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The Order 1886 Deserves a Sequel

Nicholas takes a look at what he considers a flawed masterpiece in The Order 1886 and explains why he thinks Ready at Dawn did a great job and why The Order 1886 deserves a sequel.

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Nyxus77d ago

I think so too. There is a lot of potential in the world and lore they created.

ziggurcat77d ago

There's still a bunch of things in the story that have to be addressed too, but that's because you simply don't blow your wad by revealing everything about the story in the first episode of a series - there'd be no point to making any more if everything was all wrapped up in a pretty little bow at the end of the first one. Some people just didn't seem to understand that.

VenomUK77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

I think it’s more probable that PlayStation will get one than not - but on PS5.

elmachooo77d ago

yes we know. all crappy games deserve a sequel when they are not xbox.

gangsta_red77d ago

"...you simply don't blow your wad by revealing everything about the story in the first episode of a series"

You also don't make a completely nonsensical, plot hole filled, uncompelling, lackluster story in your first episode. Also it would help if your game play and design was actually good.

Some people just didn't seem to understand this either.

UltraNova77d ago

Of course there are loose ends that warrant a sequel. RaD got more than enough feedback from us, now its up to Sony to give the green($) light.

ziggurcat77d ago

Story elements not elaborated upon in the first episode of a series != plot hole. You just proved my point.

gangsta_red77d ago

@ziggurcat

Story elements not elaborated on does not make craft a good story structure.

Example, you can watch the first original Star Wars movie and have a complete story without needing to see the sequels.

The Order doesn't accomplish anything of the sort on any level.

Plot holes means a lot more than just leaving things wide open for a potential sequel. You actually just proved my point.

ziggurcat77d ago

"Story elements not elaborated on does not make craft a good story structure."

It is when it's meant to be told over a series of episodes. You don't craft an episodic story to have it all wrapped up, and explained in the first installment.

"Example, you can watch the first original Star Wars movie and have a complete story without needing to see the sequels."

Because they're standalone stories, not the first episode in a series designed around one, singular story arc.

"The Order doesn't accomplish anything of the sort on any level."

Because you've not understood that the story wasn't meant to be flushed out completely in the first game...

"Plot holes means a lot more than just leaving things wide open for a potential sequel."

It's not a plot hole if it's explained/elaborated upon in a future episode...

"You actually just proved my point."

Was your point an admission that you don't understand how episodic story telling works?

gangsta_red77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

"You don't craft an episodic story to have it all wrapped up, and explained in the first installment."

And you don't leave everything and anything so open ended that nothing is answered or settled and having the person wait for it to be explained even further in a sequel.

"Because they're standalone stories, "

What?? They're standalone movies that are part of a whole trilogy that tell a complete story. They each have plots that expand and are dealt with for each. Hence why they're called Episode 3, Episode 4 and so on. It's the exact type of episodic story telling you just attributed to The Order. Except Star Wars and other movies like it knew how to craft it better and not leave an audience completely baffled or asking too many questions.

"...the story wasn't meant to be flushed out completely in the first game..."

Yeah, you keep saying that, but that's not how good story telling works. You can make a story with intentions of having sequels, but you don't make such an asinine, bare bone story that leaves everything in the wind just for a sequels sake.

"It's not a plot hole if it's explained/elaborated upon in a future episode.."

So..hmmmmm...ziggurcat, just so we're clear these are actually plot holes then since we don't have a sequel correct?

Glad we settled that.

ziggurcat77d ago

"And you don't leave everything and anything so open ended that nothing makes sense and making the person have to wait for anything to be explained or further expanded on in a sequel."

It would make sense if you understood that it wasn't meant to be wrapped up at the end of the first game.

"What?? They're standalone movies that are part of a whole trilogy that have plots that expand and dealt with over each episode. Hence why they're called Episode 3, Episode 4 and so on. It's the exact type of episodic story telling you just attributed to The Order. Except Star Wars and other movies like it knew how to craft it and not leave an audience completely baffled or asking too many questions."

They're standalone stories, not parts of the same story told over a series of episodes.

"ziggurcat, just so we're clear these are actually plot holes then since we don't have a sequel correct?"

