NVIDIA officially announces the GeForce RTX 2060/2070/2080 SUPER GPUs, first gaming benchmarks

DSOGaming writes: "NVIDIA has just officially announced its new SUPER graphics cards. As we’ve already reported, these new SUPER graphics cards are enhanced/upgraded versions of the GeForce RTX2080, RTX2070 and RTX2060 GPUs."

[Gwiz]

So ray tracing cheaper " high end "RTX,because not even someone owning a 1080ti is dying to spend money on RTX.

[impet25]

If you got a 1080ti why would you even think of upgrading to RTX. You should be good for like at least 2 or 3 more years. smh.

[_SilverHawk_]

I have aorus 1080ti extreme and I'm not upgrading to another video card until theres a card that can do 8k resolution with ray tracing at 60fps or so. That won't be happening for a while

[mikeslemonade]

I upgrade every TI. 980ti, 1080ti, and 2080ti. I do it so I can sell the old ti for value.

[bradfh]

I haven't spent money on a gpu since my gtx 970 under $350 at retail in 2014 with my 2600k cpu. look like gaming is coming back going to wait for black friday this year until upgrading my computer.

[Gwiz]

That's what i'm saying lol,i'm saying that those buying the early RTX cards were better off waiting.
What the hell did you read?.

So ray tracing cheaper " High end RTX " meaning that there's cheaper high end RTX now
not even someone owning a 1080ti dreams about spending money on a RTX2080ti

[pleasuretokill]

Nvidia thinks that people actually care about ray tracing. For me to care about ray tracing, they will have to have full screen ray tracing (like what Quake 2 demo is running) on new games at almost no performance cost.... so, in other words 10 years from now. Ray tracing is WAY, WAY (I can't stress this enough...) WAAAAAAYYYYYY too resource hogging. I am an "fps over everything" person. So, with my 1080TI, the next card I get will have no problem running 4k/max/60+fps on most games and it will be under $500. I can wait a LONG time for this to happen... oh yeah, and if you couldn't tell from the above, ray tracing doesn't even exist to me.

[sander9702]

Yup lol I got a 1080ti like a month after it came out expecting to sell it after like a year or two but after all these benchmarks I don't see myself trading before next gen.

[MaximusTKG]

You think people are ready to upgrade with a 1080 ti? Ha! My laptop has a 1060 in it and every game I have played so far has been well above 60 fps. I think Apex has been the toughest on my hardware so far and I run a pretty consistent 78 fps. Granted, I have less time for my card to run 60+ fps on games than others but this new card seems like a bit of overkill for now.

[Tech5]

not getting any new hardware until we get full specs for the next consoles.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

Rumors are swirling that the PS5 will essentially be as powerful as a Vega 64/ GTX 1080, which is probably where the RX 5700 (non-XT) will fit in, which is competing against the RTX 2060. I suspect that the RX 5700 will be the Navi chip that is included in the next PlayStation and perhaps the Xbox Two. Anything higher than that, and the price will be too high.

I'm thinking that if you own, at bare minimum, an RTX 2070/ RTX 2060 Super/ RTX 2070 Super and up on the Nvidia side, or RX 5700XT Anniversary Edition/ Radeon VII and up on the AMD side of things, then you will exceed the specifications for the new consoles.

[ABizzel1]

Pretty much what @Sophisticated_Chap said is exactly what you should expect.

New consoles can't cost more than $500 without hurting their sales, and these GPUs are still in the +$300 range. The good news is that the consoles aren't launching until 2020, so Navi 2 and possibly RTX 3000 will be released by then, which means the current GPUs will have a price cut or phased out, so a $200 - $300 APU core for the new consoles should be able to pack that around GTX 1080 performance into it (whether a bit higher or slightly lower depending on clocks).

So As long as you have a 2060 or RX 5700 or higher, then you'll be just fine gaming at 1440p @ over 60fps on PC. The big PC change will probably be ensuring you have an 8-Core CPU, because Ryzen is likely to win back a decent chuck of marketshare from Intel, and Intel is likely to move their CPU lineup to i3 (6-core) i5 (8-core) i7 (8-core+hyperthreading, if they can get over the hardware hacks), and i9 (12-core+hyperthreading).

