LevelUp: "We interviewed Phil Spencer at X018."
13 First Party Studios and his commitment that from now on the Xbox will always be the most powerful console on the market, are the important things from that show imo.
There is no way that he can keep that commitment though...because it all depends on who releases first and what the delay in the competition is...
They will release their console after Sony. Even if it is by a few months. That's the only way they can achieve that. It's not that hard to figure it out
But this is a factually incorrect statement by Phil and their fans snce PlayStation was the most powerful console, ps4vs xb1, then it continued to be that when the Pro came out, gave up the power crown to the xb1x until the ps5 that again will be the most powerful console...so in essence it's Sony that started this back and forth so its PlayStation that will always be the most powerful console first.
And when the PS5 Pro releases? The X was a year behind the Pro (hence why it's now the most powerful console again). It's not that hard to know he can't keep that commitment either...
after getting Obsidian and Ninja Theory I'm starting to get exited for Xbox for the first time in 10 years. now see it through Phil. you don't need to have the most powerful console, you need a regular flow of standout variety of games.
@NewMonday Never a truer word. The new devs are definitely a step in the right direction. And Sony has proven that strength of hardware alone is not the sole factor. I hope they're working on some new and original IPs to compete with Sony's. Hopefully a few for my XB1X - and some for the XB2/X!
They would always have to trail their releases by at least a year after Sony's, not just a few months, because it takes time to incorporate hardware changes and for the cost to start coming down to prevent them from being too expensive. They *could* keep that commitment, but I'm not sure it's a great strategy. Seems like always letting your competition lead with innovation and get a year headstart on you isn't something that intuitively sounds good, but I can see how you could keep a niche of users with that approach...
@Monday Exactly, and to MS credit that appears what they're also trying to to. Those games will have a lot more impact on a person's buying decision, because power gains are rapidly reaching a plateau, where the gains are not more abstract things...like raytracing or better shaders.
@UltraNova "But this is a factually incorrect statement by Phil and their fans snce PlayStation was the most powerful console, ps4vs xb1" What part of "from now on" was so difficult to understand?
Every indication Xbox is going the way of PC. They’ll easily be able to have the most powerful console when they give customization options and not just a one size fits all mass market price point piece of hardware.
It will depend more on the budgets and the creative controls they allow their developers. They can have 1000 studios, it won’t make any difference if they cancel games, or handicap talent.
Unless they always release a very high Priced SKU with a huge amount of power.
@Tekolie What part of when the PS5 launches that Sony will likely have the most powerful console don't you understand? Do you think Sony's going to come in at less than 6TF? Is MS going to release before PS5, or really soon after it? If not, then Phil will fail to keep his promise. While I know that's not really what he's implying, that's what he's actually saying, and there is no way for him to keep that promise when he has no idea what the competition will do, and MS can't realistically keep trying to follow Sony's every move to keep trying to one up them. That isn't even in MS nature to do so, so I don't see them allowing their closest competitor to always make the first most. MS has allowed competitors get into markets and gain footholds which they couldn't shake, and doing that with Xbox just doesn't make sound business sense. People aren't going to care if MS has the most powerful console when others are leading the market. MS will just be seen as chasing after Sony's scraps, and seeming more and more ineffectual if they take that route for the long term. MS has had the most power console this gen for about a year now. That isn't anything to really say they're going to do better in the future.
Ohh TekoIie, you got so close, yet stil far far away....
"Xbox will always be the most powerful console on the market" And yet the Switch is dominating the Xbox 1x. No use in having all that power and not knowing how to use it. Also 13 first party studios and nothing to show for it. Also, from now on always be the most powerful console on the market? You sure about that?
You try way too hard dude. We all know that Xbox failed this gen. The studios are new and they are in the hiring process. Ninja Theory will show what is working on next year. They are preparing for next gen. As for the power of course im sure. Phil said that on X018. And since they overdelivered with their promise on the X. They will do the same next gen, especially now that they have 13 studios making games.
