Microsoft wants to bring Xbox Live cross-platform gaming to Android, iOS, Nintendo Switch, and more

Microsoft has made no secrets about its cross-platform ambitions, and it's about to turn up the heat.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

So Xbox live is coming to all platforms like a service or is it something different?

[lelo2play]

Microsoft wants to be the Netflix of gaming...

[Eonjay]

The whole point of cross play is that you dont have to buy into one ecosystem. What us the point of forcing people to use your ecosystem when they never had to in the past. The get people to pay for live for f2p games so I'm sure the will let Microsoft change people to play Minecraft on mobile devices as well.

[Kribwalker]

@Eonjay

it’s already used for cross platform minecraft play, and people don’t have to pay to use it

[S2Killinit]

MS cant even be the kmart of gaming. Not when everyone else is doing better than them in every area. PSNow has the same streaming service with a much larger library of games.

[rainslacker]

@Eon

That may be the point of cross play, but MS is most certainly all about getting people to buy into one ecosystem. It has been since the introduction of Live services on Windows. Which is why all their products, even enterprise solutions, center around Live in some way.

Cross play gives MS visibility, and keeps them relevant even if people aren't using their ecosystem. It also bolsters those who are using their ecosystem, by expanding the relevance to those who are currently using it.

[RosweeSon]

Never they don’t have the games for it.

[Zeref]

@Eonjay

I think you need to look up the definition of "forcing".... I don't think it means what you think it means.

[beulahland]

@Zeref this @Eonjay guy needs to look up the definition of cross play and cross platform, since he is absolutely mixing everything. Logic would help too.

[Omegasyde]

No Microsoft wants to be the “Windows OS” of gaming ie become the standard.

I actually think this would be bad, as it will mean if you want to play a specific game you will have to exclusively subscribe to thier service and play by their rules. Pretty much rules out used game market.

I don’t think Nintendo would submit to this but Sony could have some future ass clown of a CEO who might think this will be a great idea 5-10 years from now (investors first...).

Now for those loving/praising all digital future, imagine having to pay 99$ a month just on a game pass, and X ammount still to play online or piece meal some other BS service. If they are only game in town, they control the pricing.

[bouzebbal]

I always said they will be a multi platform service, and always get down voted.. Here you go, looks like it's going that way.. Which is a good thing tbh...

[KeeseToast]

What that means is that developers can implement Xbox Live features into games across plattforms. I assume its kinda like when you have the option to log into Uplay, Origin in EA/Ubisoft games.

[battlegrog]

The thing is the ps now service can not compete , It does not work well.Its old tech on a very very small scale.All it is is a small company sony bought and they are not heavily investing in the tech and are just renting servers. Companies like MS have more top quality self owned servers around the world than almost anyone and they have a big dedicated team developing its own version of the software. Right now it does not matter at all but in the long run this format is what everyone will want just like any other streaming service. So you better have the structure for it. Sony is kinda fucked in this aspect but not because they pretty much can just sue some big companies service and pay them. Its just not a first party product so it will be tricky .

I hope they figure out a solid solution. I would love to play ps exclusive games that can properly run well at native res and can handle multiplayer. Time will tell !!

[S2Killinit]

MS is adament about destroying consoles.

[Unspoken]

Microsoft has experience with Azure and can see the direction compute is going. Of course as usual they are well before their time and unfortunately have to cater to those who only can digest incremental changes.

[battlegrog]

They are refering to when they launch its cloud service that will run the entire xbox platform. So why would they not try to put it on the switch if they want it on every phone,tablet and tv computer

[sprinterboy]

So all I need then is a ps5 and a switch and use switch for exclusives like Mario etc and xbox live for MS exclusives and use my ps5 for exclusives and all my 3rd party games.
That won't turn out well for MS

[mcstorm]

@sprinterboy why not Sony and Microsoft don't make alot off console sales anyway they make it from software and services so Microsoft putting there's on all devices, mobile other consoles pcs even smart tvs opens them up to more than both Sony and Nintendo have together.

[Edito]

@mcstorm

Sorry but are you OK or are you sick? Every single company in the world that sells hardware has more profit with accessories, services and etc... HP with printers, cars with accessories and etc, tvs and smartphones are different because they release new models all the time but u get me why would anyone buy 10 ps4s or xboxes?

Plz...

[gangsta_red]

No, as the article states...

"Microsoft already has a few games with Xbox Live support across mobile devices, most notably via Minecraft, which requires an Xbox Live login on Android, iOS, and Nintendo Switch. Until now, Microsoft reserved Xbox Live support on those platforms for its own games, but now now, Microsoft is aiming to bring Xbox Live cross-platform play to even more titles. Developers will be able to bake cross-platform Xbox Live achievements, social systems, and multiplayer, into games built for mobile devices and Nintendo Switch, as part of its division-wide effort to grow Xbox Live's userbase."

Developers have the option of implementing Xbox Live features to their crossplay titles.

[Kosic]

I think it's a community link between platforms. Like the Nintendo online mobile app, but cross platform with achievements, friend list and other bits.

If it ends up being that game pass on other platforms. That would be insane.

[Zeref]

Gamepass is coming to iOS/Android/PC and strong rumors for Switch as well.

[Kosic]

@Zeref a lot of those games on gamepads aren't supported on the switch. So I got this feeling it won't get it. Unless Nintendo do their own version?

[Muzikguy]

sounds like another step in not needing another Xbox

[Kavorklestein]

Let's pretend you are correct for a second. Imagine if Microsoft gets paid by 500 million users?
At that point, selling 20 million consoles a year is going to be less important for them, and being an Xbox gamer becomes much cheaper for all of us.

Since you're not correct, there is money to be made and games to be played in all spectrums of the gaming rainbow.

[Jin_Sakai]

“Microsoft wants to bring Xbox Live cross-platform gaming to Android, iOS, Nintendo Switch, and more“

Nintendo should’ve never let them put Minecraft on Switch. Microsoft wants to use other devices to promote their own service. So glad Sony stood strong and didn’t allow Xbox Live sign in on PS4.

Xbox isn’t selling well so the want to become a service. They know they’re lagging behind PSN’s massive 90+ million active users. Xbox Live only has 64 million. They want to slap Xbox Live on every device they can to get that number up.

[AngainorG7X]

You seem upset

[Vasto]

Xbox Live is still the best.

https://www.polygon.com/201...

[Jin_Sakai]

“You seem upset”

Just stating facts. Microsoft are using its competitors such as Nintendo Switch to grow their on service. They also tried to do the same with Sony but they didn’t allow it.

[badz149]

@Vastro

based on an article from 2016? LOL it's already 2019 dude

where is MS when Sony just announced PSN alone is making more money than its whole gaming division, though?

