Microsoft’s new Xbox One S All-Digital Edition still retains remnants of the disc drive.
You can find the disc based model for that much at a lot of places There’s no benefit in getting this new model
Not only that, but you'll get a new game bundled in with it too. The SAD doesn't have any game with it.
It does come with Forza Horizon 3, Minecraft and Sea of Thieves
Doesn’t it come with Sea of Thieves/Forza and something else pre installed?
Ah, ok!! My bad. None of the promotional stuff I've seen said anything about that.
You could buy all three of those games physical for less than $50, so you'd still be coming out ahead buying a $250 X1S, with a game or two, then buying those three games if you actually want them.
This whole bundle sounds like a test market. To see if they can get people to buy a system that has no used games market keeping prices in check. What happens if they want to kill the servers and the hard drive crashes?
The bundles on the S are $50 less and come with new games. Not Gamepass junk.
1- Removes the disc drive and charges more than a console with a built-in drive. 2- Keep marketing for a backward compatibility feature while releasing a console with no disc drive. Keep up the good work, Microsoft.
and a tiny non-replaceable Hard drive
@GGEZ: What? They just got done firing their last CEO, now you want to get rid of the current one?
Can they still use an external HDD? That's what I've been using. Are other Xbox Ones able to have their HDDs replaced? I did not know this.
external HDDs are limited by USB3 bandwidth, which is slower than SATA.
A lot of things they have done right such as the Xbox one X, play anywhere, and the Backwards compatibility stuff. They always start building trust back up and then do something weird like this.
Microsoft...the company that just can't get right.
Not defending it but why have the lost trust? Is it not the consumer's choice to buy it or not, have they rendered all other versions of Xbox obsolete and force it on everyone? It maybe a bad decision but at the end of the day it's consumer's choice. Same as it was my choice not to buy the half arsed ps4 pro, base model is just fine.
not totally lost trust but it's just a dumb thing they did by not having a whole new board with a larger hard drive. not adding anything to make it different really. Not near cheap enough at this point on top of all that.
If you don't like it, there is a device called Xbox 360 or Xbox (the original), if you also don't like the Xbox 360.
Does MS suddenly stop selling disc based consoles or something?
Feels like they're dipping their toe in the water for next gen.
The charging more is where I don't get it but aren't most (if not all?) backwards compatible games available via the digital store? Not saying it's as good as disc but at least (I think) they could still play all these games.
From what I can gather Microsoft has commited to always having at least a $50 difference in price (digital cheaper). This will be RRP so if so retailers choose to do different that is on them. Also, they are not replacing existing SKU's with this, it is another option. I can't see how more options are bad. People can buy what they want and for some (like me) this optik. Would be great. I have over 200 games and none are on disc. It is definitely not for everyone but I don't think it is meant to be.
Another fail to the list.
In order to remove the internal eject button and the drive port they would have to redesign the internals. It's the same board and internals as an Xbox One, because that's what it is. They aren't redesigning the whole thing. The system is already $50 too expensive, yet people are complaining that they didn't do something that would increase the price further? Where's the logic?
Where’s the logic in this system in the first place? It’s the same board and internals as an Xbox one, “because that’s what it is.” Then why would anyone want this over a regular Xbox One? It’s the exact same thing EXCEPT missing an important feature - no physical media. All while Microsoft boasts and markets their backwards compatibility, this console just plain makes no sense. All it is, is Microsoft testing the waters for how consumers will respond to a digital only future. It’s obvious that’s what MS wants, but if they really want to test the waters then they should actually commit and do a redesign and sell the All Digital box at a significantly lower price. But hey, I think All Digital is stupid anyways, so I look forward to this experiment failing badly.
Whether the system is a good idea or not is irrelevant to the topic at hand. The internal eject button and drive port are there because making a whole new console would cost too much money for what is supposed to be a budget console. It's too expensive as it is.
I think they're testing the waters, because 1 out of ten thousand people on the internet said they'd be open to an all digital console, because they don't buy physical anyways. But, I'm pretty sure 99% of those 1 out of ten thousand people thought they'd spend less for the console because of the removal of the drive. Not the same price they could have a fully featured console for. I know all digital people can be prickly about how much they adore digital, and how they want physical to die, but at the same time, I don't think they're so stupid to choose the lesser of the choices available. On the plus side, when these things fail, there will be some good fire sales, so maybe people can pick one up for around $50-100. That's kind of what happened with the PSPGo, except they really didn't have that many available on the open market.
Its an experiment. Not that bumping the price UP makes any sense.
This would have been amazing at $150. Might have been a great way to get people into the Xbox ecosystem before next gen.
Not true. Plenty of consoles are redesigned for cost saving measures. The PS3 Slim, Superslim, the PS4 Slim. heck go back to the PS1 and PS2 days and there are plenty of examples of consoles redesigned entirely that coincided with price drops. This All-Digital system was poorly thought out from its stupid name to actualization.
That's when they're switching to newer, smaller, cheaper versions of the CPUs, GPUs, etc. It's also usually replacing the previous SKU, meaning they don't need additional manufacturing lines. The costs are usually offset by the cheaper manufacturing. This system is using all the same hardware. Redesigning the chassis, case, etc., without significant cost-saving measures would make the system too expensive to produce.
Redesigns will come when they move onto a new phase of sourcing for the next batch of product to be manufactured. They aren't likely to scrap any available sourced products to make a new board or internals. Since this systems prospects are an unknown, I can see MS wanting to use the more readily produced main system boards, as it would keep the overall costs down.