No. You're being obtuse again. It just means that the story wasn't allowed to get seen through to the end if a planned sequel is prevented from happening (or if the second episode simply hasn't been made yet), it doesn't mean the unexplained things would then become plot holes.

gangsta_red77d ago

"You're being obtuse again"

No, you're being intentionally ignorant.

You don't craft a bare boned story, with almost everything being opened ended, plot points that go nowhere, drab characters that don't grow and so on and say, it'll be explained for the sequel.

That's not how good stories or any successful story works and it definitely is not an excuse for games, especially a game that has no sequel to even support your idea.

Apocalypse Shadow77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

Zig, I would just move on. He most likely hated all the marvel movies as some of the plots weren't wrapped up until the sequel came out.

He most likely hated what Thanos did in not wrapping it all up in avengers infinity war part 1.

The Order needs a sequel.

ziggurcat77d ago

"No, you're being intentionally ignorant."

Ignorant of what, gangsta?

"You don't craft a bare boned story, with almost everything being opened ended, plot points that go nowhere, drab characters that don't grow and so on and say, it'll be explained for the sequel."

You still don't get it...

Kribwalker77d ago

“Example, you can watch the first original Star Wars movie and have a complete story without needing to see the sequels."

Because they're standalone stories, not the first episode in a series designed around one, singular story arc. ”

I saw this and i literally laughed out loud. The Star wars movies consist of 3 main story arcs, a trilogy of trilogies as George Lucas called it, and each arc has 3 episodes to tell the story. From star wars 4 to star wars 5 is the continued Arc which is finished at the end of episode 6. You are lying to yourself if you believe the star wars movies are not part of a common story arc and i don’t understand how you got 6 people to agree with that.

As to the order, It was a good game, for the $10 i paid for it. I would welcome a sequel, but i’d probably wait till it was $20 before i’d buy it, I would have been disappointed paying more then i did for the first one, so i’m in no rush to buy part 2, unless it gets positive reviews

gangsta_red76d ago

@krib

"You are lying to yourself if you believe the star wars movies are not part of a common story arc and i don’t understand how you got 6 people to agree with that."

💯, that line from him about Star Wars was the hardest SMH I have ever done in my entire life.

It would have been even harder if it wasn't for the other gem of plot holes aren't plot holes when they're explained in sequels....even tho The Order has no sequels to explain anything.

Anyways, no use going on especially when aksed "how am I ignorant"

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SwampthingsSon77d ago

I think Recore deserves a sequel too.

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trouble_bubble77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

Mention ReCore in this thread again plz. My fries need just a little more sodium XD

darthv7277d ago

that's actually funny how that worked out.

darthv7277d ago

I agree. I liked their first attempt at this game and it sets up perfectly for additional chapters (sequels). I don't get the hate for this game. It's not perfect and I dont think it was meant to be. Improvements to its control, game play, story and such are what happens to a follow-up while the first just lays the ground work.

sampsonon77d ago

control issues? RDR2 check.
gameplay? RDR2 check.
Story? RDR2 YAWN!!!! check.

make the sequel please. if other games get a by for their bull this game should as well.

Godmars29077d ago

Only if they don't waste the potential like with the last game.

Christopher76d ago

It has great potential as far as setting and story go, but if it's the same presentation and gameplay, count me out. I'd rather see it moved more in line with a mix of shooter and RPG and definitely way more open of a world. Add in the ability to choose when to be stealthy or guns-a-blazing and it would be even better.

Also, let's not have crap boss battles, eh? Just horribly boring events in the first that didn't aid at all in making all those forced cut scenes worth it.

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Axonometri77d ago

Oh lord you just opened a big can of internet hate on that one... 100% agree with you. lol (shields up)

ziggurcat77d ago

Seeing as how they really intended the game to be a trilogy (or a series of games, at the very least), a sequel would be welcomed by me. It was quite obvious to me that there's supposed to be more to it than the one game based on how it ended.

-Foxtrot77d ago

Course it does, the world is fantastic but I think they should have gone with the original idea they had with the third person being more like what you see in games like Uncharted rather then the over the shoulder perspective like Gears of War. Feels like you'd have more to work with without the character feeling so heavy, not to mention it feels like it makes more sense for them to be able to easily climb onto things with how the Black Water gives them increased strength, senses, and near-immortality. Doing things like that should be a breeze for them.