Battlefield V Is Having a Really Rough First Few Weeks

Ed M writes: This wasn't the start for Battlefield V that EA & DICE likely drew up. They have had to fend of controversy and reports of low sales.

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

Maybe EA should give DICE the time they need to actually finish their games instead of forcing them to milk their properties until they're driven into the ground.

Battlefield isn't FIFA. Big changes are needed between iterations. Even Activision gives their COD teams 3 years to make a game. DICE have made at least 1 game every year since 2015. It's taking its toll on them. They had more time to develop BF1 than BFV and it shows.

[elazz]

Well to be fair the call of duty teams should be able to do far more with the franchise with the given time but Activision probably doesn't give too big budgets on development side.

Dice however is working on different franchises at the same time and you have a lot of other studios that are part of the development for different parts but I don't think that was the case for BFV. Anyway both these companies should change but will they really?... Maybe if they really lose all sales for a few years that something in their heads might spark.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

COD does not have a big budget? LOL at people saying shit while being clueless and un-informed.

[WANNAGETHIGH]

Perhaps people have finally accepted the fact that COD is better. My friend who was never really into both picked up COD over BF and he has never looked back. I keep saying it not everyone enjoys the large maps and over the top vehiclaur combact. I mean you get snipped from miles away all the time(I know snipers in this thread looking at me like a noob. Lol). But people just prefer close quarter action COD offeres, Black Ops 4 is fantastic fun and addictive, snipers are not a pain because most of the time your assault rifle can kill them when they miss there first quick scope shot. And it’s more grounded , 6v6 TDM never gets old. Fast paced and in your face. Just my thought tho, BF tries to do too much. COD keeps it simple.

[AnubisG]

The focus of the two games is completely different. Cod is a twitch shooter where you run around like a headless chicken and shoot at everything that moves. BF used to be a tactical battle simulator where you had to think and if you worked together, you could win. They are both shooters but wastly different. Simply put, one could be called an arcade game and the other a simulator. i always prefered BF over CoD myself.

[CorndogBurglar]

You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between fact and opinion. This is not okay because they teach that in like 2nd grade.

You said, "Perhaps people have finally accepted the fact that COD is better".

You see, this is not a fact. COD being "better" is an opinion. Even if COD sells more it just means more people bought it, or like it more. But BF has always sold very well also. This is the first time the series has struggled like this and that is completely understandable considering all of the contraversy around the game before launch.

Some people prefer the smaller maps and close up fighting of COD. Some people prefer the more tactical approach of BF. It's that simple. It doesn't make one better than the other.

Do we understand how facts and opinions work now?

[Smitty2020]

Bf is a more realistic shooter compared too cod bf requires more skill

[Sirk7x]

Battlefield is for people that enjoy the large maps, high player counts and objective play. Problem is that it hasn't been good since Battlefield 4. That's still a great game and there aren't many shooter experiences like it. Also, the market is so inundated with great shooters. I still play Overwatch, Halo MCC and Battlefield 4 end enjoy them. Where's the time to add something else into rotation on top of single player games? Time and money available are factors. I'm working 60 hours a week. Getting too old for this s#*t.

[AnubisG]

Yes but DICE should also get off the SJW bandwagon as well.

[lawgone]

But the Nazi's were a very diverse and inclusive people! Oh wait, we can't say Nazi, facts could offend someone.

[Dom_Estos]

Serves them right. That's what they get for handing the keys over to EA, so no sympathy for them. Only a matter of time now before we see some kind of split and DICE employees go off to form their own studio.

[BlackOni]

DICE as a whole is making a game every year, but they have several studios. While it would be nice if all studios were working on one game together, it's a big company, and so they afforded themselves the flexibility of multiple studios working on different projects.

That said, they needed more time before this was out and ready. The PR plunders, specifically from EA CEO haven't helped either

[-Foxtrot]

Maybe Dice will stop showing in political agendas by trying to rewrite history.

The Norway level, changing the real life Norwegian commandos and their story to a single woman who managed to do it with ease is so disrespectful

[Jimmioj]

Perhaps the best would have been something in the middle of pushing DICE to fast, and the COD teams not getting enough done. Maybe give DICE 2 years, but keep pushing them as much as they do currently?

