Google Stadia will be faster and more responsive than local gaming systems in “a year or two,” according to VP of engineering Madj Bakar.
Google Stadia will be faster and more responsive than local gaming hardware in “a year or two.” Sure it will.
It will there will be no lag and it will be the most awesome thing ever. Or like we all know it will be a bucket of laggy crap
If I was Bakar I would first worry about Google not axing Stadia in two years... let alone make silly comments like that.
Streaming works now, and lag can be within acceptable ranges to not affect the game. Some games may be more affected by higher lag times, but a game loop is usually only every 33ms, and generally doesn't require immediate input to process the render. But physics dictates that a remote server will never be as quick as a local client, if the local client is of a relatively equal level. Common sense and copious anecdotal evidence which is backed up by statistical data on average internet speeds and latency times suggest otherwise. MMO players, and even some console players, go through extra efforts to reduce their lag from common set ups from their ISP's. I was happy getting 50-60ms lag times when I played WOW. I could manage 30-40ms under ideal conditions. For comparisons sake, the average controller on console has a lag input time of <5ms, and can process that data on the next game loop execution after that input is stored through some interrupt in hardware/software.
Actually they talk about predictive button presses. So Stadia predicts what you'll press to mitigate lag. If stadia was bad for gaming than this is even worse. There is no value in knowing that the computer did all the work in playing your games.
@rainslacker Physics in terms of technology but, there is no way to empirically prove modern physics theories. So effectively yeah. If you have the proof explain. Cuz I am sure not one person who visits this site with a site history can prove anything about any of those technologies. But, be my guest if you can. Or just hit the downvote. Kinda of like people and their politicians. Mainly hearsay.
If not they'll just change your search results to make it look like it is 🙂
It's only funny coz your on the money, they have control and can filter whatever they want out of our sights
Unfortunately, when it comes to a service like this, search results don't mean much if the actual player experience doesn't match up. Someone who gets frustrated playing a game because of potential lag, or perceptible lag, which can be introduced at several points in the input/output or delivery process, aren't going to keep subscribing, and getting people to come back after a subpar experience is going to require more than just some positive Google search results.
Rain, They can always follow MS's example by practically giving everything away for almost free initially until everyone has ammased a big library of games, saves, friends, achievements etc and make it almost impossible to leave your service platform. Then when its already too late, show your true colors.
This is literally the stupidiest thing I've heard and he's suppose to be an enginer. I assumed they studied physics...
Dude, puhlease! Google has created a new network that uses quantum entanglements that can span any distance without latency. It's so obvious!
@cvrazyCoconuts their network can also travel back in time apparently. that's the only explanation as to how it can be faster than native hardware LOL
@crazy Unfortunately, they missed the class where FTL travel of matter or energy require an infinite amount of energy...which I'm going to assume most people don't have on their current 200 amp service within their homes. Not to mention that to make it work as theorized kind of requires matter to create that energy that hasn't been proven to exist, and that in some cases, requires going out of normal space time in an infrastructure set up ahead of time....and I don't think all the ISP's have implemented "warp drive" physics within their fiber optic networks or multiple server clusters that every piece of data will travel through.
Screw Stadia, we know Google...what I'm really interested in is MS's PR pitch about how Xcloud is bends Physics, its a breakthrough because it uses Quarks, not light, and how it surpasses Quantum entanglement speeds to provide the bestest, fastest (ehm, strongest??) , lag negative(yeah you heard it here first folks, we are in the negatives now) out there....
I know this is marketing and I know we don't yet have any technology that is claimed to exceed lightspeed but, physicist have not empirically proven the truth about light. If you have proof tell me. We don't have literal microscopes that can go down to the smallest claimed chemical and physical properties. We have not been to the next solar system. We were not here from the beginning. We are supposedly not that old as a species and especially as an advanced species. We can only accelerate particles to limited speeds and energy values. We don't understand gravity. We use electron microscopes for indirect observation meaning resultant and not direct observation meaning causal. We don't actually know how far particles go down because the microscopes have limits as well. Now if anyone can at least explain laser and radio technology that would be a start on this site.
Uhoh, The LHC(large hadron collider) was created to observe down to sub-atomic levels. It was used to observe man made sub-atomic collisions and its aftermath to a very accurate degree. We have mapped the electromagnetic background of the observable universe. We know dark matter exists and we know Quarks (sub atomic particle building blocks) exist. We have observed Gravitational waves. We still dont understand Gravity but we have observed, aka confirmed it exists. Yet we still haven't cracked lag free, no latency digital data transfer...
@UltraNova I hit your pm to discuss.
Because who cares about physics and the speed of light, right?
