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Xbox Scarlett - why the next Xbox is going to be huge

Microsoft made some big errors at the start of this console generation, but the platform holder has seemingly learned from its mistakes.

parris1973d ago (Edited 1973d ago )

"Meanwhile, in 2018, changing discs is an archaic concept."

If you say so, I and many other people still like owning games and the majority of gamers still buy physical polls show overwhelmingly that people still want to be able to buy discs. I dare Microsoft to announce that Scarlett will be a digital only console.

"Game Pass is the Netflix of video games."

Ya know except for that other "actual Netflix of gaming" called PSNow that actually has game streaming and downloads for over 700 games.

"It also makes it sound like Xbox is well ahead of PlayStation in the race to bring out its next console."

That's definitely not the impression I get. I hear a lot of rumors that PS5 Dev kit's are in the hands of developers and have been for quite a while. I have also heard that AMD created Navi in partnership with Sony and that Sony many even have some sort of timed exclusivity with the Navi tech.

We can be pretty certain that PS5 is coming before the end of 2020. While I can't see Microsoft ditching the the X in 2019 with only 2 years on the market after all the R&D and manufacturing costs just to beat Sony by a few months. PS5 has dev kits and credible evidence that AMD has already started making the chips where as all I hear is Phil talking when it comes to Scarlett.

The title should be "Xboxx Scarlett - why the next Xbox is going to be huge if we pretend PlayStation 5 won't exist next gen."

DerekTweed1973d ago

I agree with most of your points. It's mostly what I was thinking while reading it.

There is no way the next Xbox could announce the same things as the Xbox One did and get away with it. Always online, no pre-owned games etc.

PSNow is much closer to "the Netfilx of Gaming" than Gamepass. I sub to gamepass but not PSnow but I know which statement is more accurate.

Xbox and PS5 will be released around the same time, Xbox possibly being a little later. That's the impression I get.

343_Guilty_Spark1972d ago

PS Now doesn’t have day 1 exclusives

Srhalo1972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

@343_Guilty_Spark

The difference is PlayStation games are highly rated and sell millions.

Most of Microsoft's day 1 games have been games that were poorly reviewed and stood no chance of selling the numbers that Sony puts down.

Sony is it the much better position, they can sell millions of their games and then put them on PS Now later.

343_Guilty_Spark1972d ago

@SrHalo

You sound like you trying to make a sales pitch. I have an Xbox X and PS4 Pro. Both great in there own right.

StormSnooper1972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

All this is moot, if Xbox only caters to the first half of each generation , then I’m waiting until then before I decide to get an xbox. I’m not getting lured in by what they initially offer or claim. If I remember correctly, they said Xbox one was going to be huge as well. Turned out it was really an epic fail in the games department. So Xbox will be a decision I make at least 2-3 years after it launches.

russo1211972d ago

Should I conclude the title - "...why the next Xbox is going to be huge..." failure!
MS doesn't have the artistic and dedicated studio resources to out stand anything Sony can deliver.

bouzebbal1971d ago

this is bigger war bigger deal for fanboys than for actual big 3.
in all logic, Sony must be having a good headstart with the next gen. PS4 came first, destroyed competition, earned lot of love among gamers and developers.. many devs became big thanks to PS4.
Sony has been quitely working on PS5 and i honestly dont remember last time Cerny made an appearance (since Pro reveal??).
Next xbox will indeed be huge, not doubt about that.. Just looks like PS5 is looking even bigger as of now thanks to exclusives and Sony's 1st party software madness, only condition is to be prices right! If they get that sweet 399$ again it will be the same story as PS4.

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darthv721973d ago

I never quite got how GP was like Netflix because NF was mostly streaming with a few downloadable titles while GP was all downloadable titles. PSNow is more like Netflix. GP would either be Redbox (without having to go get them from a machine) or Gamefly (without having to go to your mailbox).

As for physical media... I'm fine with both but I just want physical media to get the same build as what is released digitally and in full fashion. Not this 1 game on disc and the other two you have to download crap.

battlegrog1972d ago

The only relation is that it's a collection of games that come and go each month. But the thing is most people don't understand facts of different technology. Just like how people are comparing cloud gaming to Netflix. When Microsoft brings cloud gaming all it's going to do is allow the same library that we have now be played over the internet instead of having Hardware. Games pass will continue to be a choice and that is different from xcloud

lazyboyblue1972d ago

Spencer's been vocal on always having the most powerful console on the market going forward. So I say they'll let Sony go 1st.

kingtoby20811972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

Bad idea. PS5 momentum will be way ahead of the next Xbox. I think they should release at the same time

Silly gameAr1972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

Power's not really helping them much in the present time, though. Instead of worrying about being the most powerful, they need to worry about what's actually more important to gamers.

