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Anthem Doesn't Have an Excuse for Repeating the Mistakes Destiny Made Five Years Ago

Anthem isn't alone and it shouldn't be treated like it is.

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TimelessDbz2043d ago

Has more content to do compare to divison ,warframe , and destiny 1 .

On a side note for those who think the game should had been delayed. What do YOU consider a finish game as service. You have to realise investors can not wait 10+ years and miss fiscal quarters just to get good will from a gamer .

TheEnigma3132043d ago

This is the type of thinking is why these companies try to get away with this. Stop supporting this behavior.

bloop2043d ago (Edited 2043d ago )

"You have to realise investors can not wait 10+ years and miss fiscal quarters just to get good will from a gamer ."

So gamers should just buy mediocre, unfinished games out of good will then?? I had no intention of buying Anthem after suffering through the abysmal demo for a couple of hours, but you're right!! I should run straight out and get it right now, just to line the pockets of already filthy rich investors even more!! And all out of my own good will!! 🤦🏼‍♂️

jackdaddy2043d ago

This right here. Anyone who defends these practices is either paid to or a complete tool.

Sono4212042d ago

The writing was on the wall with this one, if you bought this game and are disappointed, honestly I feel no sympathy for you, I only feel bad that EA got some money off this, hopefully not too much, but I have a feeling it's Destiny 1 all over again, fooled a bunch of people and most regret it, but there will be a small hardcore fanbase that gets milked for every penny they're worth.

I got fooled with Destiny I wasn't going to be fooled again.

Paytaa2043d ago

couldn't give less of a shit what game investors want lmao

Hungryalpaca2043d ago

I expect a looter shooter to have more than 10 guns that don’t all feel and look the same. I expect armor to be dropped with stats for builds. I expect more than 3 armor pieces. I expect a variety of environments. I expect level design and combat that uses the unique movement mechanics. I expect to not have to grind for a week to get a single piece of over priced armor. I expect smart AI. I expect to play the game and not stare at loading screens.

Chaosdreams2043d ago (Edited 2043d ago )

What do WE consider a finished game that supports a live service? For starters, it being FINISHED. Games cannot release in such a pathetic state. We're going backwards. Live service <- which was always going to be a joke, has already mutated into an excuse for games being released in such a state. If Anthem wanted any shred of hope, it should've been a FTP experience considering it's structured for microtransactions and consuming the money of whales.

Screw the investors, screw the unrealistic expectations investors set for sale figures.

remixx1162043d ago (Edited 2043d ago )

Spoken like a true shill

We're gamers, why should we give a f*ck about investors. Think about getting better games, not about helping them line their pockets, especially if it's EA

TheOptimist2043d ago

I do empathise with developers and publishers. But the whole "investors can't wait" is bs.

For about 20-30 years now, we have been getting games, good quality ones. It's only the investors greed that has gotten the situation so bad.

CorndogBurglar2043d ago (Edited 2043d ago )

Uh, no. Destiny 1 had more content. It's not even a comparison.

Destiny had a "campaign" (granted it sucked, but still), it had missions, it had a raid, it had 5 or 7 strikes depending on what console you played on, then it had the weekly Nightfall strikes, plus pvp. Destiny also had WAY more armor pieces and weapons that variety that all looked, felt, and played differently. All of that when it launched.

Anthem doesn't even come close to that.

TimelessDbz2039d ago

Destiny 1 at launch didnt not have a raid and it only had 3 strikes.

Germaximus2043d ago

"Has more content to do compare to divison ,warframe , and destiny 1 ."

LOL No.

TimelessDbz2039d ago

Go ahead and tell me what was on warframe, destiny and division during its first week .

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pandehz2043d ago (Edited 2043d ago )

Gaas games may not finish but they do have a highly functional starting point. Anthem is far from the starting point standard. Destiny or Warframe didnot have this level of issues at launch.

Are you suggesting we just give our money to EA and they can give us concept art of a future game now and in bits release one model/animation at a time. And hopefully one day the game itself? Because investors can’t wait? You sound like a scammer.

Also I don’t support this live service bullshit and it seems gamers don’t want to either. If EA and Bioware can’t make the kind of games the world wants, somebody else will.

Elwenil2043d ago

Warframe was much worse than Anthem at launch. It was a horrible shell of a game with few features and just random, pointless combat. It has grown over time to be a terrific game, but at launch, it was a mess.

FPS_D3TH2043d ago

This message paid and brought to you by EA

drunkenspy0072043d ago

Does EA pay you or are just a fan of buying crap?

