The next-gen console war is already heating up.
It's going to come down to the exclusives next generation. Both consoles will be identical in power
Exactly, the Xbox One X is technically better than a PS4 Pro, but who cares about power when the games straight up suck on the console. Exclusives are what will dictate the success of the consoles.
Your fanboy is showing. Let's ignore all 3rd party games that look and perform better on X and just go with a blanket statement. No one gave two shits about the exclusives at the start of this gen when the PS4 lineup was in their own words sparse compared to the competition. It was all about the POWWAAA. Now it's all about the games again because Sony lost that power advantage.
“ Your fanboy is showing. Let's ignore all 3rd party games that look and perform better on X and just go with a blanket statement.” Most people still buy 3rd party games on PS4 regardless. Xbox is almost irrelevant at this point.
@shloobian Xbox fans may not of cared about exclusives, but us at Sony seen last gen how exclusives made a difference, and we appreciate what not only Sony has built, but what we built as well... PS5 day1...
@shloobian if exclusives didn't matter. Then surely everyone would have sold there playstations and got a XB1 X right? All 3rd party games should be selling best on Xbox right since they look nicer on the X? Nope people want the best all round gaming system. Out of the lot the PS4 is the best all round gaming system. The best exclusives and 3rd party games.
Pretty sure power mattered at the start of the generation because the PS4 was more powerful for $100 less and people knew that exclusives were coming. Also, Xbox One exclusives were just as bad as PS4 at first, if not worst.
It wasn't power that mattered. Most gamers didn't want forced DRM with a spying, bundled camera. PS4 just happened to focus on games without the camera taking up cycles. Fan boys ran with the power nonsense. The rest of us focused on the games because that's why you buy a console to begin with.
I already know I will buy the pro model of each console and “poor” console. I love it, because the hardware by year 3 in a generation gets too weak.
Aren't Like 7 of the top best selling PS4 games of all time third party games? I think the success will come more so from price and performance. Remember the PS4 was priced $100 cheaper and was more powerful at the very beginning of the gen...with all the mistakes MS made it was an easy choice for early adopters who then went on to tell their friends to get a PS4 just like them.
@343_Guilty_Spark "Aren't 7 of the top PS4 blah blah blah" dude you like 24hrs behind......STFrikUp
@shloobian It's a little better, is it $100 better? Debatable. The point is, you can get marginally weaker hardware and play the best games of the generation, or you can get a slightly higher resolution, and in some cases, a slightly more stable framerate and pass on all of the GOTY level exclusives. Seems like an obvious choice to me.
@343 Sure, but sales don't equal quality in every case. The top selling games are often not GOTY contenders, they are just popular. The best games of the generation, while usually selling quite well, are often outsold my mainstream series like Call of Duty. Does this mean that Call of Duty is better than God of War? Of course not, and conflating sales with quality is stupid.
So tired of reading this shit excuse about thirdparty games being equal to exclusives. I have a PC for thirdparty games. Microsoft is giving nobody any incentive as to why I ever in my life should buy an Xbox, because the game will be availble on the PC. Before you know it, the Xbox Console will be dead and say welcome to games as a service.
exclusive wise sure, but every 3rd part game looks and runs better on the One X, don't kid yourself.
@Jin_Sakai, PS4 is irrelevant in my household. Im, not sure when the last time it was even powered on.
@shloobian no one give a shit because we know Sony will deliver on that front. You can't rush greatness....GREATNESS AWAITS!
Exclusives are part of it, but there are so many more factors. PS4 was cheaper and had much better pr at the start of this gen.
Xbox sold 44k consoles worldwide last week its irrelevant now... Playstation is where its all at and will continue untill next gen and beyond.
Scarlett and the ps5 are fairly equally specced based on all comments and rumors about it. I dont really see why Sony needs a pro version. I'd rather the mid gen or 2 models in one gen thing not carry over to the next gen. Was an interesting experiment which was ultimately pointless
Nonsense. Even phones don't do that anymore because manufacturing for two products and trying to determine how much each will sell is bad. It's better to aim for the largest interested market and push that as far as you can and then do a mid-gen release. It also saves on development costs early on as new games are developed and learn the one machine and are eased into the two or three-year later released mid-gen hardware. Just doesn't make any sense.
