What does 8K resolution support mean for the PlayStation 5?

Boasting support for 8K resolution sounds like a win for the PlayStation 5, but when it comes to the human eye it doesn't matter all that much.

[isarai]

I think its just going to mean the same as 4k did for ps4 pro, really just used as a margin of possibility where realistically games resolution will span a spectrum between 4k-8k

[KyRo]

As much as I can't wait for the PS5, it's not going to be able to do 8K for PS5 games unless Sony has found some wizardry solution that will chnage the industry.

Maybe older generations of PlayStation games, streaming and media content would be able to output 8K but I don't think anyone can realistically think 8K will be the standard for all PS5 games.

[_SilverHawk_]

Sony says ps5 will be doing 8k resolution so just believe that it will. It's a gaming console so I believe itll have some game in 8k resolution. Since the information came from the architect of the console then I can believe what he says

[sprinterboy]

Be some advanced version of checkerboarding imo, so 8k upscaling for say indie titles with maybe some Sony studios doing smallish games like concrete genie but checkerboard 8k.
Would be awesome if this special sauce was all ps4 games upscaled in 8k checkerboarding? Imagine hzd being 8k upscaled.
Do you think ps5 specs could run hzd in 8k?

[FlyingFoxy]

Games that have better graphics will not run at high fps even at 4k, nevermind 8k. You can be sure that quite a few games will be 30fps on consoles probably 2-3 years after it comes out, or sooner for devs that prioritise graphics over fps on console.

On PC there are games that are quite demanding even at 4k with expensive GPUs, and the next console from Sony is definitely not going to have the power of a 2080Ti, more like a 2080 (if that) at best. In fact say 2070 is probably more accurate.

This is why i went with a 1440p 165hz Gsync screen on my PC, i prefer smoother visuals over more pixels and less fps.

[Livingthedream]

The only way this happens is if Sony decides to no longer push graphics as much as they do. But with every generation, theres better textures, detailed worlds, physics etc, so the new consoles have just enough to power through the new games.

[fr0sty]

At screen sizes that are reasonable to fit into the average home, there is no way to tell the difference between 4k and 8k when sitting at a comfortable distance from the TV. The pixels are far too small for our eyes to resolve, and it is a complete waste of money and processing power, unless you are super-sampling and plan on downsampling that 8k render back down to 4K.

[Ju]

@KyRo he said just that. "A range of resolutions from 4k to 8k".

And, if you look at the factor the PS5 is faster than the Pro - CPU is, what at least 5x faster, gpu 3x times in compute and probably 3x the memory band with it could easily render HZD at 4k@60fps. Check gives you maybe 4...5ms frame time. With some advance cb which probably won't go away since it runs ps4(pro) games, it might well be possible to 8k. People will be surprised. It would scale from 1920x2160 to 3840x4320?

Not saying 8k will make a big dent, but like on the ps4pro, everything above 1080p just cleans up the image. That'll probably true for everything beyond 4k. I think the interesting aspect is, that 4k will be a baseline with some headroom above. I don't think the ps5 will have any troubles rendering 4k@60fps, let alone 30fps.

[Eonjay]

Actually it doesn't mean anything because no on has an 8k TV so even if it does 8k it's not like more than 10 people will be able to see it.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

PS5 will do movie playback in 8K, just like the Xbox One S does movie playback in 4K, while not being anywhere near powerful enough to do 4K gaming.

[mogwaii]

So sony directly state that it will support 8k and you still don't believe it, right.

[fr0sty]

Nothing saying that PS5 won't be able to do PS3 or even some PS4 quality games at 8k, but don't count on seeing modern AAA's in 8k unless there's some serious upscaling/checkerboard interpolation going on.

[RedCloud88]

8k was mentioned as a supported resolution, that really only means it can output a 8k signal which can be done by any device using modern hdmi connections. I'd bet it targets and achieves 4k 60fps and also supports 8k video output for those videophiles that can use it. But gaming in 8k is still a ways off for PCs, it wont hit consoles to at the earliest the ps6, and honestly it probably never should

[nitus10]

Basically, all HD, UHD TV's and monitors will normally display content full screen at least up to the aspect ratio of the display device although some displays allow you to manipulate the aspect ratio which can look strange. Even 8K TV's and monitors will be able to do this so say you output a 720p (16:9 aspect) game, that display (if it is any good) will upscale accordingly.

As an example, I have a 32" 4K HDR monitor with two HDM and one PCI ports. My PC supports 4K and my monitor displays accordingly although I do have to rescale (a change in my PC display setup - takes a few seconds) to display writing at a comfortable size otherwise I need a magnifying glass. When I switch to my PS4 (standard model) all games will display 720p or 1080p full screen at that games aspect ratio.