Artemidorus2043d ago

Gamers have had enough being ripped off or let down.

Godmars2902043d ago

Are you a gamer or a stockholder?

Would ask if both, but after that statement, there's no way you're a gamer.

Kryptix2043d ago

Poor investors.

We need to buy more loot boxes, microtransactions, $1 dots on the screen, cut content, etc so we can help pay off their sports cars and houses. Think of the children, too! /s

LOL Man, do you try to read what you post and listen to what you say? It's like you bought the game digitally and can't refund this mediocre trash game so you need to justify it.

How about they go back to when games were complete and tried something new or were less repetitive. Maybe it would score and sell better.

Anthem would of fared well if it was in the style of Borderlands & Mass Effect hybrid than try to mimic Destiny's success. I guess repetitiveness is more cost effective for those investors.

TimelessDbz2039d ago

Sorry for the late reply was playing anthem. What does microtransactions and loot boxes have to do with my comment ???

Anyways just becuae you think a game is trash does not mean its trash to everyone else.

EmperorDalek2043d ago

Actually it has less content than the original Destiny release.

TheSaint2043d ago

Easily one of the most foolish things I've ever seen written on this site.

Muzikguy2043d ago (Edited 2043d ago )

Game as a service is reason enough to not like it. I wouldn't side with investors in this industry either. Pleasing them over the consumer is why EA and other other companies are so hated. "You have to realise investors can not wait 10+ years and miss fiscal quarters just to get good will from a gamer", no. Companies should not be in business to please investors. Customers keep them in business

Also leads to much less than stellar games, MTs, games as a service, and poor games missing content to be sold later as expansions or DLC

shadowraiden2042d ago

please explain this apparent "more content" as somebody who has played it has nowhere near Destiny 1 launch game. it has 1 mission you repeat. and some open world events on 1 map. its equivalent to Destiny 1 launching with 1 world.
the loot is pathetic boring with nothing to make them standout.

ILostMyMind2042d ago

"Has more content than Warframe"... ?

WTH!!

TimelessDbz2039d ago

Warframe in its first month had barely any content .

TKCMuzzer2042d ago

What are you going on about. The game is clearly months way from being finished. This is not a free to play game, they are asking real money. Stop supporting this kind of release, you are worse than EA. Even worse you are not supporting the devs, you are supporting publishers bad practice.
The game is a buggy mess, runs like crap , spends more time loading, wants you to pay for bloody things that should be included in the original price.
You are a consumer, stop bending over, even at the basics, the game should at least run at a stable frame rate, they have been making it for years.
The game is not a service if you are paying for it from the start. You should have a finished product with more content to keep it relevant, not more patches to fix the issues, its like having to constantly take your car back to the garage even though you bought it brand new......you would not except it..

Potnoodle9992042d ago

Fuck me! What a ridiculous point of view!!!!😤 guys we need to be charitable to corporate scumbags just so they can get their humongous cut! Gtfo you shill.
Devs should bend over backwards to release a quality product END OF STORY! It is not okay to release a half finished game and for us to have to buy it on good faith that they will fix it. Paying our hard earned money with NO guarantee they won’t just drop it and move on after six months....what the hell kind of moron are you!?

DafunkyRebel2042d ago

This is what’s wrong with capitalism

CorndogBurglar2039d ago

Nope. There were 6 Strikes at launch. And yes, you are right about the Raid. It released a week after launch. But even with that, Destiny 1 still launched with way more content and meaningful loot. Hell, just the weekly Nightfall Strikes alone made the end game worlds better than the non-existent mess Anthem has.

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spwittbold2043d ago

I understand the disdain for the bujgs in the game, but the actual gameplay once you get to high level and really understand the battle system it becomes extremely fun. I think the biggest area-of-improvement would be if they added into the tutorial how combos and status effects work. I literally had no idea until I was already level 30 and doing Grand Master missions. Currently, you cannot progress as a team unless your working together to constantly combo enemies on GM2+. You won't get past the first level - I had my first experience after 80 horus of playing where I joined a team for the first Stronghold on Grand Master 2 and we we're doing everything together like a synchronized backstreet boys concert and could barely get to the boss of the frst Stronghold after 3 hours. It was insanely fun and Bloodbourne like difficulty.

maybelovehate2043d ago

Yeah, I am loving the gameplay. Especially as the Interceptor. Feels amazing to play.