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rainslacker1972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

Spencer says a lot of things. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, or that it's practical for them to always be more powerful than Sony. A statement like that is merely pandering for the fan boys to talk it up in the forums. MS would have to work a lot harder if they're always coming out after Sony.

sprinterboy1972d ago

I expect Sony and MS will both have a ryzen, navi setup with the same ram.
So I don't expect much difference in power, as always its down to the AAA devs to out do each other and that goes to Sony studios mainly.

kneon1971d ago

I guess he didn't learn from the 360. The only reason it was able to stay ahead of the PS3 for most of the generation was because it launched between 12 and 24 months ahead of the PS3 in the various regions. Without that initial sales lead it would never have reached the numbers it did, we can see that with the xb1.

Without must play true exclusives it's just a poor man's gaming PC.

sinspirit1971d ago

Phil's main job is to look like the good guy, and to pander to any positive attention that they can get.
The only positive attention XBox has been getting with the masses is backwards compatibility and having more performance due to releasing the latest box and with a higher price tag.

So, since he's mainly just there to look good and make XBox look good, he's going to roll with the annoying "beast" momentum and state something like this since social media followers are all obsessed with the same topics. I highly doubt that it's a wise business decision for them to postpone a launch and wait for more hardware.

If Sony really does have a big grab on AMD hardware that prevents MS from getting in the game around the same time, then of course they would play it off as them waiting for something new before launch. They actually would have to. Always keep in mind, MS will PR spin just about anything to appear higher quality and patient. Not that the industry actually responds to them that way, but social media followings sure do.

alb18991971d ago (Edited 1971d ago )

The beauty of next generation is that you can release multiple consoles. So MS can release Scarlett project with the ps5 and then the powerful one.

TheSaint1971d ago

Because power is all GAMERS care about, right?

81BX1971d ago (Edited 1971d ago )

@king toby
I think MS can wait. Sony is going to be riding the wave of the ps4 so they'll have the momentum any way imo.
@ silly gamer
Power wasn't supposed to be this game changing thing. Even Spencer said the X is for the hard core xbox gamers. To me it was a make up console for screwing up the gen. MS has the pieces in place to have a better gen this time around

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kingtoby20811972d ago

Getting my popcorn ready before they come in. I'm just hear to read fanboy comments 😁😂

starchild1972d ago

You won't be disappointed. Mostly all I do these days is laugh at all the absurdity.

CaptainOmega1972d ago

I thoroughly enjoy popping a disc in.

xXxSeTTriPxXx1972d ago

Because theirs no way but up at this point for the zbox.

mark_parch1972d ago

I've got no problem with Microsoft releasing multiple consoles and one of them being a disc-less digital only console but if there flagship model doesn't play physical discs it's suicide. I'm pretty sure scarlet will have a disc drive and they will have a cheaper alternative like the rumoured xbox one s with no disc drive

sprinterboy1972d ago

I see both company's having a physical and discless console model nxt gen.
I think the sales data from digital sales will justify the dicision.

Sirk7x1971d ago

If it's backwards compatible, I'd buy it without a disc drive. Especially if that lowers the price any. Would be very nice to still be able to play my 300 digital titles and game share.

CurbStompin1972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

PS Now is shit, big fail on sony’s part. And anyone who still sees added value in physical is holding back innovation. Yeah people liked buying cd’s but the future was Mp3’s. It’s inevitable, and coming whether you want to accept it or not.

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subtenko1972d ago

this is part of the reason xbox fails compared to PS, people like you egging on M$.

rainslacker1972d ago

LOL. Holding back innovation. Discs are a delivery method. Nothing more nothing less. What's so innovative about distributing something over the internet. If digital is held back by physical, then that's on the publishers, not the people buying physical.

Dragonscale1972d ago

Whoa someone's really been drinking that ms kool aid lol.

monkey6021971d ago

How could someone not see the "added value" ?!
Physical games tend to be much cheaper and have a resale value.

Even if the nonsense you spout about holding back innovation was remotely true you would fail to see that people will always look out for number 1! Nobody sensible is going to spend an extra 20 quid on a game through digital format because it's "good for the industry"

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kingtoby20811972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

"Microsoft keeps it affordable and keeps pumping new games onto the service, the next Xbox will be the most cost efficient console in history."

I truly believe game pass price will be higher next gen. Microsoft will up the price I can guarantee it.

subtenko1972d ago

Dude its just the same ol crap xbox has been spewing for the last few gens while PS has been dominating. I dont take xbox seriously at all. Theyre all talk and no substance

Rude-ro1972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

The only “huge” part of the next Xbox is if it does not finally kill Xbox.
The “power” war will mean nothing anymore unless it is substantial with stability. The days of nit picking resolution or 2 to 5 frames per second are over.
It is attachment per accounts and what would sway players to switch. This always comes down to software.
Microsoft’s best hope, outside of making truely remarkable titles, is the e-sport and competitive crowd. Choice of frames from 120 to 60 FPS. Fov slider, and other pc like controls. This would open up to a market that just does not get catered to on consoles.
The other door of opurtunity is if Sony does not make our digital purachases available per the ps5. We are at that point that a lot of players bought digitally, if that does not carry forward, then what is there to be attached to?
Microsoft has a spot in gaming, how relevant depends on their unique software.

Chris121972d ago

The power war for you was over as soon as your preferred gaming choice became second best. You just needed a new stick to beat MS with. Transparent and boring, like all the other comments above from the Sony brigade.

