Greysun writes: "I am way more interested in Marvel's Avengers game now that Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel) has been revealed as one of the main characters."
I'm worried about how the GaaS model will be with that horrid progression system of loot.
I’m worried too but I just hope it doesn’t interfere with the single player, because that’s all I’m gonna play
I have a feeling this could be a problem also.
She was announced for Marvel’s Avengers
I mean who is she? I've never heard of her. Did they just create her recently?
A quick check through wikipedia states she's been around since 2013, I'm guessing she's part of the Captain Marvel story or something? If it's more SJW stuff, I'm not really interested.
Yeah she was created in 2013-14 I think, fairly new to Marvel
Her first appearance was in 2013.
She's well know, in the comic fanbase that is.
I’m so happy to finally see Pakistani American representation in the AAA space.
Because ethnic group is what defines and makes a person... Exactly what my man Martin Luther King was tryna say right?
You’re mixing representation with ethnic supremacy.
No he didn't say that. He said the color of ones skin should define the content of ones character. He acknowledged his blackness, the plight of the black in America, the historic oppression by whites, and the need for peaceful protest. He also championed civil rights which includes social and economic equality, social justice, the fair and equitable treatment of all people, and fair representation. It sounds like you missed all of this. Kamala exists because historically comics have had little to no diversity, superheroes have been white, only involved white characters, and told stories from insulated white perspectives. Kamala is interesting. She Muslim, a woman, has superpowers, and is American of Pakistani descent. Race does not define her character but the world isn't exactly Color blind either. Nobody can look at her and not notice she is different.
@ControllerBreaker Stop deflecting. Kamala is an American. And like most American stories of non-whites involves the oppression of said group by whites. It's as American as Apple Pie. Oppression of blacks, Asians, native Americans, Indians, Latinos etc etc shall I continue? But you don't have to take my word for it!
It's fine that the character is a Muslim female, but how does her gender and religion make her more interesting? How does it make her more interesting in general, and how does it make her more interesting than other characters? This is the nonsense I can't stand. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a Muslim female hero, but telling me that she's more interesting or better than another character based SOLELY ON THAT is silly.
"No he didn't say that. He said the color of ones skin should define the content of ones character." -343_Guilty_Spark That is TOTALLY false! The Quote MLK JR. is best known for is the EXACT OPPOSITE of that. "I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." - Martin Luther King Jr. 343_Guilty_Spark, Your a terrible person.
It's nice to see some representation once in a while
The first step is the most important, hopefully others will follow suit.
Apparently this offends many here because it is not "normal"
representation is fine. Saying that that representation somehow makes something more interesting is silly, because in a story like you'd expect from a ensemble group of super heroes,, their ethnic origin is usually not that important. X-Men sometimes manages to hit those oppression motifs through allegory, but it's not usually something you see in the Avengers, which deals with more personal moral and ethical issues through allegory and conflict.
"You’re mixing representation with ethnic supremacy." I actually have a few Pakistani friends I play club cricket with, they have never come across as thinking of themselves as ethnically superior.
Oh that’s not what I meant. ShinjukoSon seems to be confusing minority representation with all encompassing ethnic identity.
I know exactly what you meant.
Then why are you talking about your Pakistani friends?
Because if you want to say something about white folks just say it, dont dance around with words.
You realize this type of forced inclusion is ruining entertainment and video games. Triple A video games and video games as a whole are no place for inclusion politics. Video games are entertainment, there not meant to save or change the world.
Forced Inclusion? I would agree with you, but not in this instance. Kamala Khan is one of the most popular female super heroes in Marvel right now. She has been gaining traction since she was created. So for an Avengers game that only has one female playable character (arguably the most popular female Avenger) it makes sense to add Kamala Khan as the next playable character. People love her and she has a very different power set than the already playable characters. I don't see this instance as forced inclusion. It just makes sense. So basically, it goes both ways. Yes, forced inclusion is a thing. But on the other side, we have to try not to be so sensitive to other races that we make misinformed comments any time a game has a character of color in it. This is a perfect example. You clearly have no idea who this character or is, or how popular she is, yet you instantly jump to the "forced inclusion" argument simply because she isn't white like every other character that's already in the game. And for the record, I personally don't like this character. I think she's silly. But I recognize her popularity and have no problem with them including her.