DrShoe2043d ago

Are you employed by an advertisement company hired by Bioware? Because let me tell you, no gamer writes like this.

maybelovehate2043d ago

@DrShoe: So basically you have never met a gamer who likes games. Nothing I said in my comment isn't how I feel about the gameplay. It feels amazing. Especially as the Interceptor. You should should try playing it instead of fighting a fake war online.

jdaboss2042d ago

oh feck off paid shill

spwittbold2043d ago

@Dr. Shoe.
All that says about you is that you are not very smart. If I was an advertiser, I'd of spellchecked before I submitted it. There are numerous standout grammatical and spelling errors in everything I wrote. That's high school level at best, and not even remotely close to as well written as what I have seen 5th graders and middle schoolers write. Sad if that is all you need to be a pro.

Bluemaster772043d ago

Battle system isnt really all that complex (which is one of the issues with these sorts of games)

DanteVFenris6662042d ago (Edited 2042d ago )

Even though all the missions are repetitious and the same mission. That doesn’t make the game not fun for you?

You could have a trillion cool abilities, if the mission structure is ass the game is still ass

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maybelovehate2043d ago

There is no way to avoid a lack of content. It is a matter of time. But luckily GAAS games will continue to get content so it isn't a real issue for the game, just an issue for patience. Which I agree, can be frustrating, but in the end we will end up with way more content than your average 60 dollar game normally provides.

Anthem has a great foundation as far as gameplay. And they clearly know how to build interesting worlds. Can't wait to see where the game goes. Having a great time so far.

arkard2043d ago

It would be fine if they had extra content ready to go, but they don't. They need to finish the base game and shelve it until they have 6 - 12 months worth of content finished and ready to go. Then you release the base game and have additional content that releases once a month or once every 3 weeks. And since the first year is ready to go ypu can work on 2nd year content and patches for bugs and balance. Until developers are ready to invest into a game with content that sits on a shelf until there is enough of it, GaaS will be held in a negative light.

Mrmartir3052043d ago

You need to understand that more content doesn't mean gamers will play it. Look at past history. I game can give you 100+ hours of gameplay but on average most gamers will only play like 15% of it then get bored and move on. Studies show this . Most people don't have the time to be spending hundreds of hours in game.

arkard2043d ago

The biggest complaint I always hear with these games (Destiny, Division, now Anthem) is lack of content. Your statement stands true for games like Red Dead and some others, but these GaaS are made with the purpose of people playing them longer then a standard game (and thus spending more money on expansions/cosmetics, MT's) and the only way you do that is to give people a reason to keep playing.

Atanasrikard2043d ago

6-12 months worth of content? What the hell? No game in the history of video games has 6-12 months worth of content. How do you not blast every singleplayer action game that has 8-12 hours worth of gameplay? The problem with people like you and Hungryalpaca is you expect something that isn't even remotely feasible. This game has easily 8-12 hours of content and I would venture to guess quite a bit more.

@Hungryalpaca We get it, you don't like the game because "GaaS". How would you know how much content it has when you aren't playing it? Maybelovehate obviously is as he said he is having a great time so far.

maybelovehate2043d ago

The issue with that is that you lose out on all that data from players to help influence the future. I am sure they have a lot of assets ready to build off of but part of designing a game as a service is to build what the people playing your game want.

Armaggedon2043d ago

Mr Marrir has a point. I have plenty of time, and I do not grow bored easily; however, I find myself only playing enough of a game to see what it's about. After I see the general idea, I usually move to another game unless it is a game that has truly captivated me( I.e. Skyrim, dragon age, etc)

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Hungryalpaca2043d ago

People like you are why we get this garbage. The game has a foundation and THATS it. It has no content. It “coming later” is no excuse for a 7 year project to launch with less content than the original destiny which was rebooted a year before release.

maybelovehate2043d ago

Anthem has less content but much more diverse gameplay and builds than Destiny had at launch or even now. Destiny is all about the gunplay and they nailed it but Anthem is more about building unique builds. I love Destiny, so I won't put Anthem on par with it yet, but it has the framework to surpass it for sure.

Blastoise2043d ago

"but in the end we will end up with way more content than your average 60 dollar game normally provides"

Really? Has any GAAS game actually delivered and ended up as a complete product that rivals a normal game in terms of quality and quantity?

maybelovehate2043d ago

Has any GAAS game ever not? I have over 1000 hours in Diablo, Destiny, WOW each. In a typical game that isn't GAAS I usually have around 50 to 100 hours.

