Ys Net is refusing Shenmue 3 refund to backers who switched to PS4 from PC following the announcement of Epic Store exclusivity.
This horrible animated game needs to be cancelled. It's one thing to have a bad game but it's a Bigger problem when you can't release it after 3-4 years and keeping it exclusive to a store.
Your post is all over the place. You start by critizicing the animations. Then you call it bad. Then you say it's taking too long. And then you criticize the epic store exclusivity. And none of those things have to do with the actual topic of the news So what's your problem? The animations? The development time? the overall quality or the EGS exclusivity? Sounds like it's not your type of game buddy
Sounds like his problem is all of the above. This game has been a mess from the beginning and even fans of Shenmue like myself are a bit disappointed that the character models and animations still look like an OG Xbox game.
"how can you have more than one complaint about a game?"
@DaDrunkeJester People like yourself are just looking for negatives. Nothing is going to be perfect for a budget game like this one, you ain't going to get AAA quality. Instead of focusing on that one negative, how about looking at the positives? or are you one of these people that see's one negative and can't see past it? And the whole "it looks like an OG Xbox game" is such a load of pathetic rubbish. It looks nothing like games from that era. Character models, animations, and graphics overall look janky compared to games being made on modern game engines.
@SegaGamer > "Budget game" > Had already secured funding before the Kickstarter. > Got millions of additional dollars from Kickstarter and preorders. > Still not holding the company to account. Fanboy harder.
LOL you must be a big fan of Square Enix track record of releasing games in a timely manor.
this is one of those occasions that make you really hate EGS!
Can we play it before we cry out for the cancellation!? Geezus Christ it’s not like the originals have the greatest animations on the face of the freaking planet.
Exactly why it's a shame they still look like the originals... when it's been how long?
If a person was OK with getting it on PS4, why go for a refund now? It seems like people are trying to make 100 different ways to rectify their situation, and expect the publisher to cater to whatever they may come up with at any given time. It would become a complete mess and logistical nightmare trying to keep all these solutions straight. Further, while it's nice to think that KickStarter refunds should be a thing, they are exceedingly rare, and realistically, it opens the door for people to start demanding refunds for every perceived wrong doing during the production of a game. The fact they're getting any kind of refund, even with stipulations attached, is quite remarkable in itself. No judgement on if that's right or wrong, but the only thing the publisher is really required to give to PC backers, is a PC version of the game. They haven't taken that away, just some people won't accept that PC version now. They backed a PC version of the game, not a Steam release of the game. Maybe they could just cancel the game as you suggest. All those cancelled KS games are known for offering refunds in the past right? Sounds like a good plan to me. Let the publisher lose many millions of dollars, the dev not get to realize what he's been trying to get done for so long, just to satisfy a small portion of vocal people who want to complain that they can't download the game on Steam. Makes sense to me.
So much stupid in one post.
How do you know it’s a bad game?
Speak for yourself. Just go and play something shite you like insted. Im well looking forward for this. And will be my game of the year easy, as ive waited 18 years for this.
Deadly Premonition. Terrible animation, mediocre graphics, limited sound effects and music, completely awesome. Each to their own but a 'store' wouldn't be a deal breaker when it's free to install anyway.
Glad i am going with the PS4 version to begin with this game is going to be fun.
I personally can't wait to mod this game. some 300,000 textures were enhanced for Shenmue 1 and 2. https://www.nexusmods.com/s...
we don't even know what settings the pc version will come with. MODs however sound interesting for this. it would fun to see the type of direction they take it.
Not you can play a crappy outdated game IN HD!!!
Cant wait for this game. Hate all you want, I am glad this is coming!
