Death Stranding's biggest problem is that it doesn't look fun

At the moment, Death Stranding's environmental obstacles and emphasis on cargo management seem more frustrating than fun.

[AspiringProGenji]

That’s what I thought about the MGS series, until I played it. I’m sure Death Stranding will be just as fun to play

[b163o1]

Biggest problem is it doesn't look fun? So now we're basing games purely off of looks?

So what about the story, if we're basing off looks you gotta already know the story s/

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Or gameplay footage

[Sitdown]

What do you mean now? Go look at threads concerning Crackdown 3, and pretty much any Xbox "exclusive" game that began to garner any kind of hype.

[MagUk]

You still need game play no matter how good the story is. Far cry 5 was the blandest game I’ve played in a long time not even the story could help me stay and finish the game.

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

Umm what else are you suppose to base Death Stranding off of? Gameplay is an extension of looks and since NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE GAME IS ABOUT!!! what else are we supposed to base this game off of? I agree it looks boring to me.

[eddvdm]

TBH, if I had a PS4 that game would be on my top 3 to get, and it's exactly because of the story (its proposal and teasers so far, at least).

I know most people don't care much about too subjetive and enigmatic - and sometimes touching too dense subjects - plots. But I'm exactly the opposite - I've already noted some cues at those teasers that could mean some deep stuff, even more coming from Kojima.

Let's not forget this is the first game he is in TOTAL control , with no parent company (f* Konami) to cut his wings. The single fact he worked with Guillermo del Toro on P.T. and now on Death Stranding it's enough to suggest the story/plot/meanings of everything in there can be seen as a flat 1 dimension tale or a VERY deep psychological world based around an apocalyptic scenery with all kinds of weird concepts - it really depends on how deep the player playing the game want to dive in.

If you never watched a Del Toro movie I suggest you to do it, it should give you a bit of what I'm talking here.

[sampsonon]

@343_Guilty_Spark: i can tell you we haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this game.
Kojima has only really showed some of the mechanics.

[Flewid638]

Well yeah....people have eyes. They form opinions based on what they see. If food LOOKS good, people express that. If a movie trailer LOOKS bad, people express that too.

Ever seen a girl who LOOKS good? Yeah...its something people say...because they have eyes.

[InUrFoxHole]

It's not bashing. Based off of game play it looks boring to me. Doesn't mean the core mechanics aren't solid or the visuals aren't great

[andibandit]

Then why did video kojima spend time on editing that 49 minute trailer, when he could just have given us a wall of text instead?.

[Knushwood Butt]

Nintendo has the monopoly on fun, like it's exclusive.

Kojima has no hope.

/s

[343_Guilty_Spark]

MGS has always been fun.

[roadkillers]

I thought it looked boring in 2004 and was some sort of military simulator. So glad I started playing with MGS3, the supernatural elements... game was amazing

[kneon]

I've never finished an MGS game as I get bored and just stop playing. And I've never had the urge to go back.

[Exari]

the difference between MGS and DS is that MGS gameplay videos had always looked fun

[porkChop]

To be fair, Kojima himself said the game isn't very accessible and maybe gets fun halfway through. A lot of what we've seen is mostly just walking in large and empty areas.

I'm buying the game and am going in with an open mind, but you can't blame people for being skeptical based on what we've seen so far.

[Segata]

If anyone else designed a game like this they would be shit on and the game likely would have gotten middling at best reviews. But Kojima does it and people will suck his dick hard enough to suck a golf ball through a garden hose. It gets good only halfway through the dev admits. WTF?

[sampsonon]

@Segata:

RDR2

[Redemption-64]

From what I read, Kojima didn't say the game, gets good only halfway through. It was a translation error, as I believe, it was done in Japanese and Danish then translated into English, but the headline drew in for clicks, so why change it. Based on what I recall, Kojima said, the game gets really fun as you play it and by halfway through, it will be really fun. Hell that's literally how most games build, start slow and get exciting, for interesting the more you play.

