Russian Gamers Outraged By Battlefield V Producer's Statement About USSR Inclusion

David Sirland apologizes for the misunderstanding after enfurious fans start #ApologizeforUSSR flash mob.

[Chaosdreams]

This game is a burning dumpster fire. They literally keep putting their foot in their own mouth.

[Inzo]

You mean "foot on their own throat"

[RacerX]

Battlefield V; when trying to please everyone, means no one is happy.

[sander9702]

Maybe he was referring to "DICE history" and not actual history.

[MasterChief3624]

Is a dumpster fire not already burning?

[Chaosdreams]

Touché.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Good job DICE one dumpster fire at a time

[TekoIie]

I will say I think some of this outrage is manufactured. The statement itself is absolutely retarded but the twitter accounts complaining are kinda inactive and have all decided to start talking about this controversy. Say what you want about Russian bots but this feels like its someone trying to manufacture a controversy.

Everything before this was largely legitimate outrage but this doesn't feel like it is.

[bigmalky]

I can't see Russia having that many betas that get offended, to be honest.

That's more of a western thing at this moment in time.

Probably manufactured by media for clicks.

[TekoIie]

@bigmalky

Just look at the English in some of the tweets. It's very broken english and no profile pics on all of them. That's not normal.

[MeteorPanda]

l get it and forgive - maybe caught off guard with his first reply but the second one is a bit true - russia was sort of the 3rd party in that war

[franwex]

Yeah, I get it too. But right now any negativity towards the game is moment for applause-sadly so.

[Loktai]

So here is the thing about Russia if youre talking about WW2?

They are the actual main combatant and lost the most people during that war. I actually have russian relatives and can speak the language somewhat. WW2 for Russia is the great patriotic war. They take it very seriously. Women and teens gave up school and their lives to sacrifice for that war... families were torn apart and a large number of those executed were russian jews. The war was so much fought on that side that there are still ethnic germans descended from prisoners of war who were later used as labor to build roads etc because of the huge loss of manpower the war caused the USSR through loss of life. If not for Russia the western allies had basically no chance of reaching Germany... but Germany was overextended thanks to Russia turning out to be a lot tougher than was anticipated. Now mind you Stalin was an absolute monster and made decisions that sacrificed civilian and military lives to keep the front line away from the capital, and to hold St petersburg (Leningrad) which Hitler was obsessed with getting. Basically 2/3 of the european fighting happened on the eastern front. Whatever you can say about USSR or Stalin cant be said for the average Russian / USSR citizen who sacrificed enormously to beat Hitler, and when the Russians reached Berlin FIRST (in spite of the allies actually delaying them on purpose by firestorming cities en-route between the russian forces and berlin) it was the soviet flag that flew over Berlin and ended the war for Germany.

The Pacific theater is another matter ENTIRELY and the USA was instrumental.

[MeteorPanda]

yeah how many of these deaths was from no gear for the cold? we all took losses and thats why no country wants to see ww3 ever happen.

[DemoIishor]

This is categorically wrong. Russia was the primary combatant in the war. They were invaded by the Germans in June 1941, almost 5 months before Pearl Harbor. They already had Germany on the retreat by the time D-Day was even being planned. They reached Berlin first. The list goes on. When it comes to the European Theater, they were the absolute primary combatant. American history has completely downplayed the U.S.S.R's role in the war to their benefit, which is a shame, considering Russia lost almost 52 times as many people than the United States and 13% of their entire population

[Darkborn]

I think EA is trying to lower their own stock to buy it all back up again..

[rainslacker]

But it up to resell it with micro transactions?

[gokublack]

Lol a game about ww2 where the true winner of ww2 isnt even in the game LOL.

[Keltech]

so the British were not "true winners?"

Goodness gracious people read a book and don't expect to learn history from a video game.

[TekoIie]

As Al Murray would say: "Not in the fight from the start, not in the fight at all"/s

[DarXyde]

Counterpoint:

Ni Oh is a really cool way to learn about Japanese mythology.

[2pacalypsenow]

Let's be real here.

It was a joint effort.

[Cobra951]

It was indeed, in Europe anyway. Russia did the really hard job of urban combat in Germany--block by block--during the endgame. They had 20,000 casualties in the Battle of Berlin. But they were used to taking massive losses by then, not letting those deter them. Germany's huge mistake was invading Russia. If they'd left it alone, history might have looked a lot different since.

[kneon]

Yes it was certainly a joint effort, but it was Russia that did most of the work. The eastern front was a bigger military conflict that all the rest of the battles in Europe combined. As Cobra951 said, had the Germans stayed out of Russia and concentrated all their efforts westward then the war would have gone very differently.