I backed this game mostly because I really wanted to see it made.....however the rollout has been a bit of a mess and not sure what the final quality will be. Still, paying $30 to give them a chance sounds appropriate 🤷♂️
I don't think all this publishing hubbub will have any affect on the development of the game. The PC release is a bit of a mess. Seems like there are many different solutions that people are saying need to be offered, and then getting upset when the pub doesn't do it. They've been pretty accommodating compared to other instances of botched or cancelled releases on games from KS. I think people don't realize that YsNet put a lot more into the production of this game than all the backers did collectively. Not that backers shouldn't look out for themselves, but that the KS was done to gauge interest in the game being made in the first place. If people wanted a Steam version, they shouldn't have assumed it was going to be on Steam when they backed the game IMO, because that detail wasn't made until after the KS ended. I'll get my version on PS4, and get what I paid for. The people on PC who don't request refunds, or have it changed to PS4, will get what they paid for as well. A PC version of the game.
I feel bad for people who funded this game.
Don't. We're getting the game we've been waiting for for almost 20 years. Only bandwagon backers have the gall to get pissed off about something so trivial. Real fans don't give a shit.
Agreed. Done waiting. Getting the game and that's all she wrote
yeah idiots complaining about an unannounced last minute change that they have no choice in
I care, but it's not something that is going to stop me playing the game. Most of the people getting so angry about this had little to no interest in Shenmue anyway, they probably weren't even going to buy the game. Ever since the announcement of the EGS timed exclusivity, the Steam forum page of Shenmue 3 has been infested with people that aren't even interested in the game. It's like you say, just a bunch of people jumping on the bandwagon. Outrage culture at it's worse.
Ill be getting this game through the Epic Store...its not my ideal place to buy games, but Ive been waiting for this one for 18 years...no way I'm missing it.
That's the most positive attitude i've seen so far. Put the game ahead regardless the platform. I know you're thinking that you're happy enough that this game is being made whatever the condition, other factors are not so important. Good.
yeah good for him get the game support a shitty store and contribute to the negative parts of gaming how positive
Exactly. This issue is way overblown.
I'll be playing it on PS4, and was happy to fund the game. I wasn't waiting for it for 18 years, as I'm not a huge fan of the series or anything, but the legacy of this series and game and it's road to getting made is something of a gaming history legend. I respect the developer a lot for his long history of games he's made...and he's on the level of Miyamoto when it comes to the visionaries of gaming. He's also a very genuine guy, and tends to respect the gamers and community which is becoming a less common thing nowadays. He seemed genuinely humbled by the reception after they announced the kickstarter, and that really is what drove me to back the game. You could tell in interviews that he was truly happy it finally all came together, and seemed to work hard to make the game he promised to make. The storefront is meaningless, and had I chosen a PC version, I'd be fine getting it on EGS, because when playing the game, it's not like I have Steam up at the same time so I can look at whatever it has to advertise to me, or see what others are saying about the game, or whatever.
Y'all remember when Sony "won" an E3 just by showing a crowdfunding trailer for this game, and it wasn't even exclusive.
no but i remember when they won by showing multiple games INCLUDING shenmue 3 i guess you blacked out for everything before and after?
I can’t wait to play Shenmue 3 on PS4. I wish Sony would’ve kept Shenmue 3 away from PC gamers. If your too lazy to download a FREE epic game launch, than you don’t deserve to play this great game.
Always had mine reserved for PS4.
I will probably never understand this whole PC Epic exclusivity. You can still play it on PC right?
Epic is the cool company to hate nowadays, even though in general, they havent done that much wrong. Started with fortnite BR where they lost their dedicated xbox fan base who was upset PUBR suddenly wasnt the big get that they were perpetuating since it was announced. PC gamers havent been invested in epic as much for games since MS took gears off pc. It's funny, because epic was always a powerhouse among gamers, and still sell a lot of games, and are still very influential within the industry. The number of people upset now is vocal, but the actual number of backers upset and wanting a refund is probably pretty small. Backing a game you really want but then get upset it's not on a specific storefront just doesn't add up. Would make sense if it wasnt coming to a console you wanted...like I wouldn't expect xbox players to back it...but nothing is lost on the pc gamer. If they did away with the ps4 limited edition and then said I could only get digital, then yeah, I'd be upset, because I did give more for that LE. But that's not the same scenario.
But that’s all it is right? Where it’s sold? It’s like getting upset if a game is a GameStop exclusive? But they can still play it on a PC
It's about equivalent to GameStop or Amazon getting a game exclusively to sell. I see people complain about it, but not to the level that we see now. On those occassions, there isn't typically pre-orders or backing like there was in this case, and refunds would have been honored for pre-orders if it was applicable.