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Xbox live is no better and PSN has far better games, so no.

[SierraGuy]

Xbox the new Sega.

[letsa_go]

Xbox Live is still the best, it only went down twice this past week!

[S2Killinit]

PSN is better than xbox Live. Hands down. Plus, everybody and their uncle is on PSN.

[bluefox755]

I didn't get that impression. Seems like he simply disagrees with MS's approach. Many of us do.

[OffRoadKing]

Stating facts is being upset now? lol, only on n4g

[zackeroniii]

Your thoughless comment is enough to show you have nothing to argue for because you have nothing to show for your sorry pathetic ass xbox...and nope i'm not upset, i'm amused by you brainless xbots hahaha

[AngainorG7X]

@zackeroniii

You seem happy

[Dragonscale]

@xexai, and since when have Samsung tv's been a direct competitor to Sony's Playstation.

[KeeseToast]

What exactly are you losing if Microsoft is successful in expanding their service? Do you have Sony stocks or something? Also Uplay and Origin log-ins have been allowed for a long time on PlayStation. Whats the difference?

[DuckOnQuack35]

Seriously why do so many people give a shit how much any of these companies make? Awww they think they actually care about them LMFAO

[RauLeCreuset]

You don't have to have Sony stock to be invested in their product, which a PS owner is the moment they buy the console. That's just how console ecosystems work. I'd rather money spent by PS customers go to PS, rather than have MS use Live to infiltrate and siphon money away to MS. I have a lot more faith in PS to reinvest the money in a way that will satisfy me as a PS gamer. That's why I bought the PS and not Xbox. Same goes for Switch, but their lackluster online offerings make them particularly vulnerable to MS' ambitions.

[Livingthedream]

It's just fanboyism, it's almost like the playstation selling more is more important than the gaming experience. If MS ever destroys playstation in sales, don't worry it will still be a playstation with it's own experiences, ps doesnt need to outsell everyone to outsell everyone.

[Mr_Writer85]

@vasto

2016? 3 years ago mate

Where as here in 2019......

https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

[Vasto]

LMAO, I guess you dont know how to read. The article is talking about which network is best. PSN and Live always go down from time to time and they will continue to do so. PSN goes down more than Live does. Thats just the nature of online networks. Have you been living under a rock?

https://venturebeat.com/201...
https://www.newsweek.com/ps...

That has nothing to do with which Network is the best which is what the article is talking about. Xbox Live is the better than PSN. It has been tested many times and Xbox Live always beats PSN.
http://compass.xbox.com/ass...
Nice try though!

[letsa_go]

Xbox live was down twice this past week though!

[S2Killinit]

@Vasto
Lets be honest here, most people game on PSN these days whether you like it or not. As far as stability, Ive never had a problem with PSN that was combersome, but when my xbox 360 was breaking down every 6 months, it didnt matter if Live was on or off. As to this generation i wouldnt know because its hard to find a game worth playing on the cbox one in the first place.

[Kribwalker]

@S2
“As to this generation i wouldnt know because its hard to find a game worth playing on the cbox one in the first place.”

that’s funny, i have 480 games right now on my xbox one. It’s pretty easy to find good games worth playing

[343_Guilty_Spark]

@S2Killinit

Well considering the definitive version of 3rd party games are on the X, and they sell the most, I’d say there are plenty of good reasons to game on Xbox. RE2 looks fantastic on the X.

[The Wood]

'343_Guilty_Spark'

Why lie. . Since when were multiplats selling more on the Xbox for you to make such a blanket statement. . Some of you guys are becoming more desperate as the gen goes on.

[Mr_Writer85]

@vasto

I can read, I stopped reading at 2016 if I'm honest.

I've been a PSN user since 2007 on PS3, I was a Live user on and off at the same time.

And there was a clear difference between the two.

I've been a PS4 user since day one, and other than the Christmas outage a few years back, I've not had any issues.

I've only been an X1 user since Christmas, and other than the outage I linked to I've had no issue either.

I like and use both services and I can't tell the difference tbh, and no polygon article from 2016 will change my mind.

So TTFN bud

,

[S2Killinit]

All i know is that my friends are on PSN, and it works perfectly. We play both regular and VR titles and its a blast. I highly doubt i would have been happy if i only had an xbox this generation. Or the previous for that matter as there is just too many games to miss out on Playstation. Its a no brainer to me. Xbox will be a second or third choice when it comes to gaming for me. PSN is larger and works just as well as Live if not better, and like i said all my friends are on it.

@krib
Everything is relative. I figured that was implied. Apparently i have to expressly say it, Im comparing.
@343
So then according to you whoever comes out with a console later and has extra pixels, is the version to own. To me the extra pixels arent worth missing out on games and VR. It really isnt.

[Vasto]

You mind does not have to be changed. What you think does not matter.

Xbox Live is faster, stable and more reliable than PSN.

You can keep sticking your head in the sand or you can actually read the IHS Markit report that has nothing to do with Polygon. They are just reporting the news.

http://compass.xbox.com/ass...

PSN cant compare to Microsoft's world class Azure network. Its common sense.

[Mr_Writer85]

@vasto

You keep banging that drum mate, I'll enjoy playing on PSN and Live.

Enjoying Games >>>>>>>&a mp;g t;> caring about who's network is best.

"What you think does not matter."
It does to me, and that's all that matters to me, like I said I use both, have no issues with either, so why would it bother me that one is deemed better than the other?

What possible affect can that have on me?

[343_Guilty_Spark]

I didn’t say they were selling more on Xbox I said 3rd parties sell more in general

[P_Bomb]

@someone72
Pure raping people eh? Wow. Yeah I don’t think MS will be quoting you on that any time soon. Not helping.

[Mr_Writer85]

"pure raping of people on service features like psnow"

And?..... Go on what other services that are voluntary and are not forced on you in anyway are they "pure raping" us on?

You do know that rape is a horrible act, that is when someone is forced into sex against their will?

To compare anything that you can choose to pay for or not is a very ignorant and pretty pathetic.

[gamer7804]

okay so you are basically anti-consumer and anti-microsoft, got it!

[letsa_go]

lol!!!

[gamer7804]

"just stating facts". No you are editorializing and injecting your opinion, "Nintendo should've never let them put Minecraft on Switch". "So glad Sony stood strong and didn't allow xbox live sign in on PS4".

[sprinterboy]

"So glad Sony stood strong and didn’t allow Xbox Live sign in on PS4"

WTF are just sprouting on about.
Edit: btw I'm playstation.

[King_Noctis]

What’s wrong with MS wanting more subscribers? What’s wrong with them trying to get more profit?

