Rockstar Games has released a major Red Dead Redemption 2 update today finally fixing the HDR implementation in the game.
Wish it was there day one but this is great to hear regardless. Now have they fixed the horrible PS4 checkerboard implementation?
I get why people like PS4, but the X1X, does run an awful lot of games better than PS4, including Red Dead 2. Hey Switch has the least power, but I think a lot of games look fantastic on the system. I also think Switch has a really great 1s party line up this year. Looking forward to E3.
It would want to considering its price and lack of any other selling point.
There was almost no mention of a literally, broken HDR system in this game within reviews... What a joke game 'journalists' are.. You would expect this to be implemented much sooner by such a big studio.
but its not impacting functionality of the game, its not creating bugs. maybe thats the reason it was not reported? Skyrim/Fallout always get free pass but this time we have many open world games without too many bugs (witcher 3, HZD, spiderman etc). We will see if next entries in these series will get free pass
I personally think that HDR is deemed as a 'function' within a game, and within the current climate of technology, with more and more people owning HDR ready TV's, it definitely affects the functionality of the game... When reviewers are talking about graphics and visual aspects of the game, the lack of/fake HDR is a big issue.
Digital Foundry reported it,but afterwards.
No gamers saw a clear difference with HDR enable and HDR turned off, that is where it was first reported not by reviewers odd how these minor grievances where over looked for RDR2? People had many gripes with the game but many reviewers just brush them off. HRD, shooting mechanics, slow start, slow in game movement, tedious and pointless animations. I like RDR2 but it was far from perfect and reviewers failed to point out most if not any of it's flaws.
there were many bugs in Red Dead 2 that was the main reason i stopped playing the game
ive read numerous reviews of days gone where the writer mentions small silly little things, like a floating person/object or a clipping issue.......these arent functionality impacting either yet numerous reviewers pointed them out and used it in their final scores yet broken HDR in RDR2 is not pointed out which i think is a way bigger issue than a rock floating 50cm off the ground
Even if it doesn't affect the score....it seems like something worth mentioning. I've seen other games get blasted for minor problems with graphics....like Days Gone recently, and none of those graphical issues affected game play. While I appreciate HDR, I never consider it a necessity. There was a stark difference between HDR on and off in RDR2 on PS4. Maybe the reviewers didn't notice it because they either didn't play it in HDR, or they didn't try it both ways. Game actually looked better with it off. It was just clearer. It wasn't unplayable with HDR on, but certainly noteworthy.
HDR isn't something that should even be factored into a review to be honest. Should games lose points because they don't use it then?
They should lose points when they claim to use HDR, but have fooled purchasers by effectively just increasing brightness. If they did not 'use' HDR, then why was there an option for it?
@Krangs_Uncle - did you buy RDR2 because it claimed to use HDR? You are going to tell me that you wouldn't have purchased it otherwise?
You are losing focus... If a game claims to have HDR (which is a common feature for big budget games), but is broken, the review should take this into account. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand. To answer your question, yes I did buy it, KNOWING they had HDR issues. Do you know how many people played through countless hours without even knowing? Only to be told to turn HDR off to see the massive visual difference. If more reviews addressed this, it would have helped people out. If HDR was broken for other big budget games, you can bet you would hear more about it.
@Krangs - I am not discounting that it was broken, what I am saying is when is HDR now a determining factor in buying a game? Plenty of games don't use HDR, doesn't make them bad games. You are now saying that a game should lose points for using something improperly when it was completely optional and not a pre-requisite to begin with?
Yes it should be factored in since it got 10/10 marks on visuals and lauded for its graphical quality (key word) to kingdom come, part of said visual prowess was HDR which was offered, broken as it was since day one. Hardly a 10/10 effort there was it?
@UltraNova - yes, if the review was praising use of HDR in its initial review, then sure, that is a fault on that reviewer. It's not like the game was ugly or anything.. and I am sure this fix only makes it look that much better.
