AB: "Nintendo has accomplished much with the Switch but while we should, and do, applaud those successes we should also be able to have an honest discussion about the console’s deficiencies."
People have been making excuses for Nintendo ever since they got knocked from the top
what's funny, is they kind of knocked themselves from the top when they backed out of deal with sony......... sony then had hardware which ended up being PS1 - and a giant was born.
They knocked themselves from the top when they decided to use cartridges instead of CD's and because of that FF7 which was announced for N64 64DD went to Sony. Sony has always been good at capitalizing on other's mistakes.
I think their biggest flaw lately is lack of innovation. Think back to N64 and Gamecube, Nintendo was CRAZY innovative, creating games such as Mario Party, Kirby Air Ride, Luigi's Mansion, Super Smash Bros, Paper Mario, Pokemon Colosseum, Mario Sunshine, Banjo and Kazooie, all Zelda games, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Mario Strikers, Mario Baseball games, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Metroid Prime, Fire Emblem, and i'm sure there's even more I am forgetting and that list is already HUGE. I mean seriously just look at that list of games! Soooooo many new IP's and the ones that aren't are older franchises being completely reworked! Truly was Nintendo's golden age. Only things I can think of recently is splatoon and ARMS, with only one of those being any good. Now as much as I LOVE odyssey, and trust me I do, I think it is one of Nintendo's best games in a long time, it isn't the same as the list above, as it is more going back to the older formula of 64 and Sunshine, not quite the innovative burst like from that era, the only innovative rework we've gotten from them was BotW, which a lot of people loved so clearly the community wanted a change, even though I personally think the game is very flawed and people look over these flaws because well... it's Nintendo and they were suffering from Zelda fatigue, I can at the very least applaud them for trying to be innovative again. I think this and Nintendo's terrible online are the two MAJOR problems with Nintendo right now, and the fact that they don't think their online is bad.. is enough to make my blood just boil, and to think there are even "fans" who defend it is even more infuriating. Some people may say Nintendo is behind in hardware, but honestly their hybrid system is unique enough to where it doesn't really bother me, but if they release a Switch 2, then I definitely expect that to be much beefier and closer to what we expect from Sony and Microsoft, although I very much doubt they will take that route..
I always thought it was Sony who decided to go it alone at the last minute so Nintendo went to cartridge as they werent familiar in compact disc tech at the time. Wow this explains the excuses. I thought it was just the overwhelming amount of fanboyism. This has really changed my perspective of the two companies. Must be alot of resentment harbouring there from nintendo. I remember seeing that console hybrid snes with the now what people recognise as the Playstation logo. Edit: I just did some searching. After all these years i thought Sony were the bad guys abandoning Nintendo. The PlayStations birth is from revenge. That is awesome.
you are talking about ancient history...
Sono421, "I think their biggest flaw lately is lack of innovation." What exactly is your metric for innovation? Software? Creating new IPs? Last I checked, after Gamecube, they took the greatest risks and introduced the greatest amount of innovation into the industry. Wii made gamers out of a lot of people instead of sticking to the traditional ways. In case it needs to be said, having a ton of titles from your portfolio to choose from also means you are less likely to see new titles when people ask for sequels. "the only innovative rework we've gotten from them was BotW, which a lot of people loved so clearly the community wanted a change, even though I personally think the game is very flawed and people look over these flaws because well... it's Nintendo and they were suffering from Zelda fatigue, I can at the very least applaud them for trying to be innovative again." So dissenting opinion regarding flaws is due to people just wanting to give Nintendo a pass? The arrogance on this guy... Maybe, just maybe, BotW was just such a good game that the positive qualities far outweighed the negatives - much like the way From Software games are rough around the edges but people enjoy the games that much. You may think people hold Nintendo to a different standard, and there may be some truth to that. But I think you would be a hypocrite to not ask for more unique IPs from Microsoft or more variety from over the shoulder narratives with Sony. Granted, I like Forza and I think Sony studios are great, but you're the one complaining about the lack of innovation, not me. " I think this and Nintendo's terrible online are the two MAJOR problems with Nintendo right now, and the fact that they don't think their online is bad.. is enough to make my blood just boil, and to think there are even "fans" who defend it is even more infuriating. " Who is defending Nintendo's online? I like Nintendo a lot and love their games, but no, the online is indefensible and has somehow gotten worse when the pay period kicked in. Most Nintendo gamers, I imagine, are Smash fans, and the online experience is pretty unpleasant. "I definitely expect that to be much beefier and closer to what we expect from Sony and Microsoft, although I very much doubt they will take that route.." So... you want them to be more like the competition? Doesn't that argue against the innovation you were preaching about before?