DanteVFenris6662042d ago

@maybelovehate

Yeah sure it has those hours. But it garbage. Would rather play unique and exciting 10 hour game. Then a 1000 hour game where I’m just repeating the same thing over and over and over just to get the next shiny so I’m strong enough to do the next thing to get the next shiny

All those game aren’t that good

Chaosdreams2043d ago

"There is no way to avoid a lack of content."

So you're an idiot. (I just can't be kind about this)

"GAAS games will continue to get content so it isn't a real issue for the game."

So you're an idiot that's cool with paying for an unfinished product, that by the time it gets all of those so called free updates and new content, is finally complete. Yeah, GAAS sure is swell, why have a finished product that's supported? When you can have an unfinished product that might, one day, find its true glory?

"We will end up with way more content than your average 60 dollar game normally provides."

I'd argue the opposite happens. You might sink in 200 hours, doing the same loot grind, but that doesn't mean there's more content. It just means you're waiting for updates over a span of time, and that span of time, doesn't mean it's offering more to the game itself.

"Anthem has a great foundation as far as gameplay."

Few will say they dislike flying around. But since when is a great foundation all one needs to sell a game for $60 USD? Anyone can make a great foundation, but clearly Bioware is incapable of making a great game.

"They clearly know how to build interesting worlds."

Once upon a time*

"Having a great time so far."

At least you're having fun. I can't discredit that. Your fun, is yours to have.

Atanasrikard2043d ago

Slinging insults at someone because they believe differently than you is a great way to get your points across. /s

Chaosdreams2043d ago

Let me just, one sec. There we go.

A golden medal for a hero.

And yes, I should've insulted the opinion itself, not the person. A "moronic statement" would've been better, but hey, mistakes happen. Like Anthem.

maybelovehate2043d ago

You are quite lovely. Congrats to your parents. But the point of GAAS games is they build largely based on the community. Only way to get a community and find the direction they want your service to go is to get it out there and see what works. So far I think the foundation is great. Gameplay is rock solid, the world they have is great. The loot system is very nicely done, there are many builds I want to pursue and ideas to try. My personal feedback to them right now is to do more or the same but also add more exploration and reasons to explore.

Chaosdreams2043d ago

Thank you. My parents did a swell job, as did yours.

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sprinterboy2043d ago

So basically just wait a year and pick it up in the bargain bin when it's actually finished then

pandehz2043d ago

By the time they make future content, better games will be out and next gen with better graphics and much better art than this samey environment crap.

Nyxus2042d ago

This is exactly the problem with GAAS.

DanteVFenris6662042d ago (Edited 2042d ago )

One of the biggest complaints about Anthem is the world isn’t interesting... yet you say that as a strength

Also it isn’t content that’s the issue. People are fine with 20-30 hour games. The issue is the content is repetitive garbage

So they’d need to scrap the entire game and start making the game more interesting with better level design, better abilities, better ai, and tons even dozens of unique mission structures.

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TheOtherMoon2043d ago

Actually, yes, Anthem does have a reason (you can call it an excuse) if they repeat the same mistakes Destiny made. Why? Bioware's Anthem is not Activision's Destiny. If we follow the authors logic, I should not have been falling down when learning how to ride a bike, my two older brothers learned to ride 3-4 years before me.

Being incapable of separating bias from review because games similar to Anthem came-out a few years prior falls on the reviewer not the game.

With that being said, Anthem's reviews are disappointing, and as a fan of the Bioware (Especially the ME Trilogy) it hurts to see EA/Bioware blow another big opportunity at launch. My hope is that content and story are fleshed out as the game continues it's course.

Prince-Ali2043d ago

that's genuinely SUCH a stupid comment and logic to have.. And the fact you're not trolling just makes me all the more embarrassed for you.. *sigh*

EmperorDalek2043d ago

If you see someone fall over a rock, landing face first in mud, you should take that as a lesson to not fall over that rock.

TheOtherMoon2042d ago

@emperordalek

So, you are saying Destiny and the Division were mistakes from step one.

EmperorDalek2042d ago

I'm saying that Bioware have been making this, a very similar game for more than four years after Destiny came out. Yet here we are, and it seems like they completely ignored the issues with both Destiny and The Division.

Destiny got away with it because there was nothing like it on the market, and still had a decent amount of content. The Division didn't get away with it because it released after Destiny (and maybe because it was mediocre.)

People are now tired of these sorts of launches, and Anthem had the chance to learn from these other games. Because of the reviews, it now may not sell enough to allow them to make amends, especially since they said all DLC will be free.

XabiDaChosenOne2042d ago

You do understand that making a game does not require muscle memory right?

