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Phil Spencer Talks About the Future of Xbox

LevelUp: "We interviewed Phil Spencer at X018."

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AngainorG7X27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

13 First Party Studios and his commitment that from now on the Xbox will always be the most powerful console on the market, are the important things from that show imo.

sizeofyou27d ago

There is no way that he can keep that commitment though...because it all depends on who releases first and what the delay in the competition is...

AngainorG7X27d ago

They will release their console after Sony. Even if it is by a few months. That's the only way they can achieve that. It's not that hard to figure it out

UltraNova27d ago

But this is a factually incorrect statement by Phil and their fans snce PlayStation was the most powerful console, ps4vs xb1, then it continued to be that when the Pro came out, gave up the power crown to the xb1x until the ps5 that again will be the most powerful console...so in essence it's Sony that started this back and forth so its PlayStation that will always be the most powerful console first.

sizeofyou27d ago

And when the PS5 Pro releases? The X was a year behind the Pro (hence why it's now the most powerful console again). It's not that hard to know he can't keep that commitment either...

NewMonday27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

after getting Obsidian and Ninja Theory I'm starting to get exited for Xbox for the first time in 10 years.

now see it through Phil. you don't need to have the most powerful console, you need a regular flow of standout variety of games.

sizeofyou27d ago

@NewMonday
Never a truer word. The new devs are definitely a step in the right direction. And Sony has proven that strength of hardware alone is not the sole factor.

I hope they're working on some new and original IPs to compete with Sony's. Hopefully a few for my XB1X - and some for the XB2/X!

crazyCoconuts27d ago

They would always have to trail their releases by at least a year after Sony's, not just a few months, because it takes time to incorporate hardware changes and for the cost to start coming down to prevent them from being too expensive. They *could* keep that commitment, but I'm not sure it's a great strategy. Seems like always letting your competition lead with innovation and get a year headstart on you isn't something that intuitively sounds good, but I can see how you could keep a niche of users with that approach...

rainslacker27d ago

@Monday

Exactly, and to MS credit that appears what they're also trying to to.

Those games will have a lot more impact on a person's buying decision, because power gains are rapidly reaching a plateau, where the gains are not more abstract things...like raytracing or better shaders.

TekoIie27d ago

@UltraNova

"But this is a factually incorrect statement by Phil and their fans snce PlayStation was the most powerful console, ps4vs xb1"

What part of "from now on" was so difficult to understand?

Skull52126d ago

Every indication Xbox is going the way of PC. They’ll easily be able to have the most powerful console when they give customization options and not just a one size fits all mass market price point piece of hardware.

CyberSentinel26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

It will depend more on the budgets and the creative controls they allow their developers. They can have 1000 studios, it won’t make any difference if they cancel games, or handicap talent.

conanlifts26d ago

Unless they always release a very high Priced SKU with a huge amount of power.

rainslacker26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

@Tekolie

What part of when the PS5 launches that Sony will likely have the most powerful console don't you understand?

Do you think Sony's going to come in at less than 6TF?

Is MS going to release before PS5, or really soon after it? If not, then Phil will fail to keep his promise.

While I know that's not really what he's implying, that's what he's actually saying, and there is no way for him to keep that promise when he has no idea what the competition will do, and MS can't realistically keep trying to follow Sony's every move to keep trying to one up them. That isn't even in MS nature to do so, so I don't see them allowing their closest competitor to always make the first most. MS has allowed competitors get into markets and gain footholds which they couldn't shake, and doing that with Xbox just doesn't make sound business sense.

People aren't going to care if MS has the most powerful console when others are leading the market. MS will just be seen as chasing after Sony's scraps, and seeming more and more ineffectual if they take that route for the long term.

MS has had the most power console this gen for about a year now. That isn't anything to really say they're going to do better in the future.

UltraNova26d ago

Ohh TekoIie, you got so close, yet stil far far away....

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Inzo27d ago

"Xbox will always be the most powerful console on the market"

And yet the Switch is dominating the Xbox 1x. No use in having all that power and not knowing how to use it.

Also 13 first party studios and nothing to show for it.

Also, from now on always be the most powerful console on the market? You sure about that?

AngainorG7X27d ago

You try way too hard dude. We all know that Xbox failed this gen. The studios are new and they are in the hiring process. Ninja Theory will show what is working on next year. They are preparing for next gen. As for the power of course im sure. Phil said that on X018. And since they overdelivered with their promise on the X. They will do the same next gen, especially now that they have 13 studios making games.

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TheOtherMoon27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

1. Powerful and functionality (Xbox X v Switch) are two different components to look at. The X is more powerful than the Switch (as is the PS4), the Switch has more functionality than both PS4 and Xbox
2. They recently acquired a majority of those studios...I am curious to know what you expect this soon.
3. Please...the crossfire by both console fanboys trying to call the other out for hyperbolic statements is getting old. Hyperbole during conventions, trade-shows, interviews, Q1-conferences is incredibly common in all business, and is not exclusive to Microsoft.

