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Spencer: Xbox Has to Mean Quality; We've Got Work to do There, 1st Party Output Hasn't Been the Best

Phil Spencer admitted having a strong roster of first party games is important for the Xbox brand and that recent output hasn't been the best.

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Jimboms2155d ago

It's gonna be a good time when Project Scarlett launches!

-Foxtrot2155d ago (Edited 2155d ago )

Really though?

I mean it just comes off like he knows this gen is coming to a close and is, ONCE AGAIN, telling people what they want to hear in order to stick around for next gen so they'll buy the new console at launch. Don did the same with the Xbox 360 when it was coming to the end of it's life.

Sure, they have first party studios now but considering what they are like there's always a reason behind the reason they give. I think it personally has something to do with the gamepass and wanting more studios to create content to fill it in their new approach. Slowly bracing to branch out? Who knows but I'm just going off Microsoft's history as a company with the Xbox brand and toward gaming.

AngelicIceDiamond2155d ago

I mean it just comes off like he knows this gen is coming to a close and is, ONCE AGAIN, telling people what they want to hear in order to stick around for next gen so they'll buy the new console at launch."

Welcome to PR 101. The new I Phone is about to release, they tell its fans what they want to hear same with samsung and every other corporate conglomerate out there. Sony, Nintendo, PC do the exact same thing so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

"Sure, they have first party studios now but considering what they are like there's always a reason behind the reason they give."

This is a tinfoil hat comment. They're doing what they're doing to make content. Stadia is around and Sony is said to bolster what is already an empire of AAA studios is very fearful to MS. Its content is what MS wants.

darthv722155d ago

I'm optimistic that things will be better. Halo 6 is coming so I'm pretty stoked about that.

mcstorm2155d ago

Tbh depends how you look at it. The start of this gen the Xbox has by far the better exclusives but microsoft messed up big time with the marketing. If and its a big if Microsoft can get the marketing, price and games right they could hit the ground running but like any new gen it's if buts and maybes.

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Zeref2155d ago (Edited 2155d ago )

Xbox has been delivering for me. It's an amazing platform. GamePass alone has made my life as a gamer so much better. I enjoyed their exclusives.
I actually liked Crackdown 3. If it wasn't for gamepass i never would have played it because the reviews were mediocre.
My favorite game has been Sea of Thieves. It's the best game to play with friends. Period. No other game compares to the fun you can have with friends in Sea of Thieves.

All the upcoming exclusives i get to play day one on GamePass.

Sure they haven't been delivering on single player experiences but I don't mind waiting for them to deliver on that. Gears 5 is just around the corner and Halo Infinite sounds like it will have the biggest campaign yet.

Sophisticated_Chap2155d ago

People sure have short memories. Phil didn't lead xbox into this generation, but he did bring them back from the brink after the massive damage that Don Mattrick inflicted upon the xbox brand. A lot of good has happened with xbox this gen, including their quality trifecta of well known exclusive games. Phil has acknowledged the shortcomings of their first party games output, in terms of numbers, which is why they made such a massive investment in studio acquisition over the last 2 years. Its time for the nay sayers to grow up, and acknowlegde the facts. Playing or being stupid doesnt get you anywhere.

- Leader of the House

neutralgamer19922155d ago

Sophisticated_Chap

Sure you can believe that but Phil was a very high ranking executive during Xbox 360 so let's not act like he had no say

And whatever Don announced with Xbox one by the end Phil has implemented many of tjose things but under the radar

Obscure_Observer2155d ago (Edited 2155d ago )

@-Foxtrot

Go on pretending that Phil Spencer will enter next gen of Xbox consoles leaving Xbox One in a worst position that he found, on the brink of extinction.

Xbox Studios is now bigger than SIE. Only a fool would deny that Xbox brand under Spencer is not bigger than it ever was

Obscure_Observer2155d ago

@neutralgamer1992

"Sure you can believe that but Phil was a very high ranking executive during Xbox 360 so let's not act like he had no say"

Just bring the source stating that he had a say on always online, DRM, Kinect, Useless Media Discs and so on or GTFO!

sinspirit2155d ago (Edited 2155d ago )

@AngelicIceDiamond

You miss the point entirely. Read the context. We know what PR is. But, that is the point of what everyone has been saying. It is *only* PR and nothing else. We have no historical evidence or patterns to say that they have a confident future. Their deliverance has been low quantity and poor quality with few exception. Sony and Nintendo back up their PR. It's not just fluff and buffering lacking platforms. We don't care about their new studios until they *release* new games that are of high quality.