And on that note, what’s wrong with login into Xbox live for Minecraft? You have no problem logging into other accounts like Blizzard account for games like Hearthstone or Overwatch, yet it is a problem with you login into Xbox live account to play a game that MS owns? Well....

[Razzer]

"yet it is a problem with you login into Xbox live account to play a game that MS owns?"

This is an SDK. It is not for games that MS owns. It is for other third party devs to implement in their own games.

[badz149]

@King_Noctis

"What’s wrong with MS wanting more subscribers? What’s wrong with them trying to get more profit?"

So...when Sony decided to not allow cross-play so they can keep all their fanbase for themselves to make more money, it's suddenly wrong?

[Kribwalker]

@Razzer

but the OP is expressing his concerns on a specific MS owned game,which is what King is referring to
“Nintendo should’ve never let them put Minecraft on Switch. Microsoft wants to use other devices to promote their own service. So glad Sony stood strong and didn’t allow Xbox Live sign in on PS4.“

[Razzer]

@Krib

I'm not sure anyone here is really looking at what this really is, but yes you are right. That post is off-base as well. This has nothing to do with Minecraft on Switch. Bottom line is that if a game dev has created a game that hooks into Xbox Live then they can use this to extend Live services to other devices that allow it. MS doesn't need to release an SDK for what they already do.

[rainslacker]

There's nothing wrong with what MS wants to do. But, Sony didn't disallow minecraft cross play content sharing on PS because it required XBL login, they denied it because MS required you to log in to XBL to get updates for said game. I don't think people who bitch about what happened in that scenario understand what was going on, or what MS was trying to do. It was all on MS for locking new Minecraft features behind logging in, and there was no reason they couldn't have rolled out the anticipated update at the time, and just not have done the cross content sharing on PS platforms.

Sony requires that all content be curated and distributed through their own services, and expressly forbids log ins being required to gain updates. MS was trying to bypass compliance standards, and Sony would have said no to anyone in that situation. If MS provided updates through normal channels, there would be nothing in the compliance standards that would disallow a 3rd party sign in for other functions of minecraft, and there are games which do allow this, such as some EA games needing Origin log ins to track progress stats in MP games, or to log into their servers for matchmaking purposes. Even for FFXIV, Square has to roll out its updates for PS on PSN. But Sony allows the 3rd party log on for everything else. In the minecraft scenario, MS didn't get what it wanted, so they took their toys and went home. They could have gotten the MAU's if they had implemented it within compliance standards, because Sony isn't against MS publishing on their system, but they are against companies trying to bypass them for their own gain.

[trooper_]

But you were ready to nail Sony to the tree for wanting to make a profit?

Double standards ftw.

[ziggurcat]

"What’s wrong with MS wanting more subscribers?"

Nothing, but why should they force people on other platforms to create an XBL account in order to cross-play with Xbox users?

[Kribwalker]

ziggurcat1h ago
"What’s wrong with MS wanting more subscribers?"

Nothing, but why should they force people on other platforms to create an XBL account in order to cross-play with Xbox users?“

They only do that with minecraft. A MSowned game, so that being said they can do whatever they want with it. If you want crossplay on aMS owned game, then sign into their servers. Or else just be Happy a MS game is even on PS. Especially since it’s consistently a top seller every year

[ziggurcat]

@krib:

I was referring to this SDK, not Minecraft. Implementing cross-play using this SDK will force people to create an XBL account because it will be required in order to access those Live features.

[Shiken]

90 mil active users on PSN? You just lost all credibility as anyone knows that...

A. Not every PS4 owner is subbed to PSPlus.

B. Not every PS4 that has ever been sold is active.

C. There are actually more XBLGold members than PSPlus members because of thise that still play on 360 and there is no need for a plus membership on PS3.

I actually hope XBL does go to the Nintendo Switch. Maybe then the Switch, which is an otherwise great console, will actually have a feature complete online service.

Playstation is killing it right now, and as a Playstation fan, I am happy for them. They are not perfect however and MS stepping up their game in any way is welcome as competition drives the industry. Or have you forgotten what happened when Sony thought they had a monopoly going into gen 7?

[yomfweeee]

Microsoft doesn't release "Gold membership" counts, so congrats on just making stuff up or being confused. Their Live counts are both free and paid accounts.

There is no way there are more Gold members than Plus members. There are are almost as many Plus members as there are X1 owners.

[S2Killinit]

@Shiken
Wrong, we just had a report saying PSN makes more money than Microsoft’s ENTIRE gaming division. So how can MS have more Live users? Face it people are playing on PSN.

[Kribwalker]

@S2

that total doesn’t include only PSN Subs.

“Sony made around $12.5 billion in 2018 purely from PSN. This accounts for digital sales, purchases of add-on content, and other assorted subscription fees like with PS Plus.”

all those fortnite MTs that are making 250+ million every month are counted in there, digital game sales, DLC, movies all that stuff

[Mr_Writer85]

@Shiken

Why are you talking about sub services? PSN is a free service on PS3 and does not need Plus to play free to play PS4 games (eg Fortnite)

So 90m users over Plus, free to play and PS3 is a very credible number.

[S2Killinit]

@Krib
The report was very clear, “PSN makes more money than Microsoft’s ENTIRE gaming division” (that includes Live and anything else MS makes related to games)

[ziggurcat]

You're conflating PSN users, and PS+ subscribers. And some games, even though they are online MP titles, don't require PS+.

[Tazzy]

Minecraft is on PS4 and so is PUBG but I see where you're coming from.

[Razzer]

As I said to King_Noctis, this has nothing to do with MS first party games. MS has internal APIs and libraries for accomplishing their Live functionality. An SDK gives third party game devs the ability to use these features and extend them to other devices. Minecraft on Switch really has nothing to do with it.

[Atom666]

Nintendo has made millions in royalties off of selling Minecraft. I think they're ok with it.

[gangsta_red]

"So glad Sony stood strong and didn’t allow Xbox Live sign in on PS4."

Why? You sign in to every other different service on PSN (Netflix, Ubisoft, EA, Activision, etc, etc). Every other huge company allows you to make an account for thier service on any platform, but for some reason when MS does it, it's considered evil and bad.

The double standards or just the absolutely plain ridiculousness some people have when it comes to MS is hilarious.

"Xbox isn’t selling well so the want to become a service"

About as false as false can get. MS knows as well as Sony and any other service, that subscriptions are where the money is. This is why you see every company creating their own type of subscription type service including good guy Sony.

"They want to slap Xbox Live on every device they can to get that number up."

Heaven forbid a business trying to make money and expand their user base and get with the times.

[S2Killinit]

Because they are trying to destroy consoles as we know them. You might like what MS does, but i dont. Wouldntblike it if Sony did it either. But it seems MS is actively pushing this future.