ImGumbyDammit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

@Inzo

"And yet the Switch is dominating the Xbox 1x."
Not as a console but as a portable device sure I will give you that carrying around an X and playing it not ideal and the Switch is a better option to do so but, with the sacrifices that come with such a move. The experience of a console the X is the domineering force with Pro not far behind. But, if you want to be technical on dominating gaming then the iPhone dominates the Switch as a portable gaming device (actually just a gaming device in general). Just the fact that Apple is number 2 in global revenue of game sales tells you that and its yearly sale numbers are more than all consoles sold by over 9 times (217 million last year alone). "Well, that is not fair" you say. Apple to Oranges? So is trying to compare a device (the Switch) most people use to be mobile and play Mario games. They serve different purposes and different audiences. But so do true consoles and hybrid devices.

rainslacker26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

If the switch and X1 isn't a good comparison, how about the OGPS4 still outselling the X1 as a whole, X1X included? The margin is even greater when you include in the less powerful than the most powerful console on the market, PS4P.

Can't say those two consoles don't compete with one another.

MS needs to focus on the games, not the power. Make good hardware to run whatever the current gen of the time will demand, and attract people with the games. Do that, and they'll get a user base. Worked on the 360, worked for every Sony home console, it'll work for whatever they put out in the future.

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Inzo27d ago

"You try way too hard dude."

I dont have to try hard to state the obvious.

"As for the power of course im sure. Phil said that on X018."

Phil Spencer also said that SP games dont matter anymore. Dont believe everything he says.

Atanasrikard27d ago

@inzo

Here never said SP games don't matter anymore. Go home with your idiotic fanboy nonsense.

Inzo27d ago

@Atana
So I didnt quote the guy but here you go.

"You’ll have things like The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild or Horizon Zero Dawn that’ll come out, and they’ll do well, but they don’t have the same impact"

"Go home with your idiotic fanboy nonsense."
Says the fanboy.

https://www.google.com/url?... https://mspoweruser.com/phi...

Kribwalker27d ago

way to cherry pick.

when asked “So what about the games that don’t need to exist as services? We’ve seen a huge drop in the number of big, single-player narrative adventures – the games that provide a discreet experiences and then end. How do we keep those experiences alive?”

he responded:

“The audience for those big story-driven games... I won’t say it isn’t as large, but they’re not as consistent,” says Spencer. “You’ll have things like Zelda or Horizon Zero Dawn that’ll come out, and they’ll do really well, but they don’t have the same impact that they used to have, because the big service-based games are capturing such a large amount of the audience. Sony’s first-party studios do a lot of these games, and they’re good at them, but outside of that, it’s difficult – they’re become more rare; it’s a difficult business decision for those teams, you’re fighting into more headwind.

“We’ve got to understand that if we enjoy those games, the business opportunity has to be there for them. I love story-based games. I just finished [LucasArts-inspired RPG] Thimbleweed Park – I thought it was a fantastic game. Inside was probably my game of last year. As an industry, I want to make sure both narrative-driven single-player games and service-based games have the opportunity to succeed. I think that’s critical for us.”“

that’s a far cry from single player games not mattering anymore. He still wants and supports them, but service based MP games make a bigger impact now. This point is further driven home by this report from the NPD on the top money makers on each console this gen. https://wccftech.com/npd-to...

9 out of 10 PS4 games and 10/10 xbox one games this gen are multi player focussed games.

MP= Bigger impact. Some SP games have a big impact, but MP is king

rainslacker27d ago

If you read the quote, he's saying that it's getting harder to justify to investors that they should spend their money on those games, instead.of lower risk ventures like mp or service based games.

While he isn't wrong on that, as it's an industry wide thing, he fails to mention that mp games are also inconsistent and not guaranteed for success.

But when you couple that with their talk of service based games, and their desire to make smaller more intimate games(mid tier as we used to call them), it does make them look like they don't want to take more risks on the sp market.

The new studio acquisitions don't really change their apparent intent from.what all has been said before, and Spencer himself hasn't said they're committed to bringing more high profile aaa sp games or ips ofnthe market.

I feel that's the best assessment without cherry picking or over analyzing current events or the comments made line by line.

Inzo26d ago

@Kirb
"way to cherry pick."

Cherry pick my foot, he said at E3 last year as much. Only now that Sony has been spanking him and xbox all over the place with their steller SP exclusives has Spencer changed his tune. Fact is if it wasnt for Sony's power house exclusives MS would still be pushing hard for gaas.

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rainslacker27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

The second part he can't really promise unless he continuously releases after Sony. That sounds more like him telling people to wait and see what they have before jumping into next gen, and is only beneficial to try to snag the early adopters who aren't likely to wait, or will buy both systems regardless.

They can't really just delay a few months to.make a significantly more powerful console, it takes more work than that, and they'll be sourcing parts at least 6 months before production begins, and production will begin at least 6 months before release. That means a year or more of Sony with itself in the market, and that isn't going to help them.