What is interesting is some PS4 games also support HDR (High Dynamic Range) http://www.pushsquare.com/n... and since all PS4's support HDR (look it up) my PS4 recognises it is connected to a 4K display and if the game I am playing supports HDR then the PS4 will allow that game to be displayed at say 1080p with HDR enabled automatically (eg. Horizon Zero Dawn) or ask you to enable HDR support (eg. Final Fantasy XV, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided) and from then on it is automatic.

Remember my monitor is 32" so I have to sit back at least two meters (approx 6 ft) for comfort reasons. Playing HZD is quite impressive even though my PS4 is outputting 1080p with HDR because my monitor has smart upscaling.

Most decent 4K displays and 8K will be no exception have very good upscaling capabilities so it may not be cost effective to produce a PS5 having the full 8K capability. Still, we have not seen the full PS5 specs so I would not recommend dashing out and paying an exorbitant price for an 8K display unless you have money to burn.

@sprinterboy

Even on my 32" 4K HDR monitor HZD looks fantastic although the actual graphical output from my PS4 is 1080p with HDR. Yes, I do think HSZ would look fantastic if it had 8K assets (which it doesn't) and you had an 8K display (which you don't) and a PS5 (which you also don't). 😎

[bluefox755]

Yeah, mainstream 8k gaming simply isn't realistic in the near future, and I think that's okay. The diminishing return on resolution makes it so that devs are better off prioritizing visuals and framerate than worrying about another resolution boost IMO.

[Atom666]

Even that's pushing it imo. I expect the inevitable "8k nature documentary" to be available through compressed streaming like Netflix or Amazon, but not much else.

As far as games goes, if we can semi-consistently get 4k 60, we should consider it a win. People need to temper expectations a bit.

[Saigon]

I always thought, when 8K was mentioned, it was an elevator speech. Meaning a way to hype the console capabilities and state its overall proposed perspective. 8K for games, we are long off. Devs still have to master 4k before 8k can become a factor; plus we don't have the tech specs in home-based TVs to even claim 8k as something. So again, to me, 8k was just elevator speech.

[TheCryptKeeper]

You will be lucky to have native 4K on consoles.

[ILostMyMind]

Luck has nothing to do with engineering.

[vergilxx3]

Loool you people, no one said 8k will be for games, it will be for streaming services like Netflix, Hulu ect so chill

[Ju]

It's not a pc. If some numbers are correct, this machine will most likely have no bandwith bottlenecks. Shared memory bus between ddr and hbm, 600-800GB/s bandwith, 8 core Zen 2 (which isn't even out on pcs, yet) and 16+8GB of memory with no bloat-os cutting into the band with. So, a game will have full access to those cores and hand with and those 13tf of compute. And who knows what extension Sony built into this thing (like previous cb shader extensions and fb16).

[Ju]

Actually...not quite correct. 2 memory busses under one memory controller is more like it. Allows parallel access for CPU and gpu with no stalls

[rainslacker]

just means it can output at 8K. Doesn't mean it has to, or that games will natively render at that resolution. Possibly, it means it can checkerboard up to 8K.

I think it's a moot point, because chances are, 8K displays are going to be pretty rare even at the end of next gen.

[mandf]

Finally someone gets it

[rainslacker]

I think a lot of people get it. Just some people are purposefully obtuse, and make it seem like there is huge confusion over the matter.

[n1kki6]

Amd is making the gpu and cpu, its not like amd is holding back some magical hardware that they havent released yet. Their flagship pc cards dont even do 4k 60 in a reliable fashion. Sony never said 8k gaming, they said 8k support which could be upscaling, streaming, ux, etc, but if you think yiu are getting native 8k gaming you are a moron. 8k is 33 million pixels, a console is not going to be able to do that for games before a pc, they share the same architecture. God console gamers are morons.

[isarai]

Sharing same architecture =/= providing same performange, hell the current consoles use smartphones gpus yet nothing looks as good as uncharted 4 and god of war both of which run above 1080p on the pro, and u4s mp runs at 60fps. Never said anything about 60fps, nor did i say games will run at 8k. I said i think it will be similar in relation to 8k in that ps4 pro is to 4k, I.E. only reaches that mark in a handfull or remasters and very simplistic looking smallscale and sports games but otherwise we will see some inbetween for the most part, that is of course when 8k tvs are actually popular.

Ironic calling anyone a moron seeing as how you lack basic reading comprehension skills.

[ILostMyMind]

More like XBS. 8K for movies.