What? Are you really that ignorant just look up how many different versions of the apple phone just released as well as the samsung note 10. Obvisouly the standard version would sell the most then they can adjust the premium version based on sales. And development time increase would be next to nothing seeing as a ps5 pro would use the same chipset family with obviously higher spec numbers.
Someone else is showing ignorance today. And It's not Chris. Too many versions of a product being released creates consumer confusion. Look it up. You would know this if you were more knowledgeable on the subject. Sony discontinued the $500 PS3 because it wasn't selling like the $600 one. But this time, Pro came so late in the game, it's not selling as fast as the standard model. If both consoles launched at the same time, one would have sold more forcing the other to be discontinued. It's a waste in manufacturing that costs money. Secondly, if the standard model would have sold more than the Pro, consumers would feel cheated as the Pro wouldn't be pushed to have better graphics, etc for the price you would have paid. Know what your talking about. PS5 doesn't need a Pro version early on but a focus on one product, one strategy. Maybe later down the line. Not at launch. These aren't phones. So we don't need the phone mentality in the console industry.
Not sure why you're getting so much negs, have people gone full retard or something.
@apocalypse sony discontinued the $500 ps3 because it had a 20gb HD. Not because it sold less. It sold more at the start but sony quickly realized that 20gb wasnt enough. What consumer is gonna feel cheated that their pro isnt being pushed? When clearly the pro performs better than the standard 4k checkerboard increased fidelity multiple performance modes and a greatly enhanced vr capability. The ps4 pro model isnt some drastic new architecture its simply a beefed up ps4 which. As sony has stated many times, that development times wont be effected that much because of how it was made. It's funny you say know what you're talking about when clearly you're in the wrong. Who are you to say a pro isnt needed at launch? Because I'd gladly purchase one. It's like telling people dont buy collectors editions because it's not needed. Hell why is the ps5 even needed? You're acting like it's some crazy absurd idea that sony KNOWS they have consumers who want just a little more performance and dont mind paying for it. Too many versions dont create customer confusion when it comes to tech devices. Ask apple ask samsung ask google.
Apocalypse, Allow me to disagree on this one. We are trained these days to choose a version of a new thing every time we leave our house, we don't get confused anymore. Are you in the market for a Mobile phone and you have a particular inclination to a certain company's product? Apple, Samsung, Google pix etc they all launch a new line with multiple SKUs. Same goes with pretty much anything. You want a PC today? Well you have about an infinite amount of variation to choose from there. You want a car? Say a Porche 911...well which one the regular 911, the 911 4S, the 911 Turbo, the 911 Turbo S? The list goes on. Hell even when someone is in the market for a console the have to choose between one company (Sony, MS and Nintendo). See, we are conditioned to make a choice on something every single day, why would it be confusing to choose one out of two versions of a ps5 come Nov 2020? I believe it's a viable strategy that ultimately benefits us the consumer because we get to spend our money on a console once per gen and not twice if you happen to want the latest and greatest. Did we forget what consoles are all about? One hardware for one gen, a fact that made development so much easier for devs and allowed them to get to know the hardware and make amazing looking games as the gen progressed (Uncharted 1 to tLoU for example) for everyone! Personally, I would happily spend up to 200 more for the Ps5 Pro from the get go and be happy I wouldn't have to feel I was missing out on the latest and greatest on 2-3 years down the line. Of course there are some who can afford to buy as many iterations as they want but what about the rest of the people?
Uhhhh phones do this all the time.....
These aren't phones. Why not release a new version of a console every year if it's so doable. They're not phones. The development to make every version of a game run well would be insanity for developers. It already pushes some devs to focus on an exclusive more to make the best game possible than spreading the game across multiple hardware. So they patch an update for Pro later. Some devs don't have the funds. One console is enough. Those "elite enthusiasts" that feel they need the best version over everyone else need to go buy a PC and leave consoles alone with this multiple version nonsense.