[sawoosevens]

EA could burn down for all I care they were a driving force in gaming a few years ago and now they are worst than herpes to the gaming industry.

[moomoo319]

Reap what you sow D.I.C.E

[Servbot41]

They told me not to buy it, so I didn't.

[AK91]

They brought this on themselves.

[V3geta]

On one hand EA is not giving DICE enough time to work on their games while on the other DICE is saying stupid things like "don't buy our games". Disrespecting your customers on top of putting out a bad product are the worst 2 things to mix together.

[Yi-Long]

They're not disrespecting their customers though.

They have a creative vision, they make a game, and when you as a consumer don't like the creative choices they have made for that game, then you shouldn't buy their product. That's what they said. Which is the same thing every actor, director, musician, painter, writer, whatever would say.

It's very simple: They're creating a shooter that has options for you as a player to create and customise your own character/avatar. Which is something many gamers have asked for over the years.

They did that, and now there's a portion of gamers who feel somehow (!) upset about that.

I have to agree with EA & DICE on this one.

[Dragonscale]

Seems their 'creative vision' was a bit too woke for some. Sorry but ea and dice deserve this, totally self inflicted.

[DaCajun]

I can deal with their creative vision that doesn't bother me one bit but it is very DISRESPECTFUL to the people who bought Battlefield V day one then give a 50% discount less than 2 weeks after launch. It just goes to show you if you support EA they will screw you over again and again and again. They don't care about their loyal fans and customers.

Feel free to blindly support a company who keeps proving over and over they could care less about their customers and will continue to screw them over to just to make a quick buck.

[Yi-Long]

@DaCajun; I kinda agree with you on that one, but on the other hand, if you bought the game day 1, you also want full servers and plenty of people to play against. And also, it's the holiday season, so sales are to be expected, for almost every new game.

Of course, when you paid full price on Day 1 it sucks when it's much cheaper within 1-2 weeks. Always.

[V3geta]

I'm not saying they should change their vision for anyone, just that they should be more diplomatic with how they respond to criticism. Something like "we understand that this isn't for everyone but we hope people will give it a fair chance" or anything along those lines would've been a lot better to say than "Don't buy it".

[InTheZoneAC]

They've disrespected long time customers, retired vets, and what our flag stands for (does not mean freedom to be ignorant and push ignorant agendas)

[kreate]

What option?

[Strafe]

'and what our flag stands for'

I'm sure they took liberties with what other people did in the war apart from the US, but ok. Some Americans really live in a bubble.

[-Foxtrot]

So you think changing historical stories, like the Norwegian commandos is fine because of their "creative vision" despite saying they want to tell the "untold stories" of the war.

So they changed the story to a single female lead and ignored the real story because of what? Even though it's a huge historical story...I don't get it. They can't say they want to tell untold stories and then do that shit.

At the end of the day it's not only disrespecting their customers, it's disrespecting history aswell.

The Norwegian commandos managed to complete their mission without firing a single shot...that could have been a great, solo, once in the game stealth only mission.

[No Way]

Just goes to show, too, that gamers really don't want diversity - or for developers to take chances - they want everything to be, and stay, the same.

[lawgone]

When your customers remind you that you're making a game you are marketing as being a WWII game and that blue face painted women with cybernetic arms did not have any role in the war and their reply is "then don't buy it" you are disrespecting your customers. Look, if they want to make a WWII game with an alternate history then market it as such. If they want to make it a fantasy game then market it as such. But don't say it focuses on the most studied war in history and then make changes to it just to appear progressive. It points out the pure stupidity behind the progressive/SJW movement. I LOVE WWII games but every time I see that cover I realize it's not a WWII game. WWII with no Nazi's and women leading the way? Give me a break.

[EazyC]

Absolutely, it really can't be stressed enough that this is a factor of two.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

They are saying if you are a bigot don;t buy their games....lol at this point. You must be a racist, sexist bigot then?