[gangsta_red]

@S2killinit
"Because they are trying to destroy consoles as we know them."

Okay...let me understand this correctly...by giving developers easier tools to achieve cross-platform play that allows Xbox Live achievements, social systems, and multiplayer, into games built for mobile devices and the Nintendo Switch...MS is destroying consoles.....

This is exactly what you're telling me correct?

I can't even begin to put any more sarcasm behind this to make this even funnier than it already is.

[yomfweeee]

You need console sales to get subscribers. Does your brain work? No one is buying Gold membership without a Microsoft console.

[gangsta_red]

@yomfwee
"You need console sales to get subscribers"

I wish that made sense!?! Netflix, EA, Ubi as well as other major media services all have subscription services, do they also have their own consoles to sell?

"No one is buying Gold membership without a Microsoft console."

This is extremely funny to read, especially after saying "does your brain work"...this has nothing to do with paying for a live service which is strictly for Xbox consoles that want to play online, this is just tools for developers taking advantage and adding achievements, an established multiplayer and other extras that all come with that live service for crossplay games.

And you do realize that you can create an Xbox Live account (for free) without having an Xbox...did your working brain know this? That this live account will be accessible across all platforms (mobile, PC, Switch, etc) that you play on, this is what MS and everyone is doing to keep gamers connected.

Now, how is MS destroying consoles? How will the PS5 and the next Nintendo console going to be destroyed because of this?

Since your brain is obviously working better than mine maybe you can answer these questions.

[Livingthedream]

Xbox is just a way for MS to get into your living room and expand their services. it's not their main attraction they make a lot more money of other things. Sony needs playstation to sell at these levels since it's one of its main $$ producers so they need to be more protective and restrictive.

[Kiwi66]

So just to twist the scenario what would you say if it was Sony or Nintendo doing this instead of MS, would you be ok with it or would you have the same attitude towards it

[Unspoken]

They've remarked about becoming a software and services company well befote this announcement.

[conanlifts]

"Nintendo should’ve never let them put Minecraft on Switch."

What nonsense. By using live for Minecraft it means any content or items you purchase on a PC, Xbox or switch carry across to all platforms. So you never have to buy things twice.

[Omegasyde]

i agree - I am thinking this whole cross play drama was a trojan horse.

Sure its great for small player bases across games, but it very well could lead to a Publisher Service war.

Ie MS gamepass
Ea game pass
ubisoft game pass
PSnow
Bethesda game pass
Activision game pass.

Just like how people cut cable and went streaming only, now to watch the shows you want now you have to subscibe to multiple services and actually end up paying more that you would of on a cable bundle.

[conanlifts]

The trick is to subscribe to one at a time. Watch or play what you want and then move to the other service. People that subscribe to everything at once are doing it wrong. There is more than enough available to subscription hop. It also means you get to take up offers when these companies try to get you to return.

[NeoGamer232]

I am not sure what planet you have been on for the last decade but it does not seem to be planet earth.

Microsoft has been pushing towards multi-platform XBox Live for many, many years now. There was Games for Windows Live launched in May 2007, Age of Empires Castle Seige in September 2014, Wordament back from 2012, Microsoft Solitaire, etc over the past many years. They took those efforts and put efforts towards Xbox Play Anywhere and now they are spreading more broadly with Minecraft among other games.

Microsoft has quietly built towards this point for over a decade now. And it is starting to become more and more popular as gamers see the benefits of connecting to one gaming profile to play all your games on many devices from Android, to iOS, to PC, to XBox Console.

There is no logical argument against a multi-platform gaming network. There are only gamers who are salty to this idea because they know it would end the console wars to which they have been attached to for a very long time. I can't wait til the console wars are over and gamers are free to choose the platform they like the most and can play their games against anyone else on any other platform.

[Vits]

Well Microsoft Gaming division is growing. Last quarter they reported a 44% overall increased, but that was highly because of a 36% growth in the software and service revenue. So it's obvious that this segment is their biggest strength.

Xbox Live Gold alone have 57 million users and the last report put the active Live users at 64 million. The difference between those numbers is most likely from platforms that have access to the Live but don't pay for the Live Gold. Like the Nintendo Switch and the PC.

Therefore it's a no brainer that they want to expand the places where the service is available. Even more if the rumors of their streaming gaming system comes to fruition.

[Godmars290]

So it has more users than consoles?

Meanwhile Sony's made more than the Xbox and Switch combined.

[Vits]

Yes, there are more Xbox Live users than Xbox One consoles sold. That is obvious since the service can be used by means other than XOne consoles.

And Sony is doing a great job and it is the de facto leader of the console gaming market. That said, both Nintendo and Microsoft's gaming division are also growing, expanding and profiting. Which in the end is great for consumers and the market as a whole.

[mcstorm]

Goldmars290 yep it dose as pc users can use xbox live and I am one of them. Due to now having a family I sold my X as I don't have time to play online and decided to use my pc instead seems most games I owned were play anywhere and I also kept gamepass. But don't need to pay for live to play online for the small amount of times I do at the moment.

[Unspoken]

Whoa, you can't comprehend it having more users than consoles. Whoosh!

Sony's handful is dwarfed in comparison to PC and Mobile.

[conanlifts]

He is taking into account users on PC or switch that subscribe for cross play etc. Plus 57 million users would probably include xbox 360 owners, though i would find it interesting of so many 360 owners still had subscriptions. It would be good for MS to break it down. Last reports were 41 million xbox one consoles sold. Now bare in mind that many families have 2 consoles so they can play with their kids, which means less paid users.

Alternatively MS are counting users based on profiles, so for example I have 4 profiles and 2 consoles. The other 3 profiles are my childrens, so if they count child and family users as active users that is quite different.

[Godmars290]

Thing is, many on XBL - PC users - aren't paying for XBL. Which, considering MS first tried to charge PC users for it only to be laughed at and shamed not to, would change as soon as it became legitimately popular.

And MS still has issue in not valuing SP games. Have repeatedly been shamed into making statements about supporting them, only to as soon either reverse those statements or directly give no support to SP gaming. Tack on MP and reason for XBL, their paid subscription service.

So stop saying everything a gaming company does - which "indirectly" increases their profits - is good for gaming in general. That's how DLC, MTs and loot boxes became things.

A "Netflix of Gaming" does not bode well for RPGs much less anything requiring deep story or character development. It does however favor production line game development mentality which we sorely need less of.

[Vits]

Yes, this is obvious. If it were not, there would be no need to report both numbers.

And I'm not saying that anything that a gaming company does is good, as long as it increases their profits. What I'm saying is that companies surviving and growing is ultimately a good thing for the market, because it allows for multiple options for the consumer what is ultimately good.