[Atticus_finch]

@Pork @segata Except he didn't say that.
Segata you need help!
The game is almost out. You should wait. Kojima is no idiot and neither are his fans. The game might be weird but it shouldn't disappoint.

[chiefJohn117]

@Sampsonon RDR2 is the most fleshed out open world game ever. Any one that designed a game like that would be praised

[NarutoFox]

"Fans of RPGs or strategy games may find Kojima’s latest title up their alley, but people who would much rather pick up a controller and shoot things probably won’t find much enjoyment here."

Since I'm a RPG fan I would have to agree with the author. This is not a pick up the controller and just shoot things game.

[TheOptimist]

Am an RPG fan., still doesn't seem interesting. Feels tedious if not anything else.

[NarutoFox]

We don't know if it's tedious yet because the game is not out yet

[343_Guilty_Spark]

@BurritoFox we have gameplay footage

[NarutoFox]

@343_Guilty_Sucks

I know you ain't talking. We shall see the reviews next month :)

[TheOptimist]

If only modern reviewers held any credibility.

If you read modern reviews you should have realized that most game reviewers review games as if they are playing games for the first time.

[MasterCornholio]

@Naruto and Guilty

You two need to deal with your issues over a PM instead of the comment section.

[trouble_bubble]

Guys say modern reviewers don’t have credibility. Who does? All forums do is complain about this game that game which game what game. No one wants advice from contrarians on suicide watch either.

For the record I’m not into this game but the headline caught my eye. lol at these pre-reviews. How do you not-fun something no one’s played yet

[Segata]

I love RPGs. The game looks dull as dirt to me. It looks like an ego project that will get praised no matter what anyway.

[sampsonon]

you and the Author played the game? wow! please, tell me why protagonist has weapons and doesn't use them?

thanks

[Atticus_finch]

How about you tell us?! You seem to know alot more about the game than us.
Even the question is stupid, why would he have em and not use em.

[Atticus_finch]

The author is wrong though. I'm glad kojima is keeping the game reveals to a minimum. The game simply isn't out yet and everything I've seen looks clever and interesting.

[Nyxus]

It looks fun to me.

[isarai]

To you...

[sampsonon]

and me

[isarai]

But not everyone.

[NarutoFox]

And me

[Muzikguy]

and me. Most games won't appeal to everyone. Doesn't make them bad games

[IRetrouk]

I don't even think we have seen the whole gameplay loop yet, what we have seen so far was character and inventory managment with a tiny slice of a mission, I personally can't wait to get stuck in but understand those that don't feel the same.

[masterfox]

https://pics.me.me/yeah-wel...

[Giblet_Head]

Well it does say 'opinion piece'.

[DaDrunkenJester]

Some games are just a bore to watch.

[AmUnRa]

And still can be fun to play....

[Shane Kim]

It looks very different at least. Now I hope it will be fun to play.

[Father__Merrin]

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Death Stranding's biggest problem is that it isn't on my platform of choice

^corrected it

[Juusterey]

"anyone who doesn't like a game that I like must not have the console"

Are you really that insecure ?

[Atticus_finch]

The insecure one is you...
He didn't say he like it or disliked it. He was pointing out the hate towards a game that has fresh gameplay ideas and isn't out yet.

[CaptainCook]

Death Stranding's biggest problem is that it isn't on my platform of choice

If he doesn't have a PlayStation 4 how come the author reviews PlayStation 4 games? 😳

[Tross]

He could have a PS4 but prefer another system, hence the term "system of choice". My PS4 is my system of choice, but that may not be the case with everyone. I'll make due if a game is exclusive to another system I own though. I don't keep other devices around just because, and I sure as heck wouldn't let something like that influence my opinion of a game.

[Juusterey]

Are you saying you can point out flaws, without hating something ? 😮

[Atticus_finch]

Look at the dislikes in this article...
People really don't want PlayStation to have another brilliant exclusive. Sad!

[Kiwi66]

So people disagreeing with what others say, which happens in every article, you spin into people not wanting PS to have another exclusive

[Atticus_finch]

I don't mind the disagreeing is the unwarranted hate the game is getting that doesn't make sense.