DEEHULK - N deciding to use cartridges is WHY they didn't end up partnering with sony.
I think we know how many people on here alone this applies to
I dunno. They took a beating during the N64 and GameCube days. Was a different time though, and the internet wasn't as prolific as it is now.
Nintendo fanboys are the worst.
After frequenting this site for years, I beg to differ.
Nobody is perfect, I adore Nintendo products but I still have plenty to gripe about. While I can appreciate their most recent strategy with the Switch as it appeals and relates to me greatly, I still do wish I could have something more powerful at my disposal. That being said, I am a level headed person who actually understands the limitations that accompany using such a device. Anyone who complains and says they expect PS4 level performance in a device that is a fraction of the size while coming in at the same or cheaper price is clearly just making problems for the sake of it. I am fine with the hardware and know what I am getting with the games that appear on it. That being said, I really wish Nintendo would bring in some different people to handle the online side of things. It really is a mess and they should not be making such a simple thing like voice chat or having friends such a chore to achieve. The eshop is quickly becoming bloated and it is making it hard to find things. So many great indie games are being lost in the shuffle because Nintendo isn't making a better way to highlight these games. Here's hoping Nintendo is at least open to adapting and changing as time goes on. We shall see I guess.
Nuh, they could've released a proper competitive console, power wise, and keep doing what they do best (handhelds with the power of the switch - Switch Lite anyone?) + they could have demanded all games must work both on console and handheld (same as OG ps4/xb1 and Pro/X versions). But then they'd had to really compete in all areas, online included... I agree with the author.
Nintendo has opted to go this hybrid route, makes more sense as it allows all studios to focus on one piece of hardware instead of spreading themselves too thin. Using that mentality, there was no way we were going to get a device that rivaled the PS4 in that small of a form factor along with a screen and respectable battery life for anything close to the price we paid.
@Neon "Opted"... Convinient... We are fast approaching the day were devs will have to make their games work on 8 systems (xb1+ ps4 + pro + X + ps5 + Scarlett + PC and switch if they choose) without hearing so much of a complaint and you're talking about stretching themselves thin and whatnot ? Forgive me but you are making excuses for Nintendo.
@ultranova Neonridr has a point The WiiU failed due to the fact Nintendo couldn't support the 3DS and WiiU. They focus on one platform and they're able to get games out of higher quality. And this doesn't just apply to Nintendo. The PSP and Vita lacked 1st party support, and it's because Sony studios were being spread thin. Now they focus just on PS4 and we get some of the best games this gen. For a console to appeal to gamers it needs games. First party games not only help it stand out, but encourage 3rd party to develop as well. Again let's look at the Switch, it's 3rd party support has been amazing compared to the WiiU and even the Wii. There are many things to bash Nintendo on (joycons, online, stupidly high game prices, lack of decent sales) but Nintendo wouldn't of gotten anywhere trying to match Sony and MS. Price and games. That's what sells consoles, and its why the Switch is catching up rapidly and will over take the X1 before the next Xbox arrives. They cornered the 2nd console market as not only is it cheaper and has more games people want, its also differernt to the others.