Now, if Microsoft is going to a path you do not agree, then you can support other companies that are going the other way. If only one company were successful, that would not be possible.

[The Wood]

I like your comments Vits. Very diplomatic.

[Omegasyde]

If streaming/annual services becomes the main channel for new games kiss all those AAA games goodbye.

Studios will split resources and make smaller games with less budget and time.

[Godmars290]

"Now, if Microsoft is going to a path you do not agree, then you can support other companies that are going the other way."

Thing is we're having this discussion regarding an article where MS is effectively trying to insert themselves into how other companies do things. Which could very well result in having to pay for two subscriptions: the console you own, and access to MS's networks. Likewise MS muscling in on Android and iOS could result in Google or Apple gaming going paid subscription, which was why PS3 owners complained to 360 owners to complain about/not use XBL Gold.

When COD, then Skyrim, became industry standards I, as a SP RPG fan mostly into deep narrative stories and predetermined complex characters whose character was examined/explored through gameplay rather than openended player templates, was f**ked. Now at best all I've got are MMO clones, iOS gotcha RPGs and largely unevolved visual novels.

And all you've got to say is let MS be MS.

[Livingthedream]

MS has released several single player games this gen, and I'm inclined to believe they would have done really well on playstation. They sell more multiplayer games than single player only games, it's just a fact for their platform, so they have to play to their strengths. Sonys hardcore fans love their single player games, good or mediocre they still sell.

[Vits]

"Thing is we're having this discussion regarding an article where MS is effectively trying to insert themselves into how other companies do things. Which could very well result in having to pay for two subscriptions: the console you own and acces to MS's Network"

I personally don't see a issue in paying for a service, if I'm using that service. Even more if that allows me to access games and features in a device that would normally not have them. But if you see a problem with it, don't support it. There are other options on the market.

"Likewise MS muscling in on Android and iOS could result in Google or Apple gaming going paid subscription, which was why PS3 owners complained to 360 owners to complain about/not use XBL Gold. "

That would be on Google and Apple though. The same way that the PSN going paid is on Sony.
Yes, Microsoft "started" the paid online on consoles with the Live Gold way back in 2002, but each company has chosen how to proceed by themselves.

Nintendo for example keep it free for more than 15 after the Live Gold was first introduced.

"When COD, then Skyrim, became industry standards I, as a SP RPG fan mostly into deep narrative stories and predetermined complex characters whose character was examined/explored through gameplay rather than openended player templates, was f**ked. Now at best all I've got are MMO clones, iOS gotcha RPGs and largely unevolved visual novels."

That happens buddy. Not every market trend will be good for you in particular, but it's not like every single companie will follow them, just look for the ones that create what you enjoy and support their work.

"And all you've got to say is let MS be MS"

Yes, every company will do what they think is best for their business. Support the ones that resonate with you. But again, if the is a single winner in the maker. We are all screwed because their way becomes the only way.

[Godmars290]

One more time: We're talking about companies going their own way, doing their own thing, in regards to an article about MS inserting the Xbox brand onto other platforms like Android and Switch. This after leading the charge for crossplay, which is directly related to the subject at hand, while continuing to recover from the original XB1 launch polices which would have strictly dictated how the system would have been accessed. You might be happy with all that entails from a company that's been repeatedly pressured towards supporting exclusives only reverse itself, but I'm not. Would rather they just kept to themselves or realize their mistakes - but they aren't.

Really have to ask why they aren't compared to EA Activision and Ubisoft, but then their fans keeps telling me with each declaration that MS can do no wrong.

[starchild]

Hey, Vits, nice comments. We need more people like you around these parts. Next to my PC I've always preferred Sony consoles, but that doesn't mean I hate the other platforms. A lot of the fanboys on this site are just completely unreasonable and toxic. They don't know how to have a preference but still be fair and honest. I mean, I think most of us can be a little fanboyish from time to time, but for some of these guys it's a full time job.

[eagle21]

I understand clearly why they would want this but the benefit to their hardware sales seems like it might actually shrink. Nintendo has been excellent at attracting gamer's from all consoles this generation and something like this will help them get even more Xbox fans....especially the Xbox fans in Japan. It's like having Windows on competitor hardware...it helped the sales of competitors hardware while helping make Microsoft richer. So they rather Xbox be a software provider in the future? Maybe Halo is going to be on PlayStation's and Nintendo consoles in the future? I'll take Banjo back on Nintendo, Microsoft. And allow Nintendo (or Retro Studios) to co-develop it with Rare. Make that happen and you will get some money from me...lol.

[Wikkid666]

Little to no money in hardware.

[Psychonaut]

Having a sony console with exclusive games via disc,with xboxlive and Xbox exclusives online. I wouldn't be upset about that. I could play my favorite games, then jump online and enjoy Forza from Xbox. I'm not mad at that notion.

[King_Noctis]

Most people here don’t think it that way. They don’t want choice. They only want one plastic console to reign supreme. I’ll never understand this thought process.

[InTheZoneAC]

because games as a service is cancer if that ever becomes #1 priority, in this case it is for M$

[S2Killinit]

You will rue the day MS’s business model becomes the norm.

[RauLeCreuset]

"Most people here don’t think it that way. They don’t want choice."

Nah. We don't want Xbox. Some of you don't understand the distinction. It's a shame.

[SuperSonic91]

Wow, your ignorance is amazing!
Open your eyes and do some detective work man.

There is a profound reason why most people prefer to play PS4 than Microsoft or Nintendo game products combined. More people have seen through the good PS4 is doing for the gaming industry and the bad MS and Nintendo is doing to it. So they learn and choose to support PS4.

Do yourself a good favor and try to find out, man.

Nintendo will become Microsofts little pawn to be used to stop Sony's dominance in gaming.

[S2Killinit]

We want choice, just not the type of choice MS is handing out.

[OffRoadKing]

Which is funny considering the article after article we get here talking about how MS is "fixing everything" and "buying up studios" and will "take over" and "be the winning console" next gen. Apparently some people want that plastic console to reign supreme, of course until it does some will act like they dont understand the thought process. I never saw any "people dont want a choice" comments like yours when 360 reigned supreme.

[Razzer]

and now we have another mind reader. Great

[King_Noctis]

@Razzer

Mind reader? You can’t be freaking serious. Either you have a short attention span or you pretend to know nothing about this place.

[ILostMyMind]

And that's what MS says? I would not mind that option. The platform is from Sony and it will earn the share of it on all sales anyway. I wonder how much it would cost a Microsoft game on PlayStation having to pay part of the Sony + Microsoft + developer.

