In a new short story titled “Bastet,” Blizzard Entertainment confirms that Soldier: 76 (aka Jack Morrison) is the second LGBTQ character in the Overwatch universe.
Their game is dying so they're pandering for headlines.
How come all the "LGBTQ" characters in this multiplayer shooter are white males? Such compelling intersectional backstories for the SJWs I guess.
The forbidden fruit.
Wow my dude, way to label them white. For all we know maybe they identify themselves as a t-1000 green toad gremlin that way blizzard can say they’ve ticked every box. But seriously The way blizzard been going on seems super forced
Isn't tracer gay??
@necrumoddboy you are wrong, tracer is a gay and SHE is not a white male.
Did you just assume their race and gender??
They aren't? Tracer is a lesbian and there's a gay hamster-thing.
How come the heterosexual characters don't have their sexual preference highlighted? How come their sexual preference doesn't matter?
Yeah I don't get the decision behind this It's hard to describe the situation...on one hand LGBT+ characters are not an issue but when you've already said Tracer was suddenly, the agreed with the Tumblr community that even Symmetra was autistic they don't seem fully genuine, just Blizzard making stuff up for the lore as they go along to win brownie points from a strong community. As a member of the LGBT community I just think making Soldier 76 gay was pointless, I probably would understand if he was bisexual or something but being full on gay just seems a little forced. "Oh lets make the tough old macho soldier gay that will appeal to the community and show how progressive we are" Comes across as Blizzard exploiting this kind of stuff to gain rep...I mean if they said he was gay when they first launched the gay I'd understand but they didn't.
Yes, I put this and Symmetra's autism on the same spectrum (pun unintented), in both cases it is utterly arbitrary pandering. It's really quite cynical too, if you think about it - Blizzard's writers are clearly just assigning these labels in a desperate bid to earn 'diversity' brownie-points.
The decision is the people who write for the game are themselves comprised of LGBTQ community members. It's not hard to figure out.
Literally wtf does sexuality even need to be mentioned? Unless the game is going to show kiss/sex scenes, it is not relevant in any way
They want the recognition in their own warped minds. It's like donating to Charity and then taking out an ad in all the newspapers telling everyone that you donated a lot of money to charity. You're right, they're literally forcing diversity just for the sake of it.
When they started with the identity politics i stopped playing. No regrets. Characters where great and innocent and they could be what Others and myslef wanted them to be. Now it's just for the sake of it. Annoying as s***.
I am so over blizzard...
lol, what? The game is far from dying and it's far from pandering when Blizzard didn't even highlight it. The only people highlighting it are journalists.
Winston is actually trans-species. He was once a jaguar.
Its an attempt to steer the attention away from the so called Girl Gamer that was allegedly bullied but turns out it was a guy as his skills werent good enough to be in the team but when he posed as a girl. He got in.
. The person behind the controller was a pro-level player. What you just wrote is as much fiction as was that of the girl gamer.
That's nice but it's time for a new Overwatch.
I agree, I would immediately jump on a new overwatch.
I'm not sure they would do that, it's not like they can update the graphics all that much (due to its sylised fashion), and it would be extremely difficult to capture that lightning-in-a-bottle again, with the interesting and unique character designs (well... the release batch were anyway) and good maps. I think an Overwatch 2 would inevitably be a disappointment.
Or just actually expand on the lore. They advertised this game to their fans as a tf2 spinoff with lore. and what did they give us when it comes to lore..... 5 cinematic shorts and 1 in game even which hardly expand on the lore. I do think OW2 will be announced at some point this year. They hardly made any content for the game last 2 years that the main dev team has to be working on a sequel or another game.
Your aparant advocacy for The Last of Us there doesn't hold much water in your case. Sadly, Naughty Dog have given Neil Druckman too little of leash and he's making Naughty Dog just as political. I'm sick of it all. I don't play games to he preached to, that's what church is for and politics are, I play games to leave all that behind and have fun.