MS needs to lead if they want to be in the lead, and do their thinvs they see fit. Not constantly chase after, and react to what Sony is doing. Most powerful console will only take you so far, and stuff like this just seems.more aimed at bringing Sony down, instead of lifting themselves up.

CarlDechance27d ago

"They will release their console after Sony. Even if it is by a few months."

lol.....I'm sure Sony will make sure to keep Microsoft in the loop as to when they are releasing the console. Cuz apparently redesigning an entire console, manufacturing the redesigned console, and shipping the redesigned console, all just to one up the competition.....all that requires "a few months".

"It's not that hard to figure it out"

Sure....you just want to spout bullshit, not hard at all.

CarlDechance27d ago

Ah....yeah. Nothing says "I can't think of anything to say" like a two word snarky burp of a post.

Vizigoth0427d ago

Mark my words. If Microsoft makes an Xbox that super powerful, I will not buy it. If it comes with a quality, unique AAA that appeals to me then I will buy your console. Any that can compete toe to toe with Uncharted, TLoU, God of War, HZD or Spider-Man and you will have a customer in me.

DarkVoyager22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

@AngainorG7X

“his commitment that from now on the Xbox will always be the most powerful console on the market”

Yet somehow PS4 exclusives look better on a weaker console. Believe it or not it’s the games themselves that matter most.

That’s why Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games, and Kojima Productions will have put out the some of the best looking games of the generation on a much less powerful console.

A powerful console is important but it’s only half the equation.

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Inzo27d ago

"Phil Spencer Talks About the Future of Xbox"

Whats new?

lxeasy27d ago

@inzo should he be talking about the past?
Phil has been doing a great job to ensure the "future of Xbox" is better than what we got now. So I'm okay with him being transparent with us on what his plans are.

ChasingTheSun26d ago

He's been talking about the future for the past 3 years, has yet to deliver anything but lies like the cloud was going to turn everyone's xbox ones to a mega-powerful machine that was 10 x stronger than base only to turn around and create the xbox one x with no games to show off the power. These 13 or whatever new studios have shown zero on the xboxone or x because they are working on games for the next xbox in a few years.
Its been nothing but lies and empty promises with this guy.

rainslacker26d ago

Wait for E3 for new talk?

Disclaimer: I make no claim as to which years E3 this will take place at.

nowitzki200427d ago

Were always talking about the future of Xbox... because the NOW in xbox isnt much to talk about ever lol

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Apocalypse Shadow27d ago

Always the future. Just you wait. And I still look at Game Pass as "Paid Demo/Rental Service." Not only does it cut into retail, but also services like Redbox. But, of course there will be an uptick of gamers trying different games. It's $10 a month or less to try. Who wouldn't. But demos used to be free.

And contrary to popular belief, you CAN play VR on the couch with a controller in your hand. I do it from a swivel chair when I don't feel like standing. Works just fine. When I feel like standing, I stand. High end tvs are fine. But I don't see gamers in front of it 20-40 years from now. Unless it's thin as a sheet of paper you can paste on a wall. But there will be glasses by then that are AR or VR that would simulate the same large high Def tv without taking up space.

He is right about mobile. We all knew this though. You won't be able to replace a phone with a portable ever again. Not even Nintendo is safe. Which is why they did a hybrid. Phones are becoming very powerful while still offering cheap or free games with ads. That's hard to combat.

As for growing their market, they better get out there. Unless they enter more markets and create a following like Sony and Nintendo has, they will always be in a secondary position.

Septic27d ago

"Always the future. Just you wait"

Yeah because 7 studio acquisitions is something to scoff at. The Xbox One X was something to look out in the future at one point. Now its here and Red Dead Redemption 2 (amongst several other titles) slapped the doubters quite comprehensively.

"And I still look at Game Pass as "Paid Demo/Rental Service."

Just look at Netflix if you're struggling to understand what XGP really is. And why should I care if it cuts into retail and Redbox?

"But demos used to be free. "

Yet you pay for all your PSVR games.

"As for growing their market, they better get out there."

With 7 studio acquisitions in one year, and all the positive moves they are making and have made, you're going to have to employ some real mental gymnastics to argue that they haven't 'entered' into the market. They are in a force in the market, whether you like it or not, irrespective of their "secondary position".

Apocalypse Shadow26d ago

Septic, psvr has free demos for some games that I can try before buying. Don't have to pay for it.

You just made yourself look foolish with your mental gymnastics.

You'll find out the hard way if brick and mortar ever goes away.

Septic26d ago

"Septic, psvr has free demos for some games that I can try before buying. Don't have to pay for it. "

"You just made yourself look foolish with your mental gymnastics. "

My point clearly went over your head. I'm talking about PSVR games themselves. I'll give you a moment to figure out what I'm saying.

"You'll find out the hard way if brick and mortar ever goes away."

I'm from the UK. They have already gone away.

rainslacker27d ago

With one exception, I play all vr games sitting down. I'm too lazy to stand up to at a game.

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rainslacker26d ago

Yeah, because preferring to sit down and relax while playing games is slobbish. Guess we're all slobs then. I welcome my slobbering brothers in all denominations.

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