[m2stech]

It's microsoft surely there's a catch

[RauLeCreuset]

Not really a catch. It's plainly obvious. Now that they're poised to be outsold by both PS4 and Switch, they want to use Live as a trojan horse to siphon customers from their competitors' closed ecosystems.

[InTheZoneAC]

microsofts grand plan is to get as many sheep onto Live. They may not be into xbox consoles forever, but if they can keep getting subscriptions that is their main goal. Games as a service is where they're at. I'm not supporting that whatsoever.

[SegaGamer]

Unless the games as a service idea fails, I can see them abandoning consoles after next gen. If they are trying to set up a service to play games on any device, then eventually they will have no need for a console. Actually, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they end up selling their own device that is dedictated to Xbox game service next gen.

It may not effect me so much because I moved to pc gaming, but surely xbox owners are starting to wonder if there is any point buying the next gen Xbox.

[chiefJohn117]

Sound ridiculously Ms do make a killing of controllers and disk is still high priority for many gamers. Y'all say that bs every gen. Ms is a software company at heart. They brought online gaming on console to the forefront, they're naturally gonna push gaming services. You clearly see them double down on hardware this gen and next gen but you make a comment like that. Stop it

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

This is why I hate ms, and I know working in IT I am not alone...They try to cram too much damn services crap that is tied to your Live (Or Xbox) account to try and inflate their MAU numbers. rig off with this nonsense. Last thing i want is an MS login before I play a game. This is why their PC efforts have been awful. Instead of giving PCX gamers what they want they try and force their vision unto Pc gamers. PC gamers are too smart for that, Xbox not o much lol. Keep chasing that GAAS MS and compete against third parties lol.

[chiefJohn117]

Lol you sound ridiculous. Xbox is a brand if a brand offers a service you don't think they should force sign ups? 😂 "We should get game pass without signing up for Xbox live rawrawraw" you clearly don't know how business works and what keep the wheels turning. Apparently ps gamers like it cause many of em said they'll just get game pass on their Uber powerful PC. So even PlayStation users love MS gaas. Don't like it? Don't sign up no one is forcing you

[rainslacker]

Most people around here aren't really familiar with MS business practices outside of XBox, and are unaware of the long history of how Live has been slowly, but surely, integrated into every facet of their product lines. XBL is just a specific part of Live, but there was a time, about 20 odd years ago, where MS made it clear that ecosystem service engagement, was their future, and it's why practically everything you do with MS products requires a live login.

On the plus side, when it came to business or enterprise solutions, there were more practical benefits to having a MS login of that sort, as it made transporting one's work from one place to another much easier without having to go through an extensive IT engagement process for each individual, and it was more fluid and straight forward for the actual worker.

I do question why I need a live login to run visual studio or confirm that I am a registered user of my $400 product, or why my work requires a live login for MSSQL when we don't use their authentication services in house. But, the overall benefits are there on a grander scale, so whatever.

MS also provides a lot of free services with those log ins to many companies, which makes communication easier.

I have nothing against MS wanting to increase its MAU's through whatever means they feel necessary, so long as its legal. I do have problems when they try to undermine competition by making it an absolute requirement for licensing terms.

But again, that's a side of this whole Live ecosystem that XBox gamers on here don't seem to understand how or why MS does these things, and refuses to listen to anyone who brings it up. They certainly disregard, or don't look into any of MS past, or present, endevours on what they do on this front. They only care about why it's OK for MS to do it, and if its something they can blame Sony for when Sony says no because MS is trying to be underhanded, or think they're special and don't have to comply with Sony's standards for releasing on it's own system. Rules that actually exist in the same way through MS own compliance standards on Xbox.

[gangsta_red]

Not really what the article is about but since no one is actually reading it I'll just address your concerns.

"Last thing i want is an MS login before I play a game."

Why? You log in to PSN before you play a game. How many other accounts do you login in to before you play or view something? Twitter, FB, Ubi, Xvideos, all have options to log in, but for some reason for MS it's bad and you don't want to...because...MS will use your login to inflate their numbers therefore hurting your feelings? I can only guess that's the reason you wouldn't want this.

"Instead of giving PCX gamers what they want they try and force their vision unto Pc gamers."

Which is...??

"Keep chasing that GAAS MS and compete against third parties lol."

Lol...wut?

[optimus]

i always laugh when pc gamers/ Microsoft haters claim to be too smart for services and such and claim that they'd rather play their games on pc...all the while using a windows pc to do so. 😄 .... hypocrisy at it's finest indeed.🙄

[FGHFGHFGH]

well it's why pc users don't have to pay for xbox live. Even though it's free on pc it still isn't popular

[optimus]

@fgh...?

you completely missed the point.🙄...let me explain it to you and see if you can follow. the usual complainers that like to proclaim "why buy an xbox if it's on pc?...it's better on pc...microsoft is the root of all evil", blah, blah, etc.....those same people will play their precious games on pc (whether it's free or not) but they have windows software running their pc....get it now?🙄

[rainslacker]

Why laugh? Outside of MS getting money(possibly) for Windows, they don't own the PC space. They may make money off their own software sales, but unless they sell a game on their store, they aren't making any money there. If publishers aren't utilizing XBL features in their games, like achievements or matchmaking, what exactly does MS gain, other than a $40-100 one time fee for the selling of Windows...if the person is even using a paid version of it?

They can use PC, and windows, but it doesn't mean MS really benefits in the gaming space from it.

I know the new thing to make MS look better is to say that people are still playing Xbox on PC, because Windows, but that's not really how it works, and even MS isn't so worried about the hardware, as they are about getting those MAU's, and profiting off sales from their store. So, I laugh more at the Xbox fan boy who thinks they're winning the argument now because of this notion, without realizing that it actually has more potential to take away Xbox's importance to gaming as a whole.

[optimus]

@rainslacker.... you missed the point too.🙄 ....once again, I'm talking about people that hate everything microsoft that have the audacity to complain and bad mouth them yet are USING a windows pc. whether they paid for the software or not is irrelevant. operating that pc requires windows software, to play their games whether published by Microsoft or not requires windows software....

sure, they can use macs, or Linux instead but they won't have all the games that are available through windows, especially the triple A games that don't go to macs or linux...these are the hypocrites that I'm talking about and the reason why they make me laugh. 🙄

[Godmars290]

So long as subscription fees don't come with it, which it very well will.

[mezati99]

can somebody please explain to me how this in any shape or form a bad for the customers?

brand loyalty is one helluva drug

[gangsta_red]

It's not...but people see MS and instantly go into overdrive.

[chiefJohn117]

Nintendo and MS should partner up.

[badz149]

partner up? like MS making the hardware and let NIntendo makes them games? that could work! but we know how they fared during their previous partnerships. MS with Sega and Nintendo with Sony...we wouldn't want that to happen again, right?