Whether they are phones or not is irrelevant. He is the one who said even phones don't do this which they clearly do every single yet. As for it being development nightmare , anyone who thinks that is a fool. They have only been doing this on PC for the past 30 years.
Lmao there a million different phones with all different specs but they all run the same apps and games.
If you want to sell your product to larger audience, and you have a loss on each sold unit (not just expensive manufacture, but all the investment in research and development, contracts, outsourcing, equipment, labor etc.) Then your target of customers has to be wider. (Those with money, and those with less money - or from psychological standpoint those who are willing to spend more, or less). You can't negotiate with every single customer about how much is he going or willing to pay for the same model. What you can do is separate your product into base, and premium versions. Sales of each version are not important because it is the same product, on the same assembly line, same manufacturing, same parts. Same generation. With cars is the same, only there are so many options there you have to negotiate with each customer to make a spec before assembly. but specs are there. ( cars are more expansive than electronics, so there are more ways to actually make a deal). For manufacturer is essential to reach as quickly as possible break even point, after that he can modify, make more research - invest into revision of a product - make it better, more efficient, more attractive, more affordable. Customer confusion is bad for the customer, not for the manufacturer, and there will be some, but sale increase outshine that problem in the end. Developer confusion is also a factor, but now days engines are so scalable ( from mobile, to high end pc) that it doesn't matter. Its more defined by the generation of developing software. (Fallout can have all the memory in the world but their engine is decades old and will have problems). There are different strategies how to eliminate loss at the beginning of a product. One plus has an interesting one, where they put out a new model every six months for a different market. From a fan point it is better to have one beast model...but Ps5 is probably gonna cost 800$ (china tarifs and all the technology) so Sony is looking into options. I hope you learned something.
Meh, im too busy playing games to even think about it...
God willing I'm buying the PS5 Pro when released.
For 600-700 and what if a new comes 3yrs after. Knowing Sony it will be 400 ps5 and 500 pro.
PS5 is complete BC with PS4 which already gives them 100m+ userbase edge next gen.
You're not going to be playing ps5 games on the ps4 so no it doesn't give ps5 100mill userbase.
Sony doesn’t need anything. It will crush Xbox again. It’s a worldwide product. Xbox only sells in North America and maybe the UK. With that said, Microsoft doesn’t need to outsell Sony in consoles, they just need to get people to buy into gamepass in droves. If they pump out quality content, then they can succeed next gen
M$? Quality content? What?
Sony knows just from the PS3 era that it doesn't work at launch. The proof is in the pudding. https://www.google.com/amp/... Even though the article talks about PS3 cost as a negative, the HIGHER PRICED PS3 sold more. Forcing them to discontinue the other version. Waste of manufacturing space, money and time. ***At launch, we offered two separate models of PlayStation 3 to meet the diverse needs and interests of our PlayStation fan base. Initial retail demand in North America was upwards of ninety percent in favor of the 60GB SKU, so we manufactured and shipped-in accordingly.*** You can read the rest in the link. It doesn't work at launch. But, it does seem to be their strategy to release a later, better model like they usually do with slims. It keeps those graphic whore gamers in the platform from running to platforms like PC. While the rest of the gamers continue looking for games and not buying system after system like graphics cards. Or worried about every game needing to be 4K or 60fps to be fun. One PS5 at launch. A later model to keep those bored system buyers from jumping ship because they keep needing better graphics llike a crack hit.
If it didnt have a small ass 20gb HDd if wouldve sold better. I was alot younger then and cheap I went with the 20gb and less than 2 months I was having space issues but luckily you could easily replace it
The reason why I got the 60 gig at launch was well yeah larger hdd, but for me it was WiFi that solidified that purchase.
I brought the 60gb version because that's all I could find at launch. I would have been fine with the 20gb version. I upgraded the hard drive either way, but that was a few years later when 60gb wasnt enough. The hard drive itself is pretty inconsequential in terms of price nowadays. So a better version would give more apparent benefit to the end user. I personally would just like a single console which isnpowerfuk enough to last the generation, but if a more powerful model were released at launch, I'd just buy that because it's not likely to cost much more.