"They're doing what they're doing to make content". Jesus. Great defense. General statements to distract from their actual performance. That random creek in the woods is also doing what it's doing. The wind is doing what it's doing. But, whether the wind or water flows strongly or weakly doesn't mean they stop "doing what they're doing".

Here's the fantasy portion after your poor general statement. Sony is not fearful. They've closed studios, sold studios, expanded/created studios, etcetera like they always have. They bought Gaikai before these other major players decided to invest into streaming. There is zero evidence of Sony being "fearful" of Microsoft. It's pathetic that you make up arguments based around imagined feelings like this is some highschool he said/she said. Sony is a business that won't stop improving regardless of their competitors. You can't pretend like everything they do is in some way a response from their competitor just because they exist in the same field. Microsoft is following after Sony. That is clear as day. Microsoft got lucky breaks with their entry into the console world by picking up Halo and Fable, then later Gears of War and some other early titles. But, these had nothing to do with being partnered with Microsoft. There is nothing since early 360 years that Sony has directly responded to.

When people say Microsoft's future looks poor. We don't care to hear your excuses and personal PR jargon. Everyone here knows they bought studios, are releasing xCloud, and have a new console on the way. Everyone here also knows and *accepts* that Azure is a failure when it comes to "improving" console performance like they promised, is just like any other server in real world application, and isn't special. Everyone knows that Microsoft has ruined highly acclaimed studios and hampered their development regardless of all the PR that these studio heads have given to assure us they haven't. Everyone knows that they fake tech demos like Milo, Kinect on stage presentations, and greatly exaggerate and stretch the truth of demonstrations like with HoloLens where they won't show how it really is like from the user experience to the audience but show the outer perspective from the stage cameras and with their cloud demonstrations "improving" gaming performance when they had dozens of local servers dedicated to stage demos not at all representative of real world use just to keep buffering the lie that the X1 would ever get these enhancements.

denawayne2154d ago

"Everyone knows that they fake tech demos like Milo, Kinect on stage presentations, and greatly exaggerate and stretch the truth of demonstrations like with HoloLens where they won't show how it really is like from the user experience to the audience but show the outer perspective from the stage cameras and with their cloud demonstrations "improving" gaming performance when they had dozens of local servers dedicated to stage demos not at all representative of real world use just to keep buffering the lie that the X1 would ever get these enhancements."

I looked up the definition of a run-on sentence and this was the example given.

r2oB2154d ago

It's funny reading comments here still blaming the Xbox One's underperformance on Don Mattrick and Xbox One launch policies. That was six years ago. The PS3 launched a year later, higher out of pocket cost, and was faced with the 360 having awesome exclusives in the early years; fast forward 6 years and where was Sony? The reason, GAMES. Some people just need to let go of the launch excuse for Microsoft.

It's nice Spencer is acknowledging their poor first party quality, but let's not kid ourselves here. These studio acquisitions some people are praising is about quantity, not quality. Only a fool, or a fanboy can't see that. You think all those studios are going to be pumping out AAA quality games every 3 to 4 months? Microsoft will relegate most of the studios to make budget games that can fill up the Gamepass catalog. I'll pass, no thanks.

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Godmars2902155d ago

...If they (can) make the games to support/justify it.

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Godmars2902155d ago

???

How does this have "little to do" with the Xbox brand when the article is about the head of Xbox trying to assure readers about the quality of games on Xbox?

This has little to nothing to do with the "feelings" of gamers who only play PS games, which is also a stupid mentality.

As a gamer I have a preference towards story driven SP games, a type of game MS seem to dismiss, so yes, Phil as a rep for the Xbox brand has to do more than talk to get me interested in the brand. Hell, meanwhile Sony needs to backup a bit and not put so much story in their games cause I'm getting tired of that too.

Give me something I can sit down for a few minutes at my own pace and enjoy, rather than something I have to sit through and watch before I can get involved with it, much less be forced to commit time to because all my friends are playing it.

kreate2155d ago

@genkins

What about ppl like me who owns multiple 360, Xbox VCR, one s, and X?

Can I complain? Or am I a PlayStation gamer?
I do have 1 PS4 console.

bluefox7552154d ago

@Genkins With good reason, the better question is, why don't Xbox gamers have a chip on their shoulder? Why are they content getting crap over and over? Why don't they demand more?