Apparently it's because they're using some algorithm which predicts user action. Still sounds skeptical to me
@antibandit so...there will be instances where character moves even before we control them? talk about being in the spooktober LOL
@Badz Pretty much. That can work for a lot of things realistically. It's been done for years on MMO's, although that update was always done on the client side. But if you've played any number of MMO's, you may have noticed when those times when the algorithm doesn't quite work right. Some games will work better than others. I'd imagine in a fighting game they'd be pretty useless. FPS probably could work pretty decently most of the time as they are more linear in their inputs. Turn based obviously you don't really need such things. Basically, it's effectiveness is going to be dependent on the game itself.
This is quite literally impossible due to the laws of physics. Individual anecdotes of games may not seem like they're more responsive on local hardware, but that's a programming issue. I can at least respect MS when Spencer said that local clients would always be better. It's fine to say that a streaming service will provide acceptable, or even great service, but to make a claim like this is just bullshit.
Check my comment to CaptainObvious878 above please I know this is marketing and I know we don't yet have any technology that is claimed to exceed lightspeed but, physicist have not empirically proven the truth about light. If you have proof tell me. We don't have literal microscopes that can go down to the smallest claimed chemical and physical properties.
It'll be as fast and responsive as PS Now...Hahaha!
Yup, I doubt it.
I hate the way everyone just lies about everything now. People and companies need to be held accountable for the things they say in a way that isn't happening like it used too.
I dont think they are lying i think they are so stupid and know nothing about what they are talking about that they actually belive this stuff
I am double face palming, you think the VP of engineering doesn't know that local hardware will always be more responsive than something over a network? Even at the speed of light something that is father away will take longer than something that is closer.
I'd agree if it was some random PR person, or some ignorant journalist. But, the head of engineering? Sorry, this guy is going to be intimately aware of what it takes to run the service, and if he's designing a gaming platform, he certainly understands the nature of local processing, and how fast it is compared to the internet.
Maybe they blagged there way into the position because daddy works higher up lol who knows.
Is there any way that they can be sued for false advertisement for making these claims. Even ouya will be more responsive than stadia. They're flat out lying now.
No, because they will have copious disclaimers within the TOS, and those little asterix marks which state that the user experience will be based on many variables, and if they're like any other ISP or internet based service, they'll blame everything in the line before they hold themselves accountable for people having problems.
This is likely a paid promotion. This is the state of journalism.
LMAO! Right... maybe when they have successfully possessed the live conscious of the human interface.
good one google.
If the Internet speeds are good enough then stadia will succeed. Majority of people who hate stadia do so because they actually want stadia to fail..
I couldn't care less whether stadia does well or dies but I do care for false advertisement and blatant lies such as this.
Internet speeds have nothing got to do with how ridiculous this statement is. They'll literally have to break the laws of physics for Stadia to be faster and more responsive than local hardware. They're talking out their ass.
That's not actually true. Speed of light is fast. Like really fast. Light can travel around the planet 7.5 times in one second. Currently the xbox one and PS4 have fairly slow latency compared to most laptops and PCs. Try playing gears 5 with a local mouse and keyboard, you can actually feel the input lag in mouse movement. It is in theory possible for stadia, if a data center is near you home to provide faster latency than the current generation of consoles. I'm sure it won't. But it is possible with advances in internet infrastructure.
@pro Data travels at the speed of light. Actually a little bit below in networks due to resistance in cables. But, no data set on the internet goes from the source, to the remote server directly. It passes through multiple hubs, like a router in a local network, and those hubs DO NOT process that data at the speed of light. Even in theory, even if you were right next door to the data servers for Stadia, your data would not be leaving your house, and arriving faster than a local client would. A local client can receive a wireless controller input in <5ms. A wired keyboard or mouse is <2ms. On the local bus, huge amounts of data are moved in 1-2ms. Moving that much data through the internet is nowhere near that fast, even at high bandwidth. Latency may not be a problem for many games, even most. PSNow works now, despite what some people may say. But, having a system that has an acceptable amount of lag to still be playable is a far cry from saying that it will be faster and more responsive.
Must be that new strain they smoking.
More like a speedball direct to the veins
We should all wait and try it for ourselves before we start with the negativity....right?
A basic understanding of physics will tell you this is a complete and utter lie, so no.
Local Hardware = Getting a screwdriver out of your tool belt. Severs or Streaming = Driving down to Home Depot picking up a screwdriver and driving back home. Which one option is faster and more efficient?
Local Pizza Restaurant = Order what you want and get it conveniently delivered to your door DIY Pizza = Buying, cooking, having clean up and still not having a pizza that tastes like it's gourmet And furthermore...I have no idea what point you were even trying to make.
@gangsta_red "I have no idea what point you were even trying to make." At least your honest.
Yeah no there's no way they can match the input lag or even surpass what these consoles are capable of. Basic logic will tell you that.
Shouldn't we wait and try it out for ourselves before we go condemning something? I know this is what we usually do for games so should apply that this also.
