Does VR have its killer app? Absolutely, and it's called PlayStation VR.
That statement doesn't make sense. I get that you like PSVR, and that's understandable considering the great games available for it. But killer apps are software (games), not hardware. The killer app is what makes purchasing the hardware worth it. So going by your own article, the killer apps are the five games you mention rather than PSVR itself. Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not downplaying PSVR in any way. I just don't think the statement makes sense, nor does it accurately reflect what the article is really about.
I get what you're saying. Killer app can also mean an irresistible tech product, which is how the article header is using the phrase. https://www.yourdictionary....
That definition may seem like it *could* count hardware, but that's the only definition I could find that is so vague. Every other definition for killer app is clear that hardware itself is not a killer app. Merriam Webster: "a computer application of such great value or popularity that it assures the success of the technology with which it is associated broadly : a feature or component that in itself makes something worth having or using" Oxford: "A feature, function, or application of a new technology or product which is presented as virtually indispensable or much superior to rival products." Wikipedia: "In marketing terminology, a killer application (commonly shortened to killer app) is any computer program that is so necessary or desirable that it proves the core value of some larger technology, such as computer hardware, a gaming console, software, a programming language, a software platform, or an operating system." Techopedia: "A killer application, or killer app, is a new software application used to attract consumers and motivate new hardware device purchases."
We can debate this all day long. How do you explain Bloomberg calling Chess a "killer app"? https://www.bloomberg.com/o... Why does EE Times call "wearables" killer apps? https://www.eetimes.com/aut... Why does Spectrum refer to mass market robots as "killer app"?" https://spectrum.ieee.org/a... The answer is "killer app" can be used to define a product so tempting the mass markets wants to buy it.
Did you read through those? They've all backed up my point. The chess article talks about chess being the killer app of online viewing/consumption, not really the game itself. The wearables article talks about features and software that can make wearables more useful and desirable, not the wearable itself. The robot piece talks about finding features (programming/software) and such that make robots indispensable. Those all follow the definitions I gave you.
No desire to continue arguing semantics. You're right, I'm wrong!
Paul, your use of the phrase is not really applicable to the context of how it is predominantly used in society. would it be that much of an issue to simply rename your piece to something more appropriate? Like... "VR has been making strides to be taken seriously, all thanks to the Playstation VR." (or something to that effect) As it is... a "killer app" for VR would be something like astro-bot as well as tetris effect. Those are good examples of killer apps for the VR market. also, on a side note, you write reviews for walmart and bestbuy... that must be cool.
I see PorkChop's point: "killer app" is short for "killer application". Hardware can't really be an application, but I think PSVR is *technically* allowed to be called one. An application requires hardware to be... applied to. By that logic, to use PSVR, you need a PS4, which does meet criterion for an application if you frame it that way. Granted, it is an accessory, but by virtue of needing a platform to apply an application to, it's an application.
"No desire to continue arguing semantics." It's not semantics. You're using the term incorrectly, in a way that doesn't make sense and doesn't line up with the actual definition. And your links that you provided even prove that. That's not semantics, you're just wrong. Sorry to sound like a dick but it's just that simple.
It really is semantics, i get what you mean. PSVR is it's own killer app in a sense. Maybe one absolute killer didn't release on the system (i beg to differ), but this year alone saw a wealth of must-have games. Notable PSVR releases in 2018 Astro Bot - 90 meta Tetris Effect - 89 and multiple GotYs Firewall - people went wild over this, check Reddit. R6 Siege in VR, without the Ubisoft. Moss - critical acclaim and commercial success. A great platformer. Beat Saber - a game that went "viral". 23 year old streamers with beanies, girls who think they are hip, and even grandmas loved this game. It is very enjoyable though, and it has the reviews to back it. The Persistence - excellent rogue-lite FPS with AAA-is looking production. Creed - quality boxing game based on the Creed (Rocky) license Zone of the Enders - the classic Kojima game transformed in VR
Also in 2018 Borderlands 2 VR Pixel Ripped Sprint Vector
PSVR is not an "app" though. Even in that dictionary link it uses software as an example. Hardware drives the application/software and PSVR is the hardware. That aside though, you're right PSVR is the VR hardware that has the potential to make it take off and comes at an affordable price that makes it a far more obtainable product for the masses.