[Rude-ro]

I think it is because Sony makes tvs.
I think it means things like how the base ps4 supported hdr by making their own hdmi port.

I do not think games will be anywhere near native 8k.
There is no reason.
4K is still trying to find content per cable providers,
I just think 8k tvs will be more available in the timeline of the ps5 and the ps5 will be ready to support said product with an hdmi port and an upscaling system that will improve the picture in said tv.

[Felix_Argyle_Catbro]

More marketing talk that will hardly mean anything in the end.

[StormSnooper]

They said the same thing about Apple’s Retina display but it turns out I can see a huge difference on my retina apple laptop vs my non-retina Apple laptop. So I’m not so sure.

[2pacalypsenow]

Exactly, Apple computers have screens that are on another level.

[ElementX]

They said PS3 would do 120fps also.

[stuckNhere4Good]

And it did just that. Ken Kutaragi and Richard Marks weren't talking about rendering games at up to 120fps, they were talking about using an image interface (the PS Eye camera... https://image.slidesharecdn... , https://image.slidesharecdn... ) with PS3 to track and analyze objects and images at up to 120fps:

"The device supports both 640 x 480 resolution at 60 frames per second and 320 x 240 resolution at 120 frames per second. What are the scenarios where people might want to use one versus the other?
We expect 640 x 480, 60 frames per second to be the most common usage. This provides the best video quality, and is quite responsive. Most webcams only go up to 30 frames per second, so this is already twice as fast as the norm (achieving 640 x 480, 60 frames per second, uncompressed, required a tricky bit of engineering). 320 x 240 at 120 frames per second is a more specialized mode intended for high-speed tracking applications. Most TV display modes are limited to 60 frames per second, so the doubled framerate of the video will not be directly visible. But it means the PS3 can get twice as many video frames to process, which translates into being able to track things twice as fast, or to observing an object at twice as many points along the path it travels."... https://archive.li/WESxm

"Kutaragi then picked video streaming frame rates as a high potential future technology. Compared to the current TVs' 50-60 fields per second and PCs' 72-90 frames per second (fps), the PS3 is expected to display images at higher frame rates like 120 fps, in line with future image interface specifications. Commenting on frame rates, he also indicated the potential of the combined use of image input and high-speed frame rate technologies. He said the PS3 will likely develop a new type of computer entertainment, in which, for example, the game console swiftly analyzes the meaning of images shot with a connected high-speed camera and inputs the results to a game."... http://techon.nikkeibp.co.j...

Eye Pet was one such game that used the tech to great effect... https://www.youtube.com/wat...

The story (or misinformation campaign) pushed by many in the gaming media/community of SCE reps claiming every game would run at 120fps on PS3 was debunked from the outset... https://www.theguardian.com...

The only game known to actually render at 120fps on PS3 was Super Stardust HD 3D... https://blog.eu.playstation... ; but again, the claim of 120fps pertains solely to high-speed tracking, image analysis and video output... https://tech.nikkeibp.co.jp... , https://tech.nikkeibp.co.jp...

[ElementX]

In your https://tech.nikkeibp.co.jp... link, it says "THE PS3 IS EXPECTED TO DISPLAY IMAGES AT HIGHER FRAME RATES LIKE 120 FPS, in line with future image interface specifications." There is no mention of the statement referring to the PSEye. The PSEye is only mentioned at the bottom of the article. Furthermore "Commenting on frame rates, he also indicated the potential of the combined use of image input and high-speed frame rate technologies." They mention combining image input and "high-speed frame rate technologies", meaning they are two different things, not the PSEye.

The slide you posted says Bluray 120fps which still doesn't happen and the PS3 never displayed any video in 120fps, either.

Super Stardust wasn't really 120fps, it was 60fps per eye on a 3D tv only.

The "debunking" Guardian article refers to a forum post, which I can't get to work. There was no official word from Sony about the 120fps claim. If all of the sites were posting a false claim, I'm sure Sony would've come out and cleared things up, but they didn't.

[bluefox755]

It was certainly capable, but considering true 120hz TVs are relative uncommon, even to this day, it wasn't a very sensible pursuit. The only time it really makes sense to pursue 120fps is if you have a top end PC, that already handles everything else maxed at 60fps, or if you're a competitive gamer.

[stuckNhere4Good]

PSEye was not mentioned at the bottom of the article, Eyetoy was. There's no direct mention of PSEye anywhere in the article, but there is the suggestion of it.

At the time of the article's writing, EyeToy was already old news and a known quantity. "In line with future image interface specifications" points to a future camera (PSEye) with higher specs... https://image.slidesharecdn... , https://image.slidesharecdn... than the EyeToy's... https://image.slidesharecdn...