[battlegrog]

well it might be a stupid comment i think this PC generation needs to stop which is finally being pushed back. They should be able to say that and then you can just not buy and but i dont think its disrespecting its fans. The industry is full of this shit from this generation of constant un finished games

[DrumBeat]

This game wasn't given enough time. That's clear. It's so goddamned uninspired. Forget all the SWJ nonsense they threw in. I could overlook that if the game were great. It isn't. That coupled with insulting your fans is a recipe for disaster.

Give your games ample time, and LISTEN to the PEOPLE THAT BUY YOUR PRODUCT. It goes a long way. Trust me.

[DafunkyRebel]

Should’ve just delayed and then finish building the game first before releasing an incomplete product

[TheColbertinator]

Would have been fine waiting for a March release. Honestly EA is so full of trash.

[KillZallthebeast]

I wouldn't call it good, but it at the very least is amusing to watch all these high profile companies launching high profile games squirm while gamers rightfully make them struggle for shotty work. I don't want the industry to crash, but I hope this wakes them up.

[sawoosevens]

But this is a prime time a big crash that would be quiet entertaining we need one those games are going into a very weird and strange direction.

[KillZallthebeast]

Nah a true crash would cost a lot of innocent people their jobs. However them later landing in a good company later on isn't the worst outcome

[sawoosevens]

I wish to agree but I feel everyone need a wake-up call.

[KillZallthebeast]

Perhaps but some work slave wages

[BigTrain]

I agree with both of you but more so with sawoosevens. A crash unfortunately would hurt the little guy but the little guy on the consumer end is now being hurt with the path the industry is looking to take. Its definitely time for a wake up call. Younger gamers are buying into money draining gaming models while older gamers are cringing. For me personally, it's good to see BFV struggling. Companies are so beholden to shareholders today that they take the actual consumer for granted.

[Strafe]

'Perhaps but some work slave wages '

No, they don't. Some kids working in God awful factories around the world work 'slave wages' but programmers don't. They may be overworked, but there's a difference between overworked and underpaid.

[Hairy Chewie]

I've played every BF and the marketing for this really turned me off. I was ready for a great WWII BF game, but the weird equality agenda in a historically based game doesn't make sense to me. Are we trying to re-write history?

I'm sure theres plenty of incredible stories that weren't just some white guy doing something heroic (ie women/different ethnicities), so show us them. Why they had to make up stories for single player is beyond me. Theres so many crazy/incredible true WWII events to pick from.

I heard the gameplay was great, so I just picked it up for half off, and it really is. It's just disappointing to be standing in in such a detailed maps but not feeling very connected to it because they aren't the ones we've seen in tv, movies and other games. Hearing female soldiers yelling and screaming every 30 seconds kills the immersion too. Such a shame really good gameplay has such poor presentation. At least buying it half off I feel like I got my money's worth for the 70% of a game EA launched.

[Inzo]

"I might be taking crazy pills, but I’m actually starting to believe that at least part of the reason for the low sales might be because of that controversy."

Yes it is part of the reason but there are many other parts too like Soderland calling gamers uneducated or the censorship of certain words or "dont like it, dont buy it" or Trevor Noah.

Let this be a lesson to all devs, BF5 is a watershed moment in gaming because you are not too big to fail and if you piss gamers off you are going to lose.

I think BioWare, who really needs a win must be feeling very very nervous about Anthem right now.

[sawoosevens]

Bioware is one dev I would like to see win, but as long as EA is behind any game people should be worried.

[Speak_da_Truth]

Go to the Anthem game awards trailer on Playstation's Youtube channel and see what ppl are saying about Anthem. Spoiler Alert! Bioware should definitely be worried.

[sawoosevens]

I'm glad to see that more gamers are catching on its crazy that you have to pay extra 20 to play early lol funny thing is if a game is actually good I always easily pay 80 to get EA does all the wrong instead of the right things to make money if they stay on course they may not survive.

[FPS_D3TH]

And yet take a stroll to the games reddit page and everyone that hasn’t bought into the marketing bs is having a fun time with the game. Shame EAs tainted the series so much for so many

[JEECE]

Yeah it's funny how many people you still see complaining about the face painting, prosthetic arms, and generally terrible steampunk vibe of that first trailer, when none of that is actually in the game (or if it is, it's unnoticeable). The sad thing is that DICE seems to have listened to complaints and made changes, but instead of emphasizing that, they've just critcized their audience. It's one of the strangest cases of a great product being severely handicapped by it's handling.

