Blu-ray Doesn't Validate Your Console, Sony

Derrick Schommer's editorial asks the question: "Is Blu-ray dead? Tech Sites around the Net are calling it a "death spiral" and we're now looking at the downfall of the winning high definition format. Many non-PS3 Blu-ray players are still in the USD $200.00 range, a bit high for mass market adopters, and people aren't planning to run out and buy a Blu-Ray player in our economic slump."

[Fishy Fingers]

Blu-Ray isn't going anywhere. Regardless of how many "news" posts suggest otherwise. Eventually people will wise up to the idiocy of spending thousands on a TV to watch upscaled DVDs or compressed DD. Once BR prices fall adoption will increase.

BR has seen a quicker adoption rate than DVD I believe and that kind of turned out successful.

[JonahFalcon]

Um, declining market share says otherwise. So does Sony's recent hemorrhaging of money and stock collapse.

It's happened before (see: laserdiscs, DVD Audio, etc.) and it will happen again. Even *SONY* has said the format isn't going to last more than 5 more years - direct quote by them: "Blu-ray is not only finished in terms of spec, but it’s also finished as a format. Optical disc technology has gone as far as it can go." and predicts it'll be done by 2012 - at the LATEST.

[Fishy Fingers]

Care to provide a link for your "direct quote"? Because I have a feeling you might just be another sour HD-DVD owner.

[hay]

@1.1: That may be cause of fast growth of storage devices. With affordable 1TB HDDs, expensive 25gb optical disc(including writer/reader) isn't great option.
I remember when DVDs have been affordable where 80gb discs were top on the market. Single disc was ~5% of the hdd. Now it's 2.5%

@edit: Wow, it needs few seconds with google to see that it's 12% market share, not 4:
http://www.engadgethd.com/2...

[Capt CHAOS]

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[season007]

supposed to mean the format is finalized?

[ultimolu]

Jonah...provide legitimate proof of this please.

Sony's in a tight spot because of the economy but they're not doing SO badly that they're going to go out of business.

Please.

[Mr_Potato_]

@Jonah : Blueray market share doubled since HDDVD death, it's gaining ground everywhere. You'll have to learn to live with this success and with HDDVD failure. Denial is only the first stage.

[Pain]

Just Nuke the damn Horses already... jeez.

[Clap Your Hands]

and that is that it's wrong. Plain and simple.

Blu-ray's market share has almost doubled since HD DVD's demise, and is now at 12% of the disk-market.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2...

[RememberThe357]

Thats actually really good.

[Cheeseknight28]

http://www.techradar.com/ne...

It's under #4. "...Or so says Take Miyama, Sony product manager for home video marketing in Europe."

HOWEVER, the quote is definitely taken out of context. The part about it being dead by 2012 was said by the article writer, and NOT by the Sony rep.

[lokiroo420]

I guess this douchebag doesnt have an HD tv, Dark Knight is already freaking out the 360 fanboys to death.

[BigPenguin]

"Blu-ray is not only finished in terms of spec, but it's also finished as a format. Optical disc technology has gone as far as it can go."

Are you guys kidding me? This is not him spelling doom. I bet you are the same people who do not understand that the definition of theory in science is not the same as the one you use.

Finished in this sense means finalized, that it is completed(meaning no more advancement). His second comment means that he thinks blu-ray is the pinnacle of optical disks, that nothing can be better then blu-ray and still be disk based. Or as his second quote says: "in the future, if we have a physical media format, it will change physically. It won't look like an optical disc."

This guy was also wrong, because it was not even finished as a format, because they now have a 500gig, which was not even in the works when he made that quote.

So all in all, you guys are using a very positive quote about blu-ray in order to show its demise? I love when people make arguments without having any sort of basis in fact, even more when they just makes things up, as was done here.

[Beast_Master]

Do I have to read this again? BR is growing faster than DVD did and we still are reading these articles. I mean they note Netflix coming to Xbox as a killer? Dude has anyone seen the selection of movies avalible for download on netflix. It isn't mind blowing by any strech. What are these guys gonna say when 20-30% of Dark Knight sales are Blu-Ray? UMM UMM maybe it has a little staying power? I mean what is the market penitration of HD TV's right now? Last year I know it was only 20% it was supposed to spike to 35-40% by Dec this year. So let's not count out HD formats until the verdict of HD TVs is over. I mean seriously, tell me BR is dead when 70% of households own an HDTV and are sticking to their old DVD players.

[SaiyanFury]

Sheesh it doesn't end. What is with the trend in the media today? It's just a great way to attract hits to your site to bash the top dog and try to unseat him however possible offering whatever ridiculous argument they can? Blu-ray is the new DVD. DVD has now been around for just over a decade. DVD, while still popular, has been unseated by Blu-ray because of mass adoption of HDTV's and peoples' interest in watching HD content. No matter how the media may attack Blu-ray and spin the facts however they like, one fact remains: BD is the new standard that's been set, not only by the entertainment industry, but by the average consumer as well. Live with it, mass media.

Oh yeah while I'm at it, thanks Sony for the incorporation of a BD drive in my PS3. For 6 months it was my primary player and I loved every minute of it. Very forward thinking of you.

[Parapraxis]

The author himself has stated in the comments that he is enjoying all the adsense revenue this article is generating for him.
Don't click the damn link, the article is rubbish.
I'll repost it in full here:

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Is Blu-ray dead? Tech Sites around the Net are calling it a “death spiral” and we’re now looking at the downfall of the winning high definition format. Many non-PS3 Blu-ray players are still in the USD $200.00 range, a bit high for mass market adopters, and people aren’t planning to run out and buy a Blu-Ray player in our economic slump.