The x came out almost 2 years ago. How that work out. There selling bare minimum worldwide
The rumor of this is solely derived from a single Japanese journalist who supposed 'predicted' the Switch Lite last year, he blurted out PS5 Pro during one of his Let's Play live streams. It doesn't take a genius to predict these things, even a N4G reader like me bet on Nintendo stock at the start of the year on a Switch Lite hunch
It is strange that people think because he had a few resonable (mildly obvious) predictions that he got close to being right that he is on target here . Maybe, he will be, but I personally am predicting that this will end up being different drive sizes (since that is the easiest way to cut costs to get the device down to a planned price). I think there was somebody (was it Resetra, I can't remember) that did a cursory count of his predictions and found he was batting well below .250. I think even Patchner has around .250 batting average and will all know how wrong he can be. And like you said people like you (even others in no way attached to the market themselves) predicted that the Lite would be a device and did so long before this guy put in a blog/podcast. Edit: will people from here follow my every words as truth, if this turns out to just be a SKUs related to storage sizes as I have predicted. I am just saying, I will be batting a 1000 at that point. :)
That wouldn't be a problem for Microsoft as they could just simply release a new console that was more powerful than the PS5 Pro after seeing what the final specs are. Price is going to be everything at the start. As long as Microsoft has the right price point at the start of next gen they will be fine, because they still have another platform they release all their game to...its called Windows 10 on PC and it can go beyond that of any gaming console if one wants to put the money into it. PC always ensures that Microsoft has the best hardware to deploy games on for gamers. After seeing what the PS5 Pro is capable of (if it existed), Microsoft simply readies a more powerful console for the following holiday season in 2021 at the appropriate price point and now both Sony's consoles are obsolete in the power discussion. I agree with others. The launch titles and what each companies studios are bringing to the table will play a more important role. Not trying to sneak in another box before launch.
You mean exactly what microsoft did when the ps4pro came out? A year later an a clearly more powerful console in the xbox 1 x and Sony still continued to outsell microsoft
Yeah...just like that actually. The difference would be that we wouldn't be talking about a system that already cemented itself in the generation like PS4 did by the time Xbox One X came out vs PS4 Pro, but a generation very much young with hopefully a more competitive price point and library by team Xbox at the start. I personally dont care too much about hardware sales...as long as Xbox is more competitive this time round. PS5 could still sell more, and Microsoft could still have the more capable console that plays games better.
Except that the One X rumors started months before the first PS4 Pro rumors started and the Pro was just Sony's half-assed and pathetic attempt to try and counter that, and they still managed to screw it up by rushing out a weaker console with awful Pro-patch support.
Lmao just go read cerny reveal interview. The ps4pro was never meant to be drastic overhaul. They kept the same memory same but added 1 gb ddr for background purposes acpu and basically added another gpu to the system. I'm not sure where you got the rushing out part. It hit the price point sony wanted and released when sony wanted. And again for a supposed half assed rushed console it sure has out done a full revamped true 4k system. Please tell me what game that release close to the launch and after the launch that didnt get pro support. Not to mention the boost mode. Stay salty
PS5 will be faster than next xbox.
Miss Cleo is that you?
I think this is based on air rather than concrete fact.
MS chasing after Sony constantly isnt going to give them an kind of edge in the market. The x1x didn't give them an edge, and unless MS matches or exceeds Sony at the start of the gen, its unlikely theyll gain any advantage. MS just isn't thought of in the same way in the console market, and power is not a major factor in peoples decision making. It might influence some people, but there are other factors which help drive people to a particular system.
“ Your fanboy is showing. Let's ignore all 3rd party games that look and perform better on X and just go with a blanket statement.” Most people still buy 3rd party games on on xbox regardless. Ps4 is almost irrelevant at this point.too some people lets not pretend i know alot of people that just own an xbox and have never had any interest in ps4 or the exclusives It works both ways you know I will buy the pro version day one if available do it sony mind you i can not see them doing it
Actually most 3rd party games sell better on the PS4. Publishers publish their financial results and they clearly shows that most of their games sell best on Sonys console. As for calling the PS4 irrelevant then the Xbox One doesn't exist according to you if the PS4 hardware and software numbers are bad.
