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Sony WWS Boss Says Some First-Party Multiplayer Titles May Not Be PlayStation Exclusives

Sony Worldwide Studios Chairman Shawn Layden said some first-party titles in the future 'may need to lean into a wider install base'.

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XiNatsuDragnel1703d ago (Edited 1703d ago )

Understandable and its MP titles so good idea but SP needs to be exclusive

Alexious1703d ago

Looks like they finally caved in with crossplay.

bouzebbal1703d ago

Like Sony online entertainment titles back in time. No surprise..

blitz06231703d ago

That's not what crossplay means lol. All this means is they're making their multiplayer games more accessible to reach a wider audience

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Silly gameAr1703d ago

As long as they do it on their own terms, and do it the right way, instead of being peer pressured and forced into the crap, I don't see a problem with it.

All of those, Sony is a meanie head articles for not doing cross play was just dumb and overblown.

Eonjay1703d ago

Sony still has more crossplay titles than any other console and has all gen..
We are just making shit up and creating feedback loops at this point.

PoSTedUP1703d ago

@hentaielmo. That would make my year.

Teflon021702d ago

@HentaiElmo
If they bring Warhawk back I don't need another MP game. LOVED warhawk on PS3. One of the first games I played on it and was still playing it til the end when I finally stopped playing ps3

Unspoken1702d ago

Bring those first party titles to PC. I'm fully ready to support Sony on the PC platform.

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lxeasy1703d ago

Perhaps a sequel to Sunset Overdrive might be multiplat??

UltraNova1703d ago

It would only be fair tbh.

Obscure_Observer1703d ago

@lxeasy

"Perhaps a sequel to Sunset Overdrive might be multiplat??"

Yes, he said multiplayer tittles. It could be Sunset Overdrive 2, a new Uncharted. TLOU, Killzone and very likely Gran Turismo Sport

AnubisG1703d ago

@Obscure_Observer.

None of those are multiplayer titles. They have multiplayer modes but they are SP first. So keep dreaming.

neutralgamer19921703d ago

Why Sony owns the IP now and it's single player

Obsecure

None of them

Obscure_Observer1703d ago

@AnubisG @neutralgamer1992

Uncharted is already avaliable on PC via PS Now and Gran Turismo Sport is a MP focused game!

Silly gameAr1703d ago (Edited 1703d ago )

Obscure is just trying to troll. He thinks he's being slick.

He knows that's not happening. SSOD multiplat though, I don't see why that couldn't happen to be honest. Doubt it would, but so what if it did.

Obscure_Observer1703d ago

@Silly gameAr

"Obscure is just trying to troll. He thinks he's being slick."

No. I´m not trying to troll. I didn´t said TLOU, Uncharted or even Gran Turismo on Xbox, did I?

What i said is that Layden is willing to release first party MP games on PC. I didn´t say DAY ONE releases on PC for any game. If they want a WIDER audience for their multiplayer games they will consider release those games on PC if they think its worth it.

Microsoft is making BIG money out PC and Console gamers on STEAM, Windows Store, Switch and Xbox One. In the near future they´ll be making BIG money out of mobile devices as well.

How do you think Sony will react??? By relying just on PS5 when they already said that Console gaming is a niche and they´ll be aiming for Cloud gaming and now even more on PC gaming?

Wake up! This is business! This is money!

TheUndertaker851703d ago

I'm Obscures defense as well GT Sport was multiplayer oriented before adding single player after launch. Most also agree GT Sports single player isn't even close to the caliber of past GT games.

Ceaser98573611703d ago

LOU , Uncharted are not Multiplayer titles .. lol!
A multiplayer titles is something like Destiny or Overwatch. So Sony may make something similar to these and release them on other plat. But if you are expecting LOU Uncharted then sorry.. Also The older UC games are available on PS now I believe not UC4 .. Also the server from these older games and LOU will be stopped.

The Wood1703d ago

I see a lot of beggars. Just wishing they could get some consistent quality. Project my friends, project

milohighclub1702d ago

Over 1000 hrs in uncharted 4 mp. My go to.

Obscure_Observer1702d ago

@Ceaser9857361

"LOU , Uncharted are not Multiplayer titles .. lol!"

Is that so? If that´s the case, why so greedy?

https://feedback.naughtydog...

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS...

https://www.reddit.com/r/th...

TK-661702d ago

@Anubis

If you think KZ and GT are single player first you're deluded.

Absonite1702d ago

I just don't get the recent fervor with Sunset Overdrive. It was a "cool" LOOKING, but repititive game otherwise...but that's most games these days anyways. To each their own...enjoy.