What’s the market share of the Blu-ray product? Four Percent. Blu-ray and the PlayStation 3 have a lot of battle scares after the fight with HD-DVD to “win” the format war. In the end, Sony won the battle but the war was not with the HD-DVD format, it’s with the average Joe consumer.

Does this effect the PlayStation 3? One of the up sells of the PlayStation 3 was the Blu-ray capabilities, it games and it’s an entertainment device all-in-one. It’s a great deal right?

“The advent of low cost up-sampling DVD players dramatically cut the video quality advantage of Blu-ray DVDs. Suddenly, for $100, your average consumer can put good video on their HDTV using standard DVDs. When Blu-ray got started no one dreamed this would happen.” (zdnet)

The obstacles against the Blu-ray format are huge, especially with NetFlix coming to the Xbox 360, high definition download options and licensing costs on the Blu-ray to movie creators. Blu-ray won’t die in this generation of PlayStation 3 consoles but many folks, including Apple, are pausing to see if it has any chance at all to break into the industry.

Four percent just isn’t enough to inpsire confidence.
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[FCC]

I'm happy for the success of Blu-ray and I know Blu-ray isn't going anywhere soon but the article has a lot of truth to it, mostly this one.

"Many non-PS3 Blu-ray players are still in the USD $200.00 range, a bit high for mass market adopters, and people aren't planning to run out and buy a Blu-Ray player in our economic slump."

I've been saying this for a long time now, I've lost a bubble because of it. This is completely true, I would have adopted Blu-ray by now if it wasn't so expensive and the economy is balls.

[Beast_Master]

You must be really young. Bc the fact you can get a BR player for 200 bucks not even 2 years after release just shows how quickly the price is comming down. This isn't like when camcorders came out, where it took almost 5 years for the price to drop. Every new technology has done this in my life time. My families first VCR was $800 bucks back in the 80s! In 1999 you couldn't find a DVD player for less than $400 bucks, you can get either of those now for 20 bucks easy. HDTVs I bought my 56 inch for 2 grand, 2 years ago. The same TV with 1080p is now less than 1,500. Dude if you think 200 bucks is alot for a piece of today's high end electronics then you must be like 5 years old. There is no other way to explain it.

[FCC]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR Beast_Master, my girlfriend and I are waiting until Blu-ray is standardized and it's not as brand new as it is before buying one for ourselves. We don't need super high def quality to enjoy a movie... We have a friend that we usually watch Blu-ray movies with on his PS3, that's the few friend that we have that owns Blu-ray movies, so we just go over to his house. Achieves about the same.

Oh, silly me, I'm 5 years old and can't afford anything. Watching movies isn't that big of a hobby of ours to blow 200+ on + the purchases of movies. That must be no other possible reasons... Silly silly me.

[joevfx]

declinign market share? what freakign sites are you reading, the declinign market share is for DVD not blu ray. blu ryas market share is rising while DVDs is falling.

[butterfinger]

how Jonah has nothing to back up anything he says. Everything that he provides is made up by him. lol. The funny thing about "nobody buying PS3 for blu ray anymore" is my gf's parents just bought a PS3 simply for that. lmao. You fail over and over and over.

[AAACE5]

They are just now really getting alot of movies over to Blu-ray, and more people are starting to switch over to Blu-ray. So BR will be around for at least another 5-10 years minimum.

I don't think people will like having to rebuy all their old movies again on a new platform after they just did the switch from DVD to BR, unless they come out with something truely great like 3-D movies you don't need glasses to see, or holographic movies and TV's.

[phosphor112]

Disc-like media isnt going anywhere. Unless you can get some kind of USB thumb drive that is PERMANENT, it's not going anywhere. Even if you have 1TB HDD's they STILL can be erased or wiped. Keep that in mind.

[PoSTedUP]

a death spiral killing every other format in its path wile actually spiraling upwards with big year over year increases and block buster movies coming out shattering records everytime a good movie is released and since every ps3 contains one (thankyou sooo much sony btw) their is no other direction for this format to go but up.

[JonahFalcon]

Um, Moms don't buy a console for the Blu-Ray. They look for the least expensive console out there to satisfy Junior.

No one is buying a PS3 for its Blu-Ray player anymore, so that invalidates your argument anyway (Blu-Ray players at $200 aren't selling well.)

4% of the market share now. It WAS 8%. And you won't see any indie films on Blu-Ray because the licensing is outrageously expensive - and indie filmmakers SHOOT in HD video!

[Narutone66]

I bought my PS3 for Blu-ray and also for games. You sounds like a pissed off HD-DVD early adopter.

[PoSTedUP]

as HDTV's become more affordable the demand for blu-ray will increase as it being the only HD format on the market after slaughtering Toshiba's HD-DVDead format and for those who can get a good HDTV for 500$ (in the near future after OLED's screens get bigger than my gameboys XD) and like to watch movies will most likely be buying a 200$ blu-ray player (or a ps3) for their home entertainment and blu-ray is doing really good for it being really expensive, with high HDTV prices and the economy F'd up i think everything will fall into place when the time is right and things DO take time ok. its 12% market share too ok not 4% Mr. Senior Editor sir >: )~.

[ultimolu]

"Um, Moms don't buy a console for the Blu-Ray. They look for the least expensive console out there to satisfy Junior."

Mom also doesn't buy something their child will not enjoy when they wanted the other console to begin with. Mom will shop for the right bargain with the said expensive console in mind. And if Mom cannot afford the console at the moment, she will *tell* her child she cannot afford it at the moment but when she has the cash, she will get it for that said child.

That's how parents work. They don't buy things a child may not want.

Try harder please.

[sretlaw]

"That's how parents work. They don't buy things a child may not want."

LoL at the times I've received lousy birthday presents...Your parents may buy you the console of your dreams, but most parents aren't like that. If a parent is going to buy you a console, and can't afford the PS3, then get ready for the ultimatum...We can't afford a PS3, so it's either an Xbox, Wii, or nothing.