[chiefJohn117]

No Xbox live services like the network and xcloud comes to Nintendo platforms and select Nintendo exclusives come to xbox. This way both make money on their own specific products but something from eachother too

[Ricegum]

ChiefJohn

Nintendo don't need Microsoft. Why would they do that?

[Pricey]

Except wouldn't Nintendo want their own service? If so why would they facilitate Microsofts plans for a distopian gaming future.

[starchild]

Dystopian gaming future? Haha you people are too much.

Gaming is going to be just fine. There will continue to be plenty of experiences for all tastes.

[BLow]

So now they will try to monopolize online gaming at a price of course. Just like when certain fanboys praised MS for charging for online play, now you same people want Xbox Live on every platform for a fee.

What their vision was at the beginning of this gen is slowly taking shape and people are just accepting it especially the fanboys. If y'all was this passionate about good quality exclusives this gen then maybe MS would have started buying studios YEARS ago.

I need to get off of this site again because is just getting worse. I know what MS is trying to do. They want to be on every device and y'all think Gamepass won't be next? They basically want to become 3rd party. They've said it on multiple occasions!! How can anyone not see it?? First Live, then Gamepass. People have said this in other articles about Gamepass and the fanboys just ate them up and said no way that would happen. Y'all really think just is just about crossplay lol.

The beginning of the gen was too much too fast. Now they are trying to do the same but now they are bending us over and slowly easing it in lol.

I can't anymore. I have so much more to say but there is no point. I'm done commenting on this site as I see things getting worse by the day. The blind loyalty is gone too far. Have fun... logging out....

[ApocalypseShadow]

If people who care about the game industry and their hobby sit back and allow them to spread their idea of what gaming is supposed to be, then it will surely happen unopposed.

That's why counterpoint is needed. It was bad enough when Microsoft controlled the message and media last Gen and the results were paying for online, micro transactions, dlc because DVD wasn't big enough to hold games like Blu-ray, etc.

If gamers wouldn't have provided a counterpoint this Gen, we would be looking at always online, 24 hour check-ins and a camera that watches us while not being able to own, trade or share games. Sony leading has brought gaming back to standards and way less westernized Japanese games. And single player still being a priority.

If you know what's going on, make your voice heard and back it with facts. That's how they can't get away with it.

[Shikoku]

No thanks

[pyroxxx]

Cancer is still live and well @ Redmond. Watch me not being upset of MS just goes away,.. everything they touch turns to shit.

[ElementX]

Sure, you want 1000s of people to lose their jobs because you don't like MS?

[spwittbold]

Anyone else think this would cannibalize Microsoft hardware sales? Would seem to me that it wouldn't make sense to purchase an Xbox if SaaS (Live) provides their games on just about any console. There would have to be some console exclusives for this to be a thing - but seems like with GamePass their goal is to have "Xox Live," exclusives which, in the long-run, may have been their goal anyway since their focus in the past has usually been on software as opposed to hardware :S.

[trooper_]

There must be a catch to this.

[ziggurcat]

And now we really see why Sony was so resistant to cross-console play with Xbox...

[gangsta_red]

No we don't. Especially since this is an option for developers to implement live features for their crossplay games and also developers who wanted crossplay for their games were third party and had no requirement to log into Live.

[ziggurcat]

"this is an option for developers to implement live features for their crossplay games..."

... which will require the creation of an XBL account in order to gain access...

[gangsta_red]

Which this sdk will be across mobile and Switch as an option for developers...no where does is say it's required for Sony. Especially when there are already crossplay games for PS4, Xbox and Switch that does not require you to log in to Live.

[ziggurcat]

“Microsoft wants to bring Xbox Live cross-platform gaming to Android, iOS, Nintendo Switch, AND MORE”

[gangsta_red]

Where does it say it's required for crossplay with Sony? MORE could mean PC, show me where it says Sony.

Which developers for Sony did MS send this to?

C'mon Ziggurcat, this is just like before when you demanded that an official statement specifically state something or it's just false.

Or are we now going to forgive such things?

[Kribwalker]

To Assume things makes an Ass out of U and Me.....
There already is crossplay between them now without the need to sign in to MS services. Fortnite you sign in to epic services with an Epic account. Shortly with Rocket League, you will have to sign in to the Rocket ID system if you want to be able to party up cross console. If you want to play a Ubisoft game online, you have to sign in to there servers.

Did you notice a trend here? All of these companies require you to sign in to there servers to play there games. Why should it be different with something like Minecraft or other MS owned games? Why should it be a problem if a dev sees the SDK, realizes it will make their job that much easier, they will save money not having to develop their own system, it will save them time not having to develop there own “rocket pass” (which obviously is not easy as it has been delayed since last fall and still isnt out yet) what if they see they can save money not having to run there own servers and after all of that they decide it’s better just to use it?

food for thought

[ziggurcat]

I'll give you a moment to figure out the difference between signing into an account from the three devs/publishers you've cited, and signing into XBL on a competitor's system.

"Why should it be different with something like Minecraft or other MS owned games?"

This XDK/SDK isn't limited to MS-owned games.

"what if they see they can save money not having to run there own servers and after all of that they decide it’s better just to use it?"

And if using MS's servers requires you to sign into or create an XBL account (something I've suggested could be one possible reason out of many for Sony's reluctance on cross-console play with Xbox), we can see precisely why Sony would be not-so-favourable towards cross-console play with Xbox. We can also see with this one paragraph:

"Now Xbox Live is about to get MUCH bigger. Xbox Live is expanding from 400M gaming devices and a reach to over 68M active players to over 2B devices with the release of our new cross-platform XDK."

that it's probably one reason why MS was pushing cross-play so hard - they knew this XDK/SDK would bolster their MAUs (and we both know how much MS loves to tout their MAU numbers). Sony probably did not want to have any part of that, either.

"Why should it be different with something like Minecraft ... ?"

Even today, people are playing Minecraft on PS3/PS4 online without using an XBL account, so why should it be different with something like cross-console play?

[Pancit_Canton]

Goodbye Xbox hardware.

Microsoft just want to become a glorified streambox. I'm sure Nintendo would drop them immediately after they get their own streaming service.

They are following the path of Sega. They would eventually become a third party developer for Sony and Nintendo.

[Greedsin]

It's interesting to see them go in this direction. It's clear they will be planning to keep support for the Xbox with exclusive games but I do wonder if this means that they will invest in developers who will build games for all platforms then? Minecraft is a perfect example of this, kind of, where the game is on everything yet it's owned by Microsoft. Yes the game was out a while ago before Microsoft purchased the developers but they haven't hesitated to let the game be published on every console and device out there instead of keeping it on PC and Xbox.