CanadianTurtle1702d ago

Resistance series should be multiplat. The servers for the game got canned early because of the low player-count. Resistance needs all the help it can get, or else I fear that history will repeat itself. I'm a huge fan of the series and I want to see it succeed. If that means going multiplat, then so be it!

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SamPao1703d ago

I think this just means that PSNow is going to be expanded A LOT, so you have your app and download/Stream games directly to PC for example and be able to play it that way

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SamPao1703d ago

@shaggy2303 But you cant download them yet for the best resolution and everything.

TheUndertaker851703d ago (Edited 1703d ago )

They definitely aren't going to add download capabilities to PC. That would mean there's all PC native versions which would then be EASILY modded & redistributed.

If they did so how would that be any different from Microsoft as they'd be being PC devs again and it'd literally require a PC version of all PlayStation games going forward?

...Why do people think you can't download PS3 games to PS4 with PS Now?

porkChop1703d ago

That would still be PlayStation exclusive because PSNow is a PlayStation service. So that's not it.

They probably mean actual PC releases. I don't know if they'd go the Nintendo route like MS, but I guess that could be a possibility. Though unlikely.

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DJStotty1703d ago

I thought Sony didnt do 1st party MP only? Just SP

IRetrouk1703d ago

They do a few, gt sport, dc universe online, they did do everquest and h1z1 but the company was let go a few years back.

Krew_921703d ago

Don't forget among some listed by IRetrouk they also had Warhakw, Starhawk and MAG at one point. So it's not something they are strangers to.

IRetrouk1703d ago

Forgot about mag, won the Guinness world record for Most Players in a Console FPS with 256 players, was good fun from what I remember.

TheUndertaker851703d ago

@IRetrouk: I have my platinum in it. Was good fun if you had a good team that could work towards a common goal.

That said if MAG were multiplatform I think it'd have stayed around longer. Plus it'd have decreased wait times to get into games. MAG is the one property that should've been multiplatform from the start.

Ironically also a game like MAG being multiplatform could have helped decrease the toxicity involved in fanboy wars. Who cares what platform you're on when 128 of you have the same goal?

AngelicIceDiamond1703d ago

They do but not as much as the rest of the industry. I'vs speculated this but didn't comment on the future of Sony's 1st party because I know how angry everyone gets. Sony's not a charity, they're consumer friendly but they're not a charity. Sony wants profits to stay a float. They don't get caught up on where you need to play the games, they want to see a wider audience for money.

"We must support the PlayStation platform — that is nonnegotiable. That said, you will see in the future some titles coming out of my collection of studios which may need to lean into a wider installed base."

The article never mentioned multiplayer titles but some first party titles releasing on undisclosed platform. (PC no doubt) With each generation transition, company's have to adjust business in order to stay a float. And that's exactly what Sony's doing, can't hate them for that.

DJStotty1702d ago

@iretrouk

DC Universe is on xbox

DJStotty1702d ago

I just assumed with all the bashing MS games get for being MP, that Sony did not do them?

Must have been mistaken

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King Nezz1703d ago

Question is what happens if those multiplayer titles are successful? Will Sony be tempted to bring some of their single player titles to other platforms?

neutralgamer19921703d ago

No you are looking and thinking about it wrong

maybelovehate1703d ago

Why do SP games need to be exclusive? Should they let players with good PC's play a proper game haha

neutralgamer19921703d ago

Not gonna happen exclusives help sell consoles which in return will sell psn plus and other services

DJStotty1702d ago

@neutral

Sony can still sell PSN services without having to own a Playstation, just like Gamepass for PC, you do not need an xbox.

Mr_Writer851703d ago

@XiNatsuDragnel

Agreed. If cross play is a thing then this isn't such a big deal.

esherwood1703d ago (Edited 1703d ago )

‘NEED’? Lol why do you care? It’s so retarded how invested you guys get into these companies. Why does it bother you if other people can play it?

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Kribwalker1703d ago

Hmmmm, starting with MP games, some Sony first party going Multiplat? we are living in some interesting times it seems. It feels a lot like Sony is saying a lot of the same things MS is saying and I don’t know how their diehard fans will react to this. Doom and gloom like when MS has been talking about their games going on other platforms?

I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again. MS was right and the industry is changing and its not just about console sales anymore. It’s all about user engagement. We will see it even more with the new streaming services being released and upgraded PSnow which are gonna make consoles optional and engagement is gonna drive your bottom line.

Direct4441703d ago

The bottom lie is that console sales still matter. I just hope the physical and digital gaming co exist. Otherwise, this will lead to publishers will abuse digital gaming even more.