I think JonahFalcon's comment on parents is closer to reality then your's.

[bunbun777]

Arguing over how poor they really are....

What would a mom do? Oh my!!?? Spend what she has, like all the other consumers in this country. Young boys should stick with the 360, if they can convince their parents to go with a PS3, than more power to them, but in the end it matters on what the kid can get away with. Or what he finds to be the most fun, usually with his friends.

[ultimolu]

"LoL at the times I've received lousy birthday presents...Your parents may buy you the console of your dreams, but most parents aren't like that. If a parent is going to buy you a console, and can't afford the PS3, then get ready for the ultimatum...We can't afford a PS3, so it's either an Xbox, Wii, or nothing."

And some children won't accept that present.

You're acting as if *all* parents would do that or something. Some parents aren't that stupid to buy something that *looks* cheap and sooner or laster, they'll have to buy add-ons when they realize the thing that they bought doesn't do everything they want it to do.

I never really received lousy gifts because my parents would tell me they can't afford it at the moment and if I can wait.

So I do believe my comment makes much more sense.

You have people out there wearing the most expensive sneakers and toying around with expensive phones. I wouldn't think they stole them or anything of that nature. Not everyone is as poor as you're making them out to be.

[FCC]

"Mom also doesn't buy something their child will not enjoy when they wanted the other console to begin with. Mom will shop for the right bargain with the said expensive console in mind. And if Mom cannot afford the console at the moment, she will *tell* her child she cannot afford it at the moment but when she has the cash, she will get it for that said child.

That's how parents work. They don't buy things a child may not want.

Try harder please."

Definitely not true. My parents bought me the cheapest things possible if I asked for anything. This is not how parents work in a non-suburban area. Even in a surburban area, (I kinda lived in between.) they would not do that, mine anyways.

My parents would get me what I wanted, just not the best of what I wanted. If I wanted a game console, they'd get me the cheapest one. I was lucky enough to get a SNES, that's the best of what I got. I got a half broken Sega Genesis back in the day.

Games would not be first priority for anyone, they told me education first and show them good grades. Even then I got half of what I wanted.

This has nothing to do with Blu-ray and 360 anyways, if paying $200 more would give you Blu-ray, there's no way in hell that my parents would even consider getting a system that has a better quality disc then the other, especially when the disc has little to no effect on the quality of games. Gears of War 2 and Resistance 2 are prime examples, both are extremely exceptional.

[butterfinger]

If you think there are no indie films on blu ray then it's pretty obvious that you don't know sh*t about what is actually on blu ray. Go watch your HDDVDs now.

[Hellsvacancy]

"Sony should never had saddled the PS3 with the drive in the first place"

Where in the article did it say that^^^^ i read it 4 times to check,

Gimme a sec ill go read it agin. . . . . No its not there

[theEnemy]

I think N4G should revised it's "Approving Functions" of some members.

Cause in this past few weeks, most of the news are either a bash or a flame-bait news.

[Gothdom]

I agree with theEnemy.

This site is becoming a warzone. The gamerzone and openzone is almost indistinguishable from one another. This site is becoming worst than blogs...

*looks at kotaku*

ok,almost worst than blogs...

[Jager]

Holy crap Gothdom, im going to sue ur ass rofl. i just sprayed some Hot Chocolate out of my nose and its all over my keyboard and PC screen... you bastard rofl

[PirateThom]

Why are people so desperate to see the only real HD format on the market fail?

Do you like upscaled DVDs that much?

Considering this is a gaming website, I'd think a lot of you would be interested in the latest tech and Blu-ray is that latest tech. It's not about consoles, it's about supporting the only way we'll get proper HD movies on our proper HD TVs.

[hay]

If you compare quality DVD movie(upscaled by ps3) with a quality BD(both on hd display) the difference is HUGE. And by HUGE I mean really HUGE.
Check Blade Runner for example. It's crystal clear with great sound. 1982 movie.
There's not much sense in comparind upscaled sd to hd. It's more or less like taking a low res picture and then resizing it using really good filters and taking a high res pict. No comparison, really.

[Tacki]

It makes no sense to me either, Thom. I was a film enthusiast (still am, to a lesser extent) before gaming came back into my life as my main 'hobby'. I bought, and still own, an HD-DVD player. I went that way because I wanted to experience the films I love in hi-defintion and I believed that would be the format to win out.

When it didn't I must say I was disappointed. It turned out that I didn't make the best investment... but I enjoyed my time with it and I got over it. I may have been a little bitter at first. I have no problem admitting that... but now I'll finally be getting some Bluray movies come this Christmas and I certainly don't wish for the format to die. That would be a very sad thing to me because upscaled DVD's are simply not the same. When I first got my HD-DVD player I had on The Last Samurai and my little brother walked in the room. He instantly went "Whoa!" and made a remark about how 'real' it looked. Why do I bring this up? He was only about 10 years old. I mean that's gotta say something when a little child can walk in and notice the leap in quality right off the bat.

I'm not saying that everyone who thinks Bluray will fail are 'hoping' it will... but it seems like often those who write off the format are doing it more out of distaste for the fact that it's associated with the PS3. That's just silly if you ask me. And digital downloads? How can you make an argument for that if it has even less marketshare than Bluray? I think no one should claim they know what's going to happen because it's an unpredictable market... but why so much hate for true hi-definition? Why would anyone not support the best quality you can get? Even if you 'believe' it's going to fail... why some appear to actually want it to happen that way is beyond me.