For you to say Super Stardust HD 3D wasn't really 120fps after reading what Ilari Kuittinen said, is mind-boggling to say the least. PS3 is rendering two 720p frames at 60fps each. Eurogamer/DF confirmed it... https://www.eurogamer.net/a... It can't be made any more simple than that.

If PS3 (technology) can render a game in 720p at 120fps, then it can certainly output video put into it by a camera (technology) in 240p at 120fps. Bluray corresponds to the video playback resolution of Full HD (1920x1080p), not high-speed framerates for video capture.

And while I'm on video capture, EyeCreate ... https://www.playstation.com... used both 'technologies' (PS3 and PSEye) for video capture and movie creation . ... https://www.youtube.com/wat... , https://www.youtube.com/wat...

The forum post was either deleted or moved. Here's a link to a related forum post... https://forum.beyond3d.com/... The site's resident translator (username 'one'; based in Minato-ku, Tokyo) gave a summary of the source article.

If sites outside of Japan wanted clarification, they would've asked for it after getting wind of Kutaragi's claim. They had multiple opportunities to do so at every E3 and sit-down interview, but they didn't. They wanted to click-bait and fan flames.

[stuckNhere4Good]

@bluefox755

The only time it really makes sense to pursue 120fps is if you have a top end PC?... That's not the only time. If the objectives for the platform are (were) to complete the circle of real-time 3D graphics... https://image.slidesharecdn... , https://image.slidesharecdn... , implement spatial 3D tracking... https://image.slidesharecdn... and lay the groundwork for what comes after S3D... https://www.youtube.com/wat... , https://www.gamerevolution....

Then 120fps is quite sensible. Ian Bickerstaff (2:14 - 2:30... https://www.youtube.com/wat... sure thought so:

"Eurogamer: What you're doing here is something I can really appreciate... taking something that's there in the home and being pushed beyond its original design specifications. Although having said that, the original PS3 specs talked about dual HDMI ports and 120Hz outputs. Ken Kutaragi really was thinking ahead of his time there.
Ian Bickerstaff: When I joined Evolution Studios, that was one of the reasons I joined. It's got two outputs! Connect that to two projectors and you've got 3D! It's ironic because the format that's now in PS3 is actually much more elegant and simple than that. Only one HDMI but it's producing that quality. It was a happy ending but it was a little annoying when I discovered that they'd removed that second HDMI port."... https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

[Gardenia]

There are still enough who don't even have a 4K TV. 8K is still years away so it's not important

[nitus10]

8K is out now although it is not cheap when compared to 4K and 1080p.

What is important is the actual screen size the distance you view the screen and how good your eyes are.

[Seraphim]

Indeed. I love my Playstation consoles and gaming but...

PS3-1080P. We know it took several years to even get some games running full 1080P. Multi-plat. Forget about it. PS4-1080P. Still not all games were running 1080P. PS4 Pro - 4k. Though not native it does checkerboard to 4k and looks good. I'm certainly happy I upgraded to a Pro but it's still not native.

I'd imagine at the very best we're looking at true 4k games using the checkerboard scaling to reach 8k. Even that is likely a stretch that not all games will reach. Regardless, I have a nice, new [old] Sony 4k Bravia along with an upgraded receiver that isn't even as good as my original just for 4k. Needless to say I won't be parting with my tv and receiver [again] anytime soon for an 8K set.

[TopherMan]

It means we will all have to upgrade our homes to accommodate the 140 inch TVs that will make this relevant.

[sprinterboy]

Was reading a article the other day about the human eye can't see better than 10k plus, so when we have 12\16k tvs in 15 years it will be like looking through a window, that's gonna be so bizarre especially with a animal documentary or horror films etc

[TopherMan]

yeah, the porn....uhh....I mean....animal documentaries....are going to be crazy. yeah.

[Rude-ro]

Ehhh frames has more of an impact than resolution for said scenario.
That will have to be 240htz and above.
Yes, it will be crystal clear, but to get the depth.. you need the frames.
4K @240htz or above has made people dizzy.. their senses get disoriented.

[Profchaos]

I just got 4k last year along with most average consumers it hasn't even hit market saturation yet

[fonger08]

Streaming playback, Netflix, YouTube, etc. I don’t foresee any gameplay either in a native or “checkerboard” out of the box. It’s just to cost prohibitive to offer at this point.

[Eonjay]

Again that's not really the issue. The issue is that an 8k PS5 is only going to be relevant to people with 8k tvs... so that's almost no one.