@Mr_Writer85 No, no, no You've missed my point. I agree spreading their teams thin supporting two platforms is not ideal. What I'm saying is, again, is that if they had plans to make a portable with the power of the Switch (last gen power) they could have easily entered the fray again with a current gen and competitive console. Their devs would only have to make one version of the game and just port it to their handheld. The exact same way all games work from xb1 all the way up to the PC. This is not a hypothetical statement - Switch Lite is the very proof of that. Lets be honest here, it all comes down to Nintendo being afraid to compete against Sony and MS, this is why they "opted" out of the "hardcore" race. They do not wish to spend a dime more to build the infrastructure required to support a modern day console platform with all the features we've come to expect. They are in to profit from day one with overpriced systems, accessories and games that are never discounted. You guys can make all the excuses you want for Nintendo. I wont judge you, I respect all opinions, but I wont be pretending anymore, no more free passes for Nintendo afaic.
"Lets be honest here, it all comes down to Nintendo being afraid to compete against Sony and MS, this is why they "opted" out of the "hardcore" race. " I wouldn't say afraid, but they know they can't compete. But I don't see how that is a bad thing? Or how I'm making excuses. Nintendo can't compete, Sony and MS are too strong, this isn't a new problem. They went head to head with the N64 and GC and got left behind. They went for the casual market with the Wii and whilst came out on top the revival was short lived. So they tried to go back to hardcore with the WiiU, but couldn't support it, and couldn't get the 3rd parties on board. So now they've gone for the 2nd console approach. And no matter what your opinion is, it's been a huge success. Nintendo have many issues, but the Switch as an idea, isn't one of them. The Switch isn't a home console, or a main console, and that's why it's been successful. However again I 100% agree Nintendo have a lot they need to be called out on.
"I wouldn't say afraid, but they know they can't compete. But I don't see how that is a bad thing? " I dont see it as a bad thing. I see it as dissapointing. My all time favorite console/period was the N64. Maybe its my nostalgia of a competitive Nintendo leads to that. Well thars that. "Or how I'm making excuses. Nintendo can't compete, Sony and MS are too strong, this isn't a new problem. They went head to head with the N64 and GC and got left behind. " No argument there. "They went for the casual market with the Wii and whilst came out on top the revival was short lived. " Coming on top in the Wii's case is subjective when you target the casuals as you put it. They did not compete with the big boys. Pure sales in that regard are therefore subjective. "So they tried to go back to hardcore with the WiiU, but couldn't support it, and couldn't get the 3rd parties on board. " How on Earth was the Wii U a hardcore effort as confusing and underpowered as it was? No no no. "So now they've gone for the 2nd console approach. And no matter what your opinion is, it's been a huge success. " My opinion is that the switch is big success. "Nintendo have many issues, but the Switch as an idea, isn't one of them. The Switch isn't a home console, or a main console, and that's why it's been successful." Never disagreed with that. What my "issue" is with N is that I still believe they can put up a serious fight in the hardcore console space if they wanted, they have the super talented studios and certainly the money needed to do so but simply choose the easy way out. They way of the casuals. Overpriced, underpowered hardware, with expensive accessories and games targeted to a group that doesn't care enough to criticize them. You can blame "old timers" like me who had the luck of knowing a "serious" Nintendo way back when and who are unlucky enough to experience their modern version. "However again I 100% agree Nintendo have a lot they need to be called out on." Indeed they have.
I love how easy and simple piracy is on the switch. Good on Ninty.
it's even running Android now...like a mid-range smartphone that it was supposed to be LOL
Good on NVIDIA. Security on the Switch is actually pretty good. Flaw with the chip, can be done on any device using it, such as Shield TV.
Nintendo continues making boneheaded decisions that consumers on other consoles would rightfully criticize but many a Nintendo fan would defend
Let's add Sony and MS to the mix also.
every time sony says A instead of B, civil war takes place, so no. microsoft is a joke, everyone see that.
They've been getting bashed in the press even for things that aren't even objective mistakes, tf you mean?
Its about the switch though so off topic.
In general, we should stop making excuses for the weakness of every console. Sony needs way better back-end development. Microsoft needs way better game diversity/quality. Nintendo needs to embrace more modern concepts and stop keeping game prices so high for so long and treating their games as the premium product rather than their console.
