Obsidian Isn't Happy With Fans Bashing Bethesda And Fallout 76

The Outer Worlds' co-director and Obsidian's CEO talk about Fallout: New Vegas and the timing of their game's reveal.

[Jin_Sakai]

“Obsidian Isn't Happy With Fans Bashing Bethesda And Fallout 76“

Then don’t make a trash game! Simple as that.

[_SilverHawk_]

I guess fans should be happy with whatever rubbish these people make. The truth is their games have always been buggy and have all sorts of issues but they normally have an ok to good storyline that people will over look all faults but this game is lacking that.

[INMATEofARKHAM]

It's not so much the storyline but the world you can experience. Also, on PC they've always gotten away with bugs and crap because the community will patch ut for them... but that's not something one can really do on a Game as a Service model.

[Mirdus]

They tend to forget that gamers are consumers, and consumers have the right to trash the product as much as they want, thats basically their second job. If companies do not want consumers bashing their product..MAKE BETTER PRODUCTS. Games are as much of a product as, say televisions, food, cars etc, they are not exempt from consumer rage.

[artistadam]

this game actually has a really good story, but people can't deal with it being told thru holotapes and terminals... i didn't mind it at all... it all made sense, the world of 76, the more you listened...

[Baza]

Obsidian should mind there own business. Putting yourself out there to stick up for the broken garbage Bethesda released? What a joke. These guys are an exclusive studio to MS now.. explains a lot.

[-Foxtrot]

They made a shit game man what do you expect, most of the loyal fanbase for years said DON'T make an online game regardless of what it is because you guys simply can't do it, stick to single player and yet despite this they did it anyway with horrible results.

They f***** you guys over so much Obsidian, you made a fantastic Fallout game with New Vegas despite the hard working conditions and limited development time yet you overcame the odds and did it only for Bethesda to kick you to the curb over one metacritic point. Imagine if you guys had more time and they wern't arseholes to you guys.

"Bethesda is looking to take the Fallout brand in a different direction. There's nothing right or wrong about that"

Urm...yes there is if that direction is shit and something only a small minority of so called "Fallout" players want.

[Fluttershy77]

What are you talking about? Of course they CAN do it! The fact that they did a horrible game doesn't prove a thing, they are Bethesda, one of the most incredible developers of all time... They should try new things, they should go out of their comfort zone; they shouldn't just stick with what they already know, what's proven to be successful, what "the fans want" (the fans know sht!)
Stick to single player!! pff!

[sprinterboy]

"one of the most incredible developers of all time"?
I wouldn't go that far

[remixx116]

Bethesda has been making bug games forever now, last gen we gave them a pass but this gen we need to hold them accountable now and forever.

Fallout 4 was heavily dumbed down casual and buggy and 76 was a whole nother level of complete bull.

Skyrim and fo3 were great but let's level here and be honest, Bethesda are not who they once were

[fiveby9]

I agree Bethesda has made some great games. I also agree it is good to experiment and move outside of your comfort zone. However, it seems Bethesda did a poor job with FO76 so far. Could it be improved? Possibly. But the game has many issues both design and bugs which severely hamper the game. For example, No NPCs in the game sure feels like a design flaw. And the amount and frequency of bugs are not befitting of a AAA studio. They should have baked the game longer and focus group tested longer. But they were in a rush to release for the holiday season to get those sales. But now they have really damaged their reputation. When you compare the quality of this title to other recent releases, you have to admit it pales in comparison. I expect better from BGS. I won't give up on them but I sure am disappointed and apprehensive about purchasing their next game.

[Forn]

Look at Guerrilla Games. They went out of their comfort zone and made an incredible game. They are better than Bethesda.

[Markusb33]

Maybe you have been limited to your games exposure.Bethesda are world renowned for buggy games on a tired engine. A game looking like a ps3 game today is not incredible especially when it's still buggy. We don't owe any dev anything. Fans can like or dislike any game or direction they take its called free will.
Quality is usually rewarded with support and praise, not a cash grab

[Rachel_Alucard]

Bethesda Austin who used to be known as Battlecry Studios had their name changed in March of 2018. The Bethesda who everyone knows is in Maryland and the only thing they had to do with 76 was putting a new rendering engine in and lighting. Everything else is Austin who has yet to release a single game since they were founded back in 2012, the one game they named themselves after they were releasing got canned and nobody even cared. These are 2 different studios entirely and I hate that both of them get lumped in the same pool together just because Zenimax was foolish to name them the same.