The more I hear about this game the uglier it's getting. I want to play but these methods are putting me off.
How can you be so bad at handling PR!? Whoever keeps making these decisions is obviously not physically capable of doing the job. After all this time, the last thing you need is incompetent people continuously dragging it through the dirt. I feel like the excitement for this game finally happening has been crushed completely, including mine. The games not even here yet and I already feel like the intention of getting it out was purposefully just a cash grab from its cult following with as little work gone in as possible. Everything they’ve done from start to finish sounds more and more like this was all a scam to begin with.
You're looking at this scenario with the wrong perspective. Almost everything you said is inaccurate, and nearly everyone is blowing everything way out of proportion. - If you backed the PS4 version, you have no right to a refund. Full stop. That's not an issue and not bad PR. The issue is that dumb angry PC gamers rushed to their FanGamer surveys preemptively and switched from PC to PS4 as a knee-jerk reaction when they shouldn't have. Now they're "stuck" with a PS4 version, which truthfully isn't even that big of a deal. It'll probably run better and have less glitches on PS4 as it is. - This game is no cash grab "with as little work gone in as possible" you're talking out your rump and need to promptly stop doing so. Employees are sleeping inside the offices to get as much crunch-time work done as possible. Never trick yourself into thinking "game developers are lazy." You didn't use the word "lazy" but you're implying it. Making large 3D video games is never easy, countless hours of hard work is going into this game, you're not in the office so obviously its hard for you to accept it, but when the game comes out, it will show. - There is no scam going on, it takes time to make video games, its been in development for 4 years, which is completely normal for the past 2 console generations. A demo is literally coming out within a week, and the full game is coming out in 6-7 weeks. - There has been so much misinformation regarding this game attempting to manipulate people into hating it since the day it was announced. Sony never funded the game, unlike idiots would have you believe. This was initially funded by Kickstarter backers, and Shibuya Productions, but they needed more money, so they sold themselves to Deep Silver, and it still wasn't enough, so they had to sell out to Epic, there was no other way. The game wasn't ready to be released for its previous August launch date, it still needed more time, but Ys Net ran out of money. Its sucks, and I wish that weren't the case, but they had to make a hard choice that no one on the internet can be understanding or considerate of regarding their actions. They never wanted to piss people off, but it was the only way to give the game one final delay to polish it.
It's a situation that anything less than complete compliance with every demand they ask for is unacceptable. There is no way to win that kind of PR. You just draw the line, and say, this is what we have to offer, take it or leave it. Take it, get your money back. Dont, get a game code for EGS.
Fair enough I can understand not wanting to support something but you're still getting the same product with no difference not like steam backers who had to go change things
Some people can continue to spend money on a pretty crappy store with no shopping cart button like EGS, but it will not be me. The backers of this game wanted the PC version on Steam. Epic will never want real competition, and their store is still missing basic features. Try to rip on Steam as much as you want, but they actually continue to build. When is Epic going to take some of that Fortnite money and actually make the store much better? Some of you can make all the excuses you want about Epic, and other people will continue not spending money on a store that wants to lock big games for six months to a year on their crappy store that already has a blueprint to be much better than it is.
Get over it you pansies. Much bigger things to get upset over like abortions, vaccinations, gun control laws, Pepsi vs Coke, etc.
Well, they made their choice, they picked PS4 when they could have picked refund. I honestly just think people are looking for a reason to be outraged at this point.
They should of just kept it a PS exclusive, as we all know what the PC gamer crybabys are like.
I think if something had come up with the ps4 release, we would see similar remarks about it. I cant imagine what that might be that could be comparable though. Maybe only giving a digital code for those that backed a physical release. But there were different tiers for that kind of stuff past the base game only option, so they'd have to make a physical copy either way. I feel in that scenario, it would be right to complain however, because we paid more for some of those physical releases. I think a lot of the people complaining may not have even backed the game though. But this kind of thing helps add fuel to the EGS hate train, which is pretty popular among the vocal minority right now. I'd be really interested how many people actually requested a refund, just to compare it to the over all number that backed a pc version
Outrage culture. Why would they need to provide a refund to PS4 players? Don't switch to PS4 if you truly wanted a refund. Tired of these crybabies. A game that we've waited for 20 years is almost out and ppl want to cry about the smallest of things. .