How dare you not slate just Nintendo. Stop being reasonable.
Let's not add Sony, thanks.
They are a company for children, which was great when I was a child.
Good to know you've realized that Nintendo doesn't personally cater to you.
Another (wannabe) mature person looking for emotional turmoil in photorealistic games chock filled with cut scenes and shallow/no gameplay mechanics?
Nintendo will always remain a corner stone of gaming. While Switch online features maybe lacking it does a hybrid console really well and people love it hence the sales. Its first party exclusives are highly rated and remain one of the highest rated games ever. Nintendo has its shortcomings it has found its focus and does what it does really well. Look at all these fanboys hating in comments.
Well this site is dominated by a certain console fanboys. So I would take less than half of the comments on this article seriously.
What's the point in defending anything when they have good sales numbers?
It’s only natural that people defend what they’re fond of, idk why you’d single Nintendo out in this regard
I agree , also most of Nintendo’s biggest critics are people who actually buy their products. Like the Joy con Drifting issue that caused many users to complain to the point of legal action and now we have free repairs.
Yup, big fan of Nintendo and I'll straight up say the Joy-Con issue is probably one of the biggest flaws a gaming controller has faced in recent memory. I need mine sent in for repair but at the same time it just feels like they will come back and have more issues in another couple years.
I agree. I love the Switch but I hate the Joycon, especially with the drifting issue.
I adore the Switch and I'm not at all concerned about it's hardware power. I do however wish Nintendo would up their game in the online department and someone seriously needs to evaluate their pricing structure. As a multiplatform owner I'd be more than happy to choose the Switch as my console for a number of certain titles but get turned off by the price discrepancies between the eshop and competitor stores. A 5 to 10 euro difference on even small indie titles is common place and pure nonsense
Nothing different from me. I've been criticizing them since the SNES. Never felt a need to buy a console from them after that.
I like my switch very much but damn it sure has a lot of deficiencies. A lot of it is quite embarrassing IMO and a head scratcher but hey you get what you paid for for. At least all functions very good and it has some amazing exclusives.
That's just it. You can like something and still acknowledge it could be better. Switch fans in particular can get quite defensive, but the reality is not everyone is just harping on the Switch for the sake of trying to bring Nintendo down. Some are just pointing out that certain things can be better. Nintendo's stance of not taking anyone's feedback into account is also not helping. There are steps Nintendo can take to make your Switch experience even better, and acknowledging that doesn't have to mean starting WWIII.
"the reality is not everyone is just harping on the Switch for the sake of trying to bring Nintendo down." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ ^^^^ THIS X 1,000,000.000 Look the excuses are just mind boggling. I've seen some on here make excuses for Nintendo being, greedy, shady as f**k, behind the times, cheap & tone deaf. Most long time visitors know what I'm talking about. Complain about Nintendo's bullshit & out come the tears, bitterness, pitchforks & torches. Want a console & not a handheld? 'Hater.' Wish you had a console that is on par with Playstation? 'Fanboy.' Wish you had an online experience that surpasses the original XBox? 'Rome wasn't built overnight!' Wish Nintendo gave out bonus games from THIS century? 'It's only 20 dollars!' Making the case that specs matter & Nintendo platforms would have more games if they kept up with Sony? 'I like Nintendo being different!' Wish you had a traditional controller instead of Nintendo's weirdly uncomfortable & impractical controllers? 'Buy a Pro controller!' Want new franchises that can stand with Nintendo's established last century legends? 'They reinvent their classic franchises & lead the way in gameplay innovation!' It's sad. In case some of the Nintendo cult are wondering I had nothing to do with this article being written or posted.
Anyone who buys a Switch already knows it's not as powerful as the other systems and they are at peace with that. They like it for reasons other than power. This is a clickbait article.
That'll never happen, unfortunately.
