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Was Konami Right About Kojima

Death Stranding is weird. Maybe it's too weird? And maybe Kojima was better served when Konami was constantly trying to rein him in?

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isarai23d ago

Yeah, how dare he be creative and try to bring that to the industry. No one wants new ideas, we want the same ol concepts and designs we've been getting since the beginning of video games. Innovation? More like Sinovation amirite? /s

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Nu23d ago

In one of my past comments I provide a YouTube link exposing the God that is Kojima

Spicyram23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

O I remember that video, it was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

Angyobangyo22d ago

One of those sad YT who make click bait videos is my guess.

RosweeSon22d ago

Expose him how he has crazy mad ideas and is a phenomenal developer and is able to turn these mad ideas into fantastic games I’ll take him over Konami or any guff on YouTube any day his games are incredible and he seems like a really decent chap he could have retired years ago

sushimama22d ago

The only thing you've exposed is how stupid you are

trooper_22d ago

Heaven forbid we have creativity in videogames. All we need is pew pew and we’re set!

The amount of hatred towards Kojima is hilarious at best. It’s not that hard to figure out that Death Stranding has a sci-fi feel to it.

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FishTank23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

"Death Stranding is weird. Maybe it's too weird?

Kojima's work is heavily science fiction based.
taking inspiration over the years from James Cameron and Ridley Scott.

Livingthedream23d ago

I agree it's his style of development, he has a very creative mind, but keeping it real this game right now looks bad.

TheEroica23d ago

It's also really effin weird.

DarXyde22d ago

And a lot of Kobo Abe books.

shadowraiden22d ago

@livingthedream how in any way does it look bad? you have interesting characters, very interesting world and we have seen combat which looks very MGS5 which had very good combat.

pinkcrocodile7522d ago

You could never put Kojima in the same talent circle as James Cameron, Riddley Scott, Douglas Adams and H R Giger.

Compared to these guys, Kojima is... "Quite good" that's about it.

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PapaBop23d ago

Honestly though, some creative people do need direction to get the best out of them and their projects. I guess we'll find out if that applies to Kojima but I'll keep on believing in him until proven otherwise. Regardless, Konami weren't right, essentially chaining him up was not the solution regardless of what they thought.

AlexMuncatchy23d ago

This.
Kojima is undoubtedly an "auteur", and people who have wild imaginations like him need some form of limitations, they need restraint. If they don't get it, it can often lead to disaster (we see it happen all the time with movies, for example).

Muzikguy23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

There would just have to be people trying to side with Konami eventually, but no. Konami wasn't right about anything here. Whatever happens now with Kojima is completely on him and I'm sure he's just fine with that. Weird isn't a bad thing. Creativity isn't a bad thing.

AlexMuncatchy23d ago

No one is saying that creativity is a "bad thing". Weird isn't also considered "bad" (it *can* limit the reach of your audience, however) but I suppose that in an industry that has entire studios fold after one "bad" game, it can certainly be seen as "risky" to make a niche game.

I am a huge Kojima fan, but I am not going to lie and say that I'm not concerned, it's because Kojima built this studio from the ground up, and most of the people on his team are not exactly going to tell him that "no".

We will see.

rainslacker23d ago

Just another author that doesn't realize that Konami had Kojima work on several other projects while having him make yet another MGS game which he didn't want to make.

Kumakai23d ago

Of course ppl want new but just making weird shit for sake of being different, with no real continuity of themes or mood isn’t necessarily good. The innovation part comes from making something new and great that has broad appeal... hence the term “game changer”. DS is not a game changer and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was met with mixed reviews.

Not every ps4 exclusive is going to be a masterpiece and honestly the author of the article makes some pretty valid points.

isarai23d ago

Mood is a melancholy acceptance of an apocalypse, theme is basicaly time/life & death, and yes there is continuity. A seperate reality is seeping into our own, and is drawn to people and does something to them that is apparently worse than death, so now the only people left are ones smart/resourceful enough to survive and do something about it (some study, some fight, others police) and you are the courier that transports things between them.