1. Powerful and functionality (Xbox X v Switch) are two different components to look at. The X is more powerful than the Switch (as is the PS4), the Switch has more functionality than both PS4 and Xbox 2. They recently acquired a majority of those studios...I am curious to know what you expect this soon. 3. Please...the crossfire by both console fanboys trying to call the other out for hyperbolic statements is getting old. Hyperbole during conventions, trade-shows, interviews, Q1-conferences is incredibly common in all business, and is not exclusive to Microsoft.
@Inzo "And yet the Switch is dominating the Xbox 1x." Not as a console but as a portable device sure I will give you that carrying around an X and playing it not ideal and the Switch is a better option to do so but, with the sacrifices that come with such a move. The experience of a console the X is the domineering force with Pro not far behind. But, if you want to be technical on dominating gaming then the iPhone dominates the Switch as a portable gaming device (actually just a gaming device in general). Just the fact that Apple is number 2 in global revenue of game sales tells you that and its yearly sale numbers are more than all consoles sold by over 9 times (217 million last year alone). "Well, that is not fair" you say. Apple to Oranges? So is trying to compare a device (the Switch) most people use to be mobile and play Mario games. They serve different purposes and different audiences. But so do true consoles and hybrid devices.
If the switch and X1 isn't a good comparison, how about the OGPS4 still outselling the X1 as a whole, X1X included? The margin is even greater when you include in the less powerful than the most powerful console on the market, PS4P. Can't say those two consoles don't compete with one another. MS needs to focus on the games, not the power. Make good hardware to run whatever the current gen of the time will demand, and attract people with the games. Do that, and they'll get a user base. Worked on the 360, worked for every Sony home console, it'll work for whatever they put out in the future.
"You try way too hard dude." I dont have to try hard to state the obvious. "As for the power of course im sure. Phil said that on X018." Phil Spencer also said that SP games dont matter anymore. Dont believe everything he says.
@inzo Here never said SP games don't matter anymore. Go home with your idiotic fanboy nonsense.
@Atana So I didnt quote the guy but here you go. "You’ll have things like The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild or Horizon Zero Dawn that’ll come out, and they’ll do well, but they don’t have the same impact" "Go home with your idiotic fanboy nonsense." Says the fanboy. https://www.google.com/url?... https://mspoweruser.com/phi...
way to cherry pick. when asked “So what about the games that don’t need to exist as services? We’ve seen a huge drop in the number of big, single-player narrative adventures – the games that provide a discreet experiences and then end. How do we keep those experiences alive?” he responded: “The audience for those big story-driven games... I won’t say it isn’t as large, but they’re not as consistent,” says Spencer. “You’ll have things like Zelda or Horizon Zero Dawn that’ll come out, and they’ll do really well, but they don’t have the same impact that they used to have, because the big service-based games are capturing such a large amount of the audience. Sony’s first-party studios do a lot of these games, and they’re good at them, but outside of that, it’s difficult – they’re become more rare; it’s a difficult business decision for those teams, you’re fighting into more headwind. “We’ve got to understand that if we enjoy those games, the business opportunity has to be there for them. I love story-based games. I just finished [LucasArts-inspired RPG] Thimbleweed Park – I thought it was a fantastic game. Inside was probably my game of last year. As an industry, I want to make sure both narrative-driven single-player games and service-based games have the opportunity to succeed. I think that’s critical for us.”“ that’s a far cry from single player games not mattering anymore. He still wants and supports them, but service based MP games make a bigger impact now. This point is further driven home by this report from the NPD on the top money makers on each console this gen. https://wccftech.com/npd-to... 9 out of 10 PS4 games and 10/10 xbox one games this gen are multi player focussed games. MP= Bigger impact. Some SP games have a big impact, but MP is king
If you read the quote, he's saying that it's getting harder to justify to investors that they should spend their money on those games, instead.of lower risk ventures like mp or service based games. While he isn't wrong on that, as it's an industry wide thing, he fails to mention that mp games are also inconsistent and not guaranteed for success. But when you couple that with their talk of service based games, and their desire to make smaller more intimate games(mid tier as we used to call them), it does make them look like they don't want to take more risks on the sp market. The new studio acquisitions don't really change their apparent intent from.what all has been said before, and Spencer himself hasn't said they're committed to bringing more high profile aaa sp games or ips ofnthe market. I feel that's the best assessment without cherry picking or over analyzing current events or the comments made line by line.