People are expecting too much if they think Nintendo should deliver a PS4 Pro/X1X equivalent performing handheld at an affordable price. Sure, they COULD make one but it would be insanely expensive. Nintendo's biggest deficiency is with their network infrastructure. They really should seek outside help in this department. Not only that, they need to quit being so damn slow-footed with their virtual console. SNES titles should already be available.
what are you talking about? the Switch is not even delivering Xbone, let alone PS4's level performance in games and those were released in 2013. and don't even start with their online. the Vita has better online infrastructure than the Switch and THAT thing was released in 2011 and Nintendo fanboys love to make fun of that capable little system. not even the PSN started lacking this much in features on the PS3 back in 2006!
They just need to roll out Virtual Console. That Nintendo Online thing with "free" NES games is not and will never be Virtual Console. The Switch is a perfect system to have a selection of both console and handheld games from various systems released over the years, both by Nintendo and others. They're sitting on something potentially great. I mean, one of Nintendo's greatest strengths is their legacy that extends further back than that of either Sony or MS. Why not celebrate that history by allowing people to access a wide range of games? As a bonus, it would make them more money.
When nintendo fans here and every other forum (I guess) kept saying the WII U was fine and would do ok, despite it flaws and failure, no wonder Nintendo keeps pushing gimped consoles out.
Your comment makes zero sense. People can SAY things all they want. It's what they DO that matters. Sure a lot of people said the WiiU would be fine and do okay, but it sold like garbage. I guarantee Nintendo isn't making decisions based on how many people SAID the WiiU would do well. Lol
Best platform this generation. Shush it.
It's Time to Stop Making Excuses for Sony / MS: Their consoles are too big I need to buy a TV to play I can't play anywhere It's just more power without any real innovation I can't play when there's an energy failure I can't play in the bathroom Am I doing this right?
If you're a grown up and your job doesnt require you to travel extensively, just how much on the go gaming do you really do? Besides that, as much as I love gaming, when I leave my house I "unplug" from gaming. If you are so addicted that you just have to play at home AND abroad, you might need to seek help. Find other ways to occupy your time.
Nice excuses. Good for you, I suppose.
While I'm personally the same way, I can see why some people like to take their games with them wherever they go, especially if they're busy. I fail to see what's wrong with people having hobbies. As 99.99% of my gaming happens at home, the portability aspect of the Switch isn't that important to me, but different people live different lives.
nope, you're just trolling. you're exactly the type of troll that this article is addressing
Really, Nintendo seems to get just as much crap as everyone else. I don't see anyone making excuses about joy-con drift, the WiiU was called a failure pretty much from the off thanks to its confusing advertising, and despite having some of the best games of its gen on it, the Wii was derided for being 'for casuals'. Then I remember the GC being lambasted for having mini discs and no third party support, and even back in the day Nintendo were called idiots for not using CDs and their games being called overpriced because they often cost double what a PS1 game cost. No one has ever made excuses for Nintendo.
Lol ok, absolutely love my switch!
All 3 companies need to fix things about their systems and practices. With that said, I been a gamer all my life and I cant figure out why people dont see why Nintendo is successful. It comes down to one thing as a gamer, casual or hardcore, and that is FUN GAMES!..we play games for FUN!. It is plain and simple, we dont play games to send a message, we dont play games for a fantastic stories(even tho some games have them) thats what books are for, we dont play games for any other reason than FUN! That is Nintendo's Strength, Not high powered console, and non game related services. They are truly the greatest game developers in the world with an unbeatable track record of amazingly fun games. Their record really speak for themselves with the quality and sales of the titles.