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RpgSama2155d ago (Edited 2155d ago )

It's all talk, talk, talk, they have to show, they have to deliver, not tell people about what Xbox needs, even the stones know that the Xbox needs, they need great and diverse first party games in a regular basis (this doesn't immediately means different genres, but at least different IPs), but they just acknowledge it and MS supporters just because Spencer acknowledge it they think that things will change, another generation came and went and nothing changed.

rainslacker2155d ago

So, the "haters" have been saying this for years whole the xbox devour have been saying everything is great, but now that spencer is acting humble and saying that what everyone's been saying for years, it somehow instills confidence that it'll be a good time when scarlett launches?

My question is why bother when they havent tried hard to take care of their customers this gen. Surely there are other companies worthy of you peoples business.

Atom6662155d ago

The overly naive corporate cheerleaders annoy me (and they exist for all systems), but being optimistic about something they like doesn't bother me at all.

The problem I see is that many of those "haters" devote a whole lot of time, not in discussing why they enjoy a product, but making sure people know that they DON'T like that thing enjoyed by others.

That's stupid to me. Anyone who has followed gaming long enough knows that there are always highs and lows. I've personally been disappointed by Nintendo, Sega, Sony, and Microsoft over the years. I'm still optimistic about them, though.

So to answer your question: I think they've tried hard, but screwed up quite a bit. If they don't offer me something I want in the future, I'm glad there is competition that can step up and take my money. I just personally remain optimistic that all systems, pubs, and devs deliver kick ass content.

I suspect quite a few of the people you describe would be happier if only their preferred corporation succeeds.

rainslacker2155d ago (Edited 2155d ago )

I can't speak for others. But I'm severely disappointed in my xbox purchase this gen, and I will take every opportunity to express it. If I play that off other peoples optimism, then it's because i question why they're so optimistic, because what reasons I do occassionally see seem like theyre optimism based on potential positive events coming to pass sometime in the future, and not based on any historical or current trend which proves or even gives faith that MS will do better at all.

There are a few who just like the brand and dont make it into more than it is, and can be respectful, and I respect their opinion, but they're usually the same ones willing to admit failings of the brand as well

darthv722155d ago (Edited 2155d ago )

Rain, we can agree on some things and disagree on others but I have to ask. Why does it bother you if someone enjoys something that you may not? It's not like their enjoyment changes or somehow negates yours. Wouldnt it be better to just let each person do their own thing?

I dont believe you are guilty of this but there are others who just cant let that be. They have to tear down someone else because they like something the other one doesnt. I mean that certainly isnt right and yet they dont care and will continue to do it because of this mob mentality.

Little do people realize we are all in the same hobby for the same reasons. We may just have different teams we like but we can at least respect that we are all into playing games that are fun and appealing, no matter who or the game.

I'll admit that I haven't enjoyed the xbo experience as much as the 360 but it has still been enjoyable for me (key words: for me). Am I wrong for liking games such as Forza, Gears, Ori, SSOD, QB? Or how about that I like games like the Order, Infamous, HZD, Driveclub...? you may see me defend the xbo more than the ps4 but thats only because I see so many who simply hate anything MS does to even give the system a real try. Again, its mob mentality. And I would defend the ps4 if I saw it being abused the same way. As Im sure others would do the same. It just happens that ps4 is the popular kid while the xbo is the nerdy outcast. Somebody has to stand up for the little guy that gets bullied.

rainslacker2155d ago

It doesn't bother me if someone enjoys the Xbox. I just question the faith that people put into MS, when MS hasn't done anything that I feel is worthy of such respect.

If someone wants to buy an Xbox next gen, that's fine by me, but if they express that in open forums, I'm going to offer my own counter opinion when I feel like saying something.

Obscure_Observer2155d ago (Edited 2155d ago )

@rainslacker

"My question is why bother when they havent tried hard to take care of their customers this gen."

Tried hard? I really doubt that you would have done a better job than Phil Spencer did in the time he had. (3 years as head of Xbox. 2 years as VP)

You need to humble yourself. You act like good quality games are made overnight when you said yourself that most games exclusive games on Xbox One were developed under Mattrick.

I´m 100% sure that Xbox Scarlett will have much more quality exclusives since it´s all about Phil Spencer´s vision for the console and it´s game and not somebody else´s mess to clean up!

Mark my words!

