Microsoft Will Have 14 Xbox Studio Games At E3

This is the most first party games Microsoft has ever had at an E3.

[TekoIie]

Off the top of my head the ones we know about could be:

Gears 5
Halo: Infinite
Gears: Tactics
Ori and the Will of the Wisps
Halo: MCC
Battletoads
The Outer Worlds (Does this count?)
Wasteland 3

I could be wrong here and it depends on how you interpret his comment but I don't think he's saying they're all 1st party. Could be 2nd party since he says 'Xbox Game Studios' which would be comparable to saying 'Sony Computer Entertainment'. So we could be seeing some games made by studios outside of their acquisitions. Also worth pointing out that there are only 12 studios under 'Xbox Game Studios' on their website so maybe they've got studios working on multiple projects.

With that said Hellblade was released 2 years ago so it's possible we could get a teaser for their next project, Playground Games is almost guaranteed to reveal something, The Initiative should have a teaser for something at this point but I'm not sure the other studios would be ready yet which is why I lean towards some of them being 2nd party.

Pure speculation but I estimate 6 games we've not heard about unless someone can name something that's slipped my mind. 5 if he's padding it and including Gears Pop! which is what you should expect them to do at this point.

[Nitrowolf2]

Being an Xbox game studio isn’t that 1st party then? Idk much about Xbox

[TekoIie]

When he says 'Xbox Game Studios' he could also mean from a publishing perspective since the division was rebranded from Microsoft Game Studios. Alan Wake was published by Microsoft Game Studios and they're not owned by Microsoft so saying 'Xbox Game Studios games' does not necessarily mean it's 1st party. Death Stranding is a 'Sony Interactive Entertainment' game but it is also 2nd party so it depends on what he means when he says it and it's why I ask for clarification.

It's also why I ask if The Outer Worlds counts because they're not actually publishing the title. If they are talking purely 1st party studios then obviously it does but from a publishing perspective it doesn't. I'm just curious is all.

[TFJWM]

Lots of game is always great. None of them will be tied to Xbox consoles so that is a total plus.

[Brazz]

MS considers 2st party games related to "MS global publishing" as games made by xbox studios. It's something like this:
2st party makes the game > MS Global Publishing gives support > game becomes part of " games made by xbox studios".
Imho, at least 2 games in E3 are going to be 2st party under MS global publishing flag.

[mikeslemonade]

And all on PC

[dcbronco]

If you're one of those fanboys that believes on PC means it's not exclusive you're going to have an exploded head or are going to be doing a lot of backtracking over the next few years. Exclusives are a thing of the past. Those funny cloud streaming thingys mean those games are going to be on a lot of devices. Timed exclusivity is the best you're going to get.

[FanboySpotter]

It should mean first party as he just said "more *first party* games than we've ever had in the show." After mentioning Xbox Game Studios.

[Razzer]

@dcbronco

It isn't a matter of "believing" the games on Xbox and PC are not exclusive. It is simply a fact. Exclusives are not a thing of the past. Say hello to Sony and Nintendo. If they both go multiplat then fine, but until then exclusives are very much a thing and these games are NOT exclusive to anything. Fact.

[pinkcrocodile75]

@mikeslemonade You need to work on your wording.

"And all on pc" should be "And also available on Windows 10 PC Only".

[rainslacker]

Thanks Pink. The masses of PC users who game on Linux and Mac were probably confused.

To people who use this, "It's only on Windows, and that means MS wins", realize that hardcore PC gamers as a whole, don't give a rats ass about the operating system. If Linux had just as much support, and was not quite so unpredictable, and easier for the layman to install/use, and gotten more support overall, it'd have taken over the hardcore PC gaming by now, because with the PC gaming community, there is an actual anti-MS sentiment borne from years of neglect by MS towards PC gamers. Them running back to PC gamers now doesn't mean PC gamers are heralding MS return as a Godsend, and even now, DX12 is struggling against Vulcan because it's far behind Vulcan when it comes to the low level capabilities and support from manufacturers. Which will matter in 2-3 years when those games finally start cycling in, and hardware starts supporting both better.