I'm not sure how the pre order system works, but what I think may have happened is that once the money comes in from Pre orders, some of that money gets split between PlayStation and Ys Net or Steam and Ys Net. People decide to switch to another platform, trying to get that money back from PlayStation or Steam is going to be a huge pain in the ass. Also, don't call out the Devs working on the game. I've already encounter a comment on here how the devs are "terrible developers". Devs don't make final decisions for the company. That's like saying "McDonald employees should be ashamed of themselves for removing the Mcdouble from the dollar menu. As if all the employees came to that decision. It's easy to switch platforms when you buy a physical. Store already is buying 30-80+ copies of the game for each platform. The first ones to arrive, they stamp a name for whoever pre ordered it and it's done, the rest of the copies will be sold. Ys Net isn't a store, it's a studio. They can't just say "Hey Sony and Steam, let me generate 10,000 keys and here is your cut". It doesn't work that way. I'm not saying they should never allow you to switch from a different platform, but I think 2 things happen here (this I will be pulling from my ass). 1. When someone pre orders, Steam and Sony automatically get the cut and Ys Net gets the rest. Trying to ask for that money back is a pain, so they are refusing to give refunds. If it was a couple of people, the studio would take the loss and refund people. 2. Ys Net, me, and other people will agree with this. Most people who pre ordered for PC Steam now get their game through the Epic game store. People were pissed they decided to get it on PS4. So let me get this straight. You get mad, because it's NOT on Steam, but on a different launcher that is FREE. Then you decide "I want it on my PS4 now!". You had to pay for that console, takes up physical space and you need to switch yourself from PC to PS4. It's a stupid ridiculous thing that I bet Ys Net saw this and said "No, this crying about how I want it on steam and steam only, not Epic" is really getting out of hand. I don't see people complaining about Super Mario not being on PS4. People accept this a bit because they are 2 different platforms using 2 different stores. PC gamers, they see PC and assume that there is nothing else and Shou be nothing else other than Steam. Who decided that there shouldn't be anything else other than Steam? You guys really need to open your eyes and see that things aren't always going to be the same forever. Steam does not own the PC platform. Dominating a platform is different than owning.
Any epic store exclusive is to be pirated
makes sense. It shouldnt be a problem if you want the game on ps4. Ive gotta say all the people who complain about games being exclusive on Epic store really are the worst fans in gaming. ive never despised any group of gamers more. They are pathetic.
cry babies only wanting to game on steam, if thats the case these fan fauvourite games should skip pc all together
Those players that changed it to PS4 and are now mad about it are idiots. They chose. That's their own fault.
They chose before the option was even available for a full refund. PC gamers have much more options available than a console version does like resolution modding and frame rate
I understand though because there was no option available for refund at the time so many people were forced to switch to PS4. The refund option came after the platform switch. honestly this is why I don't back any Kickstarter project any more crap like this. You take a huge risk with them changing publishers or something and voiding the contract. And remember this is the publishers decision I highly doubt the developers want to screw over their fans intentionally. It's always the publisher that makes these stupid decisions.
They weren't forced. They chose to switch because they couldn't bring themselves to download EGS launcher. Fair enough if they hate EGS, but dont cry about it now.
Yes they were.
Well, yes. The refund options are for PC backers only. If you changed your pledge to PS4 before they announced the refund option, you are a PS4 backer and you're not entitled to a refund.
Why would they refund on PS4 when the issue for the refund is on PC? These people made their choice, it's not Epic's fault.
Advertising it as a steam game, then going epic exclusive is plenty of reason for people to want a refund. PC backers didnt back an epic exclusive. Its shady business and thats the long and short. Bait and switch, pure and simple.
Sucks that a game that people waited over a decade for is getting caught up in so much controversy
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