According to Guerrilla Games QA Manager Seb Downie, the "Lean and Peak" system seen in Killzone 2's single player campaign will not be present in the game's multiplayer mode.
That makes sense since many loopholes exist when using the cover systems.
get a full view of you and you couldn't even see them..
makes sense to me.
comment: That is a good decision. I dont like cover on a FPS. question: Does killzone have a matchmaking for online play? I hope it does or else, it would kill it for me (at least online).
WHAT??? Think of all the multi player games that have cover and it ADDS to the game. But KZ2 thinks people wouldn't use it? Bullcrap!!! Put it in the game and let people use it if they want and if they don't know how to guard their flank then that is their issue. This whole reasoning is just cover-up!!!
HMMM...the cover system in Rainbow 6 vegas and Gears 1 & 2 seem to work well within a "360 environment"...
From the videos it seems pretty obvious that you stick out a little when behind cover. Your head seems slightly exposed, and a few limbs are probably hanging out too. That's fine against AI opponents, but it would be ridiculously easy for real players to pick people off. If they left it in, I guarantee no one would use it after the first hour of online gameplay. Anyway, I'm sure you can still kneel behind cover and everything, you just won't stick.
Yea, I can play the game anyday I feel like it (you should be able to figure out how), so I can tell you first hand, that it would certainly break the game if there was a cover system, it's a run and gun shooter, much like CoD and not a tactical one like R6:V or Gears, it would slow everything down and the whole thing would be less engaging, having no cover system in multiplayer works.
You two do know that the games you both mentioned, or at least Man mentioned, are Third Person Shooting games? That's why cover system worked for them in MP! KZ2 is a FPS game, there's no need for cover system. Name one other FPS game that has a cover system where you can peak and shoot.
thanx for pointing out that the cover system for two TPS works well...now back to this here uh, FPS!
Why is there no Prone?
really!!?? new to me, i always thought 'cover stuff" was just there for me to shoot when i miss the enemy.
Ghost recon had it originally. It made some camping spots ridiculously overpowered though. It was fun, but really cheap. Some, the only way you could kill the guy was to be behind him, or hide so good he didn't know you were there to shoot. They're justification is more than enough to remove it from the game tbh. In an fps, anything outside of leaning will hurt your movement and makes you really vulnerable when you're stuck to things.
The best way to handle this by GG is to implement the OPTION to use either in the server setup options. So people who want cover and those that don't are both satisfied. I honestly don't see a problem with it either way...after playing Counterstrike for more than 8 years without a cover system & prone capability it didn't hurt that game so it won't hurt K2. Simple. Not a big deal.
Of course it makes sense *to you*. Your an irrational zealot. To the rest of the world, this is a "WTF" answer. Not every game should be a run-and-gun shooter. Killzone2 was going to be the first proper cover-based Multi-player for PS3. Now what? It would be nice if you zealots would admit when you're getting lied to and shafted. Its too bad you'd rather bend over backwards and make excuses than keep them honest -- its only YOU who looses.
Look, the best ting to do is make yourself heard. Go to the thread (or anywhere else they have something similar) and post! Let GG know what you feel. If you don't then you really can't complain if they didn't know, right? I posted and hopefully it will brought to GG's attention. But if thousands more of us request these features to be included it will have a greater chance of being implemented or offered as an option at least! Seriously, if you can take the time to beach ;) & complain here you could do the same over there...I bet you will be heard and your opinion would carry much more weight as well as possibly do some good! Think about it, if even 100 N4G'ers (or whoever) went there and let GG know how they felt about which options they need to keep then I wouldn't doubt GG will have to re-evaluate how they handle it.
Actually only gears is a third person game - RB is a first person that then goes into a 3rd person when in cover...also you can choose 1st person only view in Ghost recon and still use a lean cover system...and that seemed to work fine... The excuse of being in a "360 environment" is a lame excuse to not have a cover system in a shooter game...(for online) In the COD single player campaign it was linear...and yet i still had the enemy AI show up beside/behind me in many cases - are you telling me that KZ2 is so linear that you will never have guys shooting at you from the sides or behind??? cause thats pretty crappy then...what is the scense of being able to move your gun in a complete 360 degrees if all the fighting is going to be infront of you...