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Rude-ro1971d ago

@Chris12...
You went from an average resolution of 720p to “740” to 900p max or dynamic 1080p...
THEN, after the 4 year drought on the 360... we are now another 4 years into a gen without one single new 1st party studio to just now ramping up developers...
if you think just Sony fans laughed at that and can not see the math of how many players jumped ship to Sony.. then I can not help you.
All you have is a rehashed and tweaked engine for forza that they put more make up on🤮😆

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battlegrog1972d ago

You sure dont know mich about technology becuase if you did yo I would understand a huge difference between ps now and what other companies are doing

Muzikguy1972d ago

My take from the title is “hasn’t MS always had huge consoles?”

Lol. I kid.

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BizarroUltraman1972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

Stop your bs whining, you speak for a minority of gamers who will soon have to fall in line with the future of gaming, and thats Digital. You're just ranting to get your PS guys up in arms. Xbox can provide consumers with multiple skus, one of which can be for digital consumers. That why they have a digital only Xbox for 2019. Youre dumbass knows that Sony and Nintendo will follow but you choose to ignore all the signs!! Go back to your damn web swinging bore of a game and keep hoping your days of physical content don't Die.

Muzikguy1972d ago

If you want to talk about ignoring signs take a look at the X1 reveal. I think you’re already late

majiebeast1972d ago

Man Bizarro what a loser you are

Donnie811972d ago

This article is about the next Xbox not the ps5 so you wrote all that rubbish for nothing. So let's pretend trolling fanboys don't exist

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SwampthingsSon1971d ago

Tl;dr but the first sentence. I love these people who don’t see physical exiting the gaming industry in the future. It may not go next gen or the gen after but to think the overwhelming amount of people are pro physical media, you’re completely wrong. It’s like the writing is on the wall and you can’t read

Sophisticated_Chap1971d ago

Physical games are no longer what they used to be in terms of being a finished product. If you have to download a day one patch with virtually every game, then what's the point of a physical game anyway? You're still digitally downloading the game, even though you're buying a physical disc.

bolimekurac1971d ago

people really like clinging on to those discs, i dont get why though, these days the full game isnt on the disc and you still need updates. how is discs convenient in anyway in a digitial world where everything ius right there with no need to swap out. dinosaurs dont exist and neither should discs

FanboysKiller1971d ago

Netflix contents are UP TO DATE!!!
Delivering 700+ of older titles makes ps now look obsolete and cheap and makes customers think twice to sub for the service.

chris2351971d ago

you are in the minority. clinging on to physical data carriers reeks of a psychological addiction to an illusion. personally, i last used a disk when the ps3 was around. and i am looking forward to complete diskless distribution. i would even buy a xoxbox if they were still in the gaming busienss.

DrumBeat1971d ago

We know Microsoft can make a powerful console. Sony can too. The next Xbox will only be huge if they step up their library. Even then, I don't think they can beat Sony, despite having more resources than Sony.

PlayStation is just too well entrenched to simply be dug out, and replaced by Xbox as the leader. Sony's biggest advantage is that it's such a storied brand, with so many great exclusives, dating back to 1994. It's more universally recognized, and it's sold in more countries. Xbox can give PlayStation a run for its money, maybe, but they would have to overcome such odds. I just don't think it's possible at this point, as long as Sony keeps doing what they're doing.

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crazyCoconuts1973d ago

a console we know little about, not sure when it's coming out, and no indication it will do anything radically different, but this author is sure it'll be huge...

CaptainObvious8781971d ago

And backed by a company that has a long history of severely dropping exclusive games support halfway into each gen, with a poor track record few new IPs in which the few that are released are usually low quality.

Why the hell would anyone get the next xbox over a ps5? It's beyond me.

crazyCoconuts1971d ago

Personally, I'll give them a chance to redeem themselves... Maybe Sony will screw something up with PS5, who knows. But to speculate that the next XBox is going to be huge without knowing anything about it is... Er... Nutty

PhoenixUp1973d ago

“Meanwhile, in 2018, changing discs is an archaic concept.”

I stopped reading the article after that absurd statement

ApocalypseShadow1973d ago (Edited 1973d ago )

Yup. All I saw was hopes, dreams and wishful thinking.

We all know BC was a non factor against Sony this Gen. Nice feature to have out the gate but gamers want new games for their new console.If Sony offers BC with PS4 on PS5, not only will it negate BC on the next Xbox, but also Game Pass.

First to market will not give Microsoft any advantage. They were being outsold by Sony last Gen coming in late and at a higher price. And, that length of time will never happen ever again.

Sony may not have the adaptive controller. But its fanbase world wide is much, much larger than Microsoft's. Sony doesn't have to look into new markets to sell software as much as Microsoft has to.

Article talks about exclusives. But if you can play them on a streaming service or on PC, why would gamers need to buy an Xbox? Microsoft is giving gamers less of a reason to buy.

It's like some think with these articles that Sony and its fan base and market share will just disappear. If the next Xbox is huge, it would still be for the same base that bought it this gen. And the core fans that stuck around after RROD and DRM2013.