Yeah theres still a lot of vague mysteries leaving everything very obscured but that's what Kojima wants you to figure out when you play the game. A mysterious world is no fun if everything is explained to you.

sushimama22d ago

The points are not valid. It's just pure BS

SolidGamerX23d ago

Right? Constant bitching and moaning from the gaming community for something new different and innovative and then something comes along that is and people rip it apart.

DaDrunkenJester23d ago

Maybe I'm ignorant, but what about Death Stranding is new, different, and innovative? As far as weirdness of the story, it doesnt seem anymore outlandish then some of the MGS characters. Open world exploration? Fetch and literal delivery quests? Heavy story and cinematics? I guess using magical extension ladders as an exploration mechanic is kind of new, but wouldn't a mountain climbing kit and free climb just be easier?

Apparently the way he is implementing online is different, but we dont know the details and really how "innovative" it is. And as for exploring the living and dead world.. shoot I was swapping between the land of the living and dead back in guacamelee lol

But anyway, school me, let me know why I should be impressed. Is it the peeing? Because Conker already did it.

Spicyram23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

"Maybe I'm ignorant,"

Yes, and you're an xbox fan boy, with zero credibility. Why don't you just go and get gears of War 5, and stay out of ps articles?

DaDrunkenJester22d ago

@spicy

You can label me whatever you want but I still can't help notice you dodged the question lol

Neooutlawx23d ago

It's just going to be up to what it is when it comes out. Everything else is speculation based on the dribble of the content we've seen up to now.

From what I've seen, it looks like a faux surrealist fever dream. Doesn't mean a damn up until the thing comes out in its entirety.

Zeref22d ago

Lol just because a game is a new concept doesn't mean that it's innovation. Death Stranding could still be boring af. New concepts don't always work.

WickedLester22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

So what do you suggest? That developers stop trying new ideas and keep making Call of Duty and Assassins Creed clones? Im guessing you are an Xbox guy. Are you happy with the same 3-pillar release loop of Halo, Gears, and Forza over and over and over?

I'm not saying Death Stranding is going to be a masterpiece or anything. It COULD be poorly reviewed. However for anyone right now to make a judgement on the game before ever playing it is silly.

XiNatsuDragnel22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

@Brother
So do you want them to play safe then and create fornite 2?
Off topic: thank you for giving me life and a guild to call home even though you were the bad guy and all I love you brother in a brotherly way now bye bye onii chan have fun with Mavis!

Zeref22d ago

I'm not saying they shouldn't try new concepts lol. All I'm saying is that it's not automatically good BECAUSE it's a new concept.

XiNatsuDragnel22d ago

@Zeref

I never said that risks don't come with rewards at all, some of the best devs take the idea and spin on its head eg Mario 64 and Sly 2, where Sly2 created its own individuality but still uses the idea of Mari0 64.

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spwittbold22d ago

There is such a thing as "Stupid ideas," and Death Stranding looks like one of them.

monochromer22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

If letting us pee and walk around carrying a weird baby is innovation, count me out.

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william_cade23d ago

I can't wait to see what his vision is. I hope I personally find it fun.

sprinterboy23d ago

The trailers of death stranding has me super excited but not gonna lie, I've never clicked with his games mgs etc.
I appreciate his work but it's just never worked for me so I'm going into death stranding with excitement but dread at the same time if it doesn't click with the me.

Bimkoblerutso23d ago

Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat. I respect the hell out of him for sticking HARD to his guns and only ever making what he wants to make and I hope he keeps doing that forever, because it sets a very good example for the rest of the industry.

After the first Metal Gear Solid, though, his games just have not been for me...but I suppose that's kind of the point. TONS of people love his games, so why is it that he can't make them? Why should ANY developers be obligated to filter their vision through a bunch of focus-group BS when people like Kojima can make some of the most idiosyncratic games out there, and people obviously love it to death? Let creators be creative, dammit.