@Kirb "way to cherry pick." Cherry pick my foot, he said at E3 last year as much. Only now that Sony has been spanking him and xbox all over the place with their steller SP exclusives has Spencer changed his tune. Fact is if it wasnt for Sony's power house exclusives MS would still be pushing hard for gaas.
The second part he can't really promise unless he continuously releases after Sony. That sounds more like him telling people to wait and see what they have before jumping into next gen, and is only beneficial to try to snag the early adopters who aren't likely to wait, or will buy both systems regardless. They can't really just delay a few months to.make a significantly more powerful console, it takes more work than that, and they'll be sourcing parts at least 6 months before production begins, and production will begin at least 6 months before release. That means a year or more of Sony with itself in the market, and that isn't going to help them. MS needs to lead if they want to be in the lead, and do their thinvs they see fit. Not constantly chase after, and react to what Sony is doing. Most powerful console will only take you so far, and stuff like this just seems.more aimed at bringing Sony down, instead of lifting themselves up.
"They will release their console after Sony. Even if it is by a few months." lol.....I'm sure Sony will make sure to keep Microsoft in the loop as to when they are releasing the console. Cuz apparently redesigning an entire console, manufacturing the redesigned console, and shipping the redesigned console, all just to one up the competition.....all that requires "a few months". "It's not that hard to figure it out" Sure....you just want to spout bullshit, not hard at all.
Ah....yeah. Nothing says "I can't think of anything to say" like a two word snarky burp of a post.
Mark my words. If Microsoft makes an Xbox that super powerful, I will not buy it. If it comes with a quality, unique AAA that appeals to me then I will buy your console. Any that can compete toe to toe with Uncharted, TLoU, God of War, HZD or Spider-Man and you will have a customer in me.
@AngainorG7X “his commitment that from now on the Xbox will always be the most powerful console on the market” Yet somehow PS4 exclusives look better on a weaker console. Believe it or not it’s the games themselves that matter most. That’s why Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games, and Kojima Productions will have put out the some of the best looking games of the generation on a much less powerful console. A powerful console is important but it’s only half the equation.
"Phil Spencer Talks About the Future of Xbox" Whats new?
@inzo should he be talking about the past? Phil has been doing a great job to ensure the "future of Xbox" is better than what we got now. So I'm okay with him being transparent with us on what his plans are.
He's been talking about the future for the past 3 years, has yet to deliver anything but lies like the cloud was going to turn everyone's xbox ones to a mega-powerful machine that was 10 x stronger than base only to turn around and create the xbox one x with no games to show off the power. These 13 or whatever new studios have shown zero on the xboxone or x because they are working on games for the next xbox in a few years. Its been nothing but lies and empty promises with this guy.
Wait for E3 for new talk? Disclaimer: I make no claim as to which years E3 this will take place at.
Were always talking about the future of Xbox... because the NOW in xbox isnt much to talk about ever lol
Always the future. Just you wait. And I still look at Game Pass as "Paid Demo/Rental Service." Not only does it cut into retail, but also services like Redbox. But, of course there will be an uptick of gamers trying different games. It's $10 a month or less to try. Who wouldn't. But demos used to be free. And contrary to popular belief, you CAN play VR on the couch with a controller in your hand. I do it from a swivel chair when I don't feel like standing. Works just fine. When I feel like standing, I stand. High end tvs are fine. But I don't see gamers in front of it 20-40 years from now. Unless it's thin as a sheet of paper you can paste on a wall. But there will be glasses by then that are AR or VR that would simulate the same large high Def tv without taking up space. He is right about mobile. We all knew this though. You won't be able to replace a phone with a portable ever again. Not even Nintendo is safe. Which is why they did a hybrid. Phones are becoming very powerful while still offering cheap or free games with ads. That's hard to combat. As for growing their market, they better get out there. Unless they enter more markets and create a following like Sony and Nintendo has, they will always be in a secondary position.