DerekTweed1973d ago

I honestly don't think the PS5 will have backwards compatibility. I'm not saying it won't happen, it's just my feeling that it won't. They removed it from the PS3 and PS4 doesn't have it outside of PSNow, or re-buying games on PSN (I think).

Anyway, like many say, it doesn't matter so Sony fans or PS4 owners won't care if the PS5 doesn't have backwards compatibility.

Atom6661973d ago

"Sony may not have the adaptive controller. But its fanbase world wide is much, much larger than Microsoft's. Sony doesn't have to look into new markets to sell software as much as Microsoft has to."

Ever think you're taking your console war too far? As the market leader and the maker of some of the best games on the planet, maybe we should try to encourage Sony to copy MS on this one, not come up with rationalizations as to why they financially don't need to.

ApocalypseShadow1972d ago

Has nothing to do with a console war atom. It's providing facts but watching bloggers ignore facts. I don't even call them journalists anymore.

Microsoft has never won any generation since entering it over 15 years ago. Right?

Microsoft has less market share worldwide than Sony does in the console space and can't even sell in Japan. Right?

Microsoft has less successful exclusives going into next Gen than Sony does. Right?

Microsoft has less successful 1st parties than Sony does. Right?

So how is Microsoft going to counter all that? Power with X isn't stopping Sony. BC isn't stopping Sony. Game Pass and EA access isn't stopping Sony. I'm not making this up. These are just known facts. Sony just won NPD again without all that I just mentioned.

You tell me what hypothetical service or product Microsoft could release is going to change the console industry in their favor? They only sold well last Gen because of a head start and RROD sales. If PS3 launched at the same time as xbox 360, those numbers they accumulated would have been quite different.

You give me their hypothetical strategy that will sell huge numbers in YOUR OPINION. I'm all ears.

Atom6661972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

I don't care about any of that crap. Sorry.

I was just pointing out that dismissing the adaptive controller as part of some flame war is a shitty way to look at things.

chiefJohn1171972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

You seriously take the console war too serious to the point is sad. Instead of looking at some things at least some as pro consumer you're 100% pro company 24/7 with a "if you're not first you're last" or doing bad mantality. Ppl just got to play Hitman, fallout 4, Forza h4, etc for a buck you think they care rather it's stopping Sony lol? Geez what a company man

LightofDarkness1972d ago

Excellent points, I hope you brought them up at the strategy meeting with the other Sony execs. All hail Sony!

/s

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JackBNimble1972d ago

Derektweed
Ps5 should be based off of the same architectur so I would expect ps5 to be fully backwards compatibile right out of the box.
Why would you think ps4 owners don't want bc anyway especially at the beginning of the next generation?

rainslacker1972d ago

@Atom

His point isn't dismissing it as pointless because it's not a good thing, it's dismissive because in the grand scheme of things, it's not going to make a difference in the console war whether Sony has one or not.

@john

Most of his comment is about the reality of the world, and the points the article brought up not being that relevant to the next gen. Much of it laced with facts that none of that stuff has helped MS this gen, so it's unreasonable to assume that it's going to be a major factor going forward.

ApocalypseShadow1972d ago

Chief, I used to support them as I bought the first xbox and still have it in my collection of game systems with games.

But then, Microsoft abandoned the console to try and get a jump on Sony. And, even though the Xbox 360 had an endemic failure built in, they KNOWINGLY sold it to customers anyway. To cover it up from doing a recall and not get sued, they offered an extended warranty. But abandoned the Xbox 360 in its last 3 years of life by not making games. Nevermind the xbl paywall they had for apps like Netflix.

Then, they tried to destroy gaming with DRM2013. All for profits and advertising dollars with kinect.

And you're wondering why I don't support them anymore or why I do support the other companies that actually care about the console industry. And even though Don Mattrick was a scapegoat, Phil was there the whole time.

Why o why1972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

Facts. . Just remember how many game changers have been touted this gen from camp x. . . . Every effort to throw criticism at the leader was taken and worst of all, elevated to levels more important than they actually were. Those who were campaigning for things the console didn't have look stupid now. It changed nothing. . Games change things. . Consistency, quality and variety of games change things not bc or x play. . . .you guys still ain't worked it out yet and spent way too much calories talking crap about the market leader whilst ignoring their console of choice's frailties. This gen may of ended different if the loud mouths demanded more of Microsoft than they did of Sony. . Now y'all celebrate buying studios. . . . . .to make multiplats right? Cause exclusives haven't mattered since last gen according to some. . . Because 'Cod sells more'. . . .

Realms1972d ago

@ DerekTweed

Why wouldn't the PS5 be BC with the PS4? Sony has had BC with all of their consoles with the exception of the PS4. It makes too much sense not to implement BC on the PS5 because then you would have a build in game library and no need to rush out next generation games. No real gamer is ever going to deny that BC is a great feature however it's not a selling point, games are and I would add that new Ip's are far more important than features and even power as the Switch has proven.

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Bobafret1972d ago

It is archaic, when was the last time you inserted a game disc into your PC?

S2Killinit1972d ago

These are consoles not PCs.