[UltraNova]

"They should try new things, they should go out of their comfort zone; they shouldn't just stick with what they already know, what's proven to be successful, what "the fans want"

Yes they should try a new frickin engine for Fallout and ES games. They should go out of their comfort zone and do proper/complete QA before they release their God damn games (key word: before). They shouldn't just stick to what they already know, their ancient engine and ridiculous QA process, both acts proven to get a pass from the press and fans alike (until recently), actually listen to what their fans want, for once!! (The fans know Fallout and ES games, have paid for them through decades, spend hundreds if not thousands of hrs in them. That, makes them inherently entitled to their opinion on them).
Get a proper engine, do proper QA and then stick to what ever the hell works.

[opc]

@Forn

Did guerilla games go outside of their comfort zone or were they finally allowed to go into their comfort zone and move away from trying to compete with CoD, Halo, and BF?

[shinoff2183]

The fans dont know anything? I guess the true fans spoke with their wallet. Online wasnt even wanted by fans and the sales show it. I had it pre ordered and skipped it I put my 10 bucks onto a different game. I decided I wasnt as interested in this and wouldnt support this. Turns out ill be on the right side of history concerning this game.

[Teflon02]

Maybe fun open world games overall. But nothing incredible in the glitch fests that the games they make are

[Hungryalpaca]

There’s a big difference between trying something new andmaking a product that doesn’t work and selling it anyway.

People like you are why we get garbage.

[TheOpenWorlder]

So many people here failed to understand Fluttershy's sarcasm....lol. Amazing!

[porkChop]

"most of the loyal fanbase for years said DON'T make an online game regardless of what it is because you guys simply can't do it"

That's not true. People on social media were constantly asking for coop and online in Fallout and Elder Scrolls. Obviously Fallout 76 wasn't what people wanted, but they *did* want some kind of online.

[Cueil]

Everyone wanted co-op not this garbage

[porkChop]

@Cueil

I agree. Coop could have been great. A full online game could have worked too, but not like this. They botched it way more than I thought they would.

[-Foxtrot]

They wouldn’t be able to do co op

It takes too much time and resources which they should spend on bugs or better single player content

It’s not flipping a co op switch it takes months

People need to drop the co op idea for these games

[C4rnos]

@-Foxtrot

Ironically modders have created Skyrim together (with a lot of hard work granted) but if you're a professional at the level Bethesda would expect from you- co-op is a feature once added could quite handily make up for a lot of bugs alone; some people are somehow happy with 76 just because you can play with friends, and it's narratively the worst game Bethesda have made.

[shinoff2183]

Just a heads up but social media isnt all their fans. Plus their were just as many people not wanting online. The sales prove this. Fallout fans know were in for some buggy mess with any falllout game so this games poor sales cannot be attributed to bugs alone. Its the fact we didnt want this and showed it with are wallets

[shinoff2183]

Completely agree

[NeoGamer232]

Bethseda owns the IP not gamers.

They can do whatever they want to move the IP forward.

That does not mean gamers will buy into the new direction and buy the game. Bethesda has to then decide if they are willing to continue down the path or go back to the roots. That is usually a discussion about how much money they make either way.

[shammgod]

Ha! It took them this long to respond about something that happened over a month ago.

[Eonjay]

Well technically they are Microsoft now and we already know Spencer and Howard are lovers.

[beulahland]

@shammgod Ha! I didn't what the video.

[beulahland]

@Eonjay your jokes must be so much appreciated at parties.

[AK91]

If you make a horrible product then be prepared for the backlash.

[DonkeyWalrus]

Todd Howard knew this would happen. He could not convince Pete Hines to allow Bethesda to build a modern gaming engine. So Todd sabotaged his own game to prove a point that the current engine is not capable of producing games of the quality they would like. The backlash will cause Pete Hines to enter into a state of fear and uncertainty. In order to prevent another disaster like this, Pete will give Todd the all clear to build that sweet new engine we've all been waiting for. Just in time for Elder Scrolls VI and maybe even Starfield.

[Benoski]

It's realy simple: Fallout 76 is an abomination that should've never happened.

[sprinterboy]

I'm not into fallout but I have a lot of friends who are massive fallout fans and not one of them have bought 76

[Atom666]

I have several who did buy it and are upset that they did. Sounds like you have smarter friends than me.

[badz149]

they dodged a cannonball there. (FO76 is too big of a turd to be just a bullet!)

[ziggurcat]

If the game wasn’t terrible to begin with, there’d be no reason to trash talk.

[The7Reaper]

Aw, they're not happy? Too bad, Bethesda shipped a crappy broken mess and they deserve all the backlash they've gotten and continue to receive.

[Gwiz]

Obsidian,i'm telling you right now,don't you dare to go down the same path.