The Wood2155d ago

Too many flip flops around here. I heard some use way too much energy on Sony's missteps or lack of speed to get in line with some things. . . Meanwhile their console of choice has been failing in providing one of the major lifebloods of any console. . . .quality exclusives. Now one of the higher ups is saying this the narrative is now that the 'haters or naysayers' should. . 'Grow up' 'stop hating' etc.. . . Where's all the 'oh so you weren't wrong' comments. . . . ,nowhere

With Phil and xbox in general there's been way to much 'show' and way too little 'prove' The vitriol will lessen a great deal if ms actually showed commitment for a whole gen for once, not just at the start. Some will never be satisfied. . . Sadly I hear that but what do you say to those who were xbox fans who have flown ship because of the crap output whilst listening to a whole gen of 'promises'?. All this 'we're buying studio's' that some are claiming is the reason things are now great/fixed forget Microsoft has always had studios and its been their ethos and management of many of them and projects with others that led them to where they are now.

Seems all the damage control many die hards were dedicated to doing was a waste now Phil has stated what everyone without blinkers on could see a mile off.

rainslacker2154d ago (Edited 2154d ago )

@obscure

As an xbox customer, its not my job to do spencers job. I never once said I could do better, nor would I want his job. I dont even offer advise on how to do his job, just say hes not providing for me, an xbox customer.

Phil hasn't delivered on the x1. I don't care what all hes doing to set up the next console, or what hes doing to expand the xbox brand. All I care about is that for all his talk, after all the fans saying it takes time, were on the cusp of a new generation with what...yet another gears and halo, with halo being cross gen apparently.

I never act like good quality games happened overnight, but 3-4 years ago, I was the one saying that it would take time for Spencer to get games made. Using that argument against me 3-4 years later when just last year they started expanding falls way flat.

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sushimama2155d ago

LMAO

The Xbox faithful and Xbox can be summed up in 2 words...

"Just Wait"

Just wait till E3.
Just wait till the next E3.
Just wait until Xbox One X launches.
Just wait until Project Scarlett Launches.
Just wait until Crackdown launches, you'll see.
Just wait until you see the power of the cloud.

Just keep on waiting and rewaarding Microsoft with a purchase of their new console because they totally have deserved that right? /S

darthv722154d ago

Seems that phrase was used a lot last gen too.

By PS faithful no less. Funny how the roles are reversed.

rainslacker2154d ago

@Darth

Maybe for a year or two while people wrongly said Sony didnt have any games. The difference is Sony delivered. They didnt retake last gen to bolster the launch if this gen, and still had plenty of good games the first two years of this one.

Everything MS is doing seems more like they're just hoping people will ignore they are only delivering one AAA game a year, and that the rest of their output is mid tier or not very good at all.

They're hoping all this promise of next gen will keep.people excited for the brand, instead of just doing what they should have done years ago, which is not studios or make games for this gen, which would be delivered right around now.

This will be MS third gen where the support for their console waned quickly at the end. I can understand the first because Nvidia forced their hand at the worst time, although it worked out for MS overall. Last gen there wasn't an excuse, and this gen, they've been terrible for 4 years now. What they had leftover from mattrick got cancelled under Spencer, except for SoT and CD3. Unfortunately, spencer didnt replace that with anything substantial except halo and gears and the biannual forza release

DarXyde2155d ago

As always, "we'll see".

Good to see Phil's acknowledgement of the issue, but action matters more. Spencer did also share some overly positive feedback of Crackdown 3, and we see how that turned out. I'm not saying they need to be like Sony and have these grand single player experiences; that would be uncharacteristic of Xbox. They just need to make solid, engaging content that suits their style which I feel they never properly developed. If they prioritize multiplayer experiences, they'll be fine. They just need to be quality experiences. They are currently the only platform holder, in my view, that hasn't really grown into their strength.

TheKingKratos2155d ago (Edited 2155d ago )

I heard this song before

bluefox7552154d ago

What makes you think that? I certainly haven't seen any evidence to suggest as much.

Nu2154d ago

Microsoft is on the right track with buying all those studios. They hopefully perform a complete a 360 next time around

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PhoenixUp2155d ago

The Xbox brand has been active for 18 years and it’s only now that he figured this out?

AngelicIceDiamond2155d ago

Ms probably figured it could stick by 3rd party second party for games. Only good for temporary, but not long term success. MS doesn't own any of those games just borrowing it until it hits other platforms. In some cases it could be permanent, but that still no good for MS considering they have no say on the future of the ip in which we've seen plenty of examples of. Baffling when MS had the best team of execs at the start of the 360 gen still never thought to open up new open up studios, then.