As far as the casual PC gamer, which like most platforms is more abundant, they also don't care about the OS, and don't get all persnickety about the distinction. They say, "I play that game on my PC". They aren't going around hyping up Windows, or MS, or care either way.

It's one of those things where the only people I see who really care and make a big deal about it are Xbox gamers. However, there are plenty of PC gamers who are willing to play MS games, so it's not a bad thing they're releasing on PC, and in the grand scheme of things, these console wars don't mean much to them. But, that's probably because they are releasing a lot of the games on Steam as well.

[DaDrunkenJester]

A handful of those aren't first party.

Gears 5
Halo Infinite
Ninja Theory new game
Playground Games new game
Forza Next Gen
State of Decay 2 content
Sea of Thieves content
Possible InExile new IP
Possible Obsidian new IP

Ori, gears tactics, gears pop, battletoads aren't being developed by 1st party studios. Wasteland 3 and Outer Worlds would be weird to boast about considering they aren't even publishing those and they aren't Xbox platform exclusive.

[TekoIie]

Eeer I think it's far less than a handful seeing as I only named 8.

"State of Decay 2 content, Sea of Thieves content, Possible Obsidian new IP"

Those are add-ons/updates not games and the Outer Worlds is Obsidians news IP.

"Ori, gears tactics, gears pop, battletoads aren't being developed by 1st party studios."

I literally covered this in two paragraphs in my comment. Read before responding please.

[Imortus_san]

Just like Spider Man on and Shadow of Colossus ps4.

[shuvam09]

Me thinks...

Halo MCC (might be PC gaming show)
Halo Infinite
SOD2 content
SOT content
Minecraft content
Minecraft earth
Gears 5
Gears tactics
Gears mobile
Some forza (FM8/FH4 dlc)
Battletoads
Ori
AoE (might show up at PC gaming)
New Inexile game
New Playgrounds game
New NT game
Maybe Initiative game tease

[Kribwalker]

Moon studios is a weird one. Moon themselves even say on their website that they are a MS First Party since 2011

“In 2011, Moon Studios became a Microsoft First Party Developer and is now working on Ori and the Will of the Wisps.”
https://www.orithegame.com/...

although they aren owner by MS. Maybe it’s some sort of exclusivity deal

[rainslacker]

Xbox Game Studios(formerly Microsoft Studios) is what they call their internal studios and teams of developers.

Microsoft Game Studios for is the moniker for their publishing, which is what you'll see at the start of the game or trailers, and includes both 1st and 2nd party games they release.

For those curious, Sony does the same thing under Sony interactive Entertainment for publishing, formerly Sony Computer Entertainment, however, they have Sony Worldwide Studios they use to refer to their in house publishing teams/studios.

MS in this tweet seems to be referring to 1st party games. 2nd party games tend to not be referred to as an internal studio by them, or I can't recall an instance where they did such a thing.

Ori wouldn't be included under that metric, however, The Outer Worlds could, because technically, they own the studio. However, they aren't currently publishing the game unless something has changed and they brought the rights from TTI(I believe that's who's publishing it)

Generally games being produced by a third party it's not uncommon for either company to refer to it as an inhouse project, although I don't recall them ever referring to the studio as in house. There's also the chance this assumption about what will be shown is all based on how we've historically seen the terminology used. It's not uncommon for tweets to detour from the norm in this regard.

[TekoIie]

"Microsoft Game Studios for is the moniker for their publishing, which is what you'll see at the start of the game or trailers, and includes both 1st and 2nd party games they release."

Except we actually don't know what they mean when they say 'Xbox Studios Games' because the divisions rebrand makes it a confusing term in this instance.