It's not 'needed' some will say. Again, what does that matter? Console's with hi-def graphics aren't 'needed' if you look at the sales of the Wii, but how many people here wanted them to go away? That's what I feel like. Many people don't like the Wii because they feel it's just a repackaged gamecube (not saying it is... just giving an example). That it's not 'next-gen'. Yet these same people will think compressed video and audio should reign supreme? It's 'ok' in this case? People just need to stop looking at the brands beyond these products and look at what they're bringing to the table. This isn't about the PS3 being the 'best' or 'superior' system. No, this is about pushing technology forward. This is about people having the option to experience film and entertainment in the best quality available.

[UltimateIdiot911]

Very well said. I do agree with you that all the hate on Blu-ray is from this media hate on Sony and the PS3. I don't understand why all this hate, it's as if fanboys ran the media. Shocking. Blu-ray is here to stay, fanboys and haters should learn to deal with it. I've recently began to purchase Blu-ray especially on Blockbuster hits. It's amazing and if fanboys want to live in the stone age, that's a big sign of denial.

[solidjun5]

I bet if HD-DVD had won the format, you would be seeing a lot less of these stories where the winner of the HD format would be getting bashed like it's no tommorrow. To me it's just derivitive dribble and while upscale DVD is fine in itself, you can tell a significant different with Blu-ray. I mean, I can understand SONY and PS3 hate among "fanboys" because it just validates what they are...Fanboys. However, coming from "journalists" where they are supposed to be above all that. However, this generation has shows some journalists are just plain ole fanboys.

[PS3n360]

I cant uderstand why anyone wouldnt want to see what their tv's are capable of. I also got HD DVD bought a couple movies, format died, I moved on with a PS3, finally decided to buy a blue ray movie. Looks great on my tv and not only helped justify my PS3 but also the cash spent on the TV. upscaled dvd looks ok on tv's under 40" but after that you can really see the difference. Blueray may be an intermediate step to the next format but it has legs and will do just fine.

[ultimolu]

I don't know Thom, I really don't know.

I used to be a HD-DVD fan but when I saw Iron Man on bluray...I was blown away by the quality.

Now I'm gonna build up my bluray movie collection.

[Bzone24]

"I used to be a HD-DVD fan but when I saw Iron Man on bluray...I was blown away by the quality."

Come on junken, you were never a HD-DVD fan. lol

[ultimolu]

Wow Bzone...I never knew you lived in my house and knew about my personal life!

I have a lot of HD-DVD movies dear, and I used to watch them on a daily basis.

Unless you're my secret relative or something, I suggest not assuming things about me.

Thanks.

[sretlaw]

Your comments are just weird...

So you still collect HDDVD? From the looks of your comments you do, or did collect, seeing as how you say you saw Iron Man's quality on Blu Ray and decided to beef up your Blu Ray collection, even though Iron Man came out recently and HDDVD died many moons ago.

[ultimolu]

Let me explain this the best way I can.

I *used* to collect HD-DVD movies but I stopped a while ago. Now, I'm watching bluray movies more often and I
planning a collection.

Capesh?

[Raz]

Why people feel the need to champion or dethrone a storage format, I've no idea. Don't they have anything better to do? ..Anything at all?

I guess it's hard to focus on important things if you're full of crap.

[JonahFalcon]

Blu-ray Doesn't Validate Your Console, Sony = Sony should not have saddled the PS3 with the drive.

Stop reporting that line. Derrick meant exactly that.

[Fishy Fingers]

Perhaps you need to go back and read the posting guidelines. You SUBMIT news, you don't EDIT it to fit your own warped opinions.

[PirateThom]

Doesn't matter what "Derrick" meant, he didn't write it, you don't put words in people's mouths.

Follow the guidelines or don't submit news, troll.

[JonahFalcon]

Um, no. I've been in video game journalism for over 10 years - as in, published in a print magazine, senior editor at a few sites. It's my description of the article.

Furthermore, the report spamming by aaron23 is kind of annoying as well. The article by Schommer is 1) based on recent sources, 2) an editorial.

I've never seen such fanboyism on any other site that desires to be a news blog. Stop acting like every criticism on a megacorporation is a personal attack on yourself.

Reminds me of this Zero Punctuation video responding to the rabid fanboy attacks on Ben daring to bash Super Smash Bros. Melee:

http://www.escapistmagazine...

Just... stop it. If you can't handle words on a page, maybe you should be doing something else with your time. Sheesh.

[Fishy Fingers]

Ha.... ok, cheers for the back story, but your using N4G so you need to follow N4Gs rules. Surely a "senior editor" can understand that?

Ha....

[PirateThom]

I could take any article and put my own spin on it. You submit news, not your view of the news anywhere but the comments section. So, you know, take your published works and shove them. It doesn't make you above the guidelines.

[JonahFalcon]

Ad hominem abusive.

Do you know what that means?

Calling me a troll and a spammer, and attacking me or Derrick doesn't make you correct. Don't like what the article says? Say so - but don't make personal attacks on the author because that just betrays you have no leg to stand on, and shows extremely bad character. Period.

"Blu-ray is not only finished in terms of spec, but it’s also finished as a format. Optical disc technology has gone as far as it can go"

http://www.techradar.com/ne...

Did I misinterpret "Sony thinks Blu-Ray is finished"?

[PirateThom]

I'm not the one throwing published works around like they make my opinions valid to the point I can put words in the mouths of other journalists. Whether or not that's what he meant is not remotely up to you, me or anyone else. He didn't say it, end of story. Just for future reference, you know. :)

[hay]

I think we have here an attitude problem. It doesn't matter how experienced editor or ninja are you. And what he meant is clearly only your(and other's) opinion. When posting external article it's important to post it as accurate as possible to original TEXT.
You(or whoever posted it) won't get it approved with added own assumptions. Like someone said, you don't put words in someones mouth no matter how right you think you are.

[season007]

what a world...