Right because if Sony released a game with HDR broken it would get a pass? GTFO you know they wouldn't, this is the kind of bias we are talking about Rockstar got many favorable reviews solely based on the fact that they are Rockstar despite many gamers having gripes with RDR2 not to mention the crap fest that was the online component of RDR2 is not a bad game but it's not perfect either despite the many favorable reviews giving it perfect scores.
Ignore em Neo they just made Days Gone wasn't so hot in the reviews. @Krang No it shouldn't, RDR2 is probably the best looking game this gen hdr or no it still looks great. So if it's a factor it should be a small one 9.9/10 is that better for you? You complain about slow animations no it's realistic animations. I don't wanna pick things up instantly by walking over them in this game. You complain about movement speed. Ya riding g a horse isn't gonna be fast as a Lamborghini. This game clearly wasn't meant for you. It for those that want a realistic as possible wild west rpg. I want the same for GTA. Something like Halo or fantasy rpg, no I wouldn't want that.
@Krangs I honestly think that a lot of reviewers don't even know the difference with HDR enabled. While it's easy to see most of the time, I think that the vast majority of reviewers don't know how to spot the difference between good HDR implementation, and bad. Unfortunately, sometimes that implementation can have better contrast between colors, it can also cause bluriness in the overall picture if you don't set up the metadata correctly. With the PS4P version, they didn't set up the meta data correctly, and it baffles while it took this long to fix, since it's easily adapatable from the places they did it right. Just a standard HDR10 metadata file is more than sufficient, because that data is processed more by the TV, than it is the consoles themselves.
Seriously?? If a game is released and advertising hdr as a feature then it should absolutely be reviewed. If the game was released without hdr plans why would that even be a question?
Just playing devils advocate here, but perhaps some journalists didn't play the game on a HDR TV, so they wouldn't notice the problem. Also as has already been mentioned loads of times previously, a lot of people on here didn't even realise there was a problem, I didn't until I read an article showing how bad the HDR was being implemented in RDR2. Good to hear its been fixed though, just a shame its about six weeks to late for me.
More like 6 months too late
Maybe, just maybe, because HDR is not the selling point of the game?
I get the adage " you cant miss something you don't know" but once you play a game with HDR and it's implemented correctly there's no going back. Do I play games without HDR? Yes absolutely but do I wish said games had HDR? Yes absolutely!
Game journalists behave like the mentally defective SJW activists like CNN, VICE and especially BuzzFeed. This is coming from a user who always votes left wing. There is a big difference from voting left and behaving like a terrorist. Game journalists have been cherry picking facts and lying by omission. That deserved a massive kick in the bollocks as far as I'm concerned
somebody said the reason there wasnt any HDR is because development started 8 years ago
Yeah it was bad enough that I stopped playing it. It just looked foggy and soupy and I couldn't take it. Now that it's fixed I'll go back to it after DG. I love HDR because it adds so much to games , well games that have it implemented properly like GOW, Uncharted 4, HZD, Spider-Man, Shadow of the Colossus, Days Gone, AC Origins/Odyssey, Wild Hunt and so on. Once you play a game and see how much better they look you don't want to go back.
What about that ridiculous input lag.
Cause the game looked beautiful without it. And it was an update that messed it up. So the "broken" hdr wasn't there at launch. I personally didn't experience this "broken" hdr I simply read an article showing it.
The game also doesn't support 8K, nitro, nuclear power shocks! Why didn't gaming journalists dock points for that!!!!!?????
Yep. It looks incredible, also. I hesitated getting into the game until yesterday, because I wanted to play it at its best with true HDR. Glad I did, as it makes a huge difference. Makes the lighting and some shiny textures really pop now.
It's not even fixed lmao
Not sure what you’re playing on, but I’m on the X and it is absolutely fixed. Im not having the color saturation issue the one video reviewer had on his. Which makes me wonder whether or not it isn’t related to certain sets or settings within them. The game HDR mode is much better than Rockstars “Cinematic” mode. I have a Sony 75x940c and Im loving the update.
