Not this sh*t again. And no the Netflix gaming model isn’t here.
I like subscription services such as Apple Arcade and Gamepass but there’s a long ways to go before we see if that model proves efficient. There’s also a matter of quality games and not just fillers.
DMCV, Metro Exodus, Bloodstained, Tomb Raider, Forza Horizon 4, Gears 5, Dead Cells, Hellblade, Master Chief Collection, Sunset OD, Ori... are these not quality games? (I could list more, but I suspect you aren't up for an actual discussion on this).
“I could list more, but I suspect you aren't up for an actual discussion on this”
There’s plenty of games that aren’t on the service I might want to play thus making the “Spending $60 on a video game doesn’t make sense anymore” irrelevant.
jester, right now you're in a market which hasn't fully shifted to subscription model yet. basically meaning when the shift does come that's when you can decide if games made for subscription models are quality. the games you mentioned are centered around them first being sold for 60 dollars. of course when the sales dry up they go on game pass. but don't kid yourself thinking they represent what a future of gamepass subscription only would be. you can claim it's not going to change the quality but i suspect that position is out of willful ignorance instead of an actual thoughtful discussion.
Jester those games are also available for full price. Do you think budgets will be as high when they are getting a fraction of those payments? When all they have to rely on is whatever they are getting paid monthly a long with every other developer. Artists have already spoken out about spotify/apple and how it pays next to nothing. You don't think the same thing will happen to developers?
All of those games were made BEFORE Game Pass and not with that in mind. Come back after 5 years of XGP with the MS exclusives going straight onto it day 1 and show me that the quality of those titles hasn't diminished because of it being targeted in development as an XGP game.
Can you share how much each developer gets on GamePass since you're an expert. If the model wasn't enticing or profitable for Developers why do so many keep adding games to it?
Guilty, I don't know how much money and neither do you. But I do have proof of other services. Artists on spotify complain there is no money. Netflix has shovel ware after shovel ware in between 1 or 2 good shows (which they cancel after 2 or 3 seasons because money) why do you think gaming wouldn't suffer the same fate?
They're quality games, but a drop in the bucket compared to the number of quality games out there. Plus, most of them arent coming day one. Unless the sub service is from the publisher of a game, it's unlikely to be economically feasible to offer all these games day one, and I for one do not want a plethora of services when I can just buy the game for $60, and keep it indefinitely without being at the mercy of the publishers on how long I might be able to play whatever they have to offer. I also dont want to have to feel rushed to play a game before its dropped from a service.
I can see how these services may be good, and I won't discount the potential or actual value of one, but it's just not for me
But Netflix doesn't get all new releases either. It's library is also a drop in the bucket compare to the total amount of TV and movies that come out...the "Netflix model" doesn't imply that it gets all new releases day one...it implies that it gets a steady stream of quality TV shows and movies for its subscribers.
The fact that Netflix exist doesn't mean that people stop buying movies in favor of Netflix at every turn...people still buy DVDs and Blu-Rays and boxsets. Same thing here...gamers will mix in full detail price games in with their Netflix-like gaming services.
Xbox GamePass is the Netflix model for games. Yes. there is a ton of games not on the service... There are a ton of movies/TV shows not on Netflix... But there are both a lot of quality games on GamePass and Movies/TV shows on Netflix. TV shows/movies rotate out of Netflix and Games (except 1p games) rotate out of GamePass.
The model IS HERE. How much of a success it will be is the question. But, for the next 3 years, I will not purchase a 1p Xbox title or a top-quality game that is on GamePass.
I understand that. But at the same time, articles like this are positing that games aren't worth spending $60 on anymore. It's devaluing games as a whole, just to promote a different kind of service where the person is content with whatever content these services offer, so why spend even more money just to have more games?
It's akin to saying that a 4K UHD isn't worth $25-30 because of Netflix. While I don't really find movies worth that much, I do buy them because the quality is there, and it's a movie I'd like to own. Not as much as days gone by, and I don't watch movies much anymore, but the value is still there if you do want it.