[Johnny Rotten]

"Blu-ray is not only finished in terms of spec, but it’s also finished as a format. Optical disc technology has gone as far as it can go"

this was another OPINION, you didn't misinterpret you just didn't quote what SONY said. Here let me give you the quote that SONY said.

“I don’t know what sort of technology we will have in the future,” he said, “but while using lasers and optical discs, this is the final format.”

However, Sony’s chief technical advisor for home audio and video, Eric Kingdon, explained that the Blu-Ray format is still a long way from reaching its full potential.

“I’ve seen prototypes for 400GB discs,” he said. “That’s approaching half a terabyte. If you went to 4K (twice the resolution of full HD), Blu-Ray is still big enough for a full movie. If it’s enough, then there’s no need to do any more development.”

your "journalism" is lame and single minded get your head out of your @ss and give credit where it's due.

[JD_Shadow]

Wow, Jonah, you're insisted to tell us that you think you're right, even when you're wrong.

You're wanting to push an agenda, it's clear of that. You have an answer to EVERYTHING and you're trying to pull these quotes out of thin air and say that these people have said them. Then, when people call you on it, you grill them for revealing it and try to shove your view down everyone's throat. Not a good way to get validated as a viable member of this site.

If you have that opinion, fine, but don't try to say that these people have said things that they never did and grill anyone for revealing that they didn't or try to insist they did when they clearly didn't.

[jlytle1234]

Yes, you totally misinterprested "sony thinks blurray is finished"
sony doesnt think blueray is finished. Sony thinks bluray is the last format for optical disc. Meaning disc storage isnt going to get any better than bluray. You can figure that out by reading the heading of that paragraph from your link:
http://www.techradar.com/ne...
"4. Sony thinks Blu-ray will be the last optical disc format"
you only conclude that sony thinks bluray is done because you read the rest of what other companies say and you take the title of the article and assume it means sony thinks blurray will be done by 2012. The death of bluray is only opinion and some magical date like 2012 is just pulling a date being pulled out of someone's butt. Dvd didnt overtake vhs for years and so dont expect blurray to overtake dvd for years. The high def age hasnt even begun. Most tvs are not hd tvs and most parts of the world are not ready for hd downloads. And drm for downloads hasnt been settled. If anything by 2012 bluray will have just overtaken dvd and the high def age will begin.
Then someday, 10 or 15 years from now when fast internet speeds can be available worldwide and for cheap you might see downloads overtake blurray.

[leyego]

@5.12
i call major BS
the last optical format? no thanks. i don't want to sit and wait for something to finish downloading so i can use it when i can just as easily run to the store and buy a CD.
i want something real, u no a disc, or something solid in my hands. something over the internet that can have rules and regulations on how many times i can use it is no good.

downloading movies, game, and other such things over the internet sucks. what happens if u forget to backup ur stuff? what happens if u run out of space? what happens if u get so many viruses up the ass and forced to format? what happens if u have to delete your stuff and u got no choice? piracy. hacking. stealing. need i go on?

all that plus theres no way in hell dls will take over the market in the near future, there broadband networks are crap.

[butterfinger]

You ARE a fanboy and you deserve to be reported. You interpreted a line from a BLOG (not allowed to be posted according to the rules which you seldom follow) and put your own fanboy twist on it instead. You are the problem with gaming today and you are the reason that N4G isn't close to what it should be. You shouldn't be allowed to post on here ever again. Just because you CLAIM that you have been published on a WEBSITE (LMAO wow, you're famous, you're on a website) doesn't give you the right to make up BS statistics and lines to suit your personal needs. If you don't like blu ray don't buy it, but expanding aisles in Best Buys, Blockbusters, Wal Marts, and Targets show that you are just a pathetic jealous moron.

[Raz]

Editorial = of or relating to a section in a newspaper, often written by the editor, that expresses an opinion.

We see editorials in news all the time...if you want to get really profound, we rarely see the actual facts at all; except in passing reference to an author's opinion.

So how is posting an editorial as news a faux pas, again? 0_0

[ThatCanadianGuy]

*Yawn*

Here we go again..

I Can't wait for this to fail so i can see who "Contributed" this fine piece of information.

Tho i think i already know who did..

[strotee]

It was shoved down our throats by a mod.

Members that have given this story their approval.
Catastrophe (10) - 5m ago

[aaron23]

cant believe these LAME MS sponsored articles are popping up every now and then with users tweaking facts to make BD look good

SONY shouldnt include Blu Ray so that PS3 games would be on 4 DVDS like Lost odyssey/Blu Dragon /eternal sonata etc

We would be stuck with 720p movies on LIVE unlike 1080p movies on Blu Ray with highest amount of bit rate

Blu Ray is now having a 12% market share
http://www.n4g.com/tech/New...

[Mr_Potato_]

Blueray won and it's here to stay. All those HDDVD fans should stop crying now, they really look more and more ridiculous each time BR breaks a new record.

[Stubacca]

Agree fully mate. Bubbles.

This site is great. But these 'articles' are stupid and lower the tone and maturity of N4G.

@JonahFalcon -You are the worst type of gamer.

[aaron23]

http://www.n4g.com/tech/New...

cant believe this AMERICAN media and its viral marketing campaign againt Blu Ray just because it is a Japanese product

[azmanmanz]

yeah.. japanese product is better than american

[OGharryjoysticks]

There have already been games released that have used more disc space than a DVD. I'm sure there will continue to be games that use the extra space as well.

[pp]

I'm happy with my dvd.

[aaron23]

There are only a few BOTS worldwide

everyone wants a Blu ray player

However BLU RAY will capture 100% marketshare in Japan by next year
same goes to europe

http://news.softpedia.com/i...

Nothing will prevent Blu ray from becoming no1

[Rhythmattic]

Yep pp, Ignorance makes you a happy child.