yeah, Avengers is so much more interesting now, because people's ethnic origin is usually what is most interesting about their origin story. No reason a God, a brilliant scientist mega-billionaire, an all American augmented soldier, an ex-russian spy who wants to do good, another brilliant scientist whose failed experiment allows his dark and angry side come out, couldn't be interesting on their own. I swear, this notion that a single avenger is somehow going to make things interesting is what many of the movies failed at also. They tried so hard to make Black Widow somehow so important to the group, and she never really seemed like part of the group. You know...the titular group that people want to see and play? If it takes one character to make this game interesting, then it's already failed. Doesn't matter if it's this Ms Marvel, or any of the Avengers that most people actually recognize as Avengers.
huh? Does she blow up or something?
No, just invades foreign countries under the pretence of 'WMD's' and drone kills civilians. Oh wait...
@MajorLazer so shes American?
Hey, man....Didn't you know that you are not allowed to dislike Ms. Marvel, Even though....She is a poorly thought out character with unimaginative powers made exclusively to push an agenda.
What's the agenda you speak of ? The one where non white characters exist in a world that is 80% non white?
@343. Probably that instead of creating interesting new characters, they take an old character, and make it a minority or female and claim diversity. I'm all for representation, but why not create something new instead of riding on the coattails of the previous. But then you have cases like Thor Girl who no one cared about, so they made Thor a woman for a bit...
@rdgneoz3 You do realize there are dozens of characters in DC and MV that have overlapping/highly similar powers. Kamala also has several power Mr. Fantastic doesn't. She has time-travel like abilities in addition to her molecular shape shifting powers. She can also alter her appearance.
"The one where non white characters exist in a world that is 80% non white?" And what does that have to do with anything. If you make a garbage character that SUCKS, I don't care what color they are or where they come from. Frankly the late 70's to the 90's did diversity better than the garbage that is pumped out now, from Apollo creed to Ellen Ripley. Blade to Cheech and Chong. Characters that were unique and well written that people of all kinds loved. I rooted for Blade and Ripley, felt their fear, pain and anger! I didn't leave the theater thinking DUH! I just couldn't get into the character 'cause he/She don't look like me, derp.
@343 So, she's like ant man, Mr. Fantastic, a few of the X-men, and rounded out with a bit of Mystique? I guess it's better than just making her so powerful she can do everything no matter what. No reason that these super heroes should have limits placed on them so there is real internal conflict? I mean, what's the point, when they should just be able to blow up 30 ships in a few seconds in those nice Deus Ex Machina moments, then in the next scene, seem completely powerless for no reason.
"Frankly the late 70's to the 90's did diversity better than the garbage that is pumped out now, from Apollo creed to Ellen Ripley. Blade to Cheech and Chong. Characters that were unique and well written that people of all kinds loved." I totally agree. And you know where the problem came in? When people decided to get sensitive over nonsense and claim everything is a negative stereotype. For instance, characters like Blade and Luke Cage are awesome. But a large part of that is because they were created with what is considered to be racial stereotypes now. Blade was a black man trained by a black jazz musician in the 70's. Luke Cage is a black man from the streets constantly using street slang. He also used to be a gang leader. And you know what? They were GREAT! But now, if someone created characters like that it would be considered an insulting stereotype. People are just too sensitive.
Eh, i think it's an absurdly generic character design, with powers just lazily ripped from Mr. Fantastic. But to each his own i suppose.
yah I could care less what ethnicity she is. here are my thoughts, I like her storyline what I've seen of it, but her powers...yah I def agree looks like a rip off of mr fantastic but used in less clever ways, just reminds me of like real life battle toads or something.... thats my real complaint. Scarlet witch would have been much more interesting power wise
And Mr Fantastic is a rip of plastic man? Or quicksilver a rip of flash.
Makes more sense when you're competing with other comic book publishers, but Mr. Fantastic is a Marvel character, what are they competing with themselves?
They aren't really competing with anybody. People buy a ton of DC and Marvel comics. It's not a completion like it was in the Silver Age and Golden Age as much as a mutually beneficial and healthy co-existence.