[DuckOnQuack35]

Wrong. I have both and I lost interest a while ago in this game. Btw I love the mgs series. Mgs 3 is top 3 in my favorite games

[Kumakai]

100%

[bluefox755]

Not every game has to cater to people who only play mindless shooters. That's not everyone's definition of fun.

[DaDrunkenJester]

I love my RPG's, but there can be a level where gameplay systems and mechanics become too tedious and cumbersome. Especially when they start doing too much on survival and constant tinkering.

But we will see

[rainslacker]

I'm more about the entire experience and how it comes together. One bad or boring thing may not ruin a game, and one amazing thing cant make a game great.

I doubt itd be possible to ever get a good idea how one would feel about this game without playing it, or learning more than were likely to learn about it before release.

[trooper_]

Exactly.

I’m interested in the game and will not judge it until it comes out.

[theshredded]

Not every game has to be a mindless shooting fest.

[Juusterey]

Just like shooting fest doesn't mean mindless

[Atticus_finch]

Good thing Kojima happens to be good at making mindful shooting fest...

[Batzi]

Not everything has to be about shooting! Don't we already have enough of those? God forbid if someone tries to do something different! Seriously what's wrong with people? I am in for the story and the journey! Stop judging a game if you haven't played it!

[Juusterey]

"Stop judging a game if you haven't played it!"

Hope you say the same to the people who are saying it looks good too

[Batzi]

Well you can easily tell if a game looks good based on the visuals you see. You don't need to play any game to know if it looks good or not. Will the game be as good as it looks? I don't know. I need to play it right?

[Juusterey]

So you can say a game is good without playing but no that it's bad?
or does this only apply to games you like?

[zodiac909]

Another Saturday, another bs opinion piece.

[Immorals]

It doesn't look either fun, nor a good game to me, but I've never been a big fan of Kojimas work.

I'm sure some people will love it, and that's what really matters

[P_Bomb]

Slow news day?

[Magog]

Some people have fun with train simulators. I have fun entering Kojima's brain. To each their own, buddy.

[Silly gameAr]

Why are people doubting Kojima so much with this game? People have been riding it hard every since it was announced. Never seen this many negative articles about a game that's not even out yet.

[gangsta_red]

"Never seen this many negative articles about a game that's not even out yet."

You sure about that? Two games that instantly come to mind that people moaned about before the game released...

Crackdown 3
The Order 1883

[Atticus_finch]

Crackdown 3 was obviously downgraded to hell but I guess it makes you feel better to think that it compares to anything Kojima does...

[gangsta_red]

@finch

"...but I guess it makes you feel better to think that it compares to anything Kojima does..."

Yes, because that is what is obviously being discussed here right?

Do we just reply to comments without actually reading the context?

[Silly gameAr]

Death Stranding hate articles beat both of those in less time.

[Atticus_finch]

My point is that cd3 had the hate coming since the day it lied about what it could deliver and received obvious massive downgrades. But to you that is the same as Death stranding.

[gangsta_red]

@finch

Lmao. You have no point, CD received just as many hate articles before the game released, before any gameplay was shown and before the downgrade happened.

But please, keep believing that it's any different and again completely miss the entire point that there HAS been many "hate" articles before games were released to the public.

"But to you that is the same as Death stranding."

No, never said Death Stranding had massive downgrades it lied about anything because that is not the point, that's your point and has nothing to do with what Silly said.

[Bennibop]

Because its an exclusive, same folks that are negative here are prob the ones saying it eventually come to pc.

[Kiwi66]

A lot of games get negative articles about them even before they have released and after not just this one

[rainslacker]

Taking something popular, and stating why you hate it is how one looks cool nowadays.

That and console wars make it so some have to dislike kojima despite his accomplishments, instead of just ignoring his games if you arent interested.

Shouldn't worry about it too much. This gen has seen plenty of instances of animosity over things, but if the games are good, they generally still do well.