[fufotrufo]

hahahaha
blue ray gets bumps to 12% when big tittles like Iron Man are out

but normally..it stays from 4% to 8%

hahahahahaha Even Samsung sayas Blue Ray will be dead in 5 years or less

and they even have BR players

Blue Rayer is going to capture your ass 100% Nasim! by next week! hahahaha

[strotee]

Don't worry pp, we know you like to settle for less. You did choose the 360, did you not?

[she00win99]

i'm happy with your sister's blow job too...

[Imallvol7]

Still talking this SH*T when PS3 has the best game lineup this year?

[Pennywise]

Funny with the anti-sony campaign going on everyday on the internet Sony is still beating MS year to date WW in sales. Argue with that.

[DJ]

And its market share has jumped to 12%. Sales are double what they were last year...yet it's doomed? HAH

[theEnemy]

Wow.

With all those "report" on this article back there in the Pending Section and yet it still gets approved ?

[sthar_ca]

JonahFalcon: are you dumb on purpose? You don't write like a 12 year old, so I guess I'm speaking to a grown man... Why bore us with this crap? If BD is not there, how the heck are we gonna watch HD movies ? Downloads? Please!

The internet cannot and will not support this (and will be the case for more than 5 years). Where I live, we have limits of 1Go or 20Go download per month, and this is in Canada, not in some underdeveloped region... How the hell will I download many 50Go movies each month?

Would you prefer a third disc format? If not then blu ray will stay here for a long time.

[Johnny Rotten]

JonahFalcon and Gamestooge are nothing but adult fanboys.

[jlytle1234]

The entire country of Australia is not capable of a download service. Their internet is slow, expensive, and most have caps on how much you can download a month.

[FReeDoM4ALL]

Jeez, it has been looking much better for Blu-Ray over the last month.

I don't see how it can be on a 'death spiral' if it increases sales dramatically worldwide. In some places like the UK it has increased over 300%.

What do they want Sony to do? Switch back to DVD? Are they angry that Sony won the format war?

It should be made a crime for fanboys to be able to post BS news, and even worse that they are quoting rival PR bullshit.

[PimpHandHappy]

DVD's will also be dead in 5 years

well i doubt it

[ultimolu]

BLURAY IS HERE TO STAY.

End discussion.

Enough with this sh*t already.

The PS3 is an entertainment center. If I want to watch old kungfu movies, I do that on my lazy days. If I want to watch bluray movies, I can do that. If I want to play games like LBP and MGS4, I can do that. If I want to play online games and demos, I can do that.

HD-DVD fanatics need to get over it already.

[The gaming GOD]

Did they average out all these numbers?

http://www.blu-raystats.com...

And look at the last two months especially. Keep telling yourselves blu ray is dead all you want.

[BYE]

They need to cut down the prices of the discs!

Call me cheap, but I have a PS3 for over half a year now and still buy DVDs.

DVD = Bang for the buck
BD = You get banged for the buck

Edit: You randomly disagreeing guys who don't bother leaving a comment, check out prices in Europe and see what I mean.

[RememberThe357]

Amazon.com has great deal on Blu-Ray's. And how can you expect to pay as much for a Blu-Ray as you do a DVD? Blu-Ray is an HD format and is rather new, to be getting them at the price your getting is already pretty good.

[hfaze]

Then make sure to buy your Blu-Ray movies through a retailer that is charging rational prices.

I have only bought ONE Blu-Ray movie through a regular brick&mortar retailer (300 on Blu-Ray, $35) due to the retail prices put on Blu-Ray by most traditional retailers.

Now Amazon, different story. I have only paid over $20 US for a handful of movies. I got some of them for $15.

[Anon1974]

One guy linked the Blu-Ray to Sony's stock price. Sony's share price is down almost 60% in the US, but look at it in comparison to other stocks. Everything is down 30%, and on top of that you have the appreciation of the yen vs the US dollar hitting the stock another 28% or so. Just look at any other Japanese electronic company and you'll see they're down similarly...it has zero to do with Blu-Ray.
Also, with developers complaining about lack of storage on DVD - regardless of how Blu-Ray vs DVD plays out I think Sony made the right choice supporting ANY media that allowed for more storage than DVD's provided.

[DeZimatoR]

Gotta keep the 'momentum' always high up there!

*sigh*

[Mr_Luke]

BD is alive and kicking, over all in this period (i read something around, but i may be wrong).
But why all these nonsens articles?
And since when ppl edit the news to put there personal opinions like if ppl said those things? O_o
The only thing i hate of BD is the price, damn... they could lower it just a bit, it would be more competitive even.

[deividpaulo]

OMG..just another xbox fanboy "article"!!

Who allows this kind of article?...

[she00win99]

shocking resistance 2 ending

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[ultimolu]

You poopie head! >_<
*whacks*

Stop spoiling teh game! xD

[she00win99]

i said it was the ending, it up to you if you watch it or not..

[ultimolu]

Bsh, I'm messing with you. I don't get my panties in a bunch over spoilers. ^^

[ultimolu]

Bah, I'm messing with you. I don't get my panties in a bunch over spoilers. ^^

[she00win99]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[strotee]

Reported as Off Topic.

[Surfman]

bored of all the anti-Sony websites

[Mr Fancy Pants]

;-)

[reelife]

Although the Blu-ray was put in the ps3 so it could have bigger games, not only watching movies. Microsoft regrets it's DvD player because after the success of ps3's Blu-ray they released an external Blu-ray player only for the 360, which flopped... hihihi.

[Darkseider]

OOOH NO! The sky is falling! It's only the umpteenth article from an over opinionated talking head. Blu-Ray is growing in share daily and the proof is in the pudding. More Blu-Ray releases daily, 300% growth in England, stores expanding their Blu-Ray selection areas. Now let's get on to the next big headline.