"For those curious, Sony does the same thing under Sony interactive Entertainment for publishing, formerly Sony Computer Entertainment, however, they have Sony Worldwide Studios they use to refer to their in house publishing teams/studios."

And they're also listed as a publisher for games that are 2nd party which if MS goes in a similar route mean 2nd party could be included in that tweet. That's partly why I question the title.

"There's also the chance this assumption about what will be shown is all based on how we've historically seen the terminology used. It's not uncommon for tweets to detour from the norm in this regard."

My main intent for questioning it is that if he does mean 1st party studios then it means that every studio is showing atleast 1 game or some studios are working on 3 projects which makes me think some of those are not worth paying attention to (Could be something like Halo Spartan Assault). Keeping expectations in check as always in case it's the latter :/

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

"2nd party games tend to not be referred to as an internal studio by them, or I can't recall an instance where they did such a thing."

Forza Horizon Series (before Playground´s acquisition)

[rainslacker]

I'm just saying what they've used in the past, and what I said above is based on the new rebranding. They didn't change what those things refer to, just what they're named. I also said I suspect their common practice would still be, because I don't think MS is trying to obfuscate the issue. It's not really that complex. The usage in the tweet may not represent how it's typically used, as tweets sometimes do detour from that. Whether it does here or not, I'm not making a judgement call on.

@Obscure

Forza Horizon was a 1st party game, outsourced to a third party developer. What is commonly referred to as a 2nd party game...although 2nd party can also be something different, like Sunset Overdrive or what not. It's not unlike Spider-Man was a Sony production, but made by Insomniac. To my knowledge, Sony will say SIE for something like that, while I'm not really sure what MS would use. I also don't know if MS ever directly referred to Forza Horizon with either moniker like this. They'd display MGS on the logos at the start of trailers. Sony generally doesn't refer to SWS unless they are speaking directly about them, or it's done by the media itself.

I don't take issue with them calling it part of their internal studios(before the acquisition) if it's a case where its their game, sourced to a third party.

All of what I said may be irrelevant as who knows what means what anymore with social media, where things may change at the drop of a hat.

[TekoIie]

"I'm just saying what they've used in the past, and what I said above is based on the new rebranding. They didn't change what those things refer to, just what they're named. I also said I suspect their common practice would still be, because I don't think MS is trying to obfuscate the issue. It's not really that complex. The usage in the tweet may not represent how it's typically used, as tweets sometimes do detour from that. Whether it does here or not, I'm not making a judgement call on. "

I understand. Just saying I'm confused about the terminology.

[rainslacker]

I wouldn't worry about it too much.:)

I've seen every company say things in tweets, only to come back and clarify later if it became a problem. Even if they mispoke, I don't think it was because they were trying to purposefully mislead. They'll do that at the conference if they intend to do that. If it's interpreted wrong between now and E3, then fan boys will do it for them. but ultimately, at the very least, I'd say they have 14 games to show that they are publishing, and are likely exclusive to Windows platforms. The only exception may be The Outer Worlds, which already has a publisher before the acquisition.

If they have good games to show, then good for them. I'd rather an exciting conference, even if I'm not happy with the XBox right now. There is still life left in this gen, and despite how I come across some times, I wouldn't mind more to validate my X1 purchase years ago. They may even redeem themselves in the next couple years before next gen, although I'm still not going to trust them overall to buy into a next gen console from them.

[Sevir]

The MGS was their brand that published first and second party games, it also encompasses their internal developers from Rare, Turn 10, 343, The Coalition and LionHead. Now that they've been rebranded as Xbox Games Studios, this means that anything developed by their 11 internally owned studios is classified as XGS game...by the same token, anything that is published by MS will have that branding.... So if we see some second party game at E3 from MS listed as an Exclusive that's not owned by them, will likely be the same as XGS game.

[Obscure_Observer]

MY GOD!

If true, people that craps on Microsoft telling that their Press Conference will be filled with third party and indies, are about to SERIOUS disappointment! Lol.