[Thunder_G0d_Bane]

They should have gone back to modern battlefield. World war theme is done to death at this point as cod also did ww2.

[JEECE]

So two games (BF1 and COD:WW2) did the World War theme (which is two different eras) "to death," but four Modern BF games-Bad Company, Bad Company 2, BF3, BF4-and countless modern cod games (I haven't bought a COD since four, but several more were modern combat after that one) didn't overdo the modern era? I'd agree that WW2 was overdone in the early 2000s, but recently we've had far more modern combat games.

[FPS_D3TH]

Modern combat is sterile, boring and too reliant on technology. Give me the chaos of WW2 with its skill based weaponry and brutal warfare any day of the week. Battlefields home is in WW2.

[bellome]

This game is getting more attention than it deserves.

[1nsomniac]

To be honest I love the game but I just haven’t got the time to play it these days. With the way things are in the UK we have to fight for our time because our government and corporations are working us to the bone. Minimally increasing wages while majorly increasing all of our bills.

I get paid a fairly above average salary and own 250,000k house and I’m still struggling having to work 60 hour weeks in order to get by. I don’t know how people can even live on lower salaries that are becoming more and more common. I’m scared for what my daughter will have to go through now that our TV adverts are now physically selling us time I.e AvailableCar etc.

Soon we won’t have any spare time to do anything. Wonder how the gaming industry will take that as the UK is one of the biggest in the industry.

[BigTrain]

What you are describing is happening all over the world. I live in Los Angeles, California. It was already an expensive place to live and now that we have acquired 3 football teams it has now become unaffordable. The politicians gave numerous speeches on how the sports teams would be extremely beneficial for the city but never told the actual effects that would take place on the lower wage worker. Rent on average was 1200 a month for a 2 bedroom and its now 2200 for a 2 bedroom and 1600 for a 1 bedroom. People are being wrongfully evicted by greedy landlords who are trying to cash in and capitalize on this trend. The homeless numbers have skyrocketed. Anyway, you are not at all alone and I agree with you, soon enough not many people will be focused on gaming.

[Akarogg]

They will rebel

[Akarogg]

What a random unrelated political comment

[1nsomniac]

Sorry, went off on a bit of a tangent. Gaming has always been a hobby of mine. I've now got such a massive backlog of games and I haven't completed any of them. I've still got Mafia 3, FF15, GOW, Battlefront 2, RDR 2 BF5 to play yet.

BF5 seems to be getting slaughtered but I've played as much as I can recently and it's awesome!

[TheGamez100]

I hardly see any gameplay from streamers/youtubers or anyone talking about the game anywhere lol.

[LEVONZZZ]

They dont deserve better. PC/SJW is their problem. It's becoming more fiction than fact, the story. There were no women on the Battlefield og WW2, and the story is completly off. So go **** yourself Battlefield V.
Telling fans to "**** off if they don't like it"? Well, okay then. I'm one of the fans that don't want the game even if it's free, just because of comments like that.
Black Ops 4 is 1000 times better even though I was a BF fan. Bye BF.

[EazyC]

I want to play a game, not buy a political ideology. We're in this bizarre age now where technology and information are at amazing heights, yet their use is stifled by peoples' self-righteousness, and selfishness/greed (which here is embodied by DICE and EA, respectively).

More development time, more historical authenticity and immersive quality, and BF 5 could have been amazing, a true successor to BF 1942. I just see squandered potential. I hope it's a lesson for them.

[Strafe]

It's amazing how it's all changed in the space of 20 years. When Half Life came out it was a breath of fresh air and everything was about giving the gamer more in the way of Story, graphics, gameplay and AI. Now it's all about making sure people are represented - story, graphics, gameplay and AI go out of the window. We must appease the minority that doesn't even buy the games but harps on about them anyway.

The world is going down the shitter.

[EazyC]

Absolutely, it's all part of 'corporate social responsibility', which in reality is just a sociopathic mantra used by big-business and banks meaning 'try to look like we care, even though we obviously don't'.