[sprinterboy]

4ktv with hdmi 2.1 up scales to 8k

[nitus10]

@sprinterboy

A 4K TV/monitor will only display up to 4K.

A version 2.1 HMDI cable will support up to 8K. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Exactly.. 1080p and 60fps is still rare for me

[nitus10]

Try Dark Souls II Scholar of the First Sin since that supports 1080p @ 60 fps. IMHO it has the best tutorial of the Dark Souls series and it contains all DLC. In addition, on PSN, you can get it very cheaply.

You still need to "git gud" 😉 especially in the later stages but you do have some reasonable handholding at the beginning. Also, plenty of people are still playing this game (well over 200 million worldwide deaths and loving it to date) so you can get help and also be invaded.

[Profchaos]

We've seen Sony experiment with 8k games gt spoet was used to promote an 8k panel with the game running on a PC displaying at 8k.

It's possible to make a conclusion that we just saw a ps5 Dev kit playing GT sport at 8k a few months back.

However I tend to agree with you 8k games are a long way away

[Lennoxb63]

Nothing. Cause neither console is getting it. 8k textures sure. Some games today use them.

[sprinterboy]

Gts has 8k textures at the ready, can't think of any others though.

[Lennoxb63]

Forza Horizon 3 and 4, World of Tanks, and theirs a couple more I don't remember.

[AK91]

Twice the resolution of 4K

[mcz]

8K is four times 4K

[DillyDilly]

It means the PS5 is gonna support 8k resolution ?

[Omnislashver36]

It outputs 8K. So basically streaming.

It won't be able to render games at 8K though, so probably just Netflix/Hulu or whatever.

Some arcade games might be able to use it, since they're so simple, but most games are going to be sub 4K actually, any 3D ones especially.

So that's what they mean by saying 8K output but saying 4K gaming.

In short, if you're in the market for a new TV for gaming, 8K is worthless. Look at other qualities like color reproduction, black levels, HDR performance, and so on with 4K and you'll be much better off.

Infact, most 8K TVs look worse than 4K TVs in all aspects aside pixel density right now. And as the article states, you wouldn't be able to notice an improvement from more than 2ft away on a 75 inch screen.

So do you really think 8K is an improvement for you? Unless you have a 75+ inch TV and sit really close it's worthless, and basically every other spec is more important.

[sprinterboy]

A high end 2019 4k model TV has the hdmi 2.1 now, I'm personally gonna pick my 4k tv up with hdmi 2.1 (8k upscaling) during black friday 2020 and treat myself to a mid ranged dolby atmos sound setup ready for my ps5.
I'm only about £3,000 short lol, got me ps5 saved up already and a good portion twds the dolby atmos but seriously hoping for a nice win on my football accumulaters nxtt season.

[Ju]

That's not what Sony saying at all. That's your perception based on what we know. Now do I expect a natively rendered 8k game? No. But saying its for streaming only is plain wrong. It might be all kind of things, from native to more advance cb upscaling or any other temporal scaler. All it will be used for is to clean up a 4k image. Pretty much the same what all those tv's do with a 4k stream. If that means they use some nifty tricks to get to 8k (and then supersample it down again) i'll be happy.

[ILostMyMind]

"but most games are going to be sub 4K actually"

Congrats, man. I would like to live in the future too.

[Kurisu]

To me probably nothing. I mean that in the sense that I've got an original PS4 with a standard 1080p TV. I won't be upgrading to to a 4KTV until the PS5 gets a firm release date so I certainly won't be upgrading to an 8KTV within the PS5's life span. Looking forward to experiencing 4K gaming for the first time!

[sprinterboy]

When you get your 4k tv make sure it has hdmi 2.1, this will mean it can upscale 8k (not native but worth having hdmi 2.1)
Im waiting for black friday 2020 to get my 4k

[Doge]

Future-proofing for a format that's still far from reach in terms of cost and infrastructure.

[bluebenjamin]

8k at 5 frames per second amazing 😉

[Ju]

Well, something ran gt sport @ 8k 120fps on one of those screens...fake? Video? Who knows.

[sprinterboy]

Can not remember, but a article on the 8k GTS I read mentioned something along the lines of it was using the equivalent of 4X top end gaming rigs (about £8,000 worth of pc)

[_LarZen_]

As far as games goes. Nothing. Well almost nothing. It means it is capable of upscalling to 8K. But most likely these high-end TV’s will do a better job doing so.

And in a few countries that will have 8K content via streaming can do so.

That’s it.

[StarLink]

I think 8K wont be something we will be seeing much let alone on most demanding games. 4K will be the leading resolution.

