Cross-play being removed to eliminate advantages due to better performance.
After all that fuss, reality sets in...
Epic made the decision because it disadvantaged Switch players but I wonder who had the advantage now in mobile: Switch or touch input.
I would think it disadvantaged both sides, because of the hardware capabilities of the Switch of course, but also the console's internet service. I don't play this but I would expect some lag (and lag diminish the experience both sides). This is like a huge hit for Crossplay with the Switch in my opinion, because if Epic/Fortnite (probably one of the most popular games right now and one of the richest devs) cannot make it work, what's left for the rest?
"Epic made the decision because it disadvantaged Switch players but I wonder who had the advantage now in mobile: Switch or touch input." it's easier for many to try and use this as a "see cross-play bad" when the reality is that the game has a bug that disadvantages weaker hardware which by the sounds of it would also affect PC and mobile players. Perhaps people should be looking at Epic for having a balance breaking bug rather than trying to make this about crossplay.
Xplay should have never been a thing, unless full parity in performance, controls and gameplay is guaranteed between all targeted platforms.
Crossplay ....what a BS thing from the start ...Sony knew about it but still thousand of wannabe "named" gamers (probably people who never touched seriously a gamepad)wanted or cried for the opposite ....i want to see their cries now after their so beloved Nntnedo departs from the "MS -created" mockery called crossplay
We tried to get Shawn layden to comment on how he feels about this news and this was all we got https://youtu.be/bj63nhV3Vu...
@naruga "Sony knew about it but still thousand of wannabe "named" gamers" Sony knew it eh? LMFAO, wow, the absolute delusional fanboys. Funny that theirs still crossplay between Xbox and PS4, something Sony didn't want either. ""MS -created" mockery called crossplay" Quick, let's find a way to blame MS!!
@gangsta_red Quick lets damage control for Microsoft and pretend it wasn't them pushing for it when Sony didn't want to do it at all.
@gamingunited Quick, let's be as ignorant as humanly possible and not use one ounce of thought and just blame MS! "This means Switch players will automatically matchmake with mobile players and other Switch players. However, it doesn't mean Switch players can no longer play with PS4 and Xbox One folks. To do so, they'll just need to party up, similar to the way mobile and PC players will only play with each other if they're in a cross-play party." https://www.gamesradar.com/... Too funny
You can use controllers on mobile.
I can't believe the amount of hurt people still have because Sony allowed crossplay lmao!
“Cross-play being removed to eliminate advantages due to better performance.“ Everyone should’ve seen this coming. Cross-play is overhyped and only a select minority care about it. Sony should’ve never have allowed it.
Hopefully, Rocket League will be next.
I agree. Crossplay is just what people latch on to because of stupidity.
This fiasco just accentuate how weak and disadvantaged the Switch platform is. Heck even on mobile Fortnite does 60fps! Its good that MS had to drag Nintendo through all of this PR BS - both got exposed in broad daylight! Dang! PS4 is just untouchable.
It was a PR ploy. Now reality sets in.
Sony should use this as a reason to block cross play in the future. Let Nintendo and Microsoft field the blame for the failure of cross play.
Should we add crossplay to the growing list of MS broken promises?
@gamingunited and @silly, X1X has the best performance of all available consoles. How would MS take any blame for Nintendo's weak console?
Just to clarify, Switch users CAN still play with people on Xbox one and PS4. Swith players are not only up against mobile players but also fellow Switch players and the same goes for mobile players. Plus, the pool is only going to be Switch users vs. mobile users if it’s a solo. If you join someone on PS4, XBox, and PC, and you’re a Switch player, you’ll be included in that pool.
This is true and confirmed by Epic Games. Players on any platform will still be able to group up and play together if they do wish. When randomly searching for a match Switch players will no longer be pooled with PS4 or Xbox One. https://m.imore.com/fortnit...
Yeah. That the switch is a POS and ps4 Xbox and pc players still cross play...
Right? Like people didn't put actual thought into this other than "Oh but it's what the media says the players want, it'll be consumer friendly." Come on Sony. Come one. Budge a little.
