From PSU: "While the PS5 and Xbox Scarlett's super-fast SSD are an exciting facet of the next console generation, they equally might end up being its Achilles heel, too."
Ummmmm, no. An ssd is easily the best part, now piss off with the "shock factor" titles/stories
Click bait drivel for sure bud
Most people know the benefits of SSD as it relates to a PC. You can get drives in different form factors. SATA, PCIE, M.2 but all in all their capacity is behind that of mechanical drives. in my own PC I use a split design of a 120gb SSD for my main boot drive and a 3tb mechanical for the rest of the file storage. The PS5 will prob not let you swap that SSD because it either may be surface mount or M.2 (and not as user friendly to replace as SATA) but they could still offer user replaceable SATA for bulk storage. I have a 2tb SSHD in my PS4 now and I know that Seagate is working to make 4tb drives in SSHD and be just as thin otherwise 4tb mechanical drives in the 2.5 form factor are quite thick. So IF this is the case of the SSD (in both) is non replaceable then yes, its use could be a problem unless they also offer additional storage options to offload (and hold the bulk) of the games. And since most are saying external drives arent quick enough (I use a 2tb ext on my xbo and never noticed a problem) then its likely that a secondary storage option would be internal (SATA) which would be quicker than external (USB3).
Actually this is a big problem. Digital Foundry just made an article about it on Eurogamer. That's where this article is based on clearly. https://www.eurogamer.net/a... PS5 will have most likely a 1TB SSD hard drive, which is not much for a next gen console. The problem they say is you cannot upgrade external because of bandwidth limitations of USB. This means you have to do with the same 1TB for the next 5 years. Hopefully this is not the case.
Yup that's my biggest fear... With games taking over 100 gb already now (RDR2 on pc is 150 gb!?) I hate the prospect of having a gaming collection I have to sit there and uninstall/install for a while instead of picking up and playing as it is I have about 70 games installed on my external hard drive and I love it that way.
We actually don't know what SSD prices will look like by the end of 2020, the pries of bigger drives are still going down. I bet the current prototypes have max 1TB of SSD drive space but when they get the final design down and begin production next year, they might have a 2TB option for the same price as the current 1TB price. Those are just speculations but it could definetly happen.
The easiest way around it is to not actually play games off the external. Swap them out with your current games to the internal, and move them around accordingly. It's what I do right now with the SSD in my PS4. You don't need access to your entire library at all times.
They will have modular installs to offset the issue. E.G. delete single player but keep multiplayer. Also the games will take up less space than they would on an HDD because the games won't need to install redundant assets to handle slow HDDs. External drives are a nice to have but I wouldn't trade awesome performance for that.
it has got to be a buffer, memory or ssd, and traditional hard drive for the storing.
This is another reason why streaming is the future. Games are getting so big and content will be in digital form only and writing to a ssd is slow which doesn't help either.
Does anyone know for sure that there isn't also a regular hard drive for main storage? the OS can easily manage moving things on to Ssd when needed and moving the least played games back to hard-drive when space is needed on the Ssd
Did anyone not pay attention when Sony stated that a lot of the game disc install is for the same assets on multiple parts of the current hdd in order to speed up loading. With ssd's the install for games should go down.
That could not be the case, there is also a technical rumor it will be an ssd cache disk of size lets say 256gb and at the same time a standard 1/2 tb hdd. (the rumor is the same for m$ console, m$ used words "used as virtual memory" regarding the ssd) It would work the way that any running game files would be copied to that ssd, after a max of couple minutes the whole game would be on that ssd so only the initial load would be slightly longer, but then full ssd speed til u change the game. This is how such ssd cache can work and u can use it today on pc with software like storemi or primocache, but a console mostly plays games so thi scould be optimized, this kind of setup would fix many issues - it keeps the price lower, u can have smaller super fast ssd that will still hold even huge games up to 256gb, one at a time so u can make the console cheaper and not lose the speed - external usb drives are non issue as the games files will be copied on fly to the ssd cache too - u still have a 1tb hdd that u can further extend and dont worry u need to buy a ssd to keep up
Or they can have the SSD for "installed" games and have a separate drive for mass storage that you just move over to the SSD when you want to play it.