DaDrunkenJester1703d ago

You're right, that is the bottom lie.

Zeref1703d ago

I think physical will eventually go the way of DVDs, They'll still be around for those who want them but digital will be the main way. 60% of game sales are now digital and it's only gonna grow.

DJStotty1702d ago

Manufacturers are lucky to break even on console profit

IRetrouk1703d ago

Heres the proper quote

In an interview, Shawn Layden, chairman of Sony’s game studios worldwide, said exclusive titles will still be a part of the company’s strategy, but that some games -- particularly multiplayer titles designed to be played on personal computers -- may see broader distribution.

“We must support the PlayStation platform -- that is nonnegotiable,” Layden said. “That said, you will see in the future some titles coming out of my collection of studios which may need to lean into a wider installed base.”

Sony is expected to announce a fifth generation of its popular PlayStation console in the near future. The current version launched in 2013.

Sounds to me more about the pc side of things if I'm honest, I dont mind ps games on pc though, it's just going to lead to more sales, which means more of the games we like. Win win really ain't it.

Alexious1703d ago

PC is practically guaranteed, yes.

DaDrunkenJester1703d ago

But dont most people here have super computers and therefore wouldn't need a console anymore if now they can play all these games on a better platform

IRetrouk1703d ago (Edited 1703d ago )

You would have to ask "those people", im a console gamer, never once mentioned a pc.

DJStotty1702d ago

@Iretrouk

Microsoft have been doing this for years, but got bashed at every turn.

Now Sony might be doing it its ok, and going to increase sales?

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Obscure_Observer1703d ago

@NarutoFox

"Not XBONE but PC"

Just like Xbox Games! They will be released on PC and Switch. Playstation? No!

NarutoFox1703d ago (Edited 1703d ago )

Yep I can play all Xbox games on PC but not Playstation single player exclusives on PC. It won't be on Ni

Obscure_Observer1702d ago

@NarutoFox

"Yep I can play all Xbox games on PC but not Playstation single player exclusives on PC. It won't be on Ni"

Yes, Microsoft will be more than happy to take your money via PC. More the merrier. ;)

NarutoFox1702d ago (Edited 1702d ago )

Can't wait to play it on Game Pass PC for cheap.

timotim1702d ago

"Can't wait to play it on Game Pass PC for cheap."

That's even better, you are directly in their ecosystem using XGP on PC. The options they have for gamers are pretty good, no?

DJStotty1702d ago

@Naruto

Why can't you use PSNow?

https://www.playstation.com...

"Get instant access to hundreds of PlayStation games – the only place to play PS4, PS3 and PS2 exclusives on PC."

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neutralgamer19921703d ago

Krib

No what it means is Sony next generation will have some games with MP focus

Killzone
Resistance
Warhawk
Socom
Mag

This is what they mean. Sony isn't looking to do like ms because they have had success doing it their way. Ms way means 2out of their 3 consoles sold poorly

Sony's way equalled to 3 out of 4 consoles selling 100 plus million and the 4 sold 85 plus million

Here is the biggest difference

Xbox doesn't matter to ms as much as playstation matters to Sony. Basically ms doesn't depend on Xbox income to survive yet Sony made a comeback with success of playstation

Kribwalker1703d ago

So you’re telling me that Sony doesn’t see MS posting record xbox revenue, in a gen when they have half the consoles of the previous gen, less then half the consoles of the competition, but changed their strategy to a play anywhere model and are breaking their own records by doing so, as a potential model to gain more revenue and an avenue that sony would like to move?
We’ve already seen them say they are changing towards a Mau basis, as they’ve stated they are shifting to that, we’ve seen them put PS4 exclusives on PC through PSnow and recently gave their blessing for QD to release 3 previous PS exclusives on the PC, all signs are pointing in that direction, especially with this recent statement

neutralgamer19921703d ago

What exclusives?

QD dreams? you do know epic paid big time. Death stranding was announced as a ps4 and pc title

I am sorry I missed the reports uncharted, horizon, Spiderman, GT sports, days gone, infamous etc are on pc or other platforms

Record revenue right your words not mine

Sony as a company made a come back and made the most money in company's history with success of ps4. Ms and Sony will never be the same one is trying to be EA, Activision and ubi and the other wants to do what has made them sell a pt of hardware and software

Always find it funny when Xbox fans give business advice to Sony

SpineSaw1703d ago

I don't think even the most diehard Sony fan would have a problem with them great single player masterpieces that the Sony WWS produces like BloodBorne, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, TLoU to name a couple coming to PC or even Xbox. As long as it's 3 to 5yrs after they release on the PlayStation platform. Lol

SyntheticForm1702d ago

"I don't think even the most diehard Sony fan would have a problem with them great single player masterpieces that the Sony WWS produces like BloodBorne, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, TLoU to name a couple coming to PC or even Xbox."