[Silly gameAr]

I'm not really worried about it much, man. I'm still getting the game, so that's really all that matters to me.

[Atticus_finch]

People really would hate the idea of another PlayStation hit.

[DuckOnQuack35]

Oh God would you just shutup about this lmao. No real gamer thinks this way. Who gives a shit what platform a game comes out on? It's idiotic. I'm mostly an Xbox gamer but God of War is top 3 for this gen. Just stop with your bs

[MrSec84]

It looks fun, engrossing and very deep, I can't wait to play it!

[gangsta_red]

Amen, everything they showed hasn't been a bit interesting. It doesn't help that there is just as many people still confused about what is going on in the actual game.

[DuckOnQuack35]

I get this but then again we are talking about Kojima. I never know what his games are about until I play them lol

[gangsta_red]

I don't know, there seems to be this legend that I think we have all made up about Kojima that details him making a bunch of weird, strange different games. He's mostly only worked on and known for MG and MGS and even though they have some convoluted, ridiculous stories they have always been straight forward in terms of knowing what was going on and what was the main game objective.

This game however just seems to be weird for the sake of being weird. It's safe to say that Konami probably had a good leash on Kojima when he was making the MGS series and told him when to reign it in when he was getting too far out there with his ideas.

[frostypants]

N4G needs to can these glorified reddit posts posing as articles.

[Juusterey]

"N4G needs to can these opinions that I disagree with"

Fixed for you :)

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

That was Demon Souls problem. I remember watching gameplay of that game thinking what the hell kinda boring piece of garbage is this??? The rest was history.

[rainslacker]

Yep. Then you maybe experience it years down the line, and realize you were wrong, or potentially missed out. Most of the time it's easy enough know how you'll feel about a game, but when you get new ideas it's not always so black and white

[sampsonon]

anyone that makes a demo like PT I'm buying their next game whether it looks fun or not.
i can't wait to play the story and explore this freaky world.

Death Stranding doesn't show off everything like other games do. it's almost like Kojima knows he doesn't need to sell the game because people already know his style.

call of, Yawn!!, duty anyone?

[Juusterey]

Cos obviously if you don't like this you have to like call of duty
Which is a negative thing apparently

[RosweeSon]

Looks more fun than this article

[ApocalypseShadow]

I've already mentioned before that some gamers are just looking to shoot things like it's all they know.

I think of Death Standing as leaning more towards Shadow of the Colossus, Inside, Journey, etc. There's combat in Death Stranding. But it's not about combat.

Those gamers looking for COD, Battlefield, etc type gameplay might need to look elsewhere.

[Redemption-64]

I personally find it interesting, got a lot of responsibilities now, new job, going back to school and expecting a child, so I might look out for it down the line. To those that this looks fun to, I hope it meets your expectations. Enjoy

[Tross]

As someone who plays a wide variety of games with all sorts of different styles of gameplay, it looks interesting enough to me. I may be an exception though as I'm not married to any one particular type of game.

[PCgamer98]

Tbf a lot of games are boring to watch but pretty fun once you're the one holding the controller.

[Dirtnapstor]

I fall into the genre of being a Kojima acolyte, and from what we’ve seen so far gameplay-wise, this project should have been called UPS Simulator. But there has been so much more within past trailers that indicate that a vastly different game is incoming.
Kojima is being cryptic as usual. He just likes to poke the bear that is us. I’d be willing to bet the final trailer prior to release will be combat heavy and mind melting.

[The_Sage]

Is it supposed to be "fun"? I would not say The Last of Us is fun. It's more a high tension emotional experience. I think that years ago we've moved beyond video games being "fun" and moved into the realm of proper entertainment.

Consider the beginnings of film. Keystone Cops.. The Tramp .. Steamboat Willie... Do you not think that film as a medium had moved well beyond that? Was The Usual Suspects fun? How about The Godfather? Children of Men? No. The media grew up, and now video games are doing the same thing.