The app is the application that justifies the product, or makes it irresistible. PSTV, on its own, can't be an application without the software that runs on it, so the platform itself isn't the killer app in your equation. If you want to combine both software and hardware to make PSTV the killer app for justifying VR, then that makes more sense, but the way you have it phrased in the headline makes me not really care too much to look further into if you make that distinction. You're seeming lack of trying to accept that you used the term improperly makes me less inclined to care about your opinion on the topic. Sure, maybe you can go around saying that I am being presumptuous, but I'm not here writing headlines in a way that don't match up with generally acceptable grammar contexts that we are all accustomed to. That said, PSVR is great, and the platform does have a lot of software which proves that VR is certainly viable and fun.
It's not that hard to see the term "killer app" being used metaphorically here. In stead of VR needing a single supper successful game to blow up as a technology, having a super successful platform can have the same effect. I don't get why that seems to bother you so much, people purposely misuse words to imply meaning all the time.
Playstation VR is in no way an app. It doesn't meet the criterria of being an application. Playstation is a physical, tanglible electroinc product. Products as PSVR can have software applications or other applications, but that doesn't make the product an app. Applications are software that benefits the hardware. It's very easy to understand. End of debate.
Is it the psVR an irresistible product?
I agree with porkChop. I actually expected the argument to go in a different direction based on the headline. I thought it was going to be about how the experience of being in VR is more the appeal for this piece of tech than any blockbuster game. Take Borderlands VR for example. I wouldn't necessarily object to reviews of a 6/10 or 7/10 depending on the metrics used to score it, but I'm having an absolute blast playing it (despite already platinuming the original) and would definitely recommend it, because of the VR. The best way I can describe it is that art sometimes transcends the sum of its parts to provide a magical experience. VR is good for bringing out that magic. That said, it does seem the article would be better served just calling those games its killer apps or at least arguing that there are enough good games there that it doesn't need one killer app.
That definition is wrong. "App" is a software term.
Well regardless of whether the author can/cant call the headset a “killer app” for VR, which makes sense in that context even though author is playing loose with the term “killer app”, PSVR does INDEED have its “killer app” in a number of titles. So its kind if a moot point to be arguing over whether the term should or shouldnt be used like this. I believe what the author means is that just as a software “killer app” pushes a games console into homes, the PSVR has pushed Virtual Reality into homes. It makes sense to me. The fact that he is playing loose with the term is a given. If we nitpick on this issue we might as well nitpick on half of titles used on any of trillions of articles published around the world. After all this is a very common technique in articles of any type.
@porkchop, no need to get all technical with the headline bro... The point was clear as glass and I instantly understood what he meant... VR wouldnt have been this successful if it weren't for the psvr sales. Very enjoyable, affordable and able to reach more people that are interested in VR that can't afford an expensive gaming pc+ VR set itself.
I get it I have a psvr I love it but without games well there's no point to it
There are many other applications than just gaming. Gaming is the gateway to those, though.
@porkChop What is amusing is that you also through a fit in another article that said that PSVR was the must-own console of 2019. Basically, in your view one cannot praise PSVR as a piece of hardware nor can one praise it as a piece of software. Given your comment history, it isn't really surprising to see you downplaying something that Sony makes. Try as you might, you cannot change the fact that PSVR is the thing that is driving VR forward these days. The best VR experiences of 2018 were on PSVR. If you don't want to call PSVR the killer app for VR, what would you call it that accurately defines its success and importance to VR?
Maybe because PSVR is not a "console" but an accessory that requires a console to be used...? I dont see him dismissing PSVR but just simply trying to help others keep it in the proper context. It is neither a console nor an app but I see it as a must own accessory that has some killer apps. Does that make better sense?
I don't have any issue with someone praising PSVR as a piece of hardware. But hardware and console are not the same thing. PSVR is not a console. That's just a fact. It's a companion device for the PS4. I'm not saying PSVR isn't good, nor am I downplaying the system in any way. Many great games are available for the system. But facts are facts. "If you don't want to call PSVR the killer app for VR, what would you call it that accurately defines its success and importance to VR?" It's the VR market leader. That's what I would call it. It's an affordable VR headset that provides access to many fun experiences. It doesn't need some title that doesn't make any sense. It just needs to be good, which it clearly is. TLDR: PSVR is hardware. PSVR is good. PSVR is not a console. PSVR is not software or a killer app.
@darthv72 The thing is that porkChop only wanted it called an accessory in order to destroy the premise that PSVR was the must-own item of 2019. He wasn't offering any better titles for the article but instead was trying to disprove the whole concept. He could of easily offered to correct it by saying a more accurate title was "the PS4 is the must have console of 2019 and that is because of PSVR." Here is a sampling of porkChop past comments https://n4g.com/news/217945... https://n4g.com/news/219699... https://n4g.com/news/222861... "I'm assuming some of those are PSVR games because I haven't heard of them before" says the person who is usually the first one to comment on PSVR...