SIdepocket23d ago

Kohima’s games have definitely gotten a little weird as he has gotten older. With the MGS5 games, some of the themes and scenarios were truly bizarre...while I didn’t like the last two games as much as the earlier ones, I can respect that he doesn’t compromise his vision.

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harmny23d ago

this kind of articles is why you get call of duty 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 and games filled with microtransactions. enjoy

AlexMuncatchy23d ago

I disagree. Do you really think it's because of this article that we get those games? We get those games because people buy them. Alot of people. We've gotten microtransactions because Bethesda sold horse armor and people bought it. Publishers are greedy and cater to the largest market possible.

We don't get games like Death Stranding because people don't actually support them, by, you know, actually buying the game. I'd like to see more developers take more risks, but the truth of the matter is that making games takes alot of time, and is insanely expensive. Going off the beaten path, for even a fraction of a second, could lead to a loss of millions of dollars.

Ironically, it's often because big franchises introduce "new" mechanics that people often complain that it's "not battlefield" or it's "not call of duty enough" and absolutely shred it to pieces online.

Articles like this just reinforce a very obvious point: the "weirder" your game appears, without a particular selling point that is seen as "relatable" to others like it, with a story that is immediately known or understood, has the potential to limit your reach to basically your "core" fan base.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see games like this succeed. But this article and the underlying implications that it happily states as "points of contention/concern" is just an honest way of seeing the potential market for this game, and what happens when a very talented game designer has almost zero creative limitations or constraints to make the game that he wants..

harmny23d ago

i know all that and i agree. the n4g community is in denial though. they think dark souls sells 10 times more than cod.
so let me fix it. gamers like the author of the article is why we get games like that

Juusterey22d ago

No
We get micro transactions because they make money
And we get call of duties because they're fun and people like them
Or do you think every problem nwith the industry is caused by questioning kojima?

sprinterboy23d ago

My crystal ball foresees mixed reviews for sure.
Love it or hate it kinda game.
My guess is anyone who hasn't liked his previous work will probably not like it, mgs die hards will love it, gamers who maybe didn't like games like heavy rain, beyond 2 souls, detroit will probably not like it, younger apex, fortnite crowd will never play it, complaints in reviews about cuts scenes being too long, reviews about its not a game BS.
Tbh I hope I like it but I sit on the not a big fan of kojima side (appreciate his work of course)
I just hope it reviews correctly and the kojima die hard articles are honest and not just it's amazing for the sake of it being kojima.
If it's weird , fun, great gameplay mechanics, great weapon wheel, great story etc with what seems to be a new type of game which hopefully feels fresh, new etc then I'm all in but if this new type of game just isn't fun then it just didn't work.

Steppenwolfmother23d ago

I kind of agree with you but I don’t think all the MGS fans will necessarily be blindly into it. I’ve played all the metal gear games since the first one on ps1 and thoroughly enjoyed them, but I’m still not sold on this. It’s pretty, but I’m not sure the gameplay actually looks fun to play. Walking around delivering packages, peeing and soothing a baby aren’t really things I want to do a lot of. If there is more combat maybe, but it’s not indicating there is much so far.

DefaultComment21d ago

Well, I actually respect and apreciate your "crystal ball" mainly because it nails every aspect of the game so far and the reception.

phoenixwing23d ago

such blasphemy against kojima-san, burn the non believer! Seriously though, his games are celebrated because they're whacky or weird.

Snakeeater2523d ago

lost and crazy he only knew how to make a good MGS

isarai23d ago

Yup thats why Snatcher and Zone of the Enders suck and are totally not revered cult classics amirite? /s

Old_Prodigy23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

Right, that's why people are still obsessed with a Playable Teaser to this day.

Juusterey22d ago

And that's why Konami improved and went to new heights the second he left