If they were to invest in developer's with the intent of releasing it on everything so everyone could play together it could be a huge deal. I for one like this idea, if Sea Of Thieves was on everything and I could pull all of my friends in to play it no matter what console they were on I would gladly jump right in since I do have friends who only play on consoles some of us don't own still.

The only thing to do really is to sit back and see where this goes at this point, maybe Microsoft will show something off sooner then later to try and pull people into the idea.

[Xaevi]

At first I didn't like the idea of needing an XBL account to play Minecraft through cross-play, but at this point idc. It's the same as making an Epic account for Fortnite or an account for Warframe. I just want this pointless restriction for cross-play to end. The excuses from the fanboys and from SONY aren't convincing anyone and there's absolutely no reason to not allow this to already happen.

[jznrpg]

I won’t download Xbox live on any device -

[Wulfer]

Then you deserve the half baked service you're using. When Sony makes statements like the following the service isn't up to where it should be. Quoted below for you:

"Sony noted that the PlayStation platform remains heavily game-centric, and while there has been some takers for their music offering (for gamers wanting to listen to music while gaming), users coming to PlayStation for movies/TV content have been limited. It was noted that management will have to consider strategies for the business – whether to build it as a comprehensive entertainment platform, or as a comprehensive game platform – with an eye to developing subscription services and the user base. This is a key strategic question Sony is deciding currently...whether to build PSN as a comprehensive entertainment platform, or double down on games.

Regarding the struggling PS Vue business, Sony reiterated it was a supporter when the business was developed and launched, with a key attraction being the value of the data generated by viewers, rather than intrinsic profitability. Sony acknowledged that the sustainability of the business in the face of “power player” rivals must be a point of internal discussion."

Sony even admits PS Vue is struggling to be a value to Sony. Funny thing is MS isn't making claims like that about their online setups see below from an investor report.

"Microsoft views the Xbox Game Pass, which now includes new first-party titles, as a compelling value to consumers at $9.99 per month. Xbox Game Pass can also help to drive monetization for smaller third-party titles that would otherwise garner little attention relative to their much larger peers. The inclusion of Microsoft’s new games in the service has resulted in a lift to the overall retail sales of those titles as a key point of friction to gameplay has been removed. With that said, it doesn’t expect to see new AAAs from the third-party publishers included in the service any time soon. Instead, it expects multiple subscription services to emerge over the next several years, although individual publishers may not have enough breadth to provide a compelling product to consumers.

In Microsoft’s experience, subscription services generally boost gameplay time, engagement, and monetization. Within Xbox Game Pass, it is seeing core gamers who want to consume more content that they otherwise couldn’t afford, as well as casual gamers who prefer not to pay $60 upfront for a given title. Overall, it has seen a boost to net dollars in its video game ecosystem, with more games translating to more hours of gameplay. It intends to bring the subscription service to PCs at some point.

Microsoft is working on a game streaming service that will deliver console-quality experiences on mobile. According to the company, there are two billion gamers worldwide. It believes that a streaming solution needs three components to be successful: good content, a strong community, and a robust cloud offering. It has termed these items as “the three Cs.” It envisions a scenario where it can eventually deliver games to consumers who don’t own a console, and believes that cloud gaming is closer to being a reality than it has in the past. A successful streaming provider needs a regional footprint with scale to drive efficiencies for the provider and the consumer.

Microsoft believes that its new studios will help it to achieve a primary goal, the delivery of one AAA game per quarter in order to drive Xbox Game Pass. "

Both articles can be found here:

https://www.resetera.com/th...

[RoseSapphire]

When you have such a small player base this generation you need to get new players somewhere.

[Codewow]

Apple won’t allow it they blocked steam from putting their game streaming app on iOS and that pissed me off enough.

[Larrysweet]

Hey says what yall will look at numbers ps plus made more money then xbox live quadruple fold

[Wulfer]

What happens when MS has the games???? MS already has the online structure. They have Azure ready for game streaming and now they have a successful Game Pass program to show movement in the right direction. Plus they want gaming everywhere not tied to one console. They even support Backward Compatibility to show commitment to their core gamer's. What has Sony done lately???? Oh you can pay to change your gamer tag name now. Yeah Sony sounds like their in the drivers seat pushing all these important areas (not).

[Gwiz]

Well how much did they spend on Minecraft?they figured that game alone would sell Xbox's ].

[bu3ouf91]

In this case all platform will be the losers and Microsoft will gain more profit.

[GameStallion]

Why don’t they just focus on making AAA story based games? I don’t get how Microsoft just doesn’t get it.

[the worst]

Somebody is trying to pad there numbers

[FanboySpotter]

Why are most of the people making it seem like xbox is quitting consoles? Lol consoles and game streaming can't coexist or? Stop being fanboys. Everyone on here has been saying that they were quitting hardware for years, and they keep going with those lies almost like they wish it was true it's so odd. You can read most of these comments like they believe they are stopping hardware even when we got word from ms that consoles wont ever stop but people here don't seem to know what options are. "No need for an xbox i can play on next gen ps console and xbox on mobile" is that supposed to be bad? There is no issue lol *options* people that like xbox and consoles will still get next gen xbox consoles. Weren't ps diehards saying cloud streaming will not work/will be delayed and stuff now they're good saying "just gonna play xbox on mobile and get my ps5" they forgot about the delays they were worrying about when they read this headline huh? They read it and just couldn't resist. Not getting next gen xbox console but will play on mobile? That's a thing. It's an option. They aren't ending consoles because of you or casuals that wanna try some xbox on the go, the consoles will continue for those that love consoles, like xbox AND want to play on the go when they're away. What is the issue again? Also the consoles will continue for the people new to gaming trying xbox on mobile that might go "hey that next gen xbox plays what i used to play on my phone but with clearer visuals and audio i should get it" they aren't stopping for you they're continuing for them all. It's all very positive. All options. I know what the article meant but most people here just.. wow lol it's like it's a hassle to think and easier to say things that aren't.

[Atomicjuicer]

I’m all in for this!

Giant head: Microsoft, Show me what you got

[milohighclub]

Bring gàme pass to android n I'm sold ;)

[Platformgamer]

just put gamepass on every console, playstation included, and stop making consoles dear microsoft, thanks.

[microgenius]

Microsoft has gotten it wrong
they are turning xbox into a bitch

[darx]

All for it, thanks MS.

[Flewid638]

Gotta make games people wanna play first.

[sampsonon]

I'm buying a PS5. So i don't give a crap what MS does.
exclusives are best on PS, and always will be.

[oneconsoleonly]

Microsoft desperately trying to make money. I wonder if next gen they will release all their games on other platform as well including mac