Gazondaily1972d ago

I barely get discs for console let alone PC. To each their own though.

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Atticus_finch1972d ago

Please keep buying digital. That just means my physical collection will be worth more in the future.

rainslacker1972d ago

So archaic that MS knew it couldn't remove them from the current gen, so still had a disc drive, then slapped a bunch of digital DRM onto it and tried to monetize it for their own benefit. It's only been 5 years since the release of the consoles....not much has changed in that time.

starchild1971d ago

It is archaic and an annoyance I don't want to deal with personally, but it's still a good option to have for those that don't have internet service.

In my case, I buy all my PC and PS4 games in digital format. Having instant access to my library of games is something I really value. Cluttering up my living space with physical discs and cases and having to manually switch them out seems as bothersome as using CDs for music.

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subtenko1972d ago

i never clicked i know M$ and Sony well enough at this point

rainslacker1972d ago

Making absurd comments is the future. And the present apparently. And the last 10 years.

But hey....get with the times man. Gotta read the absurd comments to get to the more absurd comments later.

Personally, I wonder how lazy people are, or how often they switch up the games they play that they can't change a disc. I know there might be someone who stops what they're playing to pop online and play with some friends, and I can see buying some of those kinds of games digitally for convenience, but it's not really that hard to get off the cough and pop in a disc for the vast majority of people. Unless one has a disability which makes it more difficult for them to do that, then there really is no reason to use changing discs as an excuse.

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Sirk7x1971d ago

Dude, I don't even use my controller, I just tell Alexa what game to boot. It's great. "Computer, tell Xbox to play Overwatch." Done.

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DEEBO1973d ago

You need disc for gaming simple as that.

When you're online service goes down and your lock out of your console (for people with more then one system)you can still play the games on disc.

Now I need help, can someone tell me what gaming PC's are strong enough to day trade and run VR?

ElementX1972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

You can play digital games without an internet connection, as long as it's installed. Sure, you can install disc based games without an online connection but almost every game has a day one patch. I don't know why you'd want to even play an unpatched game though, so chances are you are going to be playing installed games either way.

FinalFantasyFanatic1972d ago

Not on Steam you can't, there's an offline mode on it, but it doesn't seem to do anything as far as I can tell.

ElementX1972d ago

I was obviously replying to a comment about consoles,I wasn't referring to Steam

ABizzel11972d ago (Edited 1972d ago )

Anything with performance on par with a GTX 1060 or a Vega RX 580 / 570 (at least 4GB versions) can run VR.

You can get by with a GTX 1050 Ti on some headsets, but not all of them will deem the GPU VR ready.

If you're buying a laptop definitely go with the 1060 over the 1050 Ti.

My personal recommendation would be a 1070 / 1080 for NVIDIA, and a 590 for AMD for a good experience, at a fair price. The 1060 and 580 are capable, but they have their limits.

Anomander1972d ago

hell I'm playing VR on my R9 290X so even some older GPUs work just fine as well.
My System is a i5 4670K, R9 290X and 16GB DDR3. Plays VR games right at high most of the time. Looking to upgrade the GPU to a Vega56 though.

ABizzel11972d ago

@Anomander

The R9 290x is on par with the RX 480 / 580, that's why you can play VR regardless of how old it is
:D

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XDefiant misses launch window, Ubi says a new release date will be announced after stress test

XDefiant was originally supposed to be out in summer 2023, but following a seemingly-successful beta test in April of that year, it was bumped to October 2023, and then delayed again to an unspecified future date. In its February 2024 financial report, Ubisoft slated XDefiant for launch in the fourth quarter of its 2023-24 fiscal year, which ended March 31.

A week before that date arrived, rumors surfaced that the game would be delayed yet again, and a few days later Ubisoft made it official.

"The game has always been community-first, with player feedback as a top priority," the development team said in the update. "While we hoped to go live by the end of March, there are still some improvements that we need to test before that."

Ubisoft said it's "finishing preparations" for a server stress test that will run for 12 hours on PC, PlayStation 5, and Xbox Series X|S. "After this short test, we expected to be able to lock a launch date and start sharing more about exciting content XDefiant has to offer in the future!"

just_looken14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

The previous news was from the team/rumors this is ubisoft themselves now saying the game is delayed again no new date set but they will have a stress test on a date that has not been set.

So the game is delayed to _____ TBD
Network stress test at ____ TBD

Ubisoft we make games whenever for whoever we just do not care

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurec...

X-2314d ago

I'm just going to be honest here and say what people seem to not want to, XDefiant success is going to be short-lived and it's because it's a game that's going to be under Ubisoft's umbrella. The development team can be absolute rockstars, but with Ubisoft steering the ship it's not going to go anywhere.

Profchaos13d ago

It could be a truely amazing game (it won't be) but with Ubisoft it will be monitized within a inch of its life.

smolinsk13d ago

The game is dead move on. It's the same with the Finals. These short period hype games doesn't last.

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New Xbox Devkit Certified In Korea, Could Be Next-Gen Console: Rumor

A new rumor suggests the next Xbox console is currently being tested by developers in South Korea.