[TekoIie]

Not really. They showed 40 games one year I think? If they showed a similar number this year it would still mean that the majority of games shown are 3rd party or indie. What he's saying here doesn't indicate that the conference will not be mostly 3rd party content or be mostly 1st party.

[chiefJohn117]

I even said "prepare to be surprised"

[Obscure_Observer]

@Tekolie

Of course there will more third party games. I´m talking about Microsoft E3 Press Conference showing 14 first party games, when fanboys said that Xbox would only have Gears, Halo and Forza!

Phil Spencer coming with guns blazing!

https://imgur.com/LhOSOk3

[Rhythmattic]

Obscure_Observer4h
"when fanboys said that Xbox would only have Gears, Halo and Forza! "

Realistically more have said if they do have more than those mentioned games, they all be playable without an Xbox console.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

2nd party is damn near 1st party. Extremely close exclusive partnership.

[dRanzer]

So no gears or halo you say? Lol

[KillBill]

"The Outer Worlds (Does this count?)" - seeing that I have that installed on my Xbox now it is highly unlikely to be at E3.

[Atanasrikard]

I like everything I am hearing but I hope Spencer isn't going back on what he said a few E3's ago when he said they don't want to show games that aren't coming out relatively soon. Though I guess 2 years could also be considered relatively soon.

[Vasto]

10 more days!!!!!

[LOGICWINS]

So close 😀

[Obscure_Observer]

It´s gonna be AWESOME!

Fingers crossed for Crimson Skies!

[gam3r_4_lif3]

Mech Assault

[SwampthingsSon]

17 down votes. 17 people that have revealed they don’t want you to be excited for E3 because you like Cbox. 😑😑😑

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

14 titles means there will likely be a lot of teasers for next gen. I assume spencer is either referring to games published by Xbox Games studios or developed by Microsoft owned developers. The first party games I assume (or I’m confident) to be shown would be:
1. Halo Infinite (343i)
2. Gears 5 (The Coalition)
3. Gears Tactics (The Coalition)
4. Sea of Thieves expansion (Rare)
5. Minecraft Expansion (Mohang)-Multiplatform release
6. “Bleeding Edge” (Ninja Theory)
7. Outer Worlds (Obsidian) - Multiplatform Release
8. Wasteland 3 (InExile) - Multiplatform
9. The Initiative - Next gen teaser
10. Rumored Fable - Playground Games

2nd Party (MS owned but externally developed)
Ori 2, Battletoads and Age of Empires

I also don’t think Turn 10 will show anything.
If the Perfect Dark and MechAssault rumours are true, I wonder who the developers would be.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

I completely forgot about Undead Labs and Compulsion Games. Maybe the two studios will have something to show at E3.

[TekoIie]

I'm not sure they will in the case of Compulsion. The studio is made up of only 40 devs and We Happy Few only released less than a year ago. They've also recently released dlc for the game so I doubt they have a new game to show.

If they do then wow they're working hard and I'd imagine that an MS acquisition would've allowed them to get some new hires but we'll have to wait and see.

[Lethaltare]

Rare are also working on an unannounced game which will probably be in this list.

[mark_parch]

@Lethaltare
Not many people seem to know about the other project rare are working on but the studio head said they were working on other projects at the e3 sea of thieves was first revealed and I heard recently that they said they had another team working on something else other than sea of thieves and it's another new ip

[mark_parch]

I think there's a good chance we might see the second dlc for horizon 4 and some news about reach on mcc

[Lethaltare]

I'm tempted to pick up an X1 again since they're pretty cheap but I'm concerend if the focus will be the new console and if all these titles will suffer because of a new console? How many 1st party titles can they release before a 2020 new Xbox?