TheOtherMoon2041d ago (Edited 2041d ago )

Ah...I see your challenge, you see metaphors as black'n'white. That's OK though; Idioms, puns, metaphors/similes are not for everyone -- a speech-path can help you with that though.

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Destiny Mobile spin-off will reportedly be revealed very soon

The long-rumoured Destiny Mobile game from NetEase may finally be ready for reveal according to multiple leakers.

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Xbox Passed On Destiny & Guitar Hero According To Phil Spencer

Phil Spencer talks candidly about missing out on both Destiny and Guitar Hero

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He paid billions for Starfield. This should be the real story.

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Sciurus_vulgaris24d ago

Microsoft bought all of Zenimax Media for 7 billion, while Sony paid 4 billion for Bungie. I think Microsoft got the better deal due to acquiring Fallout, ElderScrolls and Doom.

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anast24d ago

This can't be true. They only bought Starfield...

InUrFoxHole24d ago

@anast
Should've thought that one out buddy, lol.

anast24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Yeah, I thought it out. I'm not sure you did. But since we are buddy's now, you're welcome.

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anast23d ago

"Clearly your parents didn't teach you"

You know you lost, when you have to resort to this tactic.

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Profchaos24d ago

So you're saying that Microsoft has missed out on so many huge gaming franchise in the last 25 years from GTA exclusivity to guitar hero and destiny it's just laughable they had so many misses

Reaper22_24d ago

Yea, but they're still 100 times more wealthy than Sony. I would say it worked out well.

Gamingsince198124d ago

Xbox is dead all that money doesn't help.

Hypertension14024d ago

What has work out well? It sure as hell had nothing to do with Xbox.

andy8524d ago

That isn't because of Xbox though. This is a gaming page, not an I get supplemented by father Windows page

Bathyj24d ago

Microsoft's money has nothing to do with Xbox.
Xbox is a money pit to them they would love to ditch but are after some ROI first.

Let's face it, Xbox is like a red headed stepchild that steals from you to buy drugs.

Hofstaderman24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

MIicrosoft is NOT XBOX. The current situation illustrates this. And Microsoft wants its ROI.

@Bathyj and daddy Satya has just force admitted Phil to rehab.

gold_drake24d ago

you know why MS has so much money, and it aint cause of the gaming xbox branch.

so lets not kid ourselves.

PhillyDonJawn24d ago

Xbox was shown to be more profitable than ps

jznrpg24d ago

@PhillyDownJawn not more profitable. More revenue with ABK acquisition but them going multiplat shows they are not making much profit

ocelot0723d ago

That's great for Xbox gamers ain't it that Microsoft are more wealthy than Sony. Is that really a argument use are using now lol?

Imagine me in my job. Arguing with a fellow security guard at another company. Hahah well the company I work for is worth £800m the one you work for is only work £600m!

ZoboomafooFan23d ago

Microsoft has succeeded in spite of the Xbox brand, not because of it

Knightofelemia23d ago

Microsoft may have more money but Sony has the talented studios and the games to back up those studios.

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Chevalier23d ago

Plus turning down Marvel too. Spiderman is only exclusive to Playstation because of that

Hedstrom24d ago

Best deal deal in gaming must be when Sony bought Insomniac for 229 million dollars. They made over 800 millions on Spiderman for the ps4 alone. Thats just crazy!

XBManiac23d ago

More in the 1.000 million now.

gold_drake24d ago

another Interview?

how is he the only one who loves the spotlight as much as he does lol

Futureshark23d ago

Let's not forget he also famously passed on Spider-man, Genshin Impact and GTA3.

However it's almost kind of cute how he can keep that sh1t-eating grin and say he's a 'no regrets' kind of guy, especially when you think how much just these 5 titles could have swung the world in Xbox's favour instead of Sonys.

How he's kept his job I don't know, he must sure be keeping Papa Nadella's shaft warm somehow.

"But, but Gamepass, he introduced that!!!"

Yes he did, and now look at Xbox, all it's exclusives are coming to Playstation now rendering the platform obsolete.

DarXyde23d ago

Honestly, with that kind of track record, you can't convince me Spencer hasn't eaten it from the back in the name of self preservation. Probably unwashed...and at least twice.

That aside, my interpretation of everything here is Xbox has been mismanaged a bit too much and Nadella came down from his throne. The way it is now, I don't believe for a minute the multiplatform move was Spencer's idea. I don't even think the acquisitions was Spencer's work. At this point, I reckon he's got as much power in his role as Hunter Biden at a Ukrainian energy company.