I don't agree with it either in TLoU, doesn't mean I dislike the game
At least in TLoU it ties into a direct narrative
Except tlou actually has this great story with believable characters. The story in overwatch... Um is there a story to overwatch? Not really. Blizzard is just making a character gay just for the sake of having another gay character. Tlou doesn't feel forced at all and understanding that Ellie is a lesbian actually adds to the story and development of her as a character. You cannot compare the two games and their inclusion of gay characters bc they are two wildly different styles of games. I don't get why sexual orientation is even being discussed for overwatch, it literally adds othing of value to the game. And don't talk to me about the short story bastet, it's 12 pages at most, the PDF is 18 pages with entire pages being covered with a quote, or a picture. You can't compare that to tlou.
@TheJig there is no lore in OW, or hardly any, They set up a world (which they did really well actually) and promised to expand upon it, which they havent to this day. Yes they developped some characters backstory but it is still unknown what actually happened to Overwatch, the omnics, the mecha-godzillas etc.
Fortnite stole this game's playerbase.
And now fortnite is beginning to die see a pattern, small attention span and fads, I do.
"Quietly"... no, they are sure to make everyone know that the character's sexuality as if this were something important, they also know that giving importance to this will make sites like kotaku and polygon do stuff about it and give more visibility to the game.
Only people talking about it are journalists, Blizzard otherwise has said nothing other than putting out more story they have written.
Read what Michael Chu wrote on twitter, they wanted to make it explicit with a focus on sexuality as if it were something important, the reaction of journalists is what they want to bring more visibility to the game, if they wished they could have said it much sooner but they keep the information to divulge at specific times to cause controversy, nothing is done in a natural way, it's all forced, the reality is they do not give a shit about diversity, it's all for their own benefit.
This is the only tweet where he talks about it and it's done to answer questions from others on twitter. https://twitter.com/westofh... Absolutely none of that says what you did. None of it.
Identity politics have got to stop, and no you cant fix them by flipping them upside down.
Politics are incredible important, it's time to stop the taboo.
I’m talking about a specific type of politics that are dangerous.
What does this have anything to do with identity politics? It's a video game, not political party affiliation.
Since when do video game characters in a multiplayer only game have sexual preferences?
There's been stories behind MP characters for ages now. L4D characters have their own background. Fighting game characters have fully fleshed out backgrounds. Them having a story tied to them still has absolutely nothing to do with identity politics. If you don't know the meaning of something, don't use it. I think you believe that identity politics means sexual preference or how one identifies themself sexually. Identity politics has nothing to do with that as it's about how one identifies themself along political lines. Either you are ignorant on the meaning of identity politics or you are trying to make something as basic as the background story for one character into a major political stance, which it isn't. No one complains about the character having back stories until one of them turns out to be gay/lesbian.
I'm here to look at all the flustered straight guy comments, sigh more
Dude people would get angry and cry “stop shoving it down our throats!!” at any given possibility. Even if it’s a tiny ass note on concept art released years later they’d still cry about it.
yeah sure they would.
They really are pushing the g*y agenda tho cartoons,games,music,movies,tv shows,and so on
I hope you enjoy yourself Gboy
Gboy? You should leave the closet.
wake me up when there's penis physics in games
"Flustered" I would say confused lol
Oh please, since when did characters in a non story based shooter have sexual preferences?
Instead of attacking those who question why this is important, you actually tell us why this is important? The sexual preference of the heterosexual characters aren't important in this game or extended lore are they? Why are these characters raised up on pedestals for some reason by Blizzard, and the LGBTQ community who feel it necessary to be included? Is it just so you can try and shame others when they question why these inclusions are important in these games when it literally it is a complete non-factor to the characters, the game, the narrative(except maybe extended lore work), and the game play.
It's important because some of the people who write for Blizzard are LGBTQ and want to feel represented in the work that they do.