Most ironic of all is that it's all wrapped up in the blood-sucking, dehumanist corporate agenda of monolithic companies like EA, Ubisoft and Take Two, who in reality would probably endorse genocide if it would generate them more income.

Then again, we do get diamonds every now and then... Cyberpunk and that Outer Worlds looks fantastic, so that's enough of me being a miserable git!

[MarkSilva1]

I was told to not buy it by EA

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

BFV launch is obviously getting way less engagement from players than BF1. When BF1 launched it rocketed to the very top of Xbox Live. BFV appears to have reached the top 10-15.

[ShockUltraslash]

Where are all the gays and trans and women? Why arent they playing the game?

You told us to not buy the game. So we are not buying the game. Enjoy selling your game to your new audience.

[FPS_D3TH]

Gay and trans? Wtf were you even watching? How dank and musty is it way down in the depths of moms basement?

[EazyC]

Just dank

[iofhua]

Lol the author of that article is so biased. "People might not like DICE's interpretation of WW2? How absolutely baffling. Why would anyone expect realism in a video game?"

If you aren't going to make your game based on historical events, maybe you shouldn't market it as a WW2 shooter? Maybe? Just maybe???

[Silly gameAr]

I'm sure the dumb way they released it didn't help matters much.

[InTheZoneAC]

Dice is trash now, EA has been trash. No excuses.

[kreate]

Once Genderfield turns into Battlefield, ppl will start buying the game again.

[FernDiggidy]

This is FANTASTIC!!!

[battlegrog]

Welcome to the unfinished game generation

[FITSniper]

Who would think that social justicing the shit out of history would back fire?

[Dom_Estos]

At least COD embraces it's more outlandish tone and narrative direction. What DICE have done with Battlefield these days is nothing short of mind numbingly stupid. They deserve all the shit they're getting.

[Kitt92]

From what I recall I remember due to the mess that battlefield 4 was ata launch ea said they’d give there studios time to make a polished game I see ea continues to be ea

[cfc83]

Are there still full servers on bf4 xb1 ?

[quenomamen]

Haters aside this is one of the better BF games of late. Head & shoulders above BF1. Did they shoot themselves in the foot with the whole light hearted Alternate WW2 direction? Yes but its still a decent game.

[Tankbusta40]

Good DICE and EA are scumbags.

[zachyBROosevelt]

Still a fun game

[william_cade]

Because it's more of the same? They shipped 1/4 of the game for full price? The PR people are a joke? Is anyone surprised? All these companies think they can "fortinite" it all the way to the bank. Even if they made Battlefield 5 free to play, it's no sure thing and when coupled with PR idiots hahahahaha.

[BadElf]

Fire every far leftist lunatic. Make a BF game like you used to.

Done. Simple as that.

[just-joe]

They said don't buy it.

[deno]

This game is SJW all the way.

[r3f1cul]

ive never been insta killed as much in a game without the call of duty name on it before but now even cod has a longer TTK lol :/ and none of these guns really kill faster than the AEK, automatico or m16a3 from past BF games but yet you could feel those guns and it really never felt unfair... i can not say the same for BFV even weaker guns that i have to laser beam headshots for with precise recoil control seem to melt me in milliseconds by players i know can not: A. have that sort of reaction time, B. have that level of accuracy :/ really wish there was a lobby leaderboard type deal where i could see stats of players to prove my guesses correct ... ive use battlelog to check players in past titles but BFV hasnt been added yet and ive always been just about right... its easy to tell a good player and just someone who has connection on their side especially if you've played a good amount of cod as that game will teach you real quick just how crap online gaming can be and BFV feels just like that, most engagements being a complete coin flip on every level :( sad really

[CodeNameTBW2]

they knew what they were doing when they said "dont buy the game" so we gamers made example out of them

[Knightofelemia]

It must be a shitty game if watching the videogame awards on Mixer on the Xbox and your name is automatically entered to win BF V. Got a message today on the XB1 saying I didn't win the a copy I am quite happy I didn't win the game for free. Plus it's EA and I haven't bought a good EA game in years last great EA games I played were Alice Madness Returns, Brutal Legends and the Dead Space franchise.

[DreadGara]

That's a pleasant news, EA should suffer more than that.