Are you kidding? These types are so brand loyal they'd see it as betrayal. You're not talking about normal, happy gamers - you're talking about complete whackadoos. They'd send Sony corp death threats.

Die hard Sony fans would petition, boycott, and run amok all over the internet.

SpineSaw1702d ago (Edited 1702d ago )

@SyntheticForm
Well, funny thing is BloodBorne, God of War lll remastered and TLoU are all on PSNOW PC service and all 3 are 3 to 5 years past release date and none of them "whackadoos" have said a word.
Hey, PlayStation gamers pity the Xbox gamers. The Xbox kids can't and really don't wanna work and to ask them to save a dime to purchase the real gaming console .....lol! Their Moms got them their Xbox and well they don't care enough about little Bobby to throw more money at him to make him happy and let's face it little Xbox Bobby is never gonna be happy anyway. So PlayStation gamer is good with 3 to 5 years of PS exclusives on the PS consoles it's long enough and putting it on the PSNOW PC service is a great way to let little Xbox Bobby have access to some real games. Something he'll never get on his Xbox.

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DJStotty1702d ago

@Krib

It's simple

MS mentions games going on other platforms -"ha ha ha, you have no exclusives, nada nada"

Sony mentions games going on other platforms - "this will be good for the industry"

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Spurg1703d ago

Sony's FP dont even make multiplayer games. Unless they are taking about Chinese games that will come on the system.

Srhalo1703d ago

Weren't you complaining about Uncharted 4 and GT Sport yesterday?

Again, you think this because you have no idea what games Sony publishes outside of God of War and Spider-Man and the big names.

Spurg1703d ago

"Weren't you complaining about Uncharted 4 and GT Sport yesterday?"
You thought that was complaining? It was pointing out facts. They both have MS don't they? Where was the complaint?

Uncharted 4 is a single player game with an after thought multiplayer. GT Sport on the other hand he more multiplayer centric.

"Again, you think this because you have no idea what games Sony publishes outside of God of War and Spider-Man and the big names."

What multiplayer games from Sony FP is at the same caliber as Halo, Gears, Forza COD and Overwatch.
They lost that the multiplayer war back in the 360/PS3 gen. They couldn't compete and absndoned multiplayer in most of their games to concentrate on SP games. You could say that uncharted has a multiplayer mode but it's doesn't have the right balance, progresstion and depth that other multiplayer games like Halo has.

IRetrouk1703d ago

Gt sport is of that calibre, actually been doing better than most of those games you just mentioned, dc universe is still alive and kicking, they used to make everquest too, Sony do plenty of mp stuff, and they say they are planning more, we should get a nice medium between the two.

NarutoFox1703d ago

Hmmm I guess Sony install base (over 100 million units sold) don't really care for multiplayer games that much or as the priority and focus.

Obscure_Observer1703d ago

@NarutoFox

"Hmmm I guess Sony install base (over 100 million units sold) don't really care for multiplayer games that much or as the priority and focus."

I call bs on your statements! You don´t speak for the Playstation Nation! Here´s some cold hard facts for you to deal with:

"The best-selling PlayStation 4 game in July was made by Sony's direct competitor, Microsoft."

"From January to July, "Minecraft" dominated Sony's best-selling PlayStation 4 games list.

Only in February, when major games like "Anthem" and "Far Cry: New Dawn" launched, was "Minecraft" knocked from the top 10. By the next month, "Minecraft" was ahead of both games once again."

https://www.businessinsider...

The irony. A Microsoft first party game. And people still wonder why Sony is gonna make some of their MP first party games avaliable on PC. Smdh.

NarutoFox1703d ago

@Obscure

Calm down. It's Okay to be in denial. Good luck and I hope everything works out with Microsoft.

Thundercat771703d ago

Jumping to conclusions would be very dumb. They could be taking about games as Knack going to mobile or something like that.

People taking this as confirmation that MS is doing "the right thing" are very sick on their minds.

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Zeref1703d ago

But they are doing the right thing...

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Former Blizzard President Suggests Players Should Have Option to Tip Developers

Former Blizzard president Mike Ybarra recently suggested an interesting concept that has sparked a debate among gamers - the idea of being able to tip developers after completing a game.

LG_Fox_Brazil4d ago

If I had a 100% way to be sure that this money would go to a fund or a reserve dedicated only to the guys who develop the games, be them designers, artists, programmers and so on, I could think about it.