@christopher I honestly can't get my head around people's obsession with being "represented" by fictional characters based on only their sexuality, race or gender. As if they are the only things that make someone who they are. Why do we stop at those superficial attributes anyway? What about someones height, hair colour, shoe size lol they're just as meaningless to a person's overall identity. People need to stop getting so hung up about the sexuality and gender of the people (often fictional) that they look up to or feel represented by. Sure it doesn't harm anyone directly by having such characters in games but you have to question the intention behind it and whether it is damaging for people to hang their entire identity and self worth on the make believe characters they see in their video games and movies just because of meaningless things like sexuality. It's 2018 and people really don't care what you do in the bedroom 👍
@Chris Which is fine. But the OP seems more intent on shaming others, instead of trying to discuss the topic at hand. His comment offers nothing. When trying to change people's mind on things, attacking their character isn't usually a good way to get them to see your side of things. Bigotry isn't solved by putting people on the defensive, it's solved by getting people to see reason. No matter how much someone may not wish to see reason, the first thing you go to for a discussion shouldn't be that they're bigots, or assuming they are, it should be about bringing an argument of reason. If it gets to a point that the other person can't see your reason, then maybe consider them bigots. Although sometimes the inclusion by any creator is poorly. And while I don't think Blizzard itself made a big deal about it this time, they did with Tracer, so the politics surrounding it seem more about pushing an agenda than just doing it because they believe its just normal for the character. Sadly, the inclusion which is meaningful, or at least done in a way that is good, is included in those instances where it's obviously forced, and there is no denying that some inclusions are for checking boxes or pandering. When this stuff isn't announced as being special, then that's when it won't be a problem anymore. For correlation There are plenty of TV shows which can have all sorts of characters without the director, writer, or producer who make a big deal about it, and the characters are fine because that aspect isn't really part of their character. In some TV shows, there may be stories which focus on it, but the shows don't usually focus in on the topic. Sometimes, after the shows are out for a while, they'll get mention about how they have this stuff and how it's positive, but that isn't the point of the show. At that point, the director, producer, or maybe the actors will discuss it, and sometimes, they may make a bigger deal about it than necessary. Other times, TV shows....especially on certain channels....seem to make these things into a big deal through the media itself. Any number of CW shows for instance. That's when it just becomes eye rolling, because of the way the discussion has progressed, because it becomes so transparent that its done in a way to make a point, instead of build a story. Anyhow, in this case, I think it was just a quiet inclusion into the story, and was just done because the creators wanted that to be part of this character. Blizzard itself didn't make a big deal about it...as the article headline states. I haven't seen the story so I can't comment on it, but when stuff like this happens, but generally speaking both sides of the issue tend to take the extreme. For some, its inflating the issue as being forced, for others its people putting these aspects on a pedestal, or taking the political stance, or worse. Unfortunately, both sides can manage to use shaming tactics, which only diverts from the inclusion discussion which used to be much more civill.
Great argument.... /s Also, well done for ignoring all the women calling out this BS, you misogynist. O wait! I forget. It's not misogynistic when it's women that don't follow the authoritarian left. Carry on.
Haha yes because only straight people can disagree with this 😂 I'm not straight and I certainly don't identify with the "LGBTQH™ community". I'd like all people to be equal and that rules out segregating myself into a group with its own flag where people chose my beliefs for me lol. Its people like you though that are truly discriminatory, assuming people's opinions based on nothing but sexuality haha
What the hell does any of the characters sexual preference have anything to do with the game? They need to stop injecting that shit into games. Knowing the characters sexuality has no bearing on how the characters plays, so why even go there? In fact if the developers never hinted at any of the characters sexuality, LGBTQ or not, then players could project their own imaginations and perceptions on all of the characters. Sexual preference has no place in gaming, unless that is what the game is meant to be about. I don't need to know if Nathan Drake or Laura Croft is straight or gay in order to enjoy the games they star in. It doesn't have any effect on how the games play and is an unnecessary label.
Well in case of Tomb Raider I think they had a missed opportunity with SAM, the writer of the reboot said she wanted to make Lara a Lesbian and Sam was the perfect match, the trilogy that just ended could have had a love story ending in tragedy, I was just thinking that yesterday... After Sam got half possessed with a goddess she could've went a bit unique and Trinity could use her to make the whole apocalypse thing... Ending in Lara killing her loved one because of Sam's loosing control thanks to Trinity...
Really doubt they'd have done that. They'd have written it so that she could be saved some how. It's a good idea though!