[jznrpg]

MS will make them I bet

[DillyDilly]

Obsidian I'd like to think other Developers would use Fallout 76 as to what not to do. Because the second you people fuck up were coming for you

[syphon32]

Don't do it obsidian, you need these gamers to buy your shit, the gaming community isn't going for the bullshit anymore...

[Shikoku]

😂😂😂

[Femto]

Being a huge fan of Bethesda game studios' games, Fallout 76's failure is amazing new to me. Its catastrophic failure ensures that they won't try this online bullshit ever again, sometimes you just gotta learn the hard way. Looking forward to future fallout/es games as well as starfield and their other single player projects.

[Xaevi]

But didn't they subtlety bash on Bethesda and 76 with the reveal trailer? The whole "from the creators of Fallout and New Vegas" kinda pointing out that they made the best games

[Donnie81]

I wonder how many people trashing fallout 76 have even played it? It’s not a goty by any means but there are plenty worse games out there.

[Atom666]

Well, fans aren't happy with Bethesda and F76, so what can you do?

[william_cade]

No one is happy. Bethesda purposely made a shit game to cash in in fan loyalty. Why would anyone be happy about that?

[Critic4l_Strik3]

"Fans aren't happy because of Bethesda and Fallout 76" - Fixed

[TheVigilanteCode]

Seems like they don't want The Outer Worlds to be compared with FO76, fearing any amount of negative PR lol

[Smokehouse]

I agree. 76 was the first fallout I skipped since 3 but I’m not trashing Bethesda. I knew it was trash so I never bought it. If you bought that turd it’s your own fault. They were obviously out of their element with that one. People take shit so personal these days and a lot of the hatred is uncalled for. They made a flopper, get over it.

[r3f1cul]

beyond threatening physical harm to a dev, 76 deserves every single piece of criticism its received and honestly more ... the single most broken and embarrassing games in modern gaming history

[chris235]

obsidian throwing tantrums now? how pathetic is that?

[Exvalos]

Good games are praised trash is taken to the curb it's as simple as that.

[Uglyday]

I’d still rather play F76 than support gameinformer or GameStop.

[Dragonscale]

Yeah well thats just tough. Game is garbage fgs lol.

[Markusb33]

Criticism where criticism is due, don't be a greedy lazy dev with an outdated engine and people won't complain. There is a good reason people don't like the latest fallout.
Same for EA and activivision these devs are not owed anything from us. Quality products get supported

[THC CELL]

Says a company that run to ms money

[Cmoney007]

LOL Awwwww

[jaycptza]

I'm shocked they didnt blame SONY for lack of crossplay /s

[pyroxxx]

Bethesda has some great artists, level designers, storytellers (Obsidian guys are actually way better on that part),.. but the engine is a mess,.. and they keep building on top of that messy structure and with each iteration there are more problems, while it looks really outdated. It is actually funny that they messed up Fallout 76,.. because the engine was actually conceived for MMORPGs... Well on the bright side they are publishing games from Id.Machinegames,Arkane,.. so they have some really great studios,.. but inhouse ,..they are really a midrange developer.

[Psychotica]

Yeah freedom of speech is a real bitch isn't it..lol

[InTheZoneAC]

Make a game based on microtransactions with minimal effort put in and charge $60? Please disappear.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Maybe don't make a blatant cash grab and give fallout fans the middle finger? How can they defend 76, it's a greedy, gross product from a shit company.

[2pacalypsenow]

Well Gamers aren’t happy with how bad Fallout 76 is.

“Oh man, just slamming it home to Bethesda!' because we said the original creators of Fallout and makers of Fallout: New Vegas”

Also did I read that wrong, but Obdisian aren’t the original makers of fallout.

[neomahi]

Already creating enemies and getting political before Microsoft even acquires you? Eghn, not smart.

[CanadianTurtle]

Don't put blame on the consumer. We're the ones that paid for the game, we have every right to bash it. Don't tarnish your own company name by defending a crap product by your fellow developer.

[Thundercat77]

"Obsidian Isn't Happy With Fans Bashing Bethesda And Fallout 76"

Reality title:
Fans aren't happy with Bethesda making garbage games like Fallout 76.

What is it that Obsidian wants? That fans swallow that garbage and stay silent? Wow.

[nibblo]

People here acting like it's ok to be an asshat lol. It's ok to say what you don't like and what you want changed in a civil manner but jumping on the hate train and being a twat is more about you than Bethesda.

[Tross]

Well, fans aren’t happy with Fallout 76. If you want a fan reception you’re happy with, how about making a game they’re happy with? Just a suggestion.

[Orionsangel]

Make good games and you won't get bashed. Now GTFO!

[SlagWolf]

We aren’t happy getting a broke ass game that was packed with lies.