[sprinterboy]

I here the next Olympics and World Cup will be using 8k, other than that Netflix maybe using 8k steaming in 2 or 3 years and maybe a decent collection of 100 films or more in 5 years.
90% of TV owners need not worry for at least 5 years until regular 8k content is being distributed/streamed etc.
Plus you are looking @5years until 8ktv Is under the £799/$799 price point.

[mixelon]

I don’t have a big enough room to put a tv big enough for 8k to be worthwhile, but I’d be happy if future tech supports it well enough!

[Ju]

If you don't have a big enough room, you probably wouldn't want to spend the money on those $15k tv'anyhow. Lol

[mixelon]

Well there is that.. tbh I still wouldn’t want to spend that much even if I did have loads of space. 😂

[sprinterboy]

Minimal 85" imo for 8k? Maybe even 98"?

[coolastheycome]

So a good 4k TV costs over $2000.000, can't imagine what an 8k TV will cost when they become readily available.

[chiefJohn117]

I think so of the smaller titles will hit be able to hit that is some form. 8k is still early and won't do much more many TV's. But those with them huge TV will love it. I would get hyped but my 60" like "think again" lol. Don't have high hope for it and would lower my expectation

[NeoGamer232]

8K is interesting. Unless the TV is in the 40" range 4K means nothing today. 8Ks only come into play for TVs above 75".

And the number of people that have a wall big enough for an 75" plus TV and can afford it is limited. As we progress 8K the inevitable 12K, and 16K will probably become very large luxury TVs. It will be that most people by the Toyota, Honda, GM, Ford, etc which will be 4K. And a few people will buy the 8K Lambo, Ferrari's, BMWs, Mercedes, etc.

I have several 4K TVs in my home, in no way am I compelled to even go look at an 8K TV let alone buy it right now. I do remember when I had standard HD TVs, wanting better because they looked generally blurry above 55" to me. But, now that I have 4K I don't feel that same sense of blurriness at all. I jumped on the 4K bandwagon early because of that.

[mixelon]

So many cinemas are using Sony 4K projectors here and it’s not like you’re aware of pixelation when watching movies on them, and those screens a maaaaasive. I find 8k a bit of a weird, unnecessary thing.. but if it ends up making devs target massively OTT resolutions that can only be advantageous to people with more normal ones. 😅

[rlow1]

Saw the 8k at BestBuy and with the demo it looked slightly better. But it wasn't as noticable as 1080 to 4k. But hey, I'm glad their supporting it.

[ILostMyMind]

It has the same proportion to 1080/4K.

[rlow1]

I know, but with the 8k video running it still didn't look as big of a jump. When I saw the first 4k demo, to me it was very impressive. The jump to the 8k is noticeable but for some reason not nearly as impressive. But that said it's early.

[MasterCornholio]

I'm guessing you will be able to watch 8K movies on it for the most part. As for gaming only very basic games can run in 4k on the device.

[MasterCornholio]

Dang I meant 8K not 4K.

Oops

:(

[ziggurcat]

The 8K thing is really just support for those displays, and video playback. No chance this has anything to do with games - just like PS3 supported 1080p even though there weren't really any games that supported that resolution.

[TopherMan]

According to Wired, Mark Cerny said the PS5 would support 8K graphics.

"(While the next-gen console will support 8K graphics, TVs that deliver it are few and far between, so we’re using a 4K TV.)"
https://www.wired.com/story...

[MasterCornholio]

I dont believe that many games will run at 8K though. Just the really basic ones. It will upscale everything else to 8K though.

[TopherMan]

I agree with that. Small indie games that really do not depend on crazy graphics are, ironically, going to be the only ones who will actually be able to make 8K games on next gen hardware.

[MasterCornholio]

Exactly what I was thinking. Also I do believe having simple things like the menus and user interfaces in all games should be doable in 8K even the HUD for that matter.

[Antnee534]

I bet ps5 and xb2 will still be a standard of 1080 60fps and some games hitting sub par 4k with maybe a few actually being 4k

[ILostMyMind]

They will be all 720p.

[Fishy Fingers]

8K movie support. Future proofing. Certainly not 8K games.

[sprinterboy]

8k upscaling

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Just like when the PS3 had dual HDMI and three Ethernet ports.

https://commons.m.wikimedia...

[Ricegum]

No need to get defensive. I wonder what you'd say if Microsoft said they were supporting 8K, you'd probably be full of praise. You Xbox guys are odd.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Except here Sony is using 8k as a bullet point for gaming.

I also own a Switch and PS4 pro so cut it out.