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Obscure_Observer28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

If true, hopefully a fully fledged next gen console and not some unnecessary mid gen refresh system.

It could be that rumored Xbox portable, who knows

porkChop28d ago

Next gen would make sense. They said they'd talk about new hardware at the end of this year, and Xbox usually starts talking about next gen systems 2 years before they release. Late 2026 would make sense for next gen. Though it also seems a bit early for next gen dev kits to be going out.

Lightning7728d ago

Next gen wouldn't make any sense right now. They still have 1st party to release in the next few years. If they announce their next console at the end of the year that would do them harm more harm for their console. The console barely sells as is anyway. People would just wait off until the NEXT console. That's right, they'll have you playing the waiting game again.

fr0sty28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

If it does have anything to do with NextGen, Sony could have forced their hand by making the ps5 pro so powerful, with it said to be at over 33 teraflops and up to 4x the ray tracing performance, along with AI-powered upscaling that works on all games without patches required, according to Moore's Law is Dead, who is a very reliable source (and he also leaked photos of the internal documents confirming this).

What doesn't make sense is South Korea, why only there?

S2Killinit28d ago

MS is talking next gen because they already released 2 different SKUs, they cannot release a 3rd SKU because the cost of optimizing every game for 3 different consoles would be prohibitively high. MS essentially will abandon current gen xbox owners because otherwise they dont have any way to respond to PS5 PRO.

MS plans really backfired on them this gen.

StormSnooper28d ago

Next gen this early? People just bought their consoles. What about people with the current gen consoles? Will MS support the series S? Or just abandon them?

porkChop28d ago

@StormSnooper

What do you mean "this early"? They're just talking about the hardware at the end of the year, not releasing it. It wouldn't come out until holiday 2026. Personally I'd prefer waiting until holiday 2027 as we've barely had any games that really take advantage of the current consoles. But 6 years is pretty standard for a generation.

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Profchaos28d ago

That's the million dollar question Microsoft seem to indicate they want to start the next generation off early while PS is seemingly going for a refresh and next gen system in 2028.

However if they start the generation off say next year while only having the xsx on the market for 5 years consumers will start to question the lack of dedication to the systems.

A 5 year console cycle hasn't been relevant since the PS1 era and we've barely seen any convincing software that really shows the need for the current generation as is.

I feel like they need to wait until 2028 at least abs take PS on head on again

andy8528d ago

What would a fully fledged next gen console be though. The power creep is only high enough in 2024 to make a 'pro' type increase unless they make it super expensive. And given not as many are interested in the full powered Series X as it is. Who's buying it?

porkChop28d ago

It wouldn't be releasing in 2024. This is just a dev kit, they're always different from the final hardware.

andy8527d ago

Yeah but the thing would be being designed now is my point

porkChop27d ago

Designed now, yes, but the final hardware isn't available now. They'd have a general idea of what they're targeting but they'd still be working with AMD to build custom chips using upcoming architecture, not currently available chips. This is how every generation works.

S2Killinit28d ago

MS already abandoning the generation. That is how bad they are doing.

Obscure_Observer28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

"MS already abandoning the generation. That is how bad they are doing."

The only one "abandoning" the generation is Sony which barely scratched the surface with the PS5. So far there´s not a single first party game that pushed the hardware closer to its limits with true next gen games.

All its have to show from first party so far, is remakes, remasters, re-releases and cross-generation games.

The worst part of it all is that apparently, even the PS5 Pro will be released without a single first party game to show why that thing is needed in the first place.

That´s why I´m happy Xbox ditched the idea of another mid gen refresh Xbox, and will continue to focus on both SX and SS for the foreseeable future.

S2Killinit28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Hah that is a hilarious response.

Look at MS leaving the generation halfway in the middle. At least in prior generations they would just give up, now they are abandoning their consumers too! like “sorry you bought what we sold you, but we gotta move on now, byyyeee”

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smashman9828d ago

While I can understand the annoyance with a mid gen refresh considering the severe lack of first party support on this console gen I'd argue it's very necessary considering most games still don't hit native 4k 60 on console.

Obscure_Observer28d ago

The PS5 Pro won´t achieve native 4k 60fps for most games either!

That´s why it´s pointless.

attilayavuzer28d ago

Same CPU in Pro, so the expectation is that it'll just be a res boost unfortunately.

S2Killinit28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

According to Obscure, a mid-upgrade is “unnecessary” but a whole new generation is just dandy. My question is, why is that? I mean at least with a mid-gen upgrade gamers aren’t being left behind. If its too early for a mid-gen, then why is it not too early for a new gen? lol sorry I have to laugh.

Markusb3328d ago

another console for no one to buy, the series is tracking lower than the xbox one, buy your games and support them

S2Killinit28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

@Obscure
Sooo a mid-gen upgrade is too early and “unnecessary”, but a whole new gen that leaves gamers behind is good?

porkChop28d ago

A mid gen console releasing this year using the same CPU, vs a next gen console with all new hardware launching more than two years from now. Mid gen is pointless because without a significant CPU upgrade games will still struggle with performance. A CPU overclock isn't remotely enough.