It's a design choice. They want the game to play a certain way. rying to make it sound like a flaw is as stupid as the instances of people claiming Gears of War 2 should have 40 people in its competitive games. Balancing weapons and level design in an MP game is rough enough. Adding in level balancing for a cover system too would take even more dev time. I can respect their choice, especially considering the praise I've heard from the Beta. I just wish they would allow you to HOLD to aim, instead of just toggle.
and those come a dime a dozen. 360 range motion arena based combat with 3rd person cover gaming works because you can see just about everything. But in in a FPS thats a little different. also things to keep in mind.. the maps for 3rd person shooter with cover are relatively small and is mostly for choke point play and only support small number of players. 2v2 4v4 5v5 and very seldom, 8v8. These maps and game play types are made for tactical shooting and close combat play... for a Game like KZ2 the removal of cover from multiplayer was a given. and i applaud them.. These maps will be crowded... if you didn't realize the game maps support up to 32 players... that freakin insane.. thats a fragfest trying to find cover and tactically shoot somebody while being shot at in a frantic war zone = massive cheap shots and unenjoyment from most everyone on that server.. i for one thank GG from scrapping that as it make more sense to keep that function in the single player campaign where the AI is always or most of the time in front of you and in a linear progression. good deal... KZ2 equals awesome
Exquisik, I think you are incorrect. Last time I played Vegas2 it was a FPS. It just pulled back to 3rd person when you gained cover. Simple fact is that KZ2 does not have a good cover system built. they dumb down the AI in solo play so they don't pick off your legs and heads that stick out??? Why not just fix the cover system? Think of ALL the games that have cover systems and you will realize that in a tactical shooter that it comes in handy... now if you want a run and gun Halo game then so be it. But don't offer cover in solo play and take it away because you gimped the system and don't have the balls to fix it. More lackluster "we did things this way for the fans..." bullocks! you did it because you didn't have the time or inkling to fix what you created. Just FIX the cover and add it to the game... if people want to use it then let them. If they don't then they don't. It doesn't take away from the game play!
Makes sense, although I would of liked to have seen it maybe implemented in a single game mode, maybe like 4Vs4 clan battles, I could see the cover system working quite well in a more tactical setting. Then again, you'll always have the 4 player co-op if you want to get your "lean and peak" on with friends. I know I do :)
"It didn't work too well in the 360 degree combat environment that is multiplayer," wrote Downie on the Official PlayStation forums. "In single player the path is more linear and the action is usually ahead of the player. In MP levels are more arena based and you are more susceptible to flanking and being attacked from various angles." - Makes sense to me. From what I've seen and people who've been in the beta have told me and from IGN and other sites impressions, this is one of the best multiplayer experiences out there. Can't wait!!
So they want you to play multiplayer the way they wish. not the way you want??? Even in an arena style stage team work would be enhanced if you had a cover system and you new to use it that you would have to have each others backs!!! Or even the opportunity to go in and out of cover to deal with a person in FRONT of you. Duh... Think about it... makes sense!
It makes perfectly logical sense not to include for those reasons, although you will most likely still get the 360 fanboys and PS moaners jumping on this.
Sorry but this was the nail in the coffin. Im offically off the Ps3 bandwagon. Sorry but this officially makes Gears of War better than KillThe years in development were wasted have fun Sony you officially just lost.
This comment made me smile.
dont blame Guerilla, Blame the Beta Members who are giving their feedback to Guerilla, I trust Beta Members word over your word BTW. That is the point of a beta right now. If they think its not good for the multi-player, then go ahead, as long as the multi-player is solid and amazing, i dont care.
This has to be sarcasm, right. Seriously, nobody can be this... ah, f*ck it!
atleast learn to name ur accounts correctly what an embarrassment learn to troll properly please
Sucks for you , ur gonna be missing out on one of the best FPS this gen , but GG logic makes sense to to , big deal it will only make the MP gameplay better so why complain ?
I guess he wants Guerilla To destroy their Reputation again by destroying the multiplayer component of the game.
You all realise that PatchMe was joking don't you? That was so so so so SOOOOOOO over the top that NO sarcasm tags were needed. If you couldn't get that I would be ashamed of yourselves. The game is gonna rock ... end of story.
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Ah you, see, when a game has a realllly small amount of players like in Gears 2, you can get away with this kind of system. Try doing this with 32 players (also known as over 3xs the amount of players in a MP match in Gears 2)
So why take it out? Really... someone tell me? If people want to use it and they get waxed doing it without someone watching there back then let them do it. They are lieing when they say it is not useful! Get teams together and try it... you will find all you run and gunners are getting whacked!!! But I'm not purchasing the game so it doesn't matter to me... a develpoment team spilling this crap is so bogus though. And you guys eat it up... Oh... we are doing this for your benefit. We are saving you from humiliation of getting snuck up from behind and getting killed. hahah ROTFL
Well I haven't played this game, but it looks like it might be a little more run and gun like CoD, so I don't think it would work that well anyway.
Doesn't COD4 have cover????????
