag if tricks. which is what they have been relying on, ever since the Wii.
All Nintendo needs to do is just keep making great games. You don't need ray tracing or uber graphics for what they are doing. They are clearly in their own lane separate from Sony or MS. I just picked up a Switch to play my favorite Nintendo games and am really enjoying it even though I own a Pro and X1X. I don't care about it being portable as mine stays docked. I expect Nintendo to keep doing what they have been doing which seems to be working.
They will release a pro model next fall 100 percent. Already rumors of nvidas next chip that Nintendo is going to use .but considering next gen will release streaming platforms on both sides I could see Nintendo also adding its product in that realm .Maybe they will also make a deal with MS along side Sony
It's a portable that docks which was less powerful than the base PS4 Xbox One when it released, and it has done quite well. Nintendo will be fine.
Compete? The Switch already has a ~40 million headstart on 9th gen. I think they'll be fine.
That's something a little kid would use to win a lost case argument. "Hey look we are ahead by 40million against no one!! yay!! we are number 1!!" And then you wake up from your delusional dream.
Seems to me you are the one triggered with the arrival of PS5 and Xbox Scarlett both are superior to your favorite kiddie console. And there's not even such thing as 9th gen. PS4, Xbox One and Switch are all current gen or part of 8th gen or whatever number crap you pull out. They don't hold any weight what so ever.
A decent online system would be good for the next Nintendo system. Sick of their archaic online features.
to be honest I won't hold my breath. Just keep up the great games lol Oh Nintendo
By releasing nintendo switch pro
As soon as I saw "competitive"- ..already asking the wrong things unless we meant "what can they do to stay relevant to newer consoles coming out?" Then they could release a new console in 2021-2022(the normal 5 year gen life). Nintendo isn't competing with xbox or ps. yeaaaaars back nintendo stopped only focusing on gamers and focused more on everybody so gameplay over graphical fidelity. Which is why the wii was a huge success and why they stopped focusing on power competitions and such. I wish nintendo would make a powerful @$$ console and amazing looking games but that probably won't happen they'll continue to do what works for them and sony and microsoft will do their thing.
I've been hoping for a higher end Switch. Maybe 1080p screen, make it OLED to save room, battery life, and to look much nicer, more performance, bigger battery, and expand the screen size in the same body so the bezels are smaller
The Switch will be just fine with players who enjoy gaming on the portable spectrum (and with die hard Nintendo fans). I don't believe Nintendo should be worried. They are both aiming at different markets.
games like smash, zelda and Mario are always gonna sell.