There are many extant questions surrounding Google Stadia, but it seems that game streaming finally represents a genuine threat to Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo and the idea of the game console that has largely held since the NES.
I’ll wait until it releases for it to be in more real world setting, cause unless they can overcome data speeds, caps and such here in the United States, it’s gonna have some big hurdles to go over
Not only that. Its all about games, there is no threat without games. Google should buy EA or Activision to stay in the business
They surely can make a lot of partnerships. But cloud gaming won't get rid of input lag probably for decades.
No single player no couch coop I think home consoles still have a bright future.
@bouz... you can play pretty much any game SP if you really wanted to. Some are just better with others though. couch co-op can still work with this. Two people playing in the same room, on their own screens, each with their own controller.
I wanna know what their solution is for connection drops. Nothing is more frustrating than when your hardwired 200MB/sec connection drops and your game lags then kicks you out. And WiFi is even more unreliable. Consistency will be a big problem for Stadia.
@darth: you gotta be online to play.. You stream, you don't download. Games are all running on a data center somewhere. I think you are missing something.
@bouz, you are online right now commenting. You mean to tell me that when you play your ps4 or xb1 or pc that you are completely off the grid? I play a lot of SP games but my systems are connected to the internet. We live in a connected world... it's just the way it is.
This is my fear. Google coming in and muddying the water for everybody. Hypothetically, say they buy CD project red. We still get whatever they make (after cyberpunk which is tied to a publisher I believe) but we have to play it with artefacts, compression and a ton of input lag. F**k that.
Stadia is PlayStation Now with a crappy controller. It isn't threatening anybody but itself.
All of you make great points. My reasons why it will fail: - Terrible input lag - image quality drops - abrupt stuttering/buffering - distracting resolution dips - lack of exclusives - invasion of privacy (that's how theyll achieve a low price point) - not necessarily owning your games library (they can lock your account if you post something against their ideology) - pushing their leftist agenda (instead of remaining apolitical). Overall, it is a fair statement to say that a streamed version of a game is an inferior version of the game. As it's base, a streamed game can only deteriorate more and more given the network circumstances, and to compensate for that, they bank on convenience, tangential features, and sharing to offset that. But, the game experience itself is what matters most. It's why Xbox changed Game Pass to allow for games to be downloaded and played instead of just streamed.
Is it just me or the journalist at Forbes always has the dumbest opinions when it comes to gaming..
No it's not just you who feels that way lol. Forbes should just stick to what they know best.....It definitely isn't gaming.
The thing with Forbes is it's an investment magazine. If you simply assume the person writing the article is just trying to increase the value of there portfolio Forbes articles will make a lot more sense.
They are so bad in their articles that I resisted believing they are THE Forbes magazine...
@gamingunited Their gaming stuff is not really part of their financial magazine. It's a contributor type of deal, where people can post their articles, and get paid either by forbes, or based on the hits they generate. The writers are forbes are usually some of the most clueless people out there, and if they were trying to make a financial analysis based on it being forbes, they are extremely bad at their job, because they should have been saying at the start of this gen how MS screwed up, and Sony was running away with the show, as everything was obviously pointing to that. Instead, they instigated plenty of click bait to try and bring Sony down. There is no impartiality in their gaming news or opinion pieces, and investors don't care about people's opinions, just facts. So, when I think of forbes as a financial magazine, it actually makes no sense that this kind of crap is even on there. I doubt these writers are so successful they have a huge portfolio to begin with. They're just journalistic hacks who don't care about actual journalism.
Why? they have a point with this!
@gamingunited Your point on! Finally someone else understands. And now maybe they will understand Patcher's articles and opinions too.
I think people are underestimating Google when they compare this to On Live. Google have as much cash as MS and if they could make their brand successful Google can do the same. Beating out the others depends on how many embrace game streaming but I think anybody who thinks this will die is in for a rude awakening. Chromebooks have been beating out other laptops in the past 2 years so do not underestimate the hype men from Google.
Lol Chromebooks cost $200. Google going against SONY/MS/Nintendo is like Chrome OS going against Mac OS and Windows. It doesn't stand a chance, it might coexist, but will not replace it, plus the United Sates doesn't have the infrastructure for this to be mainstream, also Google seems to forget people have data caps.
"It doesn't stand a chance" Said the Sony sceptics who believed trying to implement disc based media would never happen after Sega failed to do it (including Atari and Rare). And the Xbox sceptics who believed a console from Microsoft would never work. Yes, believe it or not Sony WERE being met with scepticism when they first entered here.
How much money they have doesn't matter if no one buys it.
So if money is the solution to everything , why hasn't MS won any console gens so far? When will people learn...
Exactly. someone who get's it!
@tehpees3 I've never heard people say those things for Sony or Microsoft, but I've definitely heard it for Ouya, Steambox, Kinect, VR, and so on. Believe it or not, a lot of us actually analyze a product before bashing it. When some of us expect something to fail, there is a reason, and plenty of reasons have been listed that needs to be addressed.