Silly gameAr2155d ago

No, they thought they could throw money at 3rd party publishers and spend all of the money to get the games that were exclusive to Playstation, like Final Fantasy, and they spent 50 million to keep GTA 4 dlc off of ps3. They were so busy trying to win over 3rd party, they forgot about first party.

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AngelicIceDiamond2155d ago

@Silly

Damn that's an extremely good point. That's basically what I was saying, way too laser focused winning 3rd party and didn't bother with what they had, or didn't have first party wise.

Silly gameAr2155d ago

Yeah, I guess we pretty much did say the same thing, but in different ways. Either way it's the same point. MS should have already purchased studios years ago. Buying all of those studios at once just makes them look desperate in my opinion. But, hopefully, they'll do better next gen.

Automatic792155d ago (Edited 2155d ago )

I think were going to see some fantastic games coming from all console makers in the next 12-18 months.

jznrpg2155d ago

I know what I’m getting in the next year. Just got Fire Emblem today , Astral Chain in’s august Death Stranding and Luigi in Fall. Daemon X Machina Ghosts of Tsushima ,TLOU2 and Cyberpunk 2077 . Those are the games I want the most off the top of my head in the next year or so

Automatic792147d ago

@jznrpg

Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3- Switch
Astral Chain- Switch
BlairWitch- Xbox One X
Gears 5- Xbox One X
Outerworlds -Xbox One X
Call of Duty-Xbox One X
Starwars Xbox One X
Luigi Mansion - Switch

Most Anticipated for rest of year.

jznrpg2155d ago

Hasn’t been the best ? It’s been non existent

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Yoshida claims PS believes Xbox is their only competitor, truth is they don’t have one any more

Former PlayStation boss Shuhei Yoshida claims PlayStation still believes Xbox is their only true competitor, not Nintendo.

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Terry_B18h ago

True, they have pretty different audiences..and some People just have both at home or a PS and a PC that emulates more or less everything from Nintendo.

Knightofelemia17h ago

Xbox hasn't been a competitor since the XB360. Last generation and this generation Sony has been running circles around Xbox. As for Sony vs Nintendo Sony runs circles yes but I don't really see Nintendo as competition. Nintendo does their own thing and it works.

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Lightning7712h ago

Details are important. Console sales yes. Overall games Xbox seems to be doing fairly well in that department.

LoveSpuds57m ago(Edited 56m ago)

MS were doing so well that they had to start selling their games on their main competitors system which in turn results in around 30% of each sale going to Sony as the platform holder.

I do think tjat MS' fortunes will improve now that they are actually selling games rather than giving them away for pennies on the dollar.

Something that occurs to me is that the more success MS published games have elsewhere, the more stark it will become that selling games is much more profitable than renting them. If that becomes highly noticable, I wonder what the shareholders (who ultimately run the show) will make of a service which has stagnated for years?

drivxr16h ago

Console wars are over.

Eventually, everyone else will catch up to this fact.

attilayavuzer15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

I think it's all PS fans have left at this point. Console wars were always a competition for fourth place behind Nintendo, PC and mobile. If Xbox evaporates into a hybrid virtual platform, then PS will be perennially left in last place.

Christopher15h ago

Strange, I recall all those FCC documents and witness testimonies saying the exact opposite... Guess Microsoft doesn't know what it's talking about?

PanicMechanic4h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Great analysis. Just joking.

Pretending like companies give a f about where they “rank” against each other is just super retarded. This isn’t the World Cup.

Tell me, how does “PC” compete against a brand like PlayStation? It just doesn’t make sense at all. What you just said, is complete and utter nonsense

Destiny108016h ago

microsoft wanted to crush sony into dust and they had the money to do it, but with such weak leadership it was always going to fail

Reaper22_15h ago

Had the money? They still have the money but the industry has changed since xbox 360. Microsoft is the number one publisher in gaming. I'd hardly call that failing.

IRetrouk14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

The industry hasn't changed though, just ms, Microsoft was the no1 publisher for a month in december 2024, the actual no1 for fy2024 was tencent if game sales are all that's being counted.

Profchaos14h ago

Money doesn't mean you'll be successful large corporations have entered and failed before like Nec

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The score for the first Plants Vs Zombies is such great, iconic music that it has a timeless quality. Not quite the level of Minecraft, but wonderful in its own right.

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