[tontontam0]

All of the people I know who owned gtx 1080 ti since day one were willing to spend money on RTX.

those people you are referring to are people who bought the gtx 1080 ti at dirt cheap prices they are so late into the cycle the gtx 1080 ti is enough to impress them.

[FlameWater]

Nvidia's version of "would you like some tap water?"

[NarutoFox]

Shit I already invest in the 2070🤦🏻‍♂️

[InflectionPoint]

Right! Why even release the 2070 when they are gonna sell a superior version less than a year later for the same price. AMD has Nvidia shook and they had to, they should upgrade you for free!

[NarutoFox]

I'm going to give them a call about this. Hopefully they can give me an upgrade

[ABizzel1]

Because they had a monopoly on the market, because AMD didn't have a competitior for the original RTX cards, and wouldn't for another year, which is why they jacked prices up as high as they were for the RTX cards.

The Super cards are basically rebrands of the cards that failed to hit core counts to be 2080 ti, 2080's, and 2070's.

Those failed cards still perform and run well, but now they have a years worth of stock of those cards that didn't hit standards, and those failed 2070's are rebranded as 2060 Super, those failed 2080's are rebranded as 2070 Super, and those failed 2080 ti's will be rebranded as 2080 Super.

It sucks for earlier adopters, but at least these Super cards are in a much better price:performance range than the original RTX cards when they launched.

AMD didn't really have NVIDIA shook at all, they were selling the 5700 XT for $50 less than a 2070, which had similar performance (although NVIDIA card generally won overall since most games favor NVIDIA still on PC), but didn't had added benefits like Raytracing (regardless of if it was used or not), so even if the Super cards didn't launch, NVIDIA would have still outsold AMD.

If the 5700 XT was launched at $399 then AMD would have had something on their hands, but here comes NVIDIA with the Super cards and they just stomped the 5700 XT and it's price out of the equation, because for $50 less you can get the 2060 Super which is a tad weaker in general, but again since most PC games run better on NVIDIA it will perform overall neck and neck in benchmarks, offer raytracing, and save you $50.

Or you can spend $50 more than the 5700 XT and get the 2070 Super and flatout beat the 5700 XT in just about every benchmark including those that favor AMD, plus get raytracing, again for just $50 more, and generally beat AMD's current best GPU, the Radeon 7nm and save $150.

I was rooting for AMD, and they killed it in the CPU realm and I will be staying with Ryzen for the foreseeable future, but as far as GPUs go NVIDIA is still king. Even at $399 the 5700 XT is a great card at a good price, but still isn't the flatout steal / win that AMD needed, at this point it needs to be $349, because the old RTX cards will soon hit eBay for $200 - $250 for an original 2060, and $300 - $350 for an original 2070, and $449 for a new 5700 XT isn't going to cut it.

[AuraAbjure]

@NarutoFox look into EVGA step up/trade up program. It's pretty generous and consumer friendly.

[Shane Kim]

This is bs.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

I was really looking forward to Navi, and I was even considering Radeon VII, mainly because I wanted to support AMD in the face of Nvidia's domination of the discreet GPU market.

However, the RTX 2070 Super($499.99)pretty much kills the Radeon VII ($699.99) since it is $200.00 cheaper, and according to bemchmarks released, it hangs right at Radeon VII's performance level, and even surpasses it at times. Unfortunately Radeon VII is a dead card now in terms of value. The 2070 Super also sits at GTX 1080 TI level performance.

Then there is the RTX 2080 Super, which I am super excited to see how that compares to everything on the market. It will essentially be a poor man's RTX 2080 TI, which at the $699.99 price point, sounds good to me.