"to destroy the premise that PSVR was the must-own item of 2019" I never said it wasn't a must-own item. I said it wasn't a console. It isn't. You're trying to twist my words and claim things that just aren't true. That's a clear indication that you don't have any real argument here. "He wasn't offering any better titles for the article but instead was trying to disprove the whole concept." I don't have to offer a better title. That's the job of the writer. I didn't disprove anything. The terminology used was just wrong. If they had called it the best device, or best VR headset, etc., I wouldn't have really cared. But they called it a console which isn't true or accurate.
"That's the job of the writer. I didn't disprove anything. The terminology used was just wrong. If they had called it the best device, or best VR headset, etc., I wouldn't have really cared. But they called it a console which isn't true or accurate." The thing is that the actual title of the article was "PlayStation VR is a Must-Own Platform for 2019" but since you never read it you just complained about the title used on n4g. Only someone who would want to downplay something would lump the PSVR into the same category as screen protectors and carrying cases. All VR systems require another device to run yet nobody refers to Rift and Vive as accessories. People don't call VHS, DVD, and Blu-Ray players accessories or companion devices because they require a TV. Yet for some reason, the PSVR with its own processor unit and catalogue of games is merely an accessory to you.
Incorrect. The headline of that article originally said console. It was changed after publication. The first line was also changed to say platform. There are still remnants of the first version there though: "However, it seems like no one has noticed that PSVR has quietly had a critically dominating year and is now a must-own console." You would have seen that if YOU had actually read the article. That's in the first paragraph. Blu Rays, DVD players and such actually power the content. That's the difference. PSVR games run on the PS4. The processing unit is just there to handle the lens warping and other VR effects. The content itself is powered by and played by the PS4. PSVR is not the same as a console or a Blu Ray player, it cannot function on its own. I don't lump the PSVR in with screen protectors or anything like that. That's not what I meant when I referred to it as an accessory. I meant that as an add-on accessory like PS Move, Kinect, PS Eye, etc., which each have their own games. A lot of people misunderstood that, which is why I don't call it that anymore. As far as Vive and Oculus goes, they're not consoles either and no one refers to them as such. They are absolutely companion devices. Any piece of hardware that relies on a parent device to function is a companion device. The parent device would be your PC in that instance. If you don't like that word, fine, call them something else. Just don't call them consoles because they aren't.
I read the article just fine which is why I understand the point the author was making and the context he was using in saying that the PSVR is a console. He talked about all the things that XBox, Playstation, and Nintendo Switch were doing that made them great consoles to buy and then transitioned into why PSVR is also a great console to buy and the merits that backed that claim up. He could of easily said that the PS4 was the must-own console of 2019 and then explain how PSVR makes that so, but he didn't. The article looked specifically at PSVR and its games and judged them like one would do with a video game console. He could of substituted "console" with "platform" and nothing would of changed in the article which shows how shallow your point is. You though are always looking to downplay anything positive about PSVR and will happily argue semantics to try to disprove an article. You don't care about the content of the articles which is why you never comment on the points made in them but only care about attacking the premise by going after the language used.
SEMANTICS....god don’t all you guys have anything better to do than argue over the meaning here. I came to the comments looking for an interesting discussion about VR....people are so ridiculous sometimes
No one cares about whether you do or don’t have an issue porkchop. Jeez I could lay down an argument but I don’t have the time so maybe you should move on and talk about the article and not the damn titles meaning
Gaming has it's killer app. It's called the PS4(or replace your preferred console....not trying to start anything). Hope that clears things up.
Isnt psvr a ps4 killer app? By your definition?
No, but I understand where your coming from. It's a great companion to the PS4, but killer apps are software and features that make the product desirable and worth having. In that instance the killer apps would still be the games themselves. PSVR is certainly a reason to own a PS4, but it's not an application, feature, or software. It's a hardware device.
I agree. It is a terrible title. A lot of sites posting on n4g have a bad habit of creating titles that really don't make sense. "So, back to Cliff's question. Does VR have its killer app? Absolutely, and it's called PlayStation VR." No....that absolutely does not answer the question. The body of the article lists several real apps that actually attempt to, but the conclusion just doesn't make any sense.