By the way, for those who havent seen it: https://youtu.be/tQ-Sj37cgW...
What about how blurry it is in the Pro. I use a 1080p without HDR and it looked awful, i left it on the 2nd mission since day 1!
Have you tried it after the update? I’m not going to purchase the game until it’s fixed on PS4 Pro.
They promised to work on it. They didn't.
Good for you
I’m in the same boat. I refuse to play the game with how it looks on PS4 Pro. It is so blurry it’s like someone smeared butter all over the screen or somethings this was suppose to be one of the biggest games this gen and they completely screeed us
Dang that sucks I'd be pissed if that happened to me. R* better hop on that asap
"Smeared butter" And thats where I lost it.
I was gonna do the same thing until I found a deal for Spiderman and this for 35 $ total... Too good to pass
i‘d love a fix that removes this unnecessary online portion of the game :/
Great news, you can skip that portion!
Who is forcing you to play online?
Can someone confirm please? On Reddit people say it still isn't fixed and still not real HDR. Guess we'll have to wait for Digital Foundry for confirmation.
Can someone explain how its fixed. Im using the base ps4 with Hdr turned on. But thr image is kinda dull. When i turned it off, its bright and vibrant. Im confused here.
Sounds like it probably isn't fixed. My guess is it never will be based on how long the game has been out. Patch notes made no mention of it.
Go into display settings, you need to change from the old HDR that they call 'cinema' to the new type called 'game', then adjust it to your TV's capabilities. You can now adjust peak brightness and the paper white level.
The color toning of the game....as in the lighting, it's not supposed to be bright and vibrant. It's supposed to be more like some old westerns. Almost a panavision technicolor look to it, but not quite so ethereal contrasts between backgrounds and people. The game does, or did a while back, look better as you say without HDR on. HDR is one of those things where if done right, it is amazing. Contrasting colors pop, and very slight details can be seen because colors don't bleed together. Dark colors can have better contrast between them which doesn't just blend into a mass of black. If it's not done right, or not much care is used to set up the color tables, it can turn into a blurry mess, have a haze, and pixel data can actually be lost.
What are your settings if you don't mind telling me. I also have a base ps4.
I haven't played for a few months now. I ended up turning it off, using the 4K checkerboard settings. Game looked crisper without HDR on.
good, I look forward to checking this out on my Pro + OLED. The colors should look great now.
What was the story behind the graphic downgrade back with the first patch, does the game still look bad?
They apparently restored the SSAO with this patch.
Does the patch fix the checkerboard issues the game has with the PS4 Pro?
Nice. Will have to revisit. Interested to see what they have done with the online.
"A new HDR Calibration menu has been added. Players can now switch between the existing ‘Cinematic HDR’ and new ‘Game HDR’ styles, and a new option has been added to allow manual adjustment of Peak Brightness values for different displays" That doesn't say fixed, it says they added new toggles to mess around with the settings for the already existing (or non-existing) HDR.
Exactly. The game doesn't have HDR.
They also fixed the ambient occlusion which was removed in an earlier patch. Looks so much better now, exactly as it did when it first released.
Always looked fine on my, definitely a HDR effect on there, but will be interested to see if this can be enhanced.
Nice I need to polish off this game. Had to take a break from it.
Cool perhaps, I'll try to get back into this again. So far really RDR2 has not done anything for me. Although DREAMS has my attention right now.
Tested on PS4 Pro this morning using my LG C8, HDR is definitely not fixed. Didn’t have time to test it on my Xbox One X because the Xbox version requires that you restart the game and change HDR settings in the system settings, and the update hadn’t downloaded yet for some reason. Still, safe to assume if it’s still not working on PS4 Pro it’s not working on Xbox One X either.
I saw somebody mention this the day the patch came out, but I've tried it and there is no change, my HDR is still a complete washed out mess??? With it off the game is Bright and vibrant.
Horse simulator.. lol