Bethesda needs to update their Creation Engine

You might not care about such things, but give it time and you’ll begin to feel that maybe Bethesda Game Studios are not doing the best they can with the Creation Engine. It needs some fresh blood.

[NecrumOddBoy]

This is the same old news we have dealt with for nearly 3 generations. Bethesda's game engine is complete garbage.

[harmny]

They confirmed they are updating it. I don't know why this article exists.
But even updated. Mod support and easy modding is why their games run awful. Not the engine.
And since that's what keep their games relevant I don't expect the new ones to be different

[BioShockGX]

I bet it will still look the same even after updated.

[NeedleEye]

They have updated the engine with every new game they have released. And yet pretty much all of the issues that gamebryo is known for still remain.

[harmny]

Bully uses gamebryo. Works great

[Imortus_san]

So is the Souls engine that can never mantain the frame rate, and last gen was running at 10~15 frame a lot of time.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Bethesda needs a new engine for their RPG. However, Bethesda won’t create or license a more advanced engine for their RPGs because they like to recycle code and assists more so than other developers.

[killswitch80]

I don't think you know how developing engines works. Software engineers can take a game engine and modify it enough that it is pretty much a new engine. This is done successfully all the time.

[Ratty]

Finally someone who gets it xD

[sinspirit]

Then what's with anyone making new engines? Why do that at all? You can get more out of it but you certainly gain benefit out of an all new engine. You can design it around multithreading and different architecures or API whereas updating an older one will only do so much for new hardware since working with older code requires even more updating to be done to other things. It can get complex to where further and further updating gets to be too much work and creating a new one is simpler.

If they made it pretty much a new engine.. Then it's not exactly the same engine. There's a reason why it's rare to get nearly an entire engine to be updated thoroughly. Not tweaked. Updated.

[porkChop]

You can only modify an engine to a certain extent. When the core framework/foundation of the engine is out of date or inefficient, it isn't as simple as just modifying it. You do get to a point where you need to create a new engine in order to progress forward. Bethesda has been at this point. Their Creation Engine was just a rework of Gamebryo. It's old, inefficient, and was built for last gen consoles. Bethesda really needs a new engine for next gen.

[killswitch80]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[-Foxtrot]

When the engine they have now can’t even have a player climb ladders (true story look it up) then you can a problem. It’s a small thing but can you imagine how many things they could have done in Fallout or Elder Scrolls with something as simple as climbing ladders within the map, could help create shortcuts and everything you’ll unlock when you reach certain places

[killswitch80]

and all they have to do is modify their current engine...look at all these experts.

[Darkborn]

Why haven't they added in something that's been in games for over a decade then?

[harmny]

You don't understand. Bethesda's number one priority is mods. Not ladders. Mods is the reason Skyrim a single player game launched in 2011 is still played by 20 thousand players on steam. A number current games would kill for.
Yes the performance is buggy and bad. But the mod support is unlike any other game and that's their goal.
Don't think for a minute they'll trade mod support for polish and better performance.
That's what their engine is designed for

[-Foxtrot]

Thing is the mods do things wth the crappy engine that Bethesda say they can't do or is hard to do so why not take some of the best mods out there and either buy them or grab the people who made them to work on the next games.

It's not solution to the problem, more like putting a bandage over it but it would at least offer more creative ways to play in the next instalment

[harmny]

Oh yes I agree with you on that

[Sirk7x]

It's still pretty crappy though. It's like "We're shitty programmers, and we know it, so we'll just give the community the foundation they need to make the game they deserve for themselves."

[BlackIceJoe]

ZeniMax owns Id Software and they know how to make great engines and so Bethesda should work with Id Software to make an engine that works for Bethesda's open world games.

[IamTylerDurden1]

If id couldn't even use id Tech in their own game Rage 2 i have little hope it will become the Frostbite or Decima of Bethesda/Zeni.

[Notellin]

Frostbite is just as bad as the engines we're talking about.

[BlackIceJoe]

I understand what you're trying to say, but you must remember Avalanche Studios made Rage 2 and they like to use their own engine when they make games.

[IamTylerDurden1]

This engine was old during Oblivion, during Skyrim it was archaic, but the fact that they are still creating games with it is a joke. The problem, however, is two fold. First, their rpgs are extremely large and open encompassing many unique systems. The engine needs to be very specific and probably built in-house. Second, they haven't had a reason to dramatically overhaul the engine or create a new engine entirely. FO76 is the first game in God know's how long that hasn't exceeded sales expectations and creating a new engine after 76 would've severely delayed development on ES6. Basically, people continue to buy Fallout and TES games and have given Bethesda little incentive to change. Likewise, critics continue to shower these games with sparkling reviews and GotY awards. FO76 is the first stand in the fight against Creation. I know games like HZD, FFXV, and Witcher 3 aren't as systems driven or as technically deep as the Fallouts and Skyrims but they show us that you can have a visually stunning open world rpg and on a technical side they put Bethesda to shame.

[Jin_Sakai]

“Bethesda needs to update their Creation Engine“

Update? They need a brand new engine built from the ground up.

[killswitch80]

obviously you never saw any of the videos ..clearly showing a massive update to the engine with mo cap

[chrono1205]

I found Todd.

[Jman2]

There's confusion between framework, engine and GamePlay code which causes alot of the rebuild the engine comments. They mostly need to redo the GamePlay code and clean up the framework and engine a bit

[sinspirit]

What? That's external software that records and ports animation data from mocap into their modelinganimation software. It's not a game engine feature.

The game engine has not improved. The hardware it runs on has.

[Exvalos]

Needs a new engine and completely overhauled combat system

[GrizToof]

I think it's at the point that they create a new engine or move on to a well established current engine.

[AK91]

Yes they do but they won’t

[quent]

Yeah with a barrel of acid

[GamesAsAService]

I think this is something most of us have been wanting for a very long time. My first Bethesda game was Skyrim and I was totally in love with the world and experience. But Bethesda is no longer the heavyweight they used to be. The should put some effort in competing with what other companies are doing visually. They have the resources which is why I am always so confused with why they choose not to.

The are at an all time low in terms of brand recognition and loyalty. They need to do something drastic and soon. I love the elder scrolls series and I don't think my heart can take another Bethesda flop. Another title that forces me to make excuses for them due to the nostalgia I have for the games they used to make will really be a let down. And if they do not perform to what we expect as a baseline in terms of visuals, and performance, will really make me question them as a company.

I also never understood why they never went to studios under the bethesda company umbrella to borrow engines, mechanics, and other thing those games do so well.

Why did they never consult Machinegames or iD when trying to improve the gunplay of the fallout games? Or the Dishonored team when looking for inspiration concerning first person melee combat. They can learn alot to improve their games.

In all honestly their environmental story telling leaves me with a feeling that no games have matched for me since playing skyrim, Exploring on my own felt incredibly immersive but they cannot rely on this one aspect to cover their myriad of deficiencies.

Please Bethesda do not let TESVI or Starfield be more of the same. Recommit yourself to a level of quality that so many other companies seem to achieve with ease.

[Lighter9]

Master of understatement.

[Sevir]

They need to throw it away and create a brand new engine or use the Engine Arkane created