[TheGamez100]

Cant wait to see what they have. Never got an x1 so hope they can convince me otherwise for next gen. Well...that is if these games also come to pc then probably not.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

Depends on if you prefer to play on your TV or not. Good to have options though.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

@Tree_Fiddy

For sure, different strokes for different folks. I play at my desk on my PC monitor while sitting in my La-Z-Boy office chair, but if I'm feeling like relaxing a bit more, I'll turn on my Xbox One or my PS3, and play on my TV. I have a secondary PC that I was using for a brief time on my TV, and while I use my Xbox 360 controller for some games, there are many other games that I prefer using mouse & keyboard, and it just wasn't comfortable using M&KB on the couch.

If I lived in a smaller space where I wouldn't have room for a desk, then I would have everything set up on a TV for sure. I do like the sensation of switching between my Xbox One in my livingroom, and my PC in my office, as things all start to feel the same if you're playing everything the same way, with the same user interface and display.

[Xavi4K]

I would wait for next gen.

Probably the cheaper SKU of next gen will be more powerful than X1X.

[gam3r_4_lif3]

Well all the games should work on next xbox and if you get gamepass for a couple of months you will have access to most of MS's first and 2nd party games this gen

[Razzer]

"We have 14 Xbox Game Studios games in the show this year, more first party games than we've ever had in the show."

Please let Playground Games' new RPG be one of them.

[FanboySpotter]

This. I gotta see this

[Razzer]

The guys at PG kick so much ass. Would absolutely love to see them smash out an RPG for the ages.

[oSHINSAo]

It's suppose to be Fable

[Razzer]

That works.

[Larrysweet]

Fable 4 and itll be teaser for 2021

[gangsta_red]

As much as all the rumors keep saying Fable, I'm hoping we get surprised and it's actually Perfect Dark.

[Livingthedream]

Fable 2020 would be better for me lol

[chiefJohn117]

Idk why TF MS hasn't green lit a perfect dark.

[rainslacker]

That and Ninja Theory's new game are what I'm most interested in. Would be nice if some were meant for this gen, as I don't really have much desire to upgrade my PC, despite it being old, and I'm certainly not going to buy an Xbox next gen just because they show some promise at the start.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

"I'm certainly not going to buy an Xbox next gen just because they show some promise at the start."

I wouldn´t expect less from you. To upgrade your PC or buy a next gen Xbox would go against everything your preached about Phil Spencer and Microsoft.

Congratulations!

[jznrpg]

I figured they saved all of their games from this gen for next gen because they haven’t had hardly anything in 6 years. They will blow their wad like they did for the best Games Holiday Ever lol

[rainslacker]

@Obscure

I've said time and again that Spencer, and his lack of delivering on that promise he came in with, and the utter disappointment they brought with this gen for their brand meant I wasn't going to buy an XBox next gen.

That, however, doesn't mean I won't play their games. I'm not keen on upgrading my PC, but that isn't to shun MS, that is because I just don't feel the need to do so just to play some games, and my GPU is pretty outdated for games even for this gen. I can squeek by on many, but I know what's coming next gen much more than you do, and I know that my computer won't be up to par. My newish laptop may be adequate for some games.

To tell you the truth, MS may provide a few games I want next gen, but there are certainly more games on PC not from MS, which I wouldn't have to give MS a dime for in any way, even on the purchase of the OS as I have limitless free copies available to me, so to me, it's not that MS isn't worth supporting, it's just that I don't feel the desire to do so.

I still stand behind what I've said about Spencer. He's done some good for the brand, but he's lying, deceitful, and ultimately, he only cares about pandering and making MS look good, not providing for the people who brought the system he's peddling. I don't care if others screwed it up, he took over, and he hasn't bothered to bring the games the way he said he would. Nothing but Forza, Gears, and Halo, and the one game I got an X1 for, they announced was going to PC a month later.

What I stand for is not supporting companies who don't provide for their customers. I won't buy a Sony handheld in the future because of the way they handled the Vita, until they prove they will support it. I got into VR, because I found it exciting, and luckily, they provided for that. But God, you will call out Sony for not having enough good games, and drone on about crap like SoT, or CD3, and be excited for yet another Halo, Forza or Gears, all while saying how Spencer will deliver because you think he's done some good, and ignore all the failings he's had since taking over.