[Profchaos]

Elon Musk "watch me smile a joint on Joe Rogan and cost the company 9 million in stock losses"

Ea: "hold my beer let's make a WW2 shooter and insult an entire group of people while botching the technical aspects of the game"

Stock loss of the year has to go to ea

[LoveSpuds]

Thanks for your post squire, made me belly laugh for some reason, you are spot on!

[bluefox755]

Made me a fan of Elon Musk, they've recovered quite nicely since then. I should have bought Tesla stock, could have made a ton of money.

[franwex]

You should’ve shorted it when they were over valued, then bought it when Elon was smoking weed in radio shows.
Want to speculate right now, look at GE, then remember this comment next year.

[franwex]

Umm...ok. While it technically didn’t “switch” sides, it kinda did switch sides. Not the biggest fan of EA, but cmon. At this point people are just looking to get angry.

[Keltech]

this is propaganda that have been fed to the russian public. USSR was actually German allies and assisted with the invasion of Poland, until the Germans decided to annex Russian territory. That's when Stalin decided to join the western allies.

[Cobra951]

Russia was always on their own side. If you recall a certain Mr Chamberlain of England wanted to play nice with the Nazis too. Avoiding a war is a very strong motivation to enter some shady deals. When it becomes unavoidable, the claws come out.

[franwex]

Wars often are not as a Team A VS Team B. They tend to be more of a fluid affair. Often the real reason behind a war is just a bunch of “technicalities”. Let’s look at the American Civil War. While “technically” it was about states right, it was actually about slavery-they knew it too, let’s not kid ourselves. The Soviets while technically didn’t switch sides, they really did. Even though it was more of a “the Allied Powers” are advancing let’s advance too to crush the Nazis on this front-technically. After they were crushed they declared war on Japan. That’s also technically taking a side.

[MrCrimson]

yup, not sure what these other people are talking about. this is fact. i wouldn't call them allies though - more...of a "non-aggression pact"

[Teflon02]

The funny thing about all the negativity that's happened surrounding BFV. DICE and EA were completely correct about. They advertised the game as a game that highlights unique things in the war, it'll allow you to customize your game with things people don't know about the war. Things that havent been spoken about much etc. Then they specifically show an example. Then everyone cries saying that this wasn't in the war, that wasn't in the war etc. While DICE already explained that they're on the battlefield because they're honoring things that aren't as common and allowing you to customize with those things. People came talking about steampunk this, swords that, girl with robot arm et. Though harsh. Anyone who didn't understand the games artistic design is a whatever. But then people tried to question people who've travelled the world, spent millions on research, met some of the vets that people are saying weren't involved etc. All kinds of non sense are wrong about the things they said are in the war... They were right to call all the people ignorant fools imo. 1. I actually looked up every single complaint people had. It took less than a minute to find supporting evidence on DICE and EA's side that completely contradicts the arguments these history experts complaining had. Example, the samurai swords which was a early complaint. The Japanese army was required to always have a sword on them. Whether or not it was used and a specific man, I can't remember his name had gotten multiple confirmed kills using one. Girls on the battlefield. They were in sniper squads etc. The front line BS was a dumb argument because no one complains about being able to run around freely with a 50 cal. or any other sniper at that. etc. 2. Everyone hates the SJW BS until they can do the same to try convenience themselves. Always talking about it's artistic freedom and integrity. But what to be mad that DICE wanted to make a game where you can play with all the underappreciated aspects of WW2. This whole BF fiasco as shown me that gamers are for the most part selfish, people who's contradict themselves no matter what just to get it one way and JA's that need a damn life. I don't know a single person irl that got mad over such stupidness. They're actually people who care for a dev to have the freedom to make a game how they want. Don't get how you argue against SJW BS by saying BFV is all SJW BS when everything they added was based on real things and you want them to strip things out the game like SJW's apparently do lol. OKAY. That being said. I'm glad some people in the comment section are rational people

[Akarogg]

Oh for f's sake, you are so full of BS

[Inzo]

Shhhhh.... you hear that? Thats the sound of BF5 going down in flames.

EA and Dice are doing this on purpose, there is just no other explanation for it.

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

Nice logic /s

[Inzo]

I was being sarcastic at least in the second part of my comment but while you are questioning the "logic" can you give another explanation as to why they keep throwing petrol on an open flame?

[BondJames]

I hope this game fail HARD

[PowerControls]

There is nothing to apologize for...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

"There was also a secret protocol to the pact, revealed only after Germany's defeat in 1945,[90] although hints about its provisions were leaked much earlier, e.g., to influence Lithuania.[91] According to the protocol, