Could Sony realistically mirror Microsoft's popular endeavour?
No. Xbox Game Pass Ultimate includes Xbox Live Gold and PC Game Pass for only $14,99 per month, it can be about $60 for 12 months when on sale.
I don't know how Sony could replicate this because I doubt they want to put their games on PC. At the end of the day you get the choice to play your games on two platform with the Gamepass. and on top of that that It all goes down to if Sony wants to continue to charge gamer's $60 to play their games.
Didn't Sony just start publishing games on PC? Not to mention you can already play some of Playstation games on PC with PSNOW
@Ieasy I can easily see Sony doing this if MS is successful at it. Unfortunately PSNOW needs a major re-haul in which I think they will re-haul it. Calling it now PS event in Feb. They'll talk about PS5 details and a new PSNOW service. Sony announced that games will be on PC. So far it seems Sony will publish certain games that will be made on PC and possible release on PS as well.
I wouldn't care so long as they retain the equity of their premier 1st party heavy hitters. Question is, would sony feel they need to do it to compete, and would they possibly make less in the bigger picture if people weren't buying as many games. Having more robust numbers from MS game pass would make it easier to consider if itd be good for Sony, but even then, it's up to sony to decide
I dont think losing their quality first party in order to put them ona streaming service would be a smart move, but if they wanted to, it would be just as easy to achieve as it is for MS.
I honestly don't see how Game Pass is viable for Microsoft honestly. It's basically Netflix, and Netflix is hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars in debt. It feels like something that will eventually implode on itself.
It always bring a smile to my face every time I see angel ice comments of PlayStation EXCLUSIVE games going to PC day one same as Microsoft 😂 🤣 😂 keep dreaming it will happen IF Sony sink 2 gens and the 3rd go a head start and couldn’t keep it 😂🤣😂
Judging by the gears numbers I'm not sure how sustainable game pass is. You need a high number of subscribers for the game providers to get proper payback.
They don't need to put their games on PC. It could simply be an option for the console.
Sony and Nintendo can make a direct competitor to GamePass, but neither company wants to because Sony's exclusives help define their console, and Nintendo's exclusives completely define their console. Xbox as of late has been 1 AAA game (Halo, Forza, Gears), a few AA games, and a few indies per year. Gamepass provides 3rd party games gamers would play, but wouldn't spend money on, plus Xbox first-party which outside of the AAA most of their gamers wouldn't spend money on. So GamePass for Xbox is an easy sale for MS and their gamers. Especially having the lower install base. Sony and Nintendo know their exclusives will do well because Sony's exclusives generally break 1 million in sales, which means most of their games break even and then go on to make a profit and Nintendo budgets are way less for their games so they generally only need to sell a few hundred thousand to break even. And considering both platforms are selling extremely well and both platforms are doing well in software, there is no reason for either company to cut into the millions their exclusives make to hand them out for free. However, if Sony really wanted to compete they could simple update PS+, to add more games and include a PSNow option. Have PS+ cost $60 / $4.99/mo on PS5 and offer 2 PS4 games, 2 PSVR games, and 1 - 2 PS5 games, but also have a $100 / $9.99/mo offer that gives PS+ and PSNow and fill the PSNow library with PS4 / PSVR / PS3 / PS2 / PS1 / PSP / PSV games and the occasional PS5 games with PS5 early access and other features. That would be Sony's competitor. Nintendo is behind on the feature / online aspects of gaming, but if they can expand on their current SNES offering to include best of Wii U, Wii, GameCube, N64, SNES, NES, 3DS, DS, GBA, GB then they could have something as well by giving new life to those games and adding multiplayer features to games that didn't have them before.
@rainslacker "I wouldn't care so long as they retain the equity of their premier 1st party heavy hitters." But you said it wouldn´t be possible for Microsoft due Gamepass service model. How it would be possible for Sony?
You man like PSNow?...
What's the difference? You pay a sub fee, you get access to games
No, like Game Pass.
Psnow is not as good as Gamepass, Stop pretending like it is
Didn't say it was or wasn't, don't put words in my mouth.
No it's not. But it's the same thing except with streaming (though some you can download). You pay a subscription and have a huge choice of games. LITERALLY LIKE XBOX GAME PASS.
Stop pretending that Gamepass is some innovative feature. MS pretty much had to implement something like gamepass, or they would have been left in the dust this gen.
“Didn't say it was or wasn't, don't put words in my mouth.” That is why people request for Gamepass-like service on PS4. “Stop pretending that Gamepass is some innovative feature. ” Umm who say it is? And who say it need to be innovative?
No, as in GamePass where 1st party games launch day and date on the service.
Why would they do that when their games sell amazingly well on their own? Not saying it wouldn't be cool, but it doesn't make sense when they've never had issues getting their games out there.
Because it means they could get subscription money on games that people wouldn't have bought at full price or even $30.
Thats doesn't sound very genuine for a company to do that. Make people pay for a subscription for sub par games they wouldn't normally buy under the guise of - Day 1 1st party games. And don't forget most of the 1st party stuff has been shovelware. I do hope people wake up to ms's tactics, take the blinkers off you lot.
@Oldboy Shovelware? lol I shouldn't even bother responding to this comment. Just because a game doesn't hit the precious 8+ or it's a game you don't like.. doesn't make it shovelware.
What's the GamePass lineup for the next 12 months?
@Knushwood Start with Gears 5? Then there is The Outer Worlds, Wasteland 3, Ori 2, Battletoads, Halo Infinite, Bleeding Edge, Minecraft Dungeons, Microsoft Flight simulator... and then I'm sure a bunch of 3rd party ranging from indies to games like DMCV and Metro Exodus...
Completely missed isarai’s point. People have no problem paying $60 for Sony’s numerous stellar exclusives. If they offer their exclusives day one on psnow, they would have to increase the price of psnow to make up the difference. MS have to offer Xbox game pass at such a low price because their exclusives line up has been mediocre.
DaDrunken - Thank you for lowering your standards and replying. Fact is CD3 is shovelware, SoD2 is shovelware, SoT is shovelware - these are facts. Seems ms has given their subscribers less value than one would believe.
@ ThankYouSir Thank you Sir. I wonder how this will work with the Scarlett launch? The first party launch titles on gamepass with a couple of third party efforts on there too for some big cash in advance?
Both are similar in that you pay a service fee to play games but PSNow is mainly streaming the game with several titles being downloadable (not sure if all of them are) but Game Pass I believe does not have a streaming feature and all titles are downloadable to the hard drive. Not sure if Microsoft will be adding streaming games at a later date. Also, Games cycle in and out of Game Pass but I'm not sure if that's the case with PSNow since I haven't used it since the first few months it was released.
All ps4 games can be downloaded to a ps4. Games do cycle in and out of psnow, but it doesn't seem to be as frequently as game pass. Overall, psnow has more games to choose from. For a while psnow had more downloadable ps4 games than game pass had total games. I dont know if that's still true or not.
I think you can download all the PS4 games. PS3 are stream only. PSNow could easily rival GamePass by giving away all their exclusives and running $1 specials, but that's probably not wise for them given the # of great exclusives they have that people are willing to pay full price for...
@ timing intererpolitatio "All" Not to nitpick but there are 3 or 4 PS4 tittles that last time I checked (in June) that could not be downloaded. Maybe that has changed in the last few months. More games to choose from. Debatable on the PS4 vs Xbox One games. Especially considering PS4 catalog in PSNow will do several overlaps of the same game (e.g. 4 different versions of F1 Racing and even then there is a more recent version of F1 Racing on GP catalog). The quality of this gen content is also important and very deficient in PSNow. the content this gen in comparison can be quite old, lots of filler content and less desirable so in the end it doesn't matter even if you have twice the current gen games in the catalog if the overall is not on the same level as the more supported competitor. And considering that every game GP is local play (including XB and XB360 BC games) you are never dealing with the need for a good internet connection to stream anything. As for more last gen games. Sure, PSNow has more of those but, then again that is the only way you can play them on a PS4. Where as if you own an Xbox360 BC game (or want to buy them) you can and play it locally for free (no GP needed) and not take hit on original quality (PSNow forced 30fps and 720p), no need to worry about the internet working well enough when you want to play or paying to play for something you already own (and 360 BC catalog on Xbox One is greater then 600 games). PSNows' problem is several fold. First, they need to get the pricing down and have a package competitive with GP Ultimate. Secondly, they have decide is it worth having all that PS3 licensing they are paying for. You mention the larger previous gen content in the catalog but that all costs money to retain. Maybe clear a lot of it out and rotate it n more regularly to cut those costs. Thirdly, they actually have to support the catalog with recent content; including their own exclusives (not throw a few exclusive bones in the catalog 4+ years after their release). Finally, Sony needs of course update the streaming capability. The only one I am sure that Sony will try do (as evident with recent talks with Microsoft about suing Azure) is update the services streaming capabilities. They will have to do this at the very minimum in order to compete with Stadia, XCloud and others. However, the other issues mentioned I have a less faith that Sony will do what (IMO) is necessary.
Main thing they need to do with PSNow is to drop the price and then they could compete with gamepass. I like a lot of the games on PSNow but $20 a month is just way too damn much.
A yearly sub of psnow is cheaper than the regular monthly plan from game pass. Dunno if MS has a yearly sub for game pass yet, but dont recall seeing it announced, not seen anyone state a price comparison between the two, so I'm thinking not.
"Well, it’s worth mentioning that the mechanics of the model aren’t all that difficult to implement." I don't really care for it. But if it happens it is what it is. Not going to change the way I game but it would give competition and overtake Xbox game pass because of Sony exclusives and third party support.
Gamepass is incredible and has made me love my Xbox one X. It will be a sad day if retail goes the way of the dinosaur , but tbh as long as I can play the games I want, I dont really care..
EddieNX - That's a ridiculous, contradictory statement to make. You really don't know what's happening do you? Don't worry about dinosaurs - think Trojan Horse.
Let me guess its the cold war era still and the SSR still stands, fall off your Trojan Horse and come to 2019 bud. NOBODY CARES ABOUT PHYSICAL COPIES BESIDES SINGLE PLAYER PLEB LOVERS AND ALOT OF IDIOTS ON THIS WEBSITE... Remember when everybody said the digital era was going to kill music and kill profits for artist. I still see them driving around in a quarter of a million dollar luxury cars and tossing money out like grass clippings. But tell me more about how great a physical disc is, wtf am I going to due with it after 2 years when I stop playing the game? The entire product (physically) is just a waste of materials. But who cares right because the overlords are trying to control you. Lol you ppl are tools literally.
MarkyMark89 - Do you think ms is happy selling 16,000 physical copies in the UK of G5? How does 3 million players over a 4 day launch period, where seemingly most of those are gamepass players - who've paid anywhere from $1 - $15 - how is that a good thing? Now compare that to Spider-Man or God Of War - both selling 3+ million in their first 4 days on the market at $60. Who is better off? That's where the profits are. Let me tell you something bud, putting your games library in complete control of a company as shitty as ms - shows how much intelligence you possess. Next to none. They can and drop games at a whim, and unless you've purchased them - bad luck. Why wouldn't you just buy it in the first place?
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
It really does.. I'll break it down into chunks. -Gamepass is incredible -It's furthered the love for my Xbox - services like Gamepass are inevitably going to compete with and replace retail. -that will be sad -but I'll be fine with it
No...it still doesn't.
@EddieNX don't try to reason with these $ony cuckboys, if $ony had come up with this first they would be all over it. Just enjoy your games and let the peasants peasant
ignorant, unreasonably smug and a foul mouth...classy...
madpuppy - sounds like a typical xbox fanboy to me, they really are a dim bunch.
Nope, most of Sony's exclusives are single player games so once you complete them you are done. You could pay $15 a month and complete them all in 2 months making Sony far less money. And you wouldn't need to renew. MS's exclusives are usually MP focused so a player could be playing Gears for a year or more and their subscription will make up for not paying full price.
"Nope, most of Sony's exclusives are single player games so once you complete them you are done" Are we talking about PS3 or PS4 or just Sony exclusives in general?? Sony Single and multiplayer exclusives: Let's see The Last of us, Uncharted, Killzone, Grand Turismo Sport, Starhawk, Warhawk, SOCOM 4, Resistance, MAG, etc.) Killzone: Shadow Fall Driveclub The Last of Us Bloodborne Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End Knack 2 Gran Turismo Sport Farpoint Hidden Agenda Yeah, I know. PlayStation has steered away from exclusive multiplayer games so much to provide us some amazing single-player experiences. The PS3 era had Gran Turismo, Warhawk/Starhawk, Resistance, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Motorstorm, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Uncharted, MAG, The Last of Us, SOCOM, etc. Even amazing experiences in the PS2 era (the glorious SOCOM days).
Obviously Sony has MP games, what I am saying is most of their exclusives are played for the SP experience not MP. Are you really telling me people are buying TLOF, U4, Bloodborne for MP, seriously? And yes I am talking PS4.
Well Uncharted 4 MP was very fresh and Last of Us MP was phenomenal, not to mention the 16+ million sales. Gears in their best was around 5 million max so, no it's not the same. You don't get Gamepass for MP, you get it for their campaign plus most of the new own Xbox Studios are SP focused.
Besides Sea of Thieves, what Xbox game is only MP? Just because there is a MP component doesn't mean its focus is MP.
It doesn't need to be MP only just MP focused. Halo, Gears, Forza Horzion, SoT all these games are focused on MP.
@Zora I would say that Gears/Halo were played just as much for their SP and Co-op modes as their online MP. Forza Horizon is hardly MP focused, but yeah SoT is definitely a MP game.
zoramax: Maybe to you, but I have always played Halo/Gears mostly for the campaign, funny that you try to infuse your preference onto others. Gamers buy games to have a good experience, be it multi- or single-player. I doubt you have even played Uncharted4/tLoU multiplayer, or you would know they were great and had huge player base.
I play gears 5 for the story
zoromax - No people are buying those for quality single player experiences, with the added bonus of good to amazing MP.
Sony has had huge success selling their games at retail with record breaking numbers. They don't need to put them on a subscription service from day one.
And they have won this gen and many gens using that model because its the model gamers want. Its definately the model i want
no thank you. Sony, please please please just keep doing what you're doing. Following MS is like following a car off of a cliff. Stay on the road and keep the wheel steady my friend. signed Happy PS gamer.
They said the same thing about Office 365
Microsoft has more money than they will ever need. Microsoft's game division may be well behind PS4 in total sales, but even the loudest fanboy on the internet can't deny the money they're making on Xbox, regardless of specific units sold. "Following" good business decisions off a cliff would only land them on a bed of cash. Introducing a game pass-like model would change literally nothing about what PlayStation has been doing. It would only make them more money, which in turn would make Sony's gaming division that much more healthier.
it's like a fine car, you pay for quality. nothing more, nothing less.
This gen, it's almost felt like if your game doesn't sell well on PS4, you did something wrong as a studio. With millions of copies sold per title, exclusive or not, I'm sure some people wouldn't think twice about paying for a subscription, just to be able to have access to that great catalog.
so true. the PS4 is selling an unprecedented amount of software far surpassing any other console in history. obviously selling games is not a problem for Sony with the PS4. can't say the same with MS as to why they resorted to Gamepass
Sure, I'd definitely sub to it and try out games I normally wouldn't ever buy. Sony would make more money from ME that way. This year I haven't bought a single Sony game, but for $15 I would at least try a handful of them.
Exactly, and that is why Microsoft is making a lot more money off Game Pass than the old model. You get the customer subscribed at a low entry cost, and they tend to stay subscribed if the service is good, which I don’t think anyone would disagree with for Game Pass. It’s the same model that works for Netflix and the like. It’s inevitable that Sony will eventually catch up as well. And they’ll make a killing with their great lineup.