Unfortunately, AMD is really taking too long with their roll out of their higher end RX 5800 and RX 5900 cards, and I really don't want to wait until next February or March to see what they are going to offer. At best, and unfortunately, i'm betting that they will lag slightly behind the Super lineup, and offer only a $50.00 discount compared to Nvidias cards, similar to what we ar seeing with the RX 5700 series cards, and it just isn't good enough.

So basically, for my longterm solution, I'm looking at either the RTX 2070 Super or the RTX 2080 Super. With speculation abour crypto currency mining making a comeback next year in a big way, I would be concerned about what is going to happen to GPU prices, yet again, so i'm getting mine sooner rather than later.

[SegaGamer]

I feel the same way. I deliberately didn't buy any of the first set of RTX cards at the start of the year because I thought they were overpriced. I made the decision to wait on AMD and Navi, and from what I have read, I don't see much to get excited about. I don't want to wait any longer to buy a new GPU, so one of the new RTX cards will be what I buy. I'll probably get a 2070 Super.

[AuraAbjure]

A 2070 Super is appealing in its own right. Especially because it's capable of NVlink.

[The 10th Rider]

Basically where I am at. I bought a used 1070 for cheap to hold me over until Navi, but Navi isn't looking like anything special so a 2070 super is what I'm looking at.

I'd probably hold out for ampere and to see what Intel's launching if not for the fact that my current GPU presses right against my PSU and I want to get a Zen2, but I don't want to have to put that GPU back in because I'm worried that too much of it could bend the connectors trying to wiggle it in and out.

[ABizzel1]

100% this.

At his point NVIDIA will continue to own the market, and I wanted AMD to really have a win here as well. That being said NVIDIA will just own the market once again, because now the SUper cards are bringing the best performance, and shockingly the best value to the high / top-end market in the $400 - $800 range.

The $200 - $400 range is in shamble right now for new GPUs, because nothing makes sense, however, the used market is about to be flooded with original RTX 2060 ($250) and RTX 2070 ($350), and at those prices NVIDIA is going to dominate the used mid / high-end market, because AMD has nothing to compete here at that price:performance level. 1080's, 1070 ti's should be dropping down to this range as well if you don't care about RTX and want to stay under $300.

At the $150 - $200 we'll start seeing GTX 1070's drop down here especially since they've been $200 for the longest from many sellers, and once again AMD has nothing to compete here, as the 590 gets stomped.

AMD will only be a viable buy in the sub $150 range where they take wins with the 580, 570, 480, 470.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

If they can release these so soon and for that much cheaper than the original RTX line, then all AMD did was blatantly expose Nvidia's overpricing.

[Father__Merrin]

What of the people who just bought an rtx card.? They have just been shafted with a refresh a month after

[InflectionPoint]

Mega shaft, but many stores have a 30-90 return policy you might be able to return and rebuy. Good luck!

[SegaGamer]

A month? RTX cards have been out since September last year, not June this year.

Even so, there was plenty of advise out there to not buy the first line of RTX cards so quickly. If people didn't listen to that advise then that is their own fault.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

Not to mention that everyone knew at least a month ago, that Nvidia were going to be refreshing their GPU line-up. If some is complaining about getting screwed over, then they never researched what they were buying in the first place. For those people, I say stick to console gaming.

[InflectionPoint]

AMD has Nvidia SHOOK.

[SegaGamer]

I don't think so. There has been talk about this kind of thing happening since the first RTX cards were released, it's not like this was really all that surprising. Nvidia basically just waited until AMD revealed their plans and countered it easily. AMD pricing their cards as high as they have has made this an easy victory for Nvidia. The only people that will buy Navi cards now are fanboys and people that find an AMD GPU during a sale.

[InflectionPoint]

You dont think so, while Nvidia has never released a step up to their current generate ever, within a year of release mind you. What is this super line if not a rally cry against AMD. Why release a better version of their card for the same price? For the consumer? Don't make me laugh.

[FlyingFoxy]

AMD's new card isn't bad but priced a bit too high, the Super cards from Nv have basically overshadowed them. There's no reason to get an AMD card unless you have only a Freesync screen.