But we all know that this 'tip' would only end up in a publisher's CEO pocket to buy a new yacht, so, no, I ain't tipping anyone anytime soon on this industry

neutralgamer19923d ago

Exactly these companies were raising money for good causes and gamers were donation and come to find out they are keeping a good chunk of be pie

PapaBop2d ago

Yeah tip your developer, 5% proceeds go to developer, 95% to the publisher or whoever. Isn't tipping for staff not making minimum wage? How about they just pay their developers properly and like you know, give them fair bonuses? Too much to ask from Blizzard these days, Kotick saw to that and is now laughing all the way to the bank.

MrDead3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

It's the t**ts at the top looking at ways to cut devs wages and get the players to tip them like waiting staff, and I'll guarantee a percentage is skimmed and kept by Activision Blizzard. This is 100% for shareholder and CEO playouts.

Popsicle3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I have to agree with this. On the surface tipping devs sounds like a great idea, but in the end it leads to pay cuts and subsidization of pay. Tips then become an expectation or the devs “can’t make a living.” Lastly, especially in the US, tip culture has gotten out of control, and it serves as an excuse not to properly pay employees. Sounds good but doesn’t end well.

drizzom2d ago

@ Popsicle

I think your right on the nose with how much tipping has become rampant. Instead of it being a relationship directly between the customer and the developer or employee, it now has a middle man ingrained in the system. DoorDash is one example. It ends up becoming a metric where the company can measure 'just how much more money you are willing to part with' before raising the price on the main product.

1Victor3d ago

Uh so they’re trying triple dip or more we buy the game that they’re already withholding/cutting content for dlc we was told that season pass would help the developers thrive we felt for it.
Now on top of all that plus their sales bonus they want tips enough is enough whatever happens to you create/built a good game get a bonus for sales milestones you care about your game and community we reward you with more sales not for doing 3/4 of a game then save the other 1/4 for dlc and passes after

raWfodog3d ago

The 'tip' is me buying your game in the first place.

S2Killinit2d ago

Very well said. If it was possible to send the money to either the developer or some organization for the betterment of gaming, sure. But we all know that will not be the case.

Rynxie2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

No, it would go to those on the top. They will still fire developers, have a bunch of microtransactions, raise prices of games and so on.

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H94d ago

So they eventually don't pay their workers and depend on our tips to pay them like the case with waiters!

Deeeeznuuuts3d ago

That kind of practice is only normal in the states, as far as I know anyway, what a backwards system

H93d ago

No it's as well in a every country that wants to amercanize

bloop3d ago

Ireland is literally the first stop across the pond and we don't have a tipping culture. The only establishments here that would expect a tip are the tourist haunts that Americans visit. Other than that, you might tip in a restaurant as a sign of gratitude for great service and waiting staff would be paid a full wage anyway.

Rebel_Scum2d ago

Tipping is not customary iin most countries dude. Get a passport lol.

Jin_Sakai4d ago

Is this a joke? How about the big wigs giving up some of their pay for their hard working developers.

MrBaskerville3d ago

Maybe the CEO could earn his money based on tips.

mastershredder4d ago

good god. The devs are not baristas dude. Total 1% ideals. Fing Chadosaurus.

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The Reason Sega Lost The 32-Bit War? The 32X, Says Yosuke Okunari

"The company was unable to focus enough on its main hope"

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ApocalypseShadow8d ago

Nope. Going back to the 32X as the reason Sega lost that generation doesn't go back far enough before the Saturn.

Sega executives need to blame themselves as to why Sega lost that generation. Not Saturn. Not 32X. Not Sega CD. Nope. Executives were the reason why. It wasn't the hardware. Those devices were either dropped early or released to soon resulting in a developer backlash the hurt the game catalog. They really shouldn't have been made at all because they should have planned their next move more carefully. It has nothing to do with the devices. Poor leadership decisions and lack of unity within the company are what happened.

Love how blame is always shifted away from what is the truth. Writing a book placing the blame on the 32X isn't the truth.

solideagle7d ago

I am pretty sure there are documentaries (Youtube) around it which highlights these points. I had Sega Mega drive and NES growing up but that's about it. I didn't even know there was a war going on between these companies but I do remember thinking why I can't play Sonic cartridge on Nintendo or Mario on Sega :D

FinalFantasyFanatic7d ago

I had the Genesis and the Saturn, also had the SNES and 64, I never got a Dreamcast for some reason, but I never saw one in the stores either.

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Talking Killer Klowns From Outer Space With The Chiodo Brothers

Chris D. Spoke with the Chiodo Brothers at PAX East about Killer Klowns From Outer Space: The Game and their Career.