[TopherMan]

Actually, not like that at all. That wasn't final hardware, just a prototype. The boomerang controller was also shown and it also wasn't final. Not quite sure what your point here is unless you are saying Sony is going to yank the 8K capability which seems odd. This isn't like removing ports to cut costs. Either Navi supports it or it doesn't.

[ILostMyMind]

WTH! Why a console would need 3 Ethernet ports?

[Knushwood Butt]

Dunno, just been playing Days Gone on a Pro and 1080p TV with no HDR and it looks..... beautiful. I'm sure it would look even better with a more expensive TV.

[phoenixwing]

Is anyone else feeling tired of all this whatever k nonsense going on in the industry? I just bought a 4k tv and now they're talking about 8k. Give it a rest already. Work on improving the AI and FPS and ray tracing and effects but don't spend time telling me about the next resolution bump because I must have gotten old all of a sudden and it's falling on my deaf ears. x.x

[Shikoku]

Nothing as 8k is more than 7yrs off its a waste of money and just a buzz word.

[nismo370]

Streaming playback.
Not native

[sagapo]

Like I said before, if PS5 would do true 4K/60fps, I would be more than happy. 8K? Would be nice, but no need, just got a 4K TV, not gonna buy a 8K any time soon.

[Father__Merrin]

Possibly for movies etc won't be 8k games.

Either way it's almostbfeffo a native 4k/60fps console I predict it will have better graphics than anything else out there

[porkChop]

It means 8k media playback. No console next gen is getting 8k graphics because we don't have hardware that can do that, nor would the consoles have the necessary amount of VRAM.

[Sokol]

Let's worry about getting the 4K 60fps done right first then traverse into the 8K territory. :)

[2pacalypsenow]

Nothing, 8k is a waste of time.

There no difference a human can make.

Even with 4K, HDR is a bigger benefit.

[PhoenixUp]

Not even every PS4 game outputs to 1080p, yet we’re supposed to believe every PS5 game can output to 8K?’😂

[pyroxxx]

16* times,.. It is going ti happen,.. I can totally see some engines that run @unlocked frame-rates,.. do 8K@30 ,.. or even 60,..Not every game needs to push visuals to the braking point(Days gone)

[MajorLazer]

8K is 4 times the res of 4K. 4K60 will be a push, you must be absolutely insane to think suddenly it'll do games with 4 times the res.

[ILostMyMind]

Who said It will?

[Orionsangel]

I'm wait for 10k.

[OpenGL]

I wouldn't be shocked if 8K was supported by some games, usually simple ones visually or 2D games while most AAA titles will be 4K or less (with reconstruction and all sorts of other things). I'm betting next gen consoles have even better hardware features to enhance checkerboard rendering and other reconstruction techniques.

[Cobra951]

4K is usually overkill. 8K is wtf?!roflcopter. It's 16 times the resolution of 1080p. 16 times the workload. 16 times the uncompressed graphics data. Multiple times the storage space for native compressed content. Multiple times the download wait. Two billion pixels per second at 60 fps. (OK, I exaggerated. It's only 1,990,656,000 pixels per second.)

Ridiculous. No one should be expecting any native game support for this, realistically. The system may be capable of outputting to that resolution, upscaling mostly, with hard fps limits. It might even muster enough throughput to play back natively something passive at that res. But . . . why? Whether even a quarter of that res is worthwhile remains a subject for debate. I'd much rather see the higher power of the new gen go to something fruitful.

[Vlaitor]

It means lag.

[shaenoide]

4k isn't enough ? It's not even a standard for now...

[Imortus_san]

Checkerboard.

[MasterChief3624]

It means everyone has to now buy an 8K TV to take full advantage of it, a feat that will not be cheap, especially for those that invested in a 4K TV relatively recently.

[BenRC01]

30 fps

[SyntheticForm]

I can't imagine much, at least not in the way of gaming.

[thexmanone]

Well you better save up 5 to 10 grand for that 8k T.V then.

[PurpHerbison]

More 30fps games.

[Kosic]

I'd rather 4k 60fps and 4k 30 fps with more detail/high graphic settings.

10800 to 4k was a small upgrade. So 4k to 8k be another hype that'll fall just as flat. Guess Sony wants to push 8k on the console as their gonna release 8k TVs.

[ocelot07]

It simply means it will support the 8k resolution. Games will down scale to 4k/1800p ect.

[Shakengandulf]

Low budget, mostly art style drivin games like what the ps3 mostly did.
8k homescreen possibly.
U wont see 8k support on AA and AAA games.. thats just being realistic.

[P_Bomb]

It means I need to buy a 4KTV one of these days. Falling behind!