"Bigfoot sited in NYC buying lunch from the "Soup Nazi"

[BlackCountryBob]

Only on the internet where untrained and unsubstantiated blogs supposedly about gaming could herald the death of a very new media format who has broken its own sales records 3 times this year and is increasing in market recognition and penetration every day. Pure tripe opinion piece from a unknown blog (which has no place in the news section of N4G)

[canadascream]

just once, i would like to read an article, not talk about how BAAAAD blu-ray is, but how EXCITED they are about the amazing options that are possibly coming out in the future decade! wow won't it be amazing when we can get AMAZING BITSTARVED HD over the internet because when we're able to download it, it'll just be THAT MUCH MORE AWESOME! and how it'll be a GREAT day when that comes! nevermind that i can get an absolutely unarguably superior experience now, but i just want something else!

that is the framework in which the idiocy of all these articles become obvious.

also, if the entire article can be fit into the description on the link, it's not really and article. and any writer of said "work" isn't a journalist.

[molsen81]

That's how parents work. They don't buy things a child may not want."

LoL at the times I've received lousy birthday presents...Your parents may buy you the console of your dreams, but most parents aren't like that. If a parent is going to buy you a console, and can't afford the PS3, then get ready for the ultimatum...We can't afford a PS3, so it's either an Xbox, Wii, or nothing.

I agree 100%. People don't understand how cheap parents are. One year I wanted a Sega Dreamcast and got the cheaper PS1 instead. I was pissed.

[The gaming GOD]

that is very true

Parents are INSANELY cheap. I remember when I was younger wanting a SNES, I got a genesis instead. This was back when the SNES had a higher price than the genesis.

So even if the majority WANT a ps3, because of the price, people will ending up getting a 360. $200 is a HUGE difference.

[tk]

This article makes up stats to support its claims. The past two months more and more BR good news. This article sounds like it is written a year ago when HD-DVD was still a contender.

[dschommer]

Thanks for the feedback/comments, after seeing the referrals rise I found the source of the chaos was here :-)

Thanks for those with constructive feedback, I appreciate the time you took to read through the article, no matter if you're in agreement or not. Granted, far too many people have nothing good to say but yell and scream and curse my name, but such is life on the Net and it's anonymous aspects.

For the record, I'm not a "fanboy" of any console. I've hoped Sony's PlayStation 3 console would take this year, through Christmas and beyond. Although it seems far fetched to think, at this point, they're going to take 2008 for "most sales," they've managed to stay in the market despite the competition, Wii's odd domination and 360's strong marketing and gaming initiative.

I also don't own an HD-DVD player or 360 "dead" accessory as I felt it was losing traction too quick.

You can, however, call me a fanboy, a Microsoft shill or other names as you see fit. You're wrong, but you are entitled to your opinion as much as I am mine. I just happen to write mine down with my name attached in the least anonymous fashion possible

Again, thanks for the reads and commen ts!

[RememberThe357]

It's your little friend Falcon thats pissing everyone off. I do however, completely disagree with you conclusion that blu-ray is going to die off in the next few years. And your figure of 4% left some people scratching they're heads. The commenters on your own site called you out for being misinformed, not for your opinions.

[hfaze]

The problem that we all have with your article is that it is nothing more than FUD against Blu-Ray.

The only legit gripe you have against Blu-Ray is the cost of the movies. But to say that either upscaled DVD or "HD" digital distribution (HD in quotes due to the unreal amount of compression required to make it even feasible) is a serious threat to Blu-Ray is flat-out wishful thinking.

Yes, the economic slowdown has affected people's purchasing power. But to say that $200 is too much for the average consumer is BS. The Wii is STILL selling like gangbusters, and it's over your magical $200 mark.

As far as digital distribution goes, let's not forget that ISP's worldwide are putting bandwidth caps on consumers. Cable operators are terrified that HD digital distribution will eat into their cable TV revenues. Why would they enable customers to easily go to someone else to get their HD programming fix?

And upscaled DVD's being a rival to a true HD format? Please... Upscaling makes DVD more palatable on a HD display, but it does not even hold a candle to the picture and sound quality of Blu-Ray. For a real quick example of this, pop a DVD into your favorite upscaling DVD player, start the movie, then pause the movie. Now do the same with Blu-Ray. You will see all sorts of motion artifacting and compression artifacting with DVD, while the Blu-Ray still looks like picture snapped on a digital camera. Even HD digital distribution looks better than upscaled DVD.

And where exactly are you pulling your 4% marketshare number from (other than thin air)? When everywhere you look it is being quoted as 12% and climbing.

This article REEKS of FUD. That's why you're getting flamed left and right over it. Enjoy your temporary boost in Google AdSense revenue while it lasts.

[dschommer]

So much angst :) Yes, I'm enjoying my "huge boost" in adsense revenue ;-) You obviously don't know how focused flash traffic works when they come to a website to read an article. Anyone that's "fishing for adsense boosts" probably wants to work more on organic search results, less on pops from other websites. Not sure where you're getting your numbers from on that, but impressions with adsense don't make you money.

Besides not being the one to submit the article for this "huge boost," I gotta say, nothing says internet love like a flame ;-)

[Kyur4ThePain]

Hideo Kojima humbly disagrees.

[AllseeingEye]

will be pushing so many bluray discs, it will give bluray the edge by themselves. Look at Amazon and see how many Dark Knight blurays are on preorder. Bluray is rising and thats a fact.

[oMaR1]

its morons like you that give sony a better name

[Nimbuster]

2048-bit encryption, 100GB capacity, red laser tech (meaning cheaper)... Cheaper and more storage? exponentially it's 16 times harder to crack? Coming out as soon as late 2009? Blu-ray won't stand a chance!

http://www.avguide.com/news...