The headline is a product of an argument that doesn't follow the thesis. At least it's not deliberately bad or misleading. It seems like the author's argument evolved as they wrote the article to the point that it didn't match the original premise. The easy fix would have been to go back and edit the thesis to match the argument and its conclusion. A writer doesn't have to be married to their thesis. Just some constructive feedback in case they're reading.
Its not the hardware alone which makes it the "Killer App". It simplicity is what makes it different. And how it is integrated without big effort. You can play all games without the need of having to reconfigure all kinda things. It just works.
Your comment is clearly written, and impeccably presented. People can be idiots on this site. Agree with you completely - killer app is a reference it software. The title was nonsensical.
You didn’t really think this one through did you...
When did that happen several months after the fact that whether VR sank or swam in the mainstream market, it was going to be PSVR? Accessibility and implementation is always going to win out over bleeding edge tech and raw power.
I wish everyone could experience Astrobot, Resi Evil in VR and Firewall amongst others. Really is a console gamechanger and so immersive and fun. Ps5 VR is going to be bonkers. I also look forward to the competitive future of VR when Microsoft gets in.
Might be a while for MS: https://www.gamerevolution....
I think is not worth the money and the time yet but after 5G Tech we will talk about something very different. So maybe in two or four years and won't need the console....will stream the games.
I refuse to buy any more Forza games until they are in VR. Non VR racing games might as well not exist to me.
I'd agree with that I've been playing a lot of driveclub in VR with a mate and I've loved it but normally I have no interest in racing Games
MS will be waiting until Sony prove that vr is viable. Then they'll hop on the bandwagon and tell us they do it best.
I love PSVR and I am so happy Sony are invested in it (unlike the Vita). The only grip I have with it is the Move controllers. Sure they "work" but are no where near as good as the VIVE or Rift or even the WMR controllers.
Im surecthe ps5 reveal will also reveal new controllers
A little after the PS5 I think. But yes. And I can’t wait.
moves are definately the psvr weak spot. hopefully they overhaul them for next gen
I haven’t heard anyone even mention PSVR...where are the demos
I haven’t heard anyone mention the best selling VR Platform....where are the demos 😂
You should play a little outside your comfort zone. Firewall will blow your socks off.
That's a pretty odd statement to make, considering PSVR alone arguably had the best 2018 exclusives lineup aside from the non VR PS4 lineup. You're also pretty active on this site and not some casual. So yeah, pretty odd statement indeed.
You haven't heard anyone mention PSVR because you are deaf. Also probably blind, since the PS Store has quite a few demos on it including both PSVR Demo discs. You should see a doctor and get properly diagnosed for you infirmities. I hear this guy is pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Basically regardless of spec the PSVR has the best games. And is flying the flag for VR as a medium. I think that’s what the title of this article is getting at yes.
Wait till dreams comes out, incredible
Can't wait to see what Sony will do on the PS5 with VR.
That's if they bring it to the next platform, much less continue to develop it. Regardless of article title, Sony could drop it faster than MS did Kinect. Far faster.
True, they can drop any moment. We will see.
@HentaiElmo: The point is that while PSVR might be the most popular VR format, VR itself may not be viably popular. And while Sony might - is - better when delivering on their word,online articles about concepts does't mean that they're going to be made real. Then again there's really only been positive news regarding PSVR, so its all a wait and see for the PS5 announcement...which in Japan will very likely use "Playstation-GO!!" in their advertising. (And now I want Speed Racer/Mach-5 references in both JP and US commercials.)
There is no way they would drop VR. It’s been the best thing separating this generation from the previous. VR is only getting bigger from here on out as the games are showing. All I know is that I will never look at FPS the same after playing Firewall. VR is the most exciting thing in gaming. Dont compare it to milo please, this thing actually works, and it’s amazing.
yeah but MS was still pushing kinect at thr start of then gen, when everyone else, including xbox fans, was telling them to drop it.
@Godmars VR is a medium that many people need to experience for themselves to "get". And has to be VR done right, not a half baked mobile experience. so it will grow slowly but steadily as people get to experience the thing that makes it "click" for them.
I'm 100% sure current PSVR will be compatible with PS5. And there will be new controllers with version 2.0. They are just waiting for next gen.
That's not an app it's a platform and it is actually less "killer" than higher quality PC options.
True on both points but I think that PSVR sold the most headsets if I'm not mistaken, hence it is the most popular VR headset and I think that is the point of this adticle. But I do agree with you.
No higher quality PC game can touch Tetris Effect or Astro Bot