There will still be the equivalent of Billy Madison in gaming, it just doesn't have to all be that. Does anyone remember 2001 A Space Odyssey? Fun is not the first thing that comes to mind when I think of that film. Yet it was fantastic. Games have moved to that point. It doesn't have to be "fun" to be a thought provoking emotional experience. Gaming is all the better for it.

[babadivad]

Like all Kojima games.

[RangerWalk267]

Correct. Doesn't even begin to look like fun. Interesting for sure...but it'll probably end up being something I just check out on YouTube

[Elda]

To each their own but I find the game interesting.

[AmUnRa]

So someone down voted you, cous you cant have your own opinion, thats N4G for you.....

[Elda]

Agreed. It's sad that some folks here have issues.

[The_Sage]

Every time I see your profile pic I hear... My name is..... Shakezula. The Mic rula. I'm my head.

[smolinsk]

Spot on, I will try it just because I love mega big open worlds with exploration but it does look quite boring...

[Flewid638]

I agree.

But if I'm wrong, I'll get it. Isn't that how life works?

[william_cade]

I'll support Kojima's art. I'm curious to see what's it all about.

[MadLad]

I'll never take away Kojima's contribution to the industry but, unpopular opinion, I don't think he directed a truly stellar game since Snake Eater. Personal opinion, but I've been underwhelmed by what I've seen of DS.

[AK91]

So basically if it ain't an a generic mindless shooter it's not worth a purchase? I swear we're back in the PS3/360 era where every game had to be COD or it didn't matter

[Dark-soul]

I like to play interesting games, not fun ones

[MadLad]

I kind of appreciate when they manage both.

[gintoki777]

Its just an opinion.

[HaVoK308]

Clickbait. Why do you people constantly help these people rake in the money. The games not out. So why do you give a damn what some nobody writer thinks.

[BenRC01]

Agreed. Self indulgent BS. No wonder Konami sacked him, he probably went nuts with mgs4 and had to be reigned in.

[AmUnRa]

You do not no what has been going on between Konami and Hideo Kojima, when you say something insulting deliver facts to your claim.
What YOU are saying is self indulgent bs.

[mogwaii]

Its biggest problem is it looks ridiculous.

[waverider]

It will be the biggest surprise of 2019. Its a Kojima game....

[PaleMoonDeath]

It looks fun to me? not enough explosions for ya, ehhh :P

[Artemidorus]

Just remember it's not about running around killing and paying extra to beat people.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

I've been saying this all along, I believe this is gonna tank hard.

[bacrec1]

The game is going to disappoint a lot of people. One of the most over-hyped games in history.

[fsydow1]

Thats your opinion buddy.I will enjoy another exclusive unlike you who will play gears 6 and 7 in a few years time lol.

[brew]

A lot of games don't seem "fun" to mainstream gamers looking for action - Detroit Become Human , The Last Guardian , Death Stranding , etc.

But fun is something that can provide entertainment , amusement , or enjoyment. Death Stranding will qualify as fun. It just might not be your type of fun.

[toneblanco925]

Red Dead Redemption 2 says hi. Lol go read the comments on those threads.

[JokerBoy422]

Honestly I have shit all over this game and it's only because I want it to be good, I really do. I want this to be the best game ever made. That said, it looks boring as fuck. I know Kojima is a storytelling genius, but I'm worried he may be in over his head this time. As much as I hate to say it, no one wants to hear it, and I'm going to get ALOT of hate for it, I worry Kojima needed Konami to keep him reigned in. To keep him tethered to sanity. I am excited to see how this games release unfolds.

[LucidIllusion]

Some of you have very sad lives. I hope you find help before you die like worthless idiots.

[ReVibe]

I'm going with audience misdirection here. C'mon; it's been two snippets of gameplay and people instantly cringe that it isn't HAYRO?! GEEZ OF WAH?! Like Cliff says in the last cinematic trailer: "I'll show you the real thing soon."
People need to relax and basically tune Kojima out when he makes very contextual statements about how and when the story and world will blossom.

I'm confident, but not certain that there's elements to this game that some VERY dedicated individuals are keeping under wraps in this final stretch.