I was willing to give him time at the start. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after that. but that doubt only grew, and he's only proved he is no better than any other executive over at MS who makes a lot of promises, and eventually under delivers, or doesn't deliver, or pushes the idea onto a new product they want you to be excited for. This is typical MS through and through, but maybe I have a better view of that because my head isn't buried inside a green box, and I see a lot more of MS actions in the rest of the IT industry on a monthly basis, than you probably have even bothered to research your entire life.

@jz

That's the common belief. There's a chance they'll support some forward compatibility, but MS has a long history of quickly dropping support for older consoles, so I'm not going to hope that they keep that promise, which was vaguely defined to begin with....and I'm not even sure I would like them holding back game development by requiring forward compatibility. By choice of the dev, fine, but mandated, absolutely not. I can't express how that would be bad for game design given the advances that can finally be achieved outside graphics with the new systems.

@Obscure

One last thing about the PSnow going to Azure in the other thread. Do you even read the comments I respond to before making your comments about how I am wrong. I was specifically talking about the OP's assertion that Sony was following in MS footsteps, when they have been well ahead of the curve in that regard.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

Like i said, i wouldn´t expect less from you. All i know is that Phil Spencer is turning a dead brand into something bigger that it ever was faster than Sony´s Dreams could reach the shelves. Since Phil Spencer took over Xbox just got better and will become even better under his leadership in the future. Not sure how you expect him to turn things around in such short timeframe. Not after the Mattrick fiasco. But it doesn´t matter now. All that matter is the future. Your new narrative is "he hasn´t done nothing for this gen" as if E3 2019 will be all about next gen. Well, you´re about to some disappointment on that too. Just a few days now. :)

Phil Spencer is the prime name on console industry to his name is about to become THE NAME in the gaming industry very soon. You just watch. ;)

About Sony and Microsoft partnership regarding Azure i stand for what i said before. You did not see this coming, so don´t waste your time trying to convince me otherwise. I been telling you and N4G that Sony is under new management and things is about to change as things are already changing.

Silly fanboys has this notion that Sony follow some kind of bible that will only favor their notion of "domination". The new Sony is here. That´s why what you´re saying about a new Sony handheld makes no sense at all. New players, new rules. You have no idea how this new Sony will handle a new "Vita". FACT!

Sony under Yoshida sees the console gaming as niche and NOT a major market.
Sony under Yoshida says YES to EA Access.
Sony under Yoshida says YES to censorship.
Sony under Yoshida says YES to Microsoft´s Azure.

More changes are coming enter next gen. You´ll see. Stop living in the past. :)

[rainslacker]

OK. I'll just watch. Pretty much said I'd do that anyways in my original comment. Doesn't change the fact he failed to deliver this gen, and hasn't done anything to instill faith in the brand for me to want to support them with a purchase next gen.

[rainslacker]

" You did not see this coming, so don´t waste your time trying to convince me otherwise"

OK, I won't. Don't believe I ever have. I often said MS has impressive cloud infrastructure, and while I never insisted it could happen, I have said its a perfectly viable alternative.

I don't deny things are changing, but the censorship is the only thing I take issue with. That isn't enough for me to not support them, mostly because in the west, these games were censored anyways, so I'm not losing out on much, nor is it my primary concern. I prefer they leave it open, and I will openly criticize them in the meantime.

"Sony under Yoshida sees the console gaming as niche and NOT a major market. "

Greatly out of context, but I know it's pointless to explain, and even agreed with the way he used it in context, although I feel he used the wrong terminology. What I disagreed with is people that took it to mean more than it was. And before you say it, I did defend spencer when he said that SP games were not as relevant, although what he said was relevant to criticism due to other things they were doing.