[Shakengandulf]

Same here, been running a high end 1080 set for a year or so... but at least prices will be much cheaper and the 4k sets will be of great quality when i make the jump.

[Tross]

Whether it supports that resolution or not, it looks like Sony is planning for the future. It's not super relevant to me as I'm still using a 1080P TV, but I'm sure there will be noticeable improvements in visuals and frame rate regardless. Maybe next gen I'll finally get into the 4K craze, but I'm definitely not going to be investing in an 8K screen. I mean, I don't know how much that would cost but I can guarantee it's more than I can afford.

In any case, there's nothing wrong with Sony thinking ahead as long as they don't go overboard with releasing an overly expensive console again. I'm more stoked about the SSD and the performance improvements that will undoubtedly bring. I'm really hoping I'll have a lot of months to pay off my pre-order as I'm sure to pay an inordinate Canadian inflation on whatever the US price tag is. I just hope it's not higher than $500USD as that will make it even worse.

[Gravesinger_]

I love how everyone is talking about 8k resolution on a console in 2020, but no one is talking about the price of 8k TVs that range from 5k-10k lol, no to mention that 4k gaming still requires pretty strong hardware hit 4k 60fps consistently

[aaronaton]

It means hdmi 2.1 which will be the new standard.
Expect to buy new cables on release unless they bundle us with one. Can't wait, could even mean dolby vision in games.

[PiNkFaIrYbOi]

8k games will be a nightmare due to the size of them and the way games are delivered right now will make it a nightmare as well.

[spambot0815]

it means 4k per eye psvr2.

[FanboysKiller]

Haven't seen it yet so I can't tell.

[shauzy]

that means we will have 4k60 on ps5 which is more than enough for me

[The_Sage]

I've never seen a true 8k display. I don't mean on the internet, I mean in person. If you're watching a video of an 8k set in 4k, you're still only seeing 4k.

[tagzskie]

I think there's no nid for 8k right now. 4k is not even mainstream, but i like what sony's doing. If they target is 8k, a 4k 60fps is easily achievable.. Just focus on some other areas not just resolution. I just want AAA high rated games, but that goes w/out saying in sonys case.

[NonPartisanGamer]

If only we had 8k TVs to enjoy them with.

[NonPartisanGamer]

Can we get 4K 60 standard first?

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

There’s no way this thing will do 8k gaming especially at an affordable price. I highly doubt these next gen consoles can do 4K 60fps cheaply. 8k will just be used as a marketing tool like 4K was.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

But I still use a 24" Vizio Razr in 1080p from 2011. I may have to upgrade when I get a PS5, lol

[ABizzel1]

Pictures will show in 8K, possibly video, and there will maybe tetris will be in 8K as one of the first native 8K games on console.

[Profchaos]

Honestly not a lot at the this moment in time we don't know if we will purely see video like Netflix in 8k when the content is ready or if we will see games push the 8k boundary.

Sony is certainly testing gaming capabilities with prototypes of GT sport running in 8k when showing off a previous 8k display panel. We may see an enhanced checker board rendering technique to help achieve it

Given current gaming standards though 8k might be a pipe dream for gaming since GTX 2080 ti cards can even struggle to run high end titles like Metro exedus on max settings at 4k

[Glemt]

I wish they'd make 60 fps an industry standard before focussing so much on resolution.

[NextGenCeo]

8K will be only for videos. Not for gaming.

[Si-Fly]

I just hope they support 1440p this time.

[cd1]

I dont believe Devs will priortise games to run at 8K given the very small number of people who will own 8K TVs, 4K/60 will hopefully be the standard.

[Psychotica]

May become relevant in a few years assuming 8K tv's become cheaper. If the PS5 was out today it wouldn't mean a whole lot.

[gamer7804]

most likely just support for future output in 8k, just the video output doesn't mean games will be running in that, id' rather the horsepower be put into making games look better and not just resolution.

[ziratul]

I have 65" 4k TV and I literally can't comprehend the need for 8k, I can barely see the difference between 1080p and 4k on 65"... I don't want to pay for useless things, 8k will never live up... except if we are gonna watch 200" + TV's

[BlaqMagiq1]

Even if 8K turned out to be true I would rather have 4K/60fps as the standard for gaming rather than put the most focus on 8K. 8K will be out of reach for years while tons of consumers still haven't even jumped onto 4K yet.

[meka2611]

Why the hell would they waste system resources on this?? Now 4k should definitely be the standard, but almost no one is going to have an 8k TV; plus having looked at them I don't really see a point either. Would rather they focuson 4k 60fps instead of shooting for something we don't really need.