"Always the future. Just you wait" Yeah because 7 studio acquisitions is something to scoff at. The Xbox One X was something to look out in the future at one point. Now its here and Red Dead Redemption 2 (amongst several other titles) slapped the doubters quite comprehensively. "And I still look at Game Pass as "Paid Demo/Rental Service." Just look at Netflix if you're struggling to understand what XGP really is. And why should I care if it cuts into retail and Redbox? "But demos used to be free. " Yet you pay for all your PSVR games. "As for growing their market, they better get out there." With 7 studio acquisitions in one year, and all the positive moves they are making and have made, you're going to have to employ some real mental gymnastics to argue that they haven't 'entered' into the market. They are in a force in the market, whether you like it or not, irrespective of their "secondary position".
Septic, psvr has free demos for some games that I can try before buying. Don't have to pay for it. You just made yourself look foolish with your mental gymnastics. You'll find out the hard way if brick and mortar ever goes away.
"Septic, psvr has free demos for some games that I can try before buying. Don't have to pay for it. " "You just made yourself look foolish with your mental gymnastics. " My point clearly went over your head. I'm talking about PSVR games themselves. I'll give you a moment to figure out what I'm saying. "You'll find out the hard way if brick and mortar ever goes away." I'm from the UK. They have already gone away.
With one exception, I play all vr games sitting down. I'm too lazy to stand up to at a game.
Yeah, because preferring to sit down and relax while playing games is slobbish. Guess we're all slobs then. I welcome my slobbering brothers in all denominations.
Has this guy not realised yet that their 'most powerful' bullshit only works (and then to a point) in the US? The rest of the world and more than half of the American consumer prioritise things other than the power of the console, you know, things like exciting new exclusives which create a buzz and make you want to be a part of that zeitgeist. Xbox turned their back on that 10 years ago, and the new studios they signed were, for the most part, already making exclusive content for Xbox; the only purchase that raised an eyebrow for me was Obsidian. But then, you look a the studios they have bought and ruined over the years and their track record is terrible, why anyone would give MS the benefit of the doubt is beyond me at this point, Spencer just talks, the shame shit for 5 years now, and nothing has changed in that time.
"Xbox turned their back on that 10 years ago, and the new studios they signed were, for the most part, already making exclusive content for Xbox." What studio did they buy besides Playground and Undead Labs that was already making exclusive games for them? Thats only 2 of the 7 they bought. Also remember that at a time Bioware was making exclusive games for Xbox until EA bought them. So it was smart for MS to grab Playground. Do you think all these studios are just going to sit on their hands? No new games at all? MS just bought them to shut them down? Lol
Why do you assume US gamers care so much about power? We like games just as much as other places.
Ill give Phil credit, always do, he has made xbone better but he is still pushing the streaming crap and as long as that is the focus of xbone no thank you not interested. Buying new first parties is fine but why the hell did you close the other ones then? Games, its great to be the most powerful but with out software its like having a v12 viper engine and no chassis to put it in....in short its cool but ultimately leads no where.
Xbox doesn't stream...? GamePass is a service that allows you download the games. They are coming out with streaming capabilities in the future, but that is more for other devices like phones or underpowered computers/laptops
You really are clueless arent you? Oh man cause downloading and streaming the games are so far apart couldnt possibly lead to a streaming service and no the streaming wont be just some portable device. If you think the next bone wont having streaming you're fooling yourself. Scarlett is simply the same plan MS had 5yrs ago they just learned they will have to do it slower.
I'm not saying it won't stream once they do come out with the streaming service, but most people who will have an xbox will probably opt to download the game vs. streaming. The streaming is more beneficial to the platforms that wouldn't be able to DL and play locally.