Show me a third party game that sold better on the xbox compared to ps4. . .
Titanfall 1, clearly a fallacy on my part but does accurately answer your question.
As if the PS5 doesn't already have enough advantages over M$'s future dust collector.
Which console I buy will come down to price point. I won't spend over £450 for a new console unless it is bundles with additional items. Games pass ultimate maintaining its current value could potentially swing me to favour microsoft, providing their exclusives hold up.
Do we even know the so called specs for ps5 pro if there is? Would it match the performance of 2080gtx? Since the standard ps5 is between 2070 super and 2080?
Remember Microsoft wanted to launch 2 consoles next gen and had to change plans because they were told by devs that the base model lockhart will get more optimization than the Scarlett which would hurt Microsoft next gen even more. So will devs say the same thing to Sony about their 2 console launch plans or is it okay for them to do it without any issues of parity.
"because they were told by devs that the base model lockhart will get more optimization than the Scarlett which would hurt Microsoft next gen even more." When developers said that? What I've heard is that Lockhart was so weak that it would hold other next gen systems back. That isn't due to optimizations or anything.
Yes it does have everything to do with optimization especially with 3rd party games which should run better on the better hardware. And your right devs did tell Microsoft to remove lockhart from launch next gen or they will not take advantage of Xbox Scarlett. But I find it really odd that devs are not telling Sony the same thing.
Rumor was (because that is all we have on this matter) is Lockhart had the same CPU but a different GPU power level. Graphics scale fairly competently, CPU does not. Lockhart had the same built-in silicon features like Havok physics but, the TF were less (somewhere equivalent to the the current X's 6TF). It was designed to be for the 50% of those TVs that will still be 1080p. 6TF is more than enough to give 1080p massive quality jump. 4K is not expected to get past 65% saturation point (in the US at least) until almost half way through this next gen (2024). It was not segregating the quality of game play on the same resolution. One was designed to support the 4K, the other to give a better much cheaper option for those still using 1080p. So, Sony is rumored to have PS5 and PS5 Pro that to seems segregate the experience within the same resolution. Will it mean one gets games at 60fps, the other at 30fps. One gets full on fidelty and the other doesn't? One is never true 4K. It is is one thing to drop down to 1440, 1080 from 4K without changing the overall experience elsewhere. And some here think developers will just do checkerboarding with one system and the other with full 4K. Well, checkerboarding doesn't work like that. It is primarily a design decision. You just don't switch between the two without a lot of decisions and work. That is why games that are designed from the ground up (like Spider-Man with its form of checkboarding or GOW) look great. If you want talk about about a lot of extra work for developers that would be a lot of extra work. Scaling actual resolution experience 4K to 1080p (without special tricks of checkboarding) is a much easier experience (given that he CPU end of things are similar in power). So, I doubt that Lockhart would hold things back because the CPU was supposedly similarly powered. If you want to see something that holds things back that would be a device supporting the same expected resolution holding back the more powerful device and developers trying to work around that 4K experience for each (base vs Pro experience)..
Could I please see your sources? As for optimizations you can still optimize games on multiple platforms. The weaker ones will just run it at lower settings than the more powerful platforms. And each will be optimized to the platforms capabilities. And also where is the confirmation that Sony will release multiple PS5 SKUs at launch with different power levels?
No thats not always the case because some 3rd party devs are lazy and will not take advantage of the premium console. The 1X had these issues with some 3rd party devs. And I didnt confirm anything Im just talking about the rumor of Sonys 2 console launch and calling it a double standard imo because when Microsoft tried it there was a lot of people that hated the idea even devs but now that Sony is flirting with that same idea its cool.
No more of this mid-generation Pro refresh stuff. Please!
You know you dont have to buy it right?