[Anomander]

Not even that matters any longer with Nividia now doing Freesync on the new RTX cards. I was going to with a NAVI based card, but with RTX now doing freesync and the numbers looking better on the Super cards I'll be making that switch.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

That's just it, if AMD had come in $75.00 - $100.00 cheaper than the RTX cards, they would have taken the GPU market by storm. Many people who study manufacturing costs of Nvidia and AMD graphics cards, feel that AMD would still be making a descent profit margin at $350.00 USD for the RX 5700 XT.

[InflectionPoint]

If I can get a freesync screen for half the price across the board, and a RX 5700 for $100 less than the competitor 2070 Super card, I'm going to go with saving $200-$500 for the combo. No brainer, literally the same performance.

[RizBiz]

I don't understand these cards. Why not drop the price of the base cards instead of just re-branding them with reduced CUDA cores?

[SegaGamer]

Probably because they are worried that nobody will buy these new cards if they drop the prices of their older ones. It sucks, because I was really hoping to get 2070 at a lower price.

[I_am_Batman]

These chips would exist either way to improve yields.

The 2060 for example uses a cutdown 2070 chip (TU106). That way they can salvage more dies from a wafer.
The 2080 uses a TU104 and didn't have a cutdown version so they would have to throw away each chip that didn't meet the quality of a 2080. To avoid that they are using the chips in the 2070S. Traditionally this would've been the 2070Ti. The 2060S is just an inbetween version of TU106 dies that are better quality than a 2060 but not as good as a 2070.

All of this is normal procedure but the question is why didn't they just call them 2060Ti and 2070Ti. The most likely answer is that they wanted to make it sound like it's something different than usual Ti cards to steal a bit of AMDs thunder before the Navi launch. Not that there is all that much thunder to steal anyway with the prices AMD chose for the Navi cards.

[RizBiz]

That or they're huge Dragonball fans.

[FlyingFoxy]

Not bad, certainly a good direction.. Still a bit overpriced but at least it's better.

Personally I'm waiting for the 3000 series, i have a feeling they will be much better for the money, the indicator is that the 2000 series was overpriced and now they have refreshed them, which they don't normally do.

12 months and IMO the 3060 will be equal or better than the graphics in the next gen consoles, so i will probably jump at a 3070/3080 minimum when they release, they should be damn sweet cards for handling 1440p high refresh gaming.

[KaladinStormblessed]

Next gen consoles? The current gen “Pro” and “x” consoles are barely comparable to a 1060, a 3060 is guaranteed to be stronger than next gen consoles.

[I_am_Batman]

What do you mean they normally don't do this? This is nothing but their usual Ti releases rebranded with a new fancy name. The only difference is that the Super cards come in much cheaper than the original MSRP of the standard cards which is unusual but not surprising considering their revenue fell off a cliff after the launch of the Turing consumer cards.

This would've been a good performance/$ to have in fall 2018 when the cards originally launched. Nobody would've complained about a 2080 for $550 or a 2070 for $400 and in fact people would've celebrated these cards. I'm personally not blown away by them coming out with this type of performance/$ one year later after their initial money-grabbing tactics failed.

When it comes to 3000 series we'll have to wait and see. There are rumblings right now that Nvidia's Ampere (3000 series) will be manufactured on Samsung's 7nm node. If that turns out to be true they should be much more impressive than the Turing cards. But how much a card impresses isn't solely determined by performance. Hopefully Nvidia will have learned their lesson and come out with a better value proposition right away.

We'll also have a much better idea what to expect from Next-gen consoles on Sunday when the Navi benchmarks are out. If AMD's internal benchmarks are representative we can expect a 5-10% better performance than the 2070 from the 5700 XT. Clocks on consoles will be lower (probably 1500-1600MHz) but I think we might see a custom 24DCU (2 deactivated for higher yield) design happening which would put the next-gen console SoC within 6% of the 5700XT performance on paper. So If the RTX 3060 is around the 2070 performance then that will be very close to what the next gen console SoC could do in a PC environment. It's likely though that the 7nm node will give the 3060 a bigger performance jump though.