DivineHand12523d ago

You can never tell how things will turn out if he had said yes to those games. Xbox already has access to some great IPs, however, they hardly do anything with them or fail to deliver. It's also possible their presentation wasn't good at the time, and they made sure the next presentation was better.

I believe that part of being successful is releasing things in the right place at the right time.

Many major corporations have a story similar to passing on successful business ideas. Let us look at Sony Pictures for example. Back when Marvel went bankrupt, they had the opportunity to buy the entire Marvel for only $25 Million but turned them down. An unnamed big shot at Sony reportedly claimed that “nobody gives a shit about any of the other Marvel characters,”. They ended up taking Spiderman for $10 Million instead.

https://www.avclub.com/sony...

Fast forward to today, we can see what the Marvel brand has done for Disney. Is it possible the same success would have been possible had Sony acquired those IPs. We can't say that for sure and it is possible most of those IPs that are successful today may not have been used.

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Ex Destiny and Halo Producer Says Live Service Is 'Better for Developers and Players'

A former Halo and Destiny executive producer has said the live service model is "so much better for developers and players" than the one-off $60 purchase model.

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Typically the best games of each year say otherwise.

Christopher92d ago

Alan Wake 2, BG3, Tears of the Kingdom, Elden Ring, GoW Ragnarok, Hades, Returnal, Fallout 4, Dishonored, It Takes Two, Untitled Goose Game, Breath of the Wild, both of The Last of Us, Ghost of Tsushima, Sekiro, Psychonauts 2, Control, Celeste, Super Mario Odyssey, Bloodborne, The Outer Wilds, The Witcher 3, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Cocoon, The Dredge, and more and more and more.

Up against Overwatch and Destiny as far as critical acclaim and recognition as 'better' for players.

And, let me be honest, even 'for developers' is a lie. Want to know why? Because it's only good for people who can pump out graphics constantly and not overall quest designers, coders, engine devs, etc.

What this guy means is "we can give a lot of cosmetic content to players, who we think players like more because people spend money on it, and it's best for us because we don't have to pay for a full team to create a new game and just the people to pump out new graphics from one season to another." In no way is his comment a true reflection of what is 'better for players' let alone 'better for the industry stability over longer periods of time.'

This is more investor mindset focusing on maximizing profits by getting consumers to buy less for more while they spend less making it. That's it.

You know what's best for players? Newer, better, and more content that is good and not just cosmetic. Live service isn't that unless you pay $60 a year to them to add more for it (like Destiny and CoD do). Then you might get some improvements and new content. Even then? Not usually.

just_looken92d ago

In terms of player feedback/awards yes but the list you made are all nothing in terms of profit.

Call of duty mobile alone laughs at that list that game is a billion dollar money making machine.

Toss in your apex/mmo/rivals/fortnight/robl ox/minecraft monoploy go or back to console with elder scrolls fallout 76.

Basically there is alot more live service style games that hit or go above the billion dollar mark than your list and that is what the people at top want cold hard cash. Heck alot fo them make a billion + a year

Gta 5 single player profit vs gtao profit as a example now that ps5/series has gtao as a free standalone with gta + there printing cash like its going out of style over there.

Christopher91d ago (Edited 91d ago )

Being more profitable isn't better for the consumer or developers. That's better for executives in suits.

just_looken91d ago

@Christopher

Umm exactly who do you think pay's the bill's and hands out the games budgets?

They have 0 care about a games award's/feedback its all profit driven some use to care like sony back in the day now its profit first.

0 likes shows how many are still on copium thinking the big publishers care about them

aaronaton92d ago (Edited 92d ago )

Well the Poll on the website is suggesting he is massively wrong and out of touch.
A big majority of the vote going to "I prefer one off purchases with paid expansions"

Couldn't agree more.

Inverno92d ago

I'll always think the concept is awesome. Back during the PS3 era I pictured a Spider-Man game that would be the traditional open world swinging playground that they typically are but every comic issue would be turned into dlc. It'd be the entirety of the Amazing line, 2 to 3 issues at a time, turnt to dlc until the entire Amazing line is told in form of a game. That concept eventually made it to the industry and they have consistently fk'd it up with every game that has been made as a "service".

jznrpg92d ago

There is nothing like sitting down , popping in a great single player game and blocking out the world.

OtterX92d ago

Sometimes I like to log into Fortnite and Call of Duty and just sit and listen to 12 years call me a n*****, f**, m***** f***** just so I can remember why I like to play single player games.

GhostScholar92d ago

Not for players over the age of 12

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