"That's when they're switching to newer, smaller, cheaper versions of the CPUs, GPUs, etc. " Not necessarily. The PS3 had 5 generations of hardware with overlapping CPU and GPU processes going from 90 nm down to 45nm. The 5th generation PS3 Super Slim, which was a major redesign, had the same CPU and GPU as the 4th generation Slim. So no, you do not have to have drastic changes in key components in order to have cost-cutting measures in redesigned hardware.
Where the logic? That should be the Xbox catch phrase.
As far as a machining production tools for a new console would be ridiculous, 100% agree with you. But this also should have come in at $200 not 250. Or at least pick any three MS exclusives for 250 But in the end it's a SAD price to offer this at.
I agree. The price really should have been $199.
Should be $199
Should've been $199
I don't understand why they bothered to make this if it has the same board
They should just redesign the case and make it smaller now that it doesn't need the space.
That increases costs. All new internals and a new case, and it would need its own manufacturing line. That would increase the cost. This current setup allows them to just continue using all the same boards and chassis.
It would probably decrease costs because the case would be smaller, thus requiring less plastic. It's not some insane engineering task to make a smaller Xbox case. They're selling the digital only version of the Xbox One S for as much or more than the regular model, they can afford to change it for $250.
It doesn't increase the cost by using less components. It will cost money to redesign, at which point they can include other cost saving measures. Those cost savings more than offset the added cost of the redesign.
But it needs money
"It would probably decrease costs because the case would be smaller, thus requiring less plastic. It's not some insane engineering task to make a smaller Xbox case." It isn't just the case though. That's my point. In order to not have a drive bay it would need a new chassis too.
So basically recycle the current XB1s motherboard add a recycled 1s shell with no disc drive slot yup seems we have a winner. The only people who might be interested in this console is collectors to be honest this thing is useless. Save the cash and buy one with a disc drive at least you get the best of both world digital games and if you happen to find a cheap Xbox 360 backwards compatible game disc or find a copy of a cheap you can still play it.
What a waste of time and effort on this thing. Even the trailer was lazy!
Another LAZY attempt by ms to increase revenue with the least amount of effort. Remember how RICH this company is, why they still get so much fevered support is mind boggling.
I wouldn't recommend this to any body
Me either Just get an One X why would they release a discless Xbox with nothing upgraded How many casuals are gonna fall for this?
Is it really the same xbox one s with nothing extra done with the gpu or cpu what is the point of removal of disc drive with no other perks? Lol this is kinda SAD
I wonder if you can plug an other HDD inside. And rig the power somehow
I mean they should have done a all digital console years ago as a option to a disc based one. It's what I want to see with the next generation console a option for the consumer. A digital console at a cheaper price (about £100 cheaper). But releasing one at the end of the generation is silly.
I doubt even a next generation drive would be £100 to offer that as savings to the consumer, unless they decided to offer a deal in order to lure more people to a driveless system.
Should be 99$
This is almost as insulting as when Microsoft tried to sell a subsidized Xbox 360 towards the end of last generation
Really looks like an April fool hoax. Even the commercial is hilarious for the wrong reasons.
If they want me to support all digital gaming then they have to lower prices of games. I don't own a single copy of a single game I "own" digitally. So asking me for 60 dollars plus more for DLC and other add ons is really pushing their luck. I know smart phones work like this but look at the prices of games on those things. Very very few are over 20 bux. IF xbox wants people to completely all digital invest then we need to rethink digital property ownership as a whole.
Needed to be £149
I get the whole ranting about this. I really couldn't care any less about this console. But I think people are jumping the gun a bit. Let's try looking at it objectively. They already said it'll always be $50 cheaper. The reason it's not now is that there's a $50 promo on all Xbox bundles and the SAD edition is not available yet. So yes, if you preorder one TODAY over the normal SKU, you're a fool. But when this thing hits $199 or even $149 during big promos, that's when it may be worth the entry point to some people. Regardless though, I don't see this thing flying off shelves and I think it would have been a stroke of genius to bundle this console with GamePass to make it enticing. That's my biggest "WTF?" over this whole deal. It was so bloody obviously made for this type of console. Why that never came across somebody's desk there at Microsoft is beyond my comprehension. Especially when GamePass has been a big hit with gamers and potential consumers. They've been practically giving the subs away with the constant $1 deals. They're running a ridiculous deal as we speak. The games that come with it (besides Forza Horizon 3, *rolls eyes*) are on GamePass, not to mention FH4 is as well. You know, the NEWEST Forza Horizon (???). The marketing team at Xbox has been atrocious this generation and it baffles me how badly they missed this one.
Yup, they used the same motherboard and instead of the button there is a torx screw in its place for the eject button. Not at all the first time this has ever happened in an electronic.
Yeah I guess testing the waters for an all digital purpose could be a thing,but who's gonna do that? The disc based systems will still give you better deals especially when you acknowledge there is an used market. Microsoft what are you doing man?
thats just lazy
This was rushed.
Buying used games will save more money over time. $50 price difference isn't worth it.
MS must of taken a leaf out of Apple's book. They are flooding the market with multiple versions of the same device with ever so slight differences like iPhones. XB1, XB1s, XB1x and now XB1SAD
Said it before: I Personally think this is MS testing the water to see if a discless next gen console would sell.
This is exactly what they are doing. They want to see if people’s thoughts have changed since 2013.
I'll pass. Nothing special here and not what I expected. Console looks like SH*T