The biggest obstacle regarding performance this gen is the CPU, this is what causes so many games to have hitching, stuttering, sudden fps drops, 30fps, etc. A faster GPU cannot alleviate these issues, games won't just magically be 4K60fps with raytracing. That's not how it works.

Each frame has to be processed by the CPU before being handed off to the GPU. So a game can ultimately only perform as fast as the CPU can feed the GPU. This is why consoles focusing so heavily on GPU power is a problem, after the first couple years when you start really pushing the GPU the CPU becomes a bottleneck. We need more balanced consoles next gen.

FGHFGHFGH27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

@porkchop
fps, raytracing, etc is all gpu stuff. So when they do gpu tests, they use the exact system but use different gpus, the results are huge if you look at the top vs bottom. CPU will give you a higher ceiling but all graphics stuff is gpu work. FPS is gpu.(you plug gfx card into monitor)
"All games and cards are tested with the drivers listed above—no performance results were recycled between test systems. Only this exact system with exactly the same configuration is used for all results in this review."
Thats from rtx470 super ex review, rx5700xt does 44% compared to rtx470super ex 100% at 2560x1440 resolution. For games gpu is the best upgrade.
https://www.techpowerup.com...

Obscure_Observer27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

@S2Killinit

"Sooo a mid-gen upgrade is too early and “unnecessary”, but a whole new gen that leaves gamers behind is good?"

Have you paid attention to what I´d actually said?

I said that I rather MS to stick with the SX and SS for the foreseeable future!

And what you mean by "leaving gamers behind"?

It´s been 4 years and so far the PS5 don´t have a single true next gen first party game which pushes the console to its limits and, yet, Sony already have a pointless mid gen refresh console ready to launch which according to DF themselves it´s nothing but a disappointment as far CPU performance is concerned.

So why in the hell would I want MS to follow the same route?!

I rather have a full next gen Xbox console released by 2026-2027 rather than a worthless Xbox Series XX to be released this year.

StormSnooper28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

A new generation this early?? How is that a good thing??.. at least give us an upgrade. Some people barely bought their current gen consoles….

romulus2327d ago

Series x only came out 3 years and four months ago, talking about a "fully fledged next gen console" is just as unnecessary right now. Better hope not, an xbox portable would fail miserably.

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S2Killinit28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Yeah its wayyy too early for a next gen. People were even saying its too early for a mid-gen upgrade, let alone a new generation. And what happens to all the current xbox gamers? Leave them behind?

crazyCoconuts28d ago

And would they sell enough to justify the cost

Concertoine27d ago

At one time MS said that the one x/ps4 pro model would be the standard going forward. If theyre testing something new, its safe to say its a mid-gen upgrade. They’ll probably have another “Series-letter” name too. Callin it

Lightning7728d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Could be the refresh console perhaps? I doubt it'll be the new console. Might be the portable rumored device.

Regardless the fact we're talking about new hardware already is absolutely pathetic. Barely any current gen stuff out and the stuff that is out or coming is at 30 fps or doesn't, doesn't look current gen and what have you.

All we're doing is chasing power and not creating the games to harness said power.

Worse generation so far easily.

DarXyde28d ago

I have a hypothesis about the rush to move to next gen:

They want to really bake in AI integration in some way. How exactly? No idea, but perhaps new hardware would expedite a lot of development and reduce needed labour. Something they can't do with current hardware, perhaps.

I don't really know, but I reckon we'll get a good sense of it once we learn about the actual features of a new Xbox/Playstation.

blackblades28d ago

Above you said it makes no sense but these days a lot of things make no sense to some people. Ps portal, mid gen refresh doesnt make any sense either to some. Another thing is the switch came out earlier because the wiiu flopped. Sense xbox aint doing so well dont it make sense to start fresh on the next system and get the jump like the 360. Overall we don't know nothing.

DarXyde28d ago

The reason it would be unusual is because releasing in, say, the next two years would really restrict the technology it could implement. For example, they'd maybe get Zen 4 with FSR3 instead of waiting a bit. Moreover, if they intend to live up to the claims of it having the most significant leap, they can certainly do that, but the price is likely to be harder to stomach.

Frankly, I wouldn't recommend getting the jump on the competition too early. Xbox 360 was a phenomenal console in its early years, but it was also God awful because it was absolute garbage quality.

Releasing too early relative to competition is a dangerous bet, especially for a company like Microsoft given their history.

S2Killinit28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

It WOULD help xbox’s image not to release next to PlayStation day and date. That way numbers can be played with. (i.e. “we are best selling console”)

S2Killinit28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

The only thing that makes me think this crazy news might be true is that MS already released two SKUs. If rumors are true that we will be getting a second SKU PlayStation (PS5PRO), then i dont think MS can release a third SKU as costs would be prohibitive for developing games for 3 separate SKUs that are so far apart in performance.

Solution: next gen xbox to leave some consoles out in those instances where developer can’t justify the cost.

This is bad news for xbox gamers indeed.

dumahim28d ago

"Could be the refresh console perhaps?"

