IDC analyst Lewis Ward believes that current gen systems still have a couple years of life left in them.
Lol no. It will be happening this year.
lol no it will happen last year.
Sony are not even going to have a conference at E3 this year. They will do a Sony conference themselves like they did in Feb 2013 when they announced ps4
nah they taking a PS4 Pro approach
Lol they not taking the ps4pro approach. They gonna just like the og ps4 reveal. The pro reveal was kinda laid back more of a technical presentation and explanation. The ps5 reveal, like the ps4 reveal, is gonna be a huge spectacle.
I agree. It's too early to call it a trend, but I suspect Sony will make it a tradition to release The Last of Us during console transitions. So if it is true that The Last of Us Part II will release this year, i expect an announcement this year. For me, some pieces are falling into place suggesting a release or announcement for PS5, at least. Here's my prediction... Sony is skipping E3 because they're planning their own event. I suspect they will partner with AMD again and be a showcase for Navi. It makes sense because (1) I cannot imagine AMD would release such an underwhelming product in the Radeon VII and that's their big move this year and (2) since we've not really heard about a meeting happening in February, I suspect Sony is coming full force mid year. Makes sense: take wind out of E3's sail and the venue is exactly what they want it to be. Of course, this assumes Sony will NOT walk into PS5 with arrogance. I'm hoping the transition to PS5 is as golden as PSOne to PS2. As for Microsoft, I expect them to hold their console back a year or so to announce something with better specs, but they may also drop the price of One X, introduce a streaming platform for this year, then release something traditional next year. I have no confidence in my predictions for Microsoft, but I know Xbox Live will not be free.
Radeon VII is underwhelming???
darthv72 - "Radeon VII is underwhelming???" it's debatable. it's powerful but also has no new features from the console upgrades. it's also too expensive to put in a console within the next year. It's a $700 GPU!!!! likely this won't even be the same Navi GPU to make it to consoles.
well... technically its free now. Xbox Live is free.... but Xbox Live Gold costs.... just like Playstation online vs Playstation Plus.
darthv72, As a gaming GPU? Yes, I would say so. I have no idea why they chose to prioritize HBM2, knowing that'd drive up the cost. It seems like they were going for a workstation setup. It does pretty well with Devil May Cry V in 4K, sure, but you can get an RTX 2080 for the same price with ray tracing. It doesn't really offer any comparable features and the RTX 2080 is comparably powered. As graphics cards improve, there will be a limit to the quality of visual fidelity. Nvidia actually doesn't seem to be focused on graphics so much anymore, but features to improve immersion (RT, DLSS). I prefer AMD over Nvidia big time, but VII really isn't the right answer to the competition in my opinion.
Wonder why the analyst believe that E3 is the go-to conference for revealing these consoles. The next gen consoles are going to be a big deal for many. The audience is big enough for gaming now that having a conference just for that is feasible, and even preferable, as it allows for all eyes to be on the reveal, instead of being spread out over the rest of the news from a conference. A reveal at E3, or other conference, also detracts from all that other news at conferences, which is also not great for the rest of the industry there. As to the year, 2020 is more likely. Sony still has games to release this year, and likely into next, and they aren't going to cut PS4 sales before their time. PS5 likely isn't releasing this year, so no reason to announce it this year.
I think it will be happening sooner. This year especially with Sony not going to E3 2019. Sony will throw their own event where they are front and center in the spotlight. Just like the PS4 reveal event.
Seems like yesterday Mark Cerny was saying "8GB of GDDR5!!!!" It's still to early. There's still life in the current gen. Another 2 years.
Seeing as most games are gonna have backward and forward compatibility. It doesnt matter
U just assumed that though, might not be the case at all. Sony is taking it in with PS4. No need to rush out the PS5. Especially when we have the Pro and the X there is still a good 2 years of this gen left. Were just past the 5 year mark. PlayStation's don't last 5 years, more like 7.