@gerbintosh "Did anyone not pay attention when Sony stated that a lot of the game disc install is for the same assets on multiple parts of the current hdd in order to speed up loading. With ssd's the install for games should go down." Sure, that's why they're using 100 GB discs now, because the size of the installs will go down.
Didn't understand it? Maybe too many big words.
As Gardenia pointed out, yes this could be a big issue especially with games pushing 100GB+ AND 4K assets being implemented. Think about the claim further than the headline next time before commenting.
Anything for a quick click these days
Every new gen all we do is overhype & specualte too much Just wait!!!!!!!
"What you talking about Willis?!" **Of course, we’re still in early days yet. Both consoles will launch in just over 14 months and there are still plenty of gaps in the technical specifications for PS5 and Xbox Scarlett respectively.** So you don't know enough and are speculating without facts? Okay Willis.
On the PS5 , with Mark Cerny as the legendary system architect, I doubt it.
So...the author's thinking there will be space issues? Maybe, maybe not. Let's cross that bridge later and look into external SSDs if it becomes a problem.
Is the transfer speed of usb as fast as an internal SSD?
Well if the bus is fast enough, internal ssd vs external ssd using usb3 interface, on my xbox one x, its not so clear on my ps4 pro, reveals only milliseconds difference. So I would say Yes
Not sure why the down votes, it's facts 101 look at the tests on youtube
@TheScotsman You're getting downvotes because you're using current console SSD performance to the next gen SSD performance which is being claimed to be leaps and bounds better than the current gen as evidence of data transfer speeds over USB will be fine.
Geez... whatever. What's next? the power cord? Keep grasping that air.
Why not. External power supplies are apparently a problem. There is a lot of stretching to try and find things to be concerned about nowadays.
They didn't have a choice. Spinning drives are just too slow for next gen gaming.
They're too slow for really most things now. Trying to just use a Windows 10 laptop with a spinning drive for Word and internet is painful.
Would be much more of a problem if they didnt include them....
No one here actually reading the article 🙃
I did, I still say it would be much more of an issue not having them at all.
I agree. A console for 2020 must have an SSD.
Lots of fanboys that simply don't understand the workings of hard drives. This is why they'll sell you all proprietary hard drive extensions on top of the 2yr mark ps5 pro
The big issue is that 1TB won't be enough and it will be almost full after 6 games... I imagine most games will be 100+GB each, and that's before DLC. And of course we all know a TB1 drive is really 930GB of space for games.
Sure bud, because there's been a whole 4 or so games this gen that needed more than 1 disc at 50GB, so now everything is just going to become 100+?
Its why Sony allows you to delete whatever you want MP or SP.
That's fine unless you ever want to replay a game (say you stopped playing and erased both but a friend wants you to play with them later). With 100gb+ games a lot of people will hit their data limit with their isp quick. Plus managing storage space is a chore. Worrying about how many memory blocks you had on PS1 memory cards wasn't fun and neither will doing so with a small hard drive in PS5/Xbox Scarlett.
I would be willing to bet Sony will offer multiple SKU’s at launch with varying amounts of storage and maybe other benefits. Or maybe the consoles will actually have a super fast silicon level SSD and a more traditional HDD that work in tandem to off load each other and provide more space and expansion. Like the game you are currently playing being loaded onto the SSD from the HDD on the fly when you put in the disk or launch the application. There’s just no way there would be this serious of a limitation when so much emphasis is being put on the SSD tech. I get the whole speculation and guessing game with a new generation of consoles coming but the majority of these articles are just negative as fu$k and it’s getting old fast.
Pretty sure the power cord is the most worrying aspect. Maybe the rubber feet for the system tops that though.
If you dont have any clue what you are talking about, how the hell do you get a job reporting on tech? There is so much of this lately its just insane!