"Sony under Yoshida says YES to EA Access. "

And? EA is a crappy company. EAA became a good service, so I have no problem with it now, but no one was lamenting it's loss.

"Sony under Yoshida says YES to Microsoft´s Azure. "

And? What exactly have they said yes to? Using it as a hosting service? Partnering to develop the streaming tech, which isn't an Azure thing, but a service that runs on Azure? Is MS giving Sony vital technology to improve their PSNow service? What about all those streaming patents MS is licensing from Sony?

I don't know. You don't know. the announcement didn't specify. At most, it just looked like Sony would use Azure for a hosting service, which, as I explain above, is fine if it works for them. It may be more. It may be less. It may not happen. Don't go around acting like the partnership is more than it is. It seems Sony is bringing something to the cloud that MS also needs, namely for MS Cloud AI. Something that Sony is well ahead on for object recognition, and MS needs for it's future enterprise plans.

Outside the censorship, I fail to see how the new leadership is somehow undermining all Sony has done this gen. They're delivering games. They show no signs of slowing down. If anything, they seem to be doubling down yet again on more games. Consoles are their primary market for now, and until that changes, I see no reason to think I have to be concerned.

[rainslacker]

"More changes are coming enter next gen. You´ll see. Stop living in the past. :)"

I'm fine with change.

But if the future brings change that I'm not interested in spending money on, then I won't, and I'll fight tooth and nail to say what it is I want. I'll live where I damn well please, and even if I adopt the future, it doesn't mean that I have to run with MS to do so, and MS participation will have no bearing on my decision, the games will do that. If MS dropped out of the game tomorrow, I wouldn't be affected. If Sony removed PSNow from Azure, I wouldn't care. Nothing else about the future you seem to herald appeals to me, because it's the same digital DRM laiden control dystopian that I spoke out against at the start of this gen. If Sony adopts it exclusively, I'll be done with them too. If their console paradigm stays the course, I'm fine, even if they branch out to other things.

"Silly fanboys has this notion that Sony follow some kind of bible"

Okie Dokie. Not sure what that has to do with my comments, but if you say so. Sony doesn't have to follow a bible, or even dominate for me to support them. They delivered what I wanted for 4 generations straight, and far exceeded expectations this gen. As a customer, I have no major issue with them. that means I'm a loyal customer until they prove they aren't worthy of that respect.

I think I figured out why we have are completely at odds. It's not the console wars, it's that you like to live in the distant future, with the belief that you have to accept whatever is thrown at you, and if it happens to be in favor of MS, then it's a win win. You accept promises as fact, and deny any lack of fulfillment, and worse, somehow turn that around into being a good thing.

I prefer to live in the present, and the foreseeable future based on evidence supported by the past, and buy products that actually appeal to me, instead of supporting a company that spends more time telling me what I want, and what to look forward to, instead of just giving me products to enjoy right now. I can't really think of any other industry where people can be told for years to wait for the good stuff, and keep expecting the good stuff to ever come, or were willing to believe the company when they said that the good stuff will now be on this new product which you should buy.

Glad I figured that out, because it's bothered me for years. You're last line there gave me that epiphany. I know any gamer that says, "Accept the future, it's coming whether you like it or not", is just a bad consumer. A hallow shell of a person who believes that they have no control over said future, no control over themselves, and is easily manipulated by whatever corporate mentality that is forced onto them through an enabling media.

Anyways. out of bubbles. Sorry I got into this convo with you. I keep getting pulled in, which is annoying, because you don't really have much to say, or any points that can't easily be countererd. I suppose at least you aren't resorting to personal attacks like you were so prone to in the past, so maybe there is still hope for you.

[mark_parch]

pretty sure ninja theories game will release next year

[chiefJohn117]

Your gripe is severally misplaced. And you expect a lot in such a short time frame. You're also being very dismissive. You say you live the present we both know that's BS. PS4 "Sparse" era and comments about how MS were in the past prove this.