@gangsta_red There's no way the input lag on a streaming service will be better than what you get when you play a game natively. There are some things that are just not possible with gaming and you just have to accept that. Also I have plenty of experience with streaming over a Local Area Network so I know the input lag over an internet connection will be worse than that.
So you've tried Google Stadia first hand? Tell me more about their input lag compared to consoles, please.
Streaming will never be able to match local, native gaming. I thought everyone understood this.
@Synthetic Apparently Gangsta is suggesting that there's a possibility that it might be better. Which I find ridiculous. No idea why he's defending Stadia so heavily.
@gangsta_red What MasterCornholio is saying is that, though he hasn't actually used Stadia, he has used other streaming setups that involve input lag, and that input lag will inevitably be a part of a streaming service, and that this alone negates Google's statement here. Since we are doing analogies, it's as if Google has announced a car using an engine with a measurable max speed, and told everyone that this car will be faster than anything else on the road in two years. If Cornholio has already used another car with the same engine (and indeed in this analogy his car would be more efficient in other respects) he knows that Google's car, whatever its other merits, will inherently be limited by that engine, and thus he can comment on that limitation without driving Google's car.
@Jeece It's true that I haven't used Stadia but I've used other streaming services over a very good internet connection and have always noticed input lag. I'm not saying it can't be playable I'm just saying that it will never beat playing a game natively. And this is something Microsoft has said in relation to their streaming service plus many people have already tried other services such as PSNow and Onlive. Sure peoples internet connections will get better over time and streaming technology will improve but it will never beat a controller hardwired into a console/gaming PC. Heck won't even beat wireless controllers now that I think about it.
Your pizza example and likening it to local hardware vs streaming is without a shadow of a doubt the most retarded thing anyone has ever written on this website. Bravo, you are special. 👏🏽
"Your pizza example and likening it to local hardware vs streaming" Oh, is that what that was suppose to be in relation too? Because reading over my comment I never made the correlation of the two. Pretty sure the OP has nothing to do with anything relevant either, considering he's making up two situations with one that only favors his opinion.
I appreciate your optimism red but your analogy to PlayableG was terrible in relation to the topic the article was discussing. I'm sure it will run decently but faster/ more responsive than local is a flat out lie.
I'm pretty sure his analogy was just as faulty considering that "faster and more convenient" can be applied to different people in different situations. For some streaming would be the best and fastest alternative to game because that person is always on the go and would not have time to game at home. You can't just make up two alternatives with one being the obvious answer to suite your opinion. For example... Local Hardware = Having a threesome with Sofia Vergara, Alexandra Daddario, Melissa Fumero while driving a Koenigsegg Agera eating a prime rib sandwich. Severs or Streaming = Getting smashed in the head with a steel bat while getting whipped by barb wire Which option is better? Which one option is faster and more efficient?
@gangsta_red no his analogy was not faulty, just yours. "faster and more convenient" can be applied to different people in different situations." Accept the only situation that's being talked about here is local hardware vs Servers when it comes to input lag. In which case this is an objective matter and not up to opinion.
The issue is the absolute bullshit this VP is spouting. To even have the gall to claim their streaming service will be faster than local hardware in a year or two. They can have ten years and local hardware will still trounce games streamed worldwide over the internet. It's just basic common sense, something this VP is lacking or he's just a massive liar. Either way, doesn't bode well.
Well he seems to be capable of convincing some people that it might be true. Which is pretty sad BTW.
I'm all for trying out new things before writing it off, but Stadia isn't new. Streaming gameplay has been around for a while now, and the only time it's come close to being acceptable for me was when I streamed my Steam games from my pc to my tablet in my own home. From what I have seen of Stadia, I have no reason to believe that they have pulled off a miracle and made this a better experience than other streaming services. It's not just streaming gameplay that I have an issue with. As somebody who plays pretty much all of my games on pc now, it would feel like a massive downgrade to play games on Stadia. I would have no control, I would be fully reliant on my internet service and Google's data centres. I also wouldn't be able to use mods or trainers and the visual quality wouldn't be anywhere near the level of what I am recieving now. There just isn't any benefit for me when it comes to Stadia.
Ahhh I see the point you are making, also good analogy, it got a good ass laugh outta mean. It's a perspective kinda thing. Though in relation to what madj bakar was saying "more responsive" is primarily what I believe everyone here is addressing. It's just false in all honesty and is purely marketing bs. He would have been better trying to pr from the standpoint that you are bringing forth. Oh well
"just as good" or "as fast as" local hardware is more believable, but FASTER?? unless you can travel back in time...that's basically impossible.
Just because the service works doesn't mean that this statement is in any way possible on a purely scientific level. Even Phil Spencer was honest about it when he said local clients would still be faster and more consistent.