The problem is, what constitutes "fun" is subjective, and maybe people prefer games that have good stories, or being able to use network features. Greatest game developers in the world? I respectfully disagree. They were once on top, but that's because they not only understood the industry at the time, but were the trailblazers who played no small part in shaping it. It seems to me that they're all getting old and don't seem to understand the here and now or have enough younger staff to really grasp why certain things are important to modern gamers. They clearly have nostalgics for the "good old days" like yourself entranced and drinking their Kool-Aid to this day. While I do have fondness for the old days of Nintendo, I also personally think they did better in those days. I miss that Nintendo, who had the confidence to compete with the top dogs directly instead of finding an alternate path to success. Most of all, I miss the Nintendo who had a good grasp of the industry, where it was going, and what gamers looked for in a system at the time. If that Nintendo isn't able to come back maybe it's high time their top execs retire and make way for some newbies. Shigeru can stay of course. It wouldn't be the same without him. That's not to say the Switch is a bad console or Nintendo IPs are bad. Far from it. But, is Nintendo's future going to be defined by whether whatever gimmick they put all their eggs into happens to stick and having that change from gen to gen? If you want to speak about their record, the Wii U says hi. That had Nintendo first party games, and it sold less than the Vita. They've made better choices with the Switch for the most part and that's why it has been many times more successful. The Wii U is what happened when Nintendo rested on their laurels like you're suggesting and depended primarily on first party IPs to move systems.
Lets be real, Everything is subjective, fact is, not everyone is going to like everything. In this case you have other ways to define how well something is being accepted. Sales, game scores and the masses, that for some reason people like to act like they dont matter. Nintendo have been putting out quality games since you and I can remember, the track record speaks for itself, like it or not, might not be your cup of tea, but the top notch quality is there. Drinking the Kool-Aid? nah, the games are excellently crafted games, as I said before like it or not the quality is there. If you think this is only about Nostalgia then I should still be loving Sonic the same way I do Mario..right? I should be buying the Sega Genesis Mini instead of the SNES Mini right? How about Atari, I recall having fond memories of playing that as well. Please stop with the 'its only doing well because of Nostalgia', far from the truth...Its because the games they make are FUN..subjectively of course lol..the masses, the sale and review score and product counts buddy. No, Nintendo are defined by their games first and foremost, this is a the cornerstone of their entire company..the massively huge IPS they have and the quality in which they use them, its almost Disney-like. Funny you mention the WII U and left out all the hugely successful consoles they had out of so many. The Wii U didnt fail because of Nintendo's IPs not being masterful, its actually the only reason the system sold what it did sell and almost every IP they released on a bust system sold great...Millions even. If you really look at it, the Switch's message is what set it apart, they have not advance anything highly over the WIi U. The only real difference is they positioned their IP better, no huge droughts and tons of indies to fill the gaps along with portability,all of that is just an accumulation of the direction they were headed and took a lump(Wii U) along the way in developing the vision of the Switch. The online is just as bare as the WII U if not worst, the graphics are not leaps and bounds ahead either...its the IP along with what they do best..Release great games! all about the games..that is a fact. It is what kept them going and being the #1 dev in the world all these years. It shows man, they never had DVD, BR, Robust online, or tons of subscription services on their systems. Yet they manage to sell a gazzilion pieces of software and tons of hardware..no other reason than..you guessed...the games .
If you know that it's subjective don't dismiss other people's opinions while shoving yours on them with your obnoxious "kool aid" buzzword.
@thesoftware730 I never said I disliked Nintendo's IPs. I just think they tend to rest a little too much on their laurels where those series are concerned. Compare that to a company like Sony whose first party studios are constantly pumping out new and great IPs. I doubt Nintendo IPs would sell nearly as well or review as high if they didn't have decades of nostalgia behind them. They're lucky to have such household names under their umbrella, and they know games in these franchises will sell if they release them. I just don't think they're the best out there anymore, and I personally think they had more heart behind them in the old days. There's a reason why I'd rather replay Super Mario World for the billionth time than whatever New Super Mario title is the most current. It's great if you like them, but it's doubtful you would be so fond or defensive of them if years of great memories weren't associated with those IPs. I really don't know what your past with Sonic is. Just being old isn't sufficient for something to be nostalgic for you. You should have a past with that thing or it really isn't something you can personally call nostalgic. Or maybe even you have to admit that aside from the occasional gem like Mania, that franchise has been a dumpster fire for a long time that has been on life support for far too long.
Yeah, tell me what I am supposed to do or don't do. I can think for myself, thx.