If sony doesn't announce ps5 by feb or march then I wouldn't expect it this year. I'm guessing holiday 2020
It's not happening this year
Sony's going to announce PS5 at E3...even though they're not going to be there...? Edit: Oh, wait, 2020. Yeah, they're definitely announcing it in 2019.
The only issue I see is that Vega 7nm was only 35% more powerful than Vega 14nm. Even if we apply this logic to say Xbox One X's specs at 6 TFLOPS+35%, we'll come out with around 8.1 TFLOPS for $499 not including whatever loss Sony will take for a larger HDD and increased RAM.(unsure what the TFLOPS difference is exactly obviously since it's not released- just going by their benchmarks, however, I've heard TSMC's 7nm was more like 10nm in actuality which could be the culprit) I'm not sure what improvements they can make in the meantime or if Navi can make serious improvements to 7nm, however, AMD has stated 7nm is their jump for the next few years: people that were expecting 16TFLOPS for $399 are going to be in for a rude awakening. I'd be prepared for a little more than half that for $499.
Yeah next gen when ever it happens will be intresting but for me due to now have a little I've found myself moving to pc. I have a dell laptop I acquired from work and it has a Xeon processor with a strong nvidia graphic card ssd and 32gb of ram I never used it for gaming as I just used it for video editing ect but with ms moving big games like forza to Windows 10 I thought ide give it a go and been nothing but impressed with how it's handled games like forza horizon 4 SoT gears and others I've tried like fifa, mgs. Its strange I never thought ide become a pc gamer but looks like I'm going over this gen and be intresting to see if i go back when the new gen comes out or stick with pc. Looking forward to see where gaming goes next though I still don't think vr will be the way but a you never know.
I think anyone expecting 16tf for $499 hasn't been paying attention. I think 8tf, combined with the much improved CPU and increased RAM/VRAM will make a much bigger difference than people think (especially with the wizards in Sony's first party studios), but yes, diminishing returns are and will continue to be an issue, that's just the reality of it.
I agree for the most part. Although depending on how much they spend on the CPU end of things I can see 8TF at $399 not $499 as a possibility. Contrary to that belief with the rumors of certain aspects of their VR (e.g. breakout box) being integrated that can add additional cost that may affect other decisions. No matter what people believe Sony is not going to release a loss-leader. As for $499 barring any special (niche) build costs and looking at where AMD plans to be in capability I can see in 18 months (late 2020 release) that 10TF as a possibility for a $499 price tag.
With the sales sony has been having with their first party games since they got their marketing act back together at start of this gen I could well see a loss leader. Because they know people are enjoying literally every gsme they release plus they have franchises like Spider-Man exclusive to their console for the foreseeable future. Fans know that now and will want the next one. I am expecting due simply to similar architecture that ps4 games will be fully compatible with ps5. I'm also expecting about 10 Tf but it's a faster cpu that will be the biggest benefit I think. That has off been the bottleneck supposedly right from start of this gen.
Anything over 12 is unrealistic. I expect it to land between 8-10tflops
maybe 8 to 12 teraflop max for 499
I’m no analysis. But I believe we will see an announcement this year. Most likely see a few demoes and even the design. Building up hype for 2020z
Nah they're not gonna cannibalize sales. 2020 announcement and release.
More likely a reveal would come maybe around 6 months before release. Chances are, no announcement this year. Otherwise, Sony would reveal before E3, then actually be at E3. While E3 may not be as important for general yearly stuff, it's too big to ignore for a console release. I doubt the reveal itself will be at E3 though.
Seems like perfect timing IMO.
next xbox came out pretty recently, are they releasing a new console at the rate companies do phones?
MS have expressed that desire in the past...
Xbox yep no doubt Ps5 no your dreaming.
Too soon for Playstation. There is still life and amazing games coming to the PS4. Xbox can throw their next attempt when ever they want cause they lost this Gen even before it started.