The problem with Netflix and rental services is that it has reduced the number of places that sell movies drastically. If games are being sold on gamepass then the only places that could sell games are the big ones like Wal-mart and Blockbuster, removing competition altogether. Gamestop going away just powers up the others
"the games you mentioned are centered around them first being sold for 60 dollars. of course when the sales dry up they go on game pass. but don't kid yourself thinking they represent what a future of gamepass subscription only would be. you can claim it's not going to change the quality but i suspect that position is out of willful ignorance instead of an actual thoughtful discussion"
1000000000000% This!!!!!
Once every game by every developer is being built for a common subscription service and that's the only way for you to get to gaming in general, quality will decrease, that's a fact, look at Netflix and the amount of "shovelware" content they release every month, 1 or 2 "high" quality games a year for a yearly subscription of over 100$ it's not worth the sacrifice
"Once every game by every developer is being built for a common subscription service and that's the only way for you to get to gaming in general"
Okay but no one is promoting this as a realistic future in gaming. At this point you're comparable to a person a decade ago throwing a fit about digital purchases destroying physical games and saying that an all digital future is going to to destroy gaming as we know it.
Your scenario hasn't happened, and isn't happening. At best you're just fear-mongering about a fantasy scenario.
"Your scenario hasn't happened, and isn't happening. At best you're just fear-mongering about a fantasy scenario"
This Opinion piece where we're both commenting it's literally called "Spending $60 on a video game doesn’t make sense anymore", I'm just responding to that.
And I'm responding to what you said where you said "Once every game by every developer is being built for a common subscription service and that's the only way for you to get to gaming in general, quality will decrease", I'm just responding to that.
Honestly, most games that release these days are not worth the full price at launch. So in a way I agree with the sentiment of the article. Time for a more varied price range with AA/AAA games at launch.
I think spending 60 depends on the publisher and the devs. Like you know EA's games are never worth 60 because of heavy gambling mechanics and they butcher their own games in favor of gambling. Sony's games are worth every penny because of compelling gameplay and stories. Ubisoft games are worth it for the most part while Activision and Take 2, not so much at all. MS, well if once MS releases quality like Gears across all of their AAA development then most definitely yes. The 60$ isn't created equal in gaming anymore.
I'd say it depends on the game and its quality and I invite anyone to argue against this. I'm not talking about preference, I'm talking about the content and quality of the shipped build.
This. I'd rather pay $60 for AAA titles with the sort of output Sony has had (or for AAA PC titles), than pay for a monthly pass that encourages the platform owner to release just barely enough first party AAA titles to keep people hooked, and a ton of filler garbage thrown in between. Gamepass has offered Forza Horizon 4 and Gears 5 as top tier titles in the last two years. That is all. The rest has been filler and mediocrity. Maybe some solid third party games in there...that I could buy at a steep discount anyway (Tomb Raider for example...I can buy it for $15). People are delusional if they think MS is going to improve much upon that. They have no reason to if people keep paying for it.
People will point to MS studio acquisitions as a sign of future improvement, but there will be a gotcha. They'll either cancel projects as they always have, or they'll jack up the Gamepass rates. Or they'll just hold games off of Gamepass. It'll be something. Watch. Save this post.
I pray we DON'T all end up in this model, because as we've seen, it hurts first party AAA output. I don't want to take part in that race to the bottom.
Sea of Thieves was the first xbox first party game to launch day and date on gamepass, 18 months ago, and so far we have 5 first party games that have launched on gamepass, 3 in the low to high 60s, and 2 in the mid 80 to mid 90s and with Outerworlds, and Ori and the will of the whips launching in the next few months, those numbers are about to skew upwards.
Then we have Halo Infinite, the next gen forza, whatever ninja theory’s working on (2 projects) Wasteland 3, Flight Simulator, Age of Empire, The initiatives project, Psychonaughts 2, Rares next project, and more. Seems to me like it’s helping first party output
While I somewhat agree with you, i feel like Gamepass has proven itself in the quality games department. Many gamers on this site didn't think XGP would have any AAA games on the service at all outside of first party...Microsoft has proven that wrong and then some.
Not this sh*t again. And no the Netflix gaming model isn’t here.
I like subscription services such as Apple Arcade and Gamepass but there’s a long ways to go before we see if that model proves efficient. There’s also a matter of quality games and not just fillers.