@ninsigma: I think it'd had been a bold move for the game, many would've hated the devs for it, but it was a pretty nice plot point, almost all the great games has a love story one way or another.
I hate how strong women have to be gay for some dumb ass reason. Not in real life of course, just made up characters.
A tragedy spanning 3 games would have been pretty cool agreed. Their writers weren't good enough to pull it off though I think.
Bold move. But a stupid one to make Lara gay. Her character is established as heterosexual, both in the series, and other media. She has shown interest in men. Maybe she's bi, but to my knowledge, there was never any kind of implication of such a thing. That would be the definition of forced inclusion, and IMO, you don't take established characters and force that kind of change for preference or agenda. Lara's relationship with Sam was about friendship, and the added love triangle aspect of it would do nothing to really change the end result, or make it more emotional. The same thing you put forth could have been done with a heterosexual characters, so in the end, it's differentiating a homosexual relationship from a relationship. It's adding a qualifier which is supposed to make it have more of an impact, because there is all this socio-political overhead attached. If a story has to relate to that to achieve an end result, then it's a weak story. they were apparently trying to make Lara into a strong character. A love story detracts from that. A homosexual relationship detracts from that unless it's a core of the character. But Lara's character isn't about her relationships with others....even those that exist within the games. The stories aren't relationship driven, they're character driven, and her sexual preference is completely irrelevant. As far as pulling off a tragic story....they can't do that based on what I've seen. They can't pull off an inspirational one either. Their story is full of tropes, and not really all that deep. There is nothing to suggest that anything you suggest would make it better because I doubt they'd be able to hit the plot points necessary to make it be something more than it was. The new Tomb Raider games were summer popcorn flick level stories. Nothing meaningful, nothing special.
Btw... Uncharted's Nathan Drake has a sexuality tag from the beginning, He's straight to Elena... So you just contradict yourself saying that you don't need to know it. They made it that way because it adds drama in to the picture and they used it very well, all the games centers on Nate's getting in dangerous situation and Elena worrying about him.
I didn't contradict anything. Did it have to be a romantic connection in order for Elena to worry about Nate? No. It could have been totally platonic and the story would have been the same.
Not really... it's different being a platonic and worry about someone, the fact is that we always knows when a character is straight. It should be NO DIFFERENT or NOT IMPACTFUL to know that there are other sexualities in games, it should be as normal as the straight characters in gaming, but everyone is always complaining about being "forced" it may be or not, buy we shouldn't even notice it. It's just a deeper understanding in a character made for us to play, that's it. They're just giving us a bit of context in their stories.
@Gridknac What are you talking about? Elena and Drakes relationship is a huge part of the story. Uncharted 4 is about Drake leaving his life and marriage behind to go on another treasure hunt. Lying to his wife is the cause for a lot of drama. It would be an entirely different game without it. But I'm not surprised that the people who don't want politics in games only enjoy stuff on the most surface level
Sully worried too. It was the relationship in general that was important, not the sexual preference or type of relationship invoked through it's telling. In the hypothesized story you put above, it could have worked as a homosexual, or heterosexual relationship...outside the love triangle thing. But that would be a minor adjustment to the climax. The emotion derived from the story is about how the story is built. Look at The Last of Us. The game is a father/child type relationship. It derives it's meaning from that. TellTales, The Walking Dead, was similar, and the impact of the end was how it affected Clementine, and thus the readers because of their connection to her by the end. In the case of TR, if this had been a lesbian relationship, there is nothing in that relationship dynamic which makes it more meaningful because she's a lesbian. Making her a lesbian would have been a choice of the creators. A bad one, because the character is established, and it comes across as identity politics. That kind of thing nowadays would actually detract from any meaningful story they may have come up with....like it usually does when sexual preference takes a spot light in the overall narrative.
It's a comic meant to fill in more back story about the character. Overall, I agree that in a multiplayer game none of this matters much, so little in fact you can enjoy the game without seeing them at all. I disagree entirely that sexuality should play no role in a games story. Part of the fun of Uncharted 2 was the Elena, Chloe love triangle. It really would have been as impactful? Really? Your insecurity is showing.