Imo there’s not much to worry about. Consider this: - PS5 with 1TB SSD: New games get installed until the drive is full & you have to manage your space installing/uninstalling games, nothing new here. - PS5 with 1 TB SSD + 1or2 TB external USB: The external drive acts as a backup & a proper OS implementation manages the space for you, keeping most used game files on the SSD (Windows/Mac/Linux already do this). Any new game would get SSD priority, offloading older files to the external. Say you want to play an older game or a specific mode (MP/SP) of an older game, the OS would then move the SP/MP part of the game back to the SSD depending on which you’re trying to play. The only loading time would then be switching files between external & internal, therefore a one-time longer loading into the title screen, that’s for games or modes you haven’t played for a while.
Moving stuff from drive to drive isnt all that fast either
We can start playing games within a minute or so right now on PS4 for some games reading off the blu-ray. No reason they can't/won't do the same thing with a HD and SSD setup and be even quicker.
This thing is a year away and there can be enhancements to USB, alternatives to USB or easily swappable internal drives long like Sony has offered before.
Yeah, because they're exactly the same, nothing unique. Ode to innovation ended with PS3.
whats the same?
Nextbox and PS5. Uninteresting.
I was on the sketch SSD bandwagon as to would it be worth the money and after getting one for my pc I could never go back. When I play console I wanna pull my damn hair out at how slow every thing is. Once you console gamers taste a SSD you will be mad the current ones now didn’t have one. It’s night and day on boot times and load times.
Good god these mind numbingly dumb articles are only going to get worse as the PS5 gets closer to release isn't it.
A storage medium is only troublesome if there isn't enough of it. Or is this another assumption base thing that devs will find it too complicated like they did the CELL so make excuses why they aren't going to utilize it. Kind of unlikely since both consoles will be using it, but sure, lets be troubled.
considering yiu can buy a 1tb ssd for under £100 i think it be at least 2tb in the console
get ready to buy those 4tb external SSDs.....
people are sick of loading screens taking forever or like Destiny waiting 10 seconds to see you items pictures load when mid battle …. ssd is a must anymore … and soon PC will use NVMe and consoles will be behind again … or always I guess
Hmm, perhaps they can just have the internal SSD, and then a second internal port/slot left empty for an SSD expansion? Doesnt sound too farfetched to me. I'm sure this is a pretty high priority point they are thinking about
I have been worried about it for the same reasons explained in this article. Maybe the low to average user would not fill up a 1TB or 2TB HDD but, midway to the PS4 life, I had to quickly add an 8TB HDD to the internal 2TB to both my PS4 and I cannot see a way to do the same with the PS5 and benefit form the speed of the SSD once games are installed on an external HDD storage. Also buying a high capacity external SSD would also be prohibitively expensive. With game install getting larger and 4K asset and ray tracing possibly requiring more space even with the partial install system that Sony has talked about I still see users running out of space fairly quickly. Take also into account that games do not get deleted as quickly as it was done in the past because many are created with the idea to offer a service over several seasons of content and you can see why this could be an issue. The only thing I can hope for is that Sony will reserve some space on the SSD for those games installed on an external HDD that can be used as a buffer to deliver speed in the same way it would do if the game was entirely installed on SSD. I am not sure whether it is viable but I agree that with the sentiment of the article that the SSD could be an issue once we reach a point in life of the PS5 where users have several games in their library and given that deleting them to then reinstall at later time is a cumbersome process given the local network speed, the server speed and the install time.
Articles like this really annoy me absolute drivel! At the end of the day we should find ourselfs happy these consoles are making the leap and giving us ultra fast ssd in the first place esp when you look at the cost implications on pc . They are taking it even further by using stored files through the Ram to give us ultra fast access to our games that has never been done Before when you look at what your getting all in one package with the PS5’s I think we will al be very pleasantly surprised by what we are going to get with the PS5’s for the price. It’s about time they brought a console out that isn’t held back by a crap Hard drive or weak processing capabilities or even a weak Gpu there’s always been something it’s looking like more and more this time things will be diff fingers crossed
I think that Sony will have two Sku on day one. One 1 TB and another with 2 or 3TB. I think it would be a good move from Sony. Giving the choice for everbody.
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