The Series X one, yeah. That was my thought, but why would it need a dev kit? They're changing something. Maybe it's just some minor bump like the One S last gen.

niiopi28d ago

Lightning77 and Obscure_Observer are the same people LOL.

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Extermin8or3_28d ago

It was reliably leaked just a month ago that MS hadn't signed contracts for next gen till literally weeks ago- the same leakers that correctly leaked that hi fi rush and pentiment and sea of thieves were going to ps5. So this is very very very unlikely- if not impossible. Also it's way too early....

jwillj2k428d ago

Tell us oh great timeline masta… what speed should a shady trillion dollar company move at to compete with their “non rival” rival?

Hofstaderman28d ago

New wi-fi standard certification?

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Jin_Sakai49d ago (Edited 49d ago )

It’s just a guessing game until Nintendo officially reveals the console. Better to keep expectations low.

--Onilink--48d ago

More than anything, unless Nvidia is really doing some crazy magic, I would say keep expectations in check regarding what can be achieved with DLSS.

Its still amazing that it will have it, specially coming off so many Switch games with reaaally low resolutions and no AA, it can definitely provide an advantage.

But DLSS still has a render budget cost to implement, its not free fps, and like all super samplers, its worst quality is when starting from really low base resolutions.

Same with DLSS 3, even if it were technically possible from a hardware standpoint, its not really meant to be used with base 30fps

FinalFantasyFanatic48d ago

This, I got so sick and tired of the Nintendo Pro spec/release date rumours, now I'll probably get it all over again with the Switch successor (except the Switch 2 actually exists and will come out).

contra15749d ago

Let’s all say a prayer for backwards compatibility

Popsicle48d ago

Better be a huge prayer. This is Nintendo we are discussing.

SonOfOsiris47d ago

Lol yeah, DS played gameboy games, 3DS played DS/Lite/i games, Wii played GameCube games, WiiU played Wii games and accessories, yeah a huge prayer is needed hahaha

Firebird36048d ago

No bc is a no buy for me. I'm done supporting the practice of our game libraries not moving forward with us.
Pc has done this for years and years. Consoles can to, there no excuse.

darthv7249d ago

My only expectation would be it can play existing switch carts and digital games. Like 3DS did with DS

CrimsonWing6949d ago

I think with the way things are shifting to more a PC mentality, having access to your digital library is not only necessary, it’s mandatory.

Unless Nintendo is stuck in the past, which we’ve seen they have been, I can’t imagine them closing off the Switch eshop like it’s a WiiU eshop. I’d hope they’d be like Sony and Xbox moving forward and their digital marketplace.

jznrpg49d ago

Digital library I don’t care I want my physical games to work on the new Switch

FinalFantasyFanatic48d ago

Nintendo is always 2 steps forward, one step back, I really hope they don't mess BC up, they have taken steps that indicate that we'll be able to keep our Switch libraries, some of those games could really benefit from more processing power.

GhostScholar49d ago

I’d give anything for trophy/achievement systems

notachance48d ago

I haven't touched my switch for years despite there are some games on it I want to play because there's no achievement system.

GhostScholar48d ago

Glad I’m not the only one, and I feel like there could be some really cool achievement tiles and game related achievements to the first party Nintendo games like Mario, Zelda, etc

I know they won’t have them because Nintendo is so out of touch, but if they had achievements switch would have been my console of choice I think.

cthulhucultist49d ago (Edited 49d ago )

We have to be realistic given the requirements Nintendo usually considers when deploying a new console the last few years.

It must be power efficient and small in form factor in addition to being hybrid (therefore lowered specs in comparison with other consoles). This means that it will not become as hot when playing as say the Steam Deck.

It must be relatively cheap (not in the 500$ price range but lower)

It must be backwards compatible with Switch

Therefore I am expecting base PS4 power level with newer hardware and upscaling tricks. Anything more powerful will eat the battery rather quickly especially if the rumours about the 8 inch screen are true.

But consider having a Zelda with Ghosts of Tsushima level of graphics! That would be simply stunning

darthv7249d ago

Switch 2 should be at least double what the Switch 1 is, which itself is below 1tf. so seeing a Switch 2 hit around the 1.6tf would put it in Steam Deck range, maybe a little better than that thanks to FSR and DLSS support.

GhostScholar48d ago

There is no way the graphics would be up to par with ghost in my opinion. All Nintendo cares about are the first party games. That’s what all their creativity goes into (that’s not a bad thing because their first party games are great) but they’ll never implement graphical power or even decent online services. They just don’t see it as important.

ChasterMies48d ago

The latest iPhone already has more graphical power than a PS4. I think Nintendo is going to have to spec Switch 2 a little higher if they want to convince people to upgrade.

cthulhucultist47d ago

@DeusFever
Iphone 15 pro run appears to use a dynamic resolution in Death Stranding and it seems to average around 400p in typical play (with frame rate issues on top of it) according to Digital Foundry whereas PS4 run at 1080p.

https://www.eurogamer.net/d...

Resident Evil 4 remake has 300p upscaled to 720p in comparison to 900p resolution on SP4

So not exactly on the same level

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