[strotee]

That's great and all but without movie studio support it's stuck in mud. Blu-ray has studio support. Better luck next time.

[Nimbuster]

Right now it has no support, but considering movies and games have such a high piracy rate, studios would have no problem switching over. Use the existing DVD tech, replace a chip or two, and apply an encryption that's so much harder to crack... they have absolutely nothing to lose. Indy movies may be MUCH more numerous than Hollywood, but who loses more money with piracy?

[Narutone66]

a rewinder for that? It's very cheap and won't scratch your disc.

[zapata2119]

........is great!!!!!! i remember i bought a $200 dvd player 4 years ago what idiots blu ray isn't going anywhere i hope no one believes this bs

my bad allseeingeye i meant to disagree with nim and hit yours by accident

[lelik]

a 200 dollar price tag doesnt validate your console microsoft.

[djroberts]

Wow, the idocracy of this article. It basically says, "because the media says BRD sucks, it does".

When did the media start creating news rather than reporting it?

[yanikins111]

Fox News: "bush has won texas"

or something like that

[P_Bomb]

Jonah, you know why you're as annoying as the people who you claim "can't handle words on a page"? It's partially because you deemed it necessary to start fapping your resume in peoples' faces somehow assuming there aren't people here who might just have more experience in journalism/english lit' than you, who make more money than you, who have better educations or higher profile jobs than you, but are still somehow supposed to be swayed by you patting yourself on the back. By you job-dropping that you've been an editor etc for videogame rags on and off for 10 years so your opinion is more educated than others'.

Move over New York Times because this guy's playing with power, Nintendo Power! LMAO. Why don't you brag about your kill/death ratio in COD4 just to finish us off?

While some fanboys insist on SAVING my 52" 1080p HD set and 5.1 surround sound system from the awesome quality of Blu-ray/hi def (who invited you all into my living room anyway?), others with real credibility (not blogs) continue to be objective and have no problem complimenting the new format as a welcome addition and an option for consumers: http://www.videobusiness.co...

So who should people take more seriously, Roger Ebert or Derrick Generic? Hmmm...

[cmrbe]

the exclsuive PS3 games do

However blu is a great feature to have.

[aiphanes]

But 42 to 70 inches upscalled DVDs look like crap. You can see the video noise and blockiness.

You do not see than on bluray. Plus you can get blacker than blacks on bluray and a good 1080p plasma tv.

1080p 40 inch tvs are less than $800 now...even samsung models...well at least this black friday.

52 inch 1080p tvs are less than $2000 now.

Bluray players are less than $200 now....samsung and sony models included.

The time now is to go BLU!

Why would anyone pay up to $2000 for a badd azzzed 1080p TV and not get bluray? Most people are doing that getting the 1080p TV and then getting the bluray player (even a PS3) at the same time.

That is one reason why PS3 sells are up so much over last year. Bluray is HOT!

I got 8 friends at my work who have bluray players.
Bluray is going to the the hottest seller this christmas.

[ToeKneeHaze]

Blu Ray Validated it for me..it makes my eyes happy, and my friends jealous.

Happiness

[tonywood]

Gentleman!

Sony is just fine, as well as Blu Ray.
Batman: The Dark Knight will be a smash on Blu Ray. (Personally, I Prefer Batman Begins)
Also, Iron Man, Transformers, Incredible Hulk, Wanted, The Matrix Trilogy, The Pirates Trilogy, and the rest of Walt Disney equals tremendous sales. Ps3, combined with cheap HDTV sales (starting this winter), it's going down this holiday season.

In closing, I am only considering a xbox 360 for gears 2. (Thats how HOT the game will be!)

[Merritt]

I'm just reading all of these comments, and I keep asking myself, what does it really matter? Does a certain type of video format matter? Does it mean anything to you all in the end who gets your hard earned money?

Obviously it does, it's a stupid question...almost as stupid as these childish threads about my DVD player is better than your DVD player...it's only movies folks...only movies...

[macalatus]

If the author thinks that BR is dead simply because there is an economic slump, then we might as well conclude that HDTV is dead...those damn things are expensive as hell. If people don't care about HD movies, then they shouldn't care about HDTVs as well since they are already content with their SDTVs.

Stupid, stupid, stupid....

[MRMagoo123]

All that came out of me when i saw this was a loud groaning oooooooooggggghhhhh this is just getting silly now i mean come on already i'm at a loss for words how many of these articles are there and how many dumb pl are there in the world.Its here to stay and thats that FS.

[xwabbit]

Lol this article is just retarded

[TheDesperado]

It's over. Blu-ray has beaten all your favourite new formats, it has destroyed your pathetic HD-DVD player that you WASTED hundreds on, it has defeated your puny DD, and it will defeat DVD because BR is growing EVERY DAY.

It's over fanboys, Blu-ray wins.

[gersh]

That's why everytime I go into Blockbuster everyone is always asking, "Where the **** are the BluRay rentals?"

[yanikins111]

article fail

[robotnik]

How this this crap got approved, I saw it Failed Approval 22 hours ago.

Sigh.

[T-Baggins]

Lame blogs to downplay ps3 doesn't make you a journalist...Dip S!it

[baraka007]

If you don't like something why don't you act like a normal person and ignore it? If you don't like ps3 don't buy one but to write this stuff for over what 2+ years now seems like you have a mental illness.

[tordavis]

I bought a $70 HD-DVD player to get those titles that are either better on HD-DVD or haven't arrived on Blu-Ray yet. Plus it's cheaper. You can buy HD-DVD's for $6. I still support Blu-Ray too. I just like having options. Not sour at all that one format won over the other. It had to happen. I'm still looking at mass storage DD options to get ready for the future.