Well, well, well, Sony was smart not to waste valuable resources on crossplay after all. Where o where are those so-called gamers clamoring for this?
Sony didn't waste anything, this was all on Epic's side. And you must realize by now that there's still crossplay for Fortnite.
So what is the excuse for Sony having crossplay last/this gen then if its a waste of resources
dude, you can still play with your friends on PS4 and Xbox One. When you're alone it puts you against mobile and other switch users. And when you're in a party with PS4 and Xbox players you will be put in the console pool. It's not removing crossplay. It's just changing the matchmaking a little bit.
you can still play with your friends on PS4 and Xbox...
Yes, it has been confirmed by Epic Games. Crossplay is not being removed. Pooling however is changing. https://m.imore.com/fortnit...
https://m.imore.com/fortnit... “There was some confusion earlier about whether this meant that Switch owners would be able to play with Xbox One and PlayStation 4 owners. Epic Games reached out to confirm that this was indeed the case, but the pooling changes would result "an on-average better per-game experience" for both mobile and Switch players.” I like made up reality too /s
PS fanboys are so quick to justify sony's anti consumer actions.
Zeref They've finaly exposed themselves as the laughing stock of the gaming comminity. The most Immature ,.entitled bunch on N4G.
I do have a question: How is Sony anti consumer, when they have delivered generation after generation for the last 25 years? You would think that they would have been gone with being so anti consumer.🤔 Don't let your entitlement blind you to the truth that this only has to do with serving a purpose that you want. If this were something that didn't benefit you, you would be saying nothing. Hey, how about you buy the consoles you desire to play on, last I checked Fortnite is free to play on all avenues. Goofy
@SurgicalMenace: Ugh. Sony has been a company for over 25 years. 🤔 Nintendo as a company is over a hundred years old. I’m not sure if you know but companies rebrand all the time. Typically because they’ve either become known as anti-consumer, their products flop, they enter new industries, they get bought out. There’s a rather long list. Sony was also not always known as Sony. This is one example of an anti-consumer stance by Sony within the last 25 years though. https://www.pcworld.com/art... Their refund policy isn’t exactly consumer friendly either.
I bet Sony will be rolling their eyes right now.
Ha! So no more #survivetogether crap? Basically Epic is saying when it comes to cross play Switch is the losers platform. So if Epic knew this was the case why did yhey still push this crossplay agenda of MS? To think that Sony got so much public crap gor this crap cross play... another big L for MS and Nintendo
I'm reading these comments and I'm just floored with how ridiculous some are. Crossplay is still available between Xbox and PS4, nothing changed there. How is this even an L for anyone? And how is this an agenda of MS when this is a game by Epic and that Epic was pushing to happen. This doesn't even effect MS in the slightest bit, because (once again) there's still crossplay between PS4 and Xbox. And there's crossplay between mobile devices and Switch. But yeah...MS agenda that Sony knew all along and was getting crapped on for it....poor Sony.
They should be elated if this was actually a big issue. I mean, apparently, lack of cross play will cause a system to fail, and with Switch gaining on PS4, it means that Switch will now fail. Of course, in the real world, cross play isn't an issue at all, and it won't help or hinder system sales, but sometimes one has to address the arguments that people bring up on why cross play is important. It's not like we didn't have many articles citing cross play as one of the reasons why MS would win next gen.
I've never and nobody I know has bought a game or bought a console because of cross-play. It's an extra feature, but not one that should be mandatory. Couldn't give a rat's @$$ if Xbox has a small community, I'm on PC, baby! And with Master Chief Collection announced for Steam and already projected to be more successful than the Xbox version, Microsoft is slowly moving away from their failure. Let them dream though. Bubble's going to burst any moment inevitably.
Meanwhile at Sony https://media1.fdncms.com/o...
I’m waiting on those that we’re ready to hang Sony for being “anti-consumer” to have the same conviction against Epic.
"It just works" And it didn't and you can clearly see that community being almost non-existent. There will be no articles about this kind of problem because at the time, it was all just clickbait for "journalists" and the weird Xbox community needed something against Sony at the time it had nothing, even till this day.