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What a HUGE MONUMENTAL mistake they made. Sorry but FPS are a bit old no matter how good the graphics are. What an absolute joke of a game. 3 years in development and online and offline will offer 2 totally different expierences. Can you say LAME! Not buying it, you lost my sale, ill pick up Gears 2 I guess for true cover action.. Sony officially cant do anything right. No one dang thing. Im tired of defending their actions. Im done.
are u crazy or something?? have you played the KZ2 beta?? it doesnt look like a normal shooter that u have played It looks and plays much better than anything else out there Guerilla are a very talented dev team. They did whats right for gameplay. talking of gameplay kz2 beta plays amazing
@PS3fanboy First off its your fault for defending Sony in the first place.Its just a heartless company. Second,you should play what you want to play.It wouldn't matter if Killzone 2 or Gears 2 was on either system because I would still buy them and enjoy them.Thats why people need to follow their own path because if you follow either Sony,Microsoft,or Nintendo,you will get screwed in one way or another
For supporting the Ps3 for as long as I have. Enjoy the game Ill pass as ive played plenty of FPS.
LOL FPS games is the saturation of gaming obviously
Troll!! Simple as that...would say Open Zone it where you should be but you have posted there as well and your still a troll!!
It's clear you never tried it. And you think Sony cares if they loose you? Or if you don't buy the game? I don't think so, since the game is superb and will sell a lot (and yes, i'm a beta tester, so i know what i'm talking about). And as usual... sadness...
'online and offline will offer 2 totally different expierences.' Aren't the campaign and multiplayer modes supposed to give you different experiences? Is the Halo 3 campaign the same experience as the multiplayer? No. Same goes for Gears, Resistance, CoD4, etc.
:) i think seb knows best
Obviously Patchme360 did not realize this multiplayer feature was removed long ago in September.He got off the PS3 bandwagon today even though he should have known this was going to happen?
Patcheme360 and PS3fanboys stupid fanboys cant even name dup accounts properly
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Im so frigin sick of this console. Killzone 2 just another FPS.. That took 3 years + in development. How pathetic. Gears 1 & 2 will be out before they can get this piece of t out. I dont care how pretty it looks. The single player looks frigin boring and ive already said that now remove cover from multi player wtf is the point? Ps3Fanboy777 signing off as a Ps3 fanboy. Guess I have to give props o Gears for getting the game out in a timely matter and at least adding something new for this generation. WHAT A LOAD OF GARBAGE.
is that you with a fake account
His spelling / grammar is too good to be POG... He's still f*cking DUMB though.
The piece of crap is the crapbox. Every first party game exclusive has really shined on this console and Killzone 2 won't be any different. Its light years ahead of Halo3 and that game was praised and overhyped. That game sucked, lackluster graphics and multiplayer, yet got 10's. My arse, that game blew. It was yet another soso fps. I don't want to hear your tyrade on the ps3, just because it don't have a cover system in multiplayer. Did Halo 3 have a cover system in multiplayer. Yeah, don't even try to compare gears 2 with this great game, cause their of a different breed!!!! Killzone 2 to rock the ps3 in 2009. I can't wait. Until then back off to Farcry2, So Com, and Resistance 2 shortly. What a good year this is going to be for Sony and its loyal customers.
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Your words are wasted, deemed ineffective and redundant. Looks Boring>? Hmm yea it really "looks boring" you sound like my ex- girlfriend- of course to her all video games looked boring because she was a block-head! KZ2 will be great fun for gamers. If you don't think so ---that's great, go play your Hello Kitty Island Adventure MMORPG.
They want to make the MP side of the game more fun and accessible so whats wrong with that? Look how many people bought COD4 on the strength of the MP Fanboys get a life!!!
no big deal.
PatchMe360 and PS3Fanboy777 are the same person. Way to fail at trolling, AND having multiple accounts.
Because we all know this is crap. Im sure the game will look pretty. Thats great. Maybe in 10 years when killzone 3 comes out it will acually have a functional cover system in both single AND multiplayer. This game will just be a bunch of people running around shooting each other with really pretty graphics.. lol.. This is way to funny. Sony = Failed The two biggest games LBP and Killzone both messed up... Now what? MAG has been reduced to a RTS? LOL.. Im seriously lol as i type this because its so pathetic. You just took a AAA title and gave it the old Sony ugly stick... LMAO seriously and you cant say im a 360 fanboy either go read my ridiculous posts defensding the gaystation 3000 ... Actually I like gay people so how about brokenpromisestation 3.. DIE SONY DIE YUPPY SCUM... $600 wasted. NEVER EVER AGAIN SONY NEVER!