Phil has been making such promises over the last three years and not delivered but if they do with the next console, good for all gamers, Xbox and otherwise. This generation has been the worst insofar as exclusives are concerned for Xbox One - there have been very few. The purchase of studios is a good start but only a start as it depends on how these studios are managed and what they develop. Remember, Microsoft purchased some notable studios oreviously but which utterly failedto deliver anything worthwhile this generation while others were closed or amalgamated. Being the most powerful console is only a temporary condition as PS5 will be undoubtedly more powerful than Xbox One, and Microsoft's release (if later) will be more powerful than PS5 and so on.
Well im sure its not quick to realign an entire corporation division to get back on track. He has been making positive changes since he became the head of Xbox, but it was never going to be an overnight change where all of the sudden they're pumping out a ton of games.
All they have done lately is "talk"..
They just bought two more studios....
And "talked," about it..
Sorry man, but you don't get to redefine what "all" means in a sentence. You're not making sense.
Power means nothing. That’s been proven time and time again. It’s games that sell systems, it’s not rocket science.
solid interview.. enjoyed that.
Phil Spencer is so much better than all the other gaming leads for other companies. This guy is just pure gold and I see how he has climbed the ranks to being one of the Elite for Microsoft. Everybody wants to talk to Phil. Next Xbox wont be a media machine and it wont come with Kinect. Get your popcorn ready.
you know, they might have purchased all them studios, but just randomly buying studios won't make a difference if half of those games get cancelled anyways or cant deliver a great gaming experience.
Yes, they RANDOMLY bought studios with no thought. I despair at the stupidity at times.....
exactly my point haha. but, i guess u missed the point i was making. so, bless ya :)
If spouting BS was your point, you made it well.
Future looks very bright.. Cant wait
Phil, do us all a favour and go on a loooong holiday trip. First he said Sony moneyhat FF14 off of Xbone only to get dick slapped by the devs if FF14 stating it's due Microsoft crossplay policy and not because of Sony. Then he dares to play the victim, claiming Microsoft is done with 3rd party exclusives, that he ain't liking that and never was fond of it ... just to moneyhat TomB Raider for a year. He also the one claiming to put more focus in 1st party and less on third party since 2014! Nothing has changed, he keeps repeating it ... Another brain farts if his, that horizon zero Dawn and Zelda were a thing of the past, they didn't have the same impact as his beloved gaas games. Now he appointed playground to work on a RPG, backtracks during xo18 and suddenly is in love with Narritive driven singlyplayer games with good characters. During this interview he said, that he wants crossplay to work so that Microsoft band other developer can reach a bigger audience for their Gaas shitfest mtx ... He is worse than Don Matt. Now Phil is in charge of mopping the Microsoft store floor, while Matt booty is in charge of Ms studios and their output. That reads like he got demoted, there's also that ex tomb raider guy now doing sumtin Phil was doing. All I can hope is that dis Encarta employee gets shafted or let's hope he stays, because he didn't change anything. 2013 to 2105 Backwards Compatibility is backward thinking words by Microsoft. Crossplay FF14 Microsoft was against it ... Wish someone would already write an article how deceiving, misleading Microsoft this generation has been.
You know whenever i see an xbox one commercial on tv hyping up some 3rd party multiplatform game they always end it saying its plays best on xbox one, they never make it clear that which xbox one it plays best on. Thats some shady advertising because all multiplatform when it comes to base consoles play and look better on BASE ps4. Sure for the 3% they do play better on the xbox one X than both ps4's, but they make it seem like both xbox one and the X play 3rd party games best.
You caught their misleading behavior. Excellent. If others only saw that. I've always said they like to mislead, misdirect and sometimes outright lie if they can get away with it. But articles are never written.
I game mainly on the PS4, but I've gotta give credit where credit is due, MS has recently done one hell of a job at at least trying and turning their fortunes around. New more powerful system, BC program, meaningful system updates, acquisition of plenty new studios... Sony is only as good as Microsoft forces them to be with what's (most of the time at least) healthy competition. Now to see what games those 7 new studios are going to come up with.