I have one that describes this article: GARBAGE
Yeah im sure she made the game a system seller
I felt the complete opposite but you are a “journalist”? Did you also think the Joker premiere was going to be dangerous?
This character does not move me. Generic. They are reaching so hard.
Is she the daughter of Mister Fantastic or something?
"As a fan myself, I was not very excited for Avengers, until now." That sentence says everything you need to know about the guy who wrote this article.
And what does this sentence say about the author? I would love to know your findings! Why can’t somebody have an opinion about a video game?
What the writer of the story said is similar to this: "I wasn't really interested in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" until I noticed that they had a "random hat vendor" in the Cairo bizarre during the Marion kidnap scene" THAT got me all excited for the movie!" If He was a Fan of "The Avengers" and Marvel Movies. the edition of a barely "b" stringer character that was in ZERO movies to date would not be the "only" reason he was interested in the game. Of course, he could be lying, or possibly a nut job. or maybe he is one of the random 1000 people that actually buy Ms Marvel comic books a month.
Looks like boring trash
@343_Guilty_Spark Do you always have an agenda on something or do you just enjoy embarrassing myself? Anyways, I will wait for reviews on this game.
What would the agenda be? People hate Kamala here because she ....somehow is forced on them? I believe the writers Have the liberty to create any character they want...and many characters have similar powers.
I don’t understand why these things are important to people? More choices in a game can be nice, but if a character is added that doesn’t add anything to the story, then it is an issue, and I think Kamala was in the WWF before? I’m just joking.
@Cmoney007 Do you know the game story? Have you read stories with Kamala?
Putting her in the game isn't so bad itself. The movie managed to have what....200 characters by the end? Most of them not even actual avengers. But as soon as she's introduced, she becomes the most interesting thing about the game? that the game is so much better now? I mean.....seriously....what is so special about her that can save a game that the actual Avengers that everyone knows and loves can't manage to do. All I've heard about the game now is how bad the character designs are. How people believe that the story seems lame. Yet, throw in this random Marvel character that most never seem to have heard of, and its all the more interesting now, and anyone who disagrees is somehow a bigoted hater. Ever consider that some people are still not interested in this game, and feel like their intelligence is being insulted because some impose on them to be interested because a character who happens to not be white is now somehow a major focus of the game.
I guess the call to boycott n4g failed. They always do. In other news Meh character. Would prefer Amadeus Cho Hulk as pinch hitter. Every time I read Kamala I think of the Ugandan giant from wwf
she looks like kelly from the office
@343_Guilty_Spark My last comment to you was probably ridiculous, but why do I get the feeling that you always have an agenda?
People are going to want to play Marvel's Avengers to only play as Ms. Marvel said no one ever. It's not like people do not want to play as or have in the game Iron Man, Hulk, and Thor, etc. The exact characters he was not excited about are precisely why most people are excited for and want to play Marvel's Avengers.
You are 100% correct. I find it interesting that to 343_Guilty_Spark if you don't like or know Ms. Marvel, your apparently a "White" racist when, In reality she just Sucks and is a boring, bland Mary Sue character. I love how These diversity Characters stand on the shoulders of truly great characters with 50 plus years of history, loved by millions of people around the world. Not so much, the pale, tissue paper thin imitations of them.
How so, exactly?
I say that because most people who are going to play Marvel's Avengers probably never heard of Kamala Kahn/ Ms. Marvel and if you played Marvel ultimate alliance 3, Ms. Marvel is the original character, kamala Kahn was designed to force unnecessary inclusion on the Marvel Universe. It is almost like Marvel and DC both recently want to appease that small percentage of people who want entertainment to include every one in the world, be it minority or crab person. I'm kidding about the crab person thing, but seriously most people who are fans of the Avengers do not care if Ms. Marvel is Pakistani or White. The only reason I and many others take issue with kamala Kahn as Ms. Marvel is because it feels forced and changing the race of character does not really seem to add to the Marvel Universe's lore. It feels like someone at marvel has a checklist and making Ms. Marvel Pakistani was just a check mark on that checklist for Marvel.