I see a sprinkled prick-tease coming around holidays this year but I dont see an official reveal until next year either, Sony has plenty to focus on currently for the next 18 months or more
"Traditional" at this point is specialized PC. The only we might be certain of is that the PS5 will directly be BC to the PS4.
I say next month just becuz am i considered a official analyst now?
Sony's going to announce next Tuesday, that they quietly released the system this past Monday. They're going to pull a Sega Saturn level reveal. That's my prediction as an analyst who doesn't have to be held accountable to my words.
Sounds like these 2 consoles will be release late 2020
Add all those numbers together, and you get 5. Hex Value of 2021 is 7E5. PS5 will be Sony's 7th console, E is the 5th letter of the alphabet...and 5. PS5 CONFIRMED!!! Somehow with HL3, but I'm too tired to do more computer math.
It's going to happen this year for Sony as least. Sony has cancelled playstation event and not attending e3. They have announced their games for 2019 such as last of us 2, tsushima , and dreams. No new announcements of games past 2019. Sony isn't going to go into 2020 with no new announcements to lose momentum of the ps4. Clearly they will announce the ps5 in 2019 and release 2020. Microsoft is really a toss up? They could follow along Sony with release 2020 but due to Xbox one x releasing not that long ago maybe they will hold out for another year. Or they will not care what Sony is doing at all with Phil saying sony isn't their primary competition but with Google, Amazon and other cloud computing companies. Maybe there will be intermittent consoles that release every 2 to 3 years just as they are now with Xbox one, s, and now x.
It's not happening this year. There are still game releases we don't have from Xbox and Sony. They aren't going to overshadow game releases for this year by announcing a new console. Doesn't make any sense.
Lol you’ll be lucky to see anything this year. Personally happy with current tech what’s the rush. Such a throw away society always thinking about the next big thing.
Didn't Sony pull out of this year's E3? I wouldn't be surprised if Sony host Playstation Experience this year to reveal the PS5.
Here is my prediction. Sony will announce the ps5 this year. Probably won't go to in dept with the specs. I think this will happen just before or just after E3. They will show a few new titles and announce BC and ps5 enhanced patches for the likes of spider man and God of war. Then in late 2019 at PSX they will show more games and a release date and go into more details of the specs.
Unless Sony somehow has snuck a magic booth into the mix and now are planning on attending E3 after they publicly stated they were not planning on being at E3 OR doing any kind of event at that time.... Seems highly unlikely...nay... improbable that PS5 announcement comes at E3.
Good keep em traditional none of that streaming bullsh*t.
I don't know why they have to announce ps5 this year...or at the end of this year only to destroy PS4 holiday sales? I mean who benefits? You know everything you have to know and you are not going to play it this year anyways. It is goin to be a stronger system for 399...or 499...who cares ...bc...Black ...with led stripe...RGB? I mean...Sony is quiet only because every bit of info about ps5 is hurting PS4.
I think Sony is making a costly mistake by releasing a year earlier (or more) than Microsoft. Microsoft is going to have the higher spec console in the next gen by waiting. The PS4 Pro is still doing well against the Xbox One X. There is no reason to release early.
A year head start isn't going to hurt Sony. If anything, it's going to give them a year of more software support. More power isn't as big a factor as some people make it out to be. MS has a software issue, and unless they bring a console which is cheaper, and more powerful, with some really compelling software to drive hardware sales, it doesn't matter if they release before, after, or at the same time as Sony.
We don't know when anything is happening. It's all speculative.
I think 2020 is about right. PS4 released November 2013- PS5 (November 2020) = 7 years Xbox One released November 2013- Xbox (November 2020) = 7 years Usually new consoles release every 6 years with older consoles now lasting 10 years before production ends. Next consoles will focus heavily on native 4K while PC will be native 8K for game development. I do hope console companies learn better compression techniques to reduce storage space because those file sizes are going to be huge. Really do hope there's more effort towards game customization/performance instead of just visuals.
No chance of ps5 till next year at the earliest. PS4 got last of us 2,ghost of Tsushima and days gone coming out this year.
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