BTW Shuhei Yoshida was there at the keynote which suggests that he has some official business there too unlike Uncle Phil who was not there. Google and Sony are up to something.
Yeah, that's the key thing. Stadia has a ton of potential, and the capabilities are pretty cool. But it all comes down to how well it actually works in the real world. If Google's smart, they'll do a public beta during the summer.
Facts the company that executes cloud streaming will have an advantage in the stream wars and my money is on cloud azure master Microsoft.
If google's stadia represents a genuine threat to the console makers, then so does PC gaming, and even mobile. Both have more people playing games on them than all the console makers combined. Even if we discount mobile because it doesn't have the same kinds of games, PC gaming does get a lot of the same games as consoles, and even more. But, PC and mobile haven't caused the console sales to go down. So, all the punditry about how they were going to take over was just wrong. Same way this is probably wrong, or at least it will be a good long while before the market shifts that drastically.
I think the big difference here is that this is more so a shift in the kind of Media you play rather than what you play on. I mean we went from cartridges, to CD to dvd, than to blue ray and saw a significant leap in digital media. Maybe perhaps this is just the “next” step, take away the download and just stream it. Like we saw with movies- Film reels, VHS, DVD, blu-Ray, digital, streaming That is probably where the concern is coming from tbh. They’re taking away any form of content that you can store locally either physical based of downloaded, and handing all ownership to the supplier. Pc and Mobile is just another platform/device that offer games. Sadly if this is where we are heading, I won’t have apart of it. I like having the option to own my content locally and hate the idea of streaming a video game. Even though I do have PS NOW, I’m in the market of rebuying a cheap PS3 We know Microsoft is gonna push for this, Sony without a question is gonna overhaul PS Now to compete. Nintendo is semi doing it in japan already for third party games (assassin creed origin) so it wouldn’t be a surprise if they continue to expand on it either
It's a step in a new consumption method. It has it's advantages and disadvantages over other options. I don't consider the move from carts to optical media, and in some cases back to carts, as a major change in the way people consume the media. It's just a different storage medium. Streaming isn't a storage medium, but an actual new way to play games. I think the concern is really just doom and gloom so people can get hits for their site. Streaming will have an audience. It may succeed wildly, it may fail miserably. It isn't going to replace traditional gaming for the foreseeable future, and with all the Big 3 making consoles for next gen, it's probably not something we have to worry about for at least another 5-7 years, if one wants to be pessimistic about it. There can only be so many successful streaming services, and if say MS or Sony fail at theirs, or need to drop out, their only options are to try and keep the traditional alive, or go to software only.
In the UK we've got unlimited data caps and majority of places have decent internet, so that's not the issue for me. My big issue is button delay, I'm really not convinced they can eliminate it enough that it makes it worth playing games on over PS5. Games I'm sure will be announced soon, people forget that it was revealed at GDC, a conference aimed at developers, not consumers. Other developers don't care about games, they just care about the tech and how they can get their game on the platform.
Streaming games with low powered graphics found in switch is indeed a big threat to Nintendo on top of mobile gaming eating up its handheld market. You will see handheld Android game devices dedicated to play Stadia games. This I guarantee. Also Amazon, EA, Nvidia are also launching their own game streaming services.
But if Stadia comes to Switch, then why would you ever buy new hardware?
that's not what he said at all. 🙄
You can already play your games anywhere on Switch so no it no a threat.
I might add without having to have fast internet connection!
It's also a real threat to my 1TB data limit. xD
I think Microsoft may be in the best place to weather this storm, as it sounds like Google wants to do exactly the same thing Microsoft is looking to do. We will just see who does it best. Either way it seems like those 2 will have a leg up on everyone else.
This is making the assumption that either one will succeed. Just because they are spending a lot on advertising doesn't mean people will actually buy it.
You can pretty much gauge what the reaction to Xcloud will be based on the reaction to Stadia, and it doesn't seem like people are too impressed.
Meanwhile playstation now works right now xD and has proven itself and is only going to get better.
@demonicale The numbers speak for themself :) the only gamestreaming service available with millions of subscribers
Tyler101868 the vast majority of gamers will REVOLT against a Digital only console. See Microsoft for example. See others on the gravyard that tried a disc-less console console. If Microsoft goes back to trying no media again they will have the same problem as the reveal of the xbox one. Giving the lead once again to Sony! (too soon for a second Nintendo unless it is purely a console).
A real threat lmao, that's funny. Remember when the Ouya was "a real threat"?
Ouya isn't google.
No one said it was. Ouya was announced and marketed and raved about by media as the console killer that will take down S,M,N. It flopped and was a complete laughing stock. Stadia has been announced and is being marketed and raved by media as the console killer that will take down S, M, N. It's a laughing stock by all gamers and it will be DOA and flop. Ouya 2.0, if you can't see the similarities on hilariously bad gimmicky trash that is "going to take gaming by storm" despite a list of cons a mile long and no pros to it then that's pretty sad.