Except you can still do crossplay between all three consoles... so I guess you'll be waiting for a long time.
You can still play with people on Xbox and PS on Switch. This is just another classic example of people spinning some none news out of control like always on N4G. For clarifications, Switch players are not only up against mobile players but also fellow Switch players and the same goes for mobile players. Plus, the pool is only going to be Switch users vs. mobile users if it’s a solo. If you join someone on PS4, XBox, and PC, and you’re a Switch player, you’ll be included in that pool.
"This is just another classic example of people spinning some none news out of control like always on N4G" Well to be fair you would know about that... https://media.giphy.com/med...
Eddie, seriously give it up man.. it just looks sad.
Blah blah blah... more damage control from Ninty zealots as usual. Pathetic.
People are clearly misinformed, I'm here to provide some clarity. What's hilarious is all the Sony fanboys commenting on here XD!!!!!!! 'crus pleh fukcin suucks Hur dur, Swetch is weak' Cmon guys, easy you'll hurt my feelings ;( .... /S XD
@MisterLou Damage control? L.M.A.O! That is so hilarious to read...you know what else is funny to read... Crossplay is dead! Sony was right!!! https://www.gamesradar.com/... "This means Switch players will automatically matchmake with mobile players and other Switch players. However, it doesn't mean Switch players can no longer play with PS4 and Xbox One folks. To do so, they'll just need to party up, similar to the way mobile and PC players will only play with each other if they're in a cross-play party." https://www.polygon.com/for... "There’s good news for friends playing on different consoles: They can still invite each other to play Fortnite, regardless of platform. It’s just random matchmaking that comes with the new restrictions on player pools." Eddie is speaking the truth, Switch players can still crossplay with PS4 and Xbox. But for some reason Microsoft's evil plan of crossplay for a game made by Epic has crashed and burned and now there's much celebration needed...even though Switch,PS4 and Xbox can still crossplay with each other... Got to love this site!
He is right tho, it’s only for solos. Switch can still play with any other platform out there. But if you’re doing a solo it’s going to be with people of that particular pool of systems. I thought that was always the case w solos
I'm still trying to understand why they would allow a 30fps machine to pool with 60fps machines. Fortnite isn't much of a demanding title graphically and the switch quite simply cannot handle it. Also when you party up with a teammate on switch you will have a major disadvantage.
This is truth. It has been confirmed by Epic Games. The developer of Fortnite and the company who created Fortnite crossplay. Here’s another source to add to gangsta_red too. https://m.imore.com/fortnit... “There was some confusion earlier about whether this meant that Switch owners would be able to play with Xbox One and PlayStation 4 owners. Epic Games reached out to confirm that this was indeed the case, but the pooling changes would result "an on-average better per-game experience" for both mobile and Switch players.”
Due to poor optimization on Epic's part, yet people will use this for their agenda and go "SEE? CROSSPLAY BAD! SONY GOOD!"
Can you tell me exactly what a monopolizing business like Microsoft is actually after with cross-play? Is it to limit or control hardware? Is it to open up another avenue of attacking their competitor? Or is it a push from third party developers so that they can create services/gamepass type approaches to charge monthly fees for? I mean... what is the reality here in this billion dollar industry? Or do you really think it is just about letting two consoles install base play together? If so, I have bridge for sale if you are interested.
...This is about Microsoft crossplay how? I thought Fortnite, the title listed here isn’t from Microsoft. Isn’t that why Sony allowed it? Then doesn’t Epic Games, the developer of Fortnite not have their own crossplay setup? Ya know, the Epic Games account? Come to think about it... How did you add Microsoft to this conversation again? 🤔 I think you may need that bridge more than others. You need it to fill that gap.