How is it a threat again? Maybe if Stadia released right around the time of PS Pro/X1X with a similar price then maybe. Remember when Mobile gaming was the trend and people thought console gaming was a dying breed? Yeah what are those casuals up these days.
It's a bit early for an April Fools article, Forbes
If it works as promised and they deliver exclusives then yes, it is a huge threat. I'll still pick up my PS5 of course though, but Stadia could be pretty awesome.
Only half the world has access to the internet and 10% of the ones that do have high speed 4 k internet so I don't understand this article its grade 2 math.
More of a threat to MS and Sony as they all have majority of the same games and features. Nintendo actually may stand out more because their different.
it doesn't, next.
It's another competitor. It has a lot of hurdles to get over in order to accomplish a feat such as mass domination/victory of the market. If it were to strive for such a goal, then the infrastructure would need to be vastly updated in a lot of places (perhaps they'd push for that), otherwise it'll only appeal to those with the proper data speeds, etc. And this is before we get into the notion of the games themselves. Sony has proven to be a beast when it comes to 1st party games, alongside 2nd party exclusives (timed or otherwise). Nintendo has iconic IP's with the trait of always taking a new go at how we play our games - with the Switch being a successful endeavour. If Microsoft does something with its latest studio acquisitions, it'll have its own pool of titles to market and grab gamers attention (Outside of Halo, Gears, Forza). Which leaves us with the third party market and how gamers will desire its consumption. I do believe Google is powerful enough and positioned in a way for Stadia to be successful - at an increasing amount over the course of time, but success doesn't = doom for all others. Edit: And truthfully it's not as if Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft will just let Stadia eclipse them. Competition breeds evolution, trial and error, etc. It'll shake things up, sure.
Stadia is definitely no threat to Sony or Nintendo.
Nintendo sure — they are in their own universe with their unique offerings — but Sony? No, I’d say Sony is most in danger. Microsoft is already heavily invested in their upcoming streaming tech and they have the infrastructure/data centers in place. Sony simply cannot compete with giants like Google and Microsoft in this arena. If the future of gaming is streaming, then Sony is in serious trouble.
For the next 10 years or so PS has nothing to worry about,hardcore gamers still want their consoles & their exclusives on their favorite platforms & those are Sony & Nintendo.Including the fact Sony has PS Now & if they wanted to go head to head with that type of subscription the have the money & resources to go that route.
The only one in danger here is Microsoft. MS couldn't compete against Sony and Nintendo. You know they are loosing. Now Microsoft is trying another strategy with streaming only to find out Google is going to compete directly with them. Streaming is not the future of gaming so if this is Microsoft only change, they are going to keep being last in the market.
This service has a shot. Google is becoming a 1st party with their own studios. That right there is enough to beat Microsoft. It seems the people are split on this 50/50. Reasonable people see the potential and the trolls just spout nonsense and parrot every thing they hear. So that is another sign that the video game consumers at large will give this a fair shake. The real concern is whether Google will stay the course if the road gets bumpy. Do they have what it takes to see their vison through?
lol no it doesn't.
No it doesnt.
On WiFi I get 400 to 450mb with wired connect I get 1 gig So I am definitely trying this out and I do not have data cap I know it’s not the same for everyone but if the price similar to Xbox game pass, I am in there like swim wear......4K 60 frames sounds amazing evening if it was a bit compressed it still would not look that horrible that I would not want to play If everything work well and it get Japan games too I won’t upgrade to ps5 I do not care for Sony first party as everyone mines a 3rd party only system so I have no ties to ps5 or Xbox two Only thing that would make upgrade ps4 to Xbox two is if the Xbox and switch keep up this friendly situation going I kind of like it plus I have a switch so that would be only hidden ace Xbox have other then that Stadia is looking beautiful each day to me just hope the price is good
and the internet is a threat to Google Stadia
No, it doesn't, lol. Not that I expect Forbes to have any sort of insight into the state of the gaming industry.
It doesn't.. yet. Residential internet bandwidth speeds and quality are going to be the biggest barrier to entry. Streaming 4K/60fps takes a good amount of bandwidth and will need very good response time. It's one thing to watch a 4K HDR movie where it can buffer video, but a game needs to be able to respond to your actions and that needs to scale to millions of users without impacting individual performance. I mean hell I can tell whether or not my TV is on game mode or not, and that's a roughly 30-40 ms response time difference. The pitch of being able to play "any game on any device" is going to rely heavily on our cellular phone providers and their eventual roll out of high speed 5G networks. Once 5G technology is actually widely available we'll be looking at data cap issues, since cellular providers are relying heavily on selling chunks of data to maintain their profit margins. In short, regardless of how solid Google's Stadia tech is there'll be multiple barriers to consuming that amount of data for individual households/customers. This'll be a great product/solution for Google Fiber and Verizon FIOS users, but that's about it.
ah these articles again, no its really not a threat at all, its just an extra option that really won't affect those already in with all or one of the big 3. Forbes really misses the mark most of the time when it comes to gaming. too bad you can't post on these articles like a year later so you can gloat that you were right :)
Until it flops and hardly anyone buys it.