@tgeundertaker85 If it is not about Microsoft, who is it about? Sony has offered more cross play titles and for longer than any other console on the market...so why is it they who are getting attacked? It makes no sense. EVERYONE under the sun knows that the best hardware gives an advantage per gaming. That’s why many console players do not want to play against pc players. Everyone knows that unless the game is coded to make up for its lack of power, the ps4 and Xbox one x has an advantage over Nintendo’s switch. Who has the most money in the media out of all the consoles? Microsoft. Who is suffering from a dying install base due to their lack of software? Microsoft. If the install base is dying, where are they going? To the competitor. What is the best part for any company about service plans? People commit, but then stick with it. What does this do to a competitor? Removes their ability to compete due to most people do not want monthly financial responsibilities for multiple devices for one hobby. How can Microsoft keep this door open? Cross-play and cross-save. Remove the locks of having one service so people can come and go per whatever trend marketing has created. Microsoft’s entire focus for the last 5 years is this very aspect. They are fighting for more than a “console”. For the last 20 years, Microsoft has only worked hard on creating strongholds on consumers needs in order to keep their relevance in any aspect they are in. They are a trillion dollar business because if this. What do you think they are trying to do when the facts clearly outweigh the pr attack on crossplay.
Do you have to answer a riddle in order to cross your bridge? This article is about Switch and mobile cross play, too. Believe it or not, cross play isn't a Microsoft issue. The goal is to expand user bases, increase player retention, and yes, make money off of games. The makers of games...like Fortnite...want those things. Platform holders want these things. Gamers interested in MP want well- supported and populated games. To respond to one specific point, though. You do realize that a company rejecting crossplay in order to protect its interests in a fully closed system is much more monopolistic than being open to it, right?
@Rude-ro You hush now with that context talk. You know we aren't supposed to consider any of these developments in context. We're supposed to pretend Xbox's sudden crossplay interests are unrelated to their standing in the console market and expressed interests in bringing their services to competitors' platforms. @Atom Sony protecting their closed ecosystem is not monopolistic. That's essentially them staying to themselves as opposed to, say, creating a trojan horse to get onto other platforms to make your competitors' customers your own.
@Atom “Crossplay is not a Microsoft issue” The cloud based giant that is trying to remove the importance of hardware to control software? That company? What this articles topic points out... who is controling all of these “crossplay” articles? Really? So Sony not opening up to Microsoft is monopolizing their brand? How? You do realize that, across the globe, Microsoft’s os has been THE largest contributing factor to the largest hacks and information theft in history? Maybe other companies do not find the value in opening up to Microsoft? Just maybe? See, the beauty of owning and controlling most tech media sites, is the release of information. What was it, last year when Windows was responsible for THE largest hack in history? But Sony’s breach on a console was worthy of news that went well past a year. Monopolizing would be buying and soaking up other businesses to protect self interest. To force open closed doors to use other means to strangle our competitors. To drive demand. Marketing and business 101. Sony approaching cross-play cautiously is not monopolizing, it is protecting its interests. Opening said door to Microsoft opens the possibility for Microsoft to gain controlling interests. Such as internet providers thanks to the net naturality law that was cut. Throttling through third party developers etc... The door is not a simple hello everyone approach in billion dollar business world.
@rude, good points but you may as well p1ss in the wind.
Ah, another Netscape fanboy, eh? I know, I know. Microsoft is paying Epic to make Switch players play with iOS users and then pay nintendolife.com to write about it to attack Sony. It's all part of their goal for global domination.
@Atom: Did you just call a company protecting its interests a monopolizing entity? Boy o boyo...someone needs a lesson in Business 101.
Nah, I said the closed system approach was more monopolistic. Would you not agree that a closed console ecosystem is not an example of a monopolistic market? No one is calling Sony a monopoly, but neither was Microsoft to the degree people think. Just ask the courts.
OK so is the fact the a game is poorly optimized giving people a disadvantage, not a valid reason to stop cross play? Bad optimization is common in gaming, also the switch has weak hardware.
It's a valid reason to add the OPTION to disable crossplay like many advocate for. Sea of Thieves even does this so why is it so hard for Epic to add that option for all of you who oppose this feature?
If they do that people unaware of the disadvantage will flood epic with complaints.
"If they do that people unaware of the disadvantage will flood epic with complaints." Then Epic can just educate them about how to turn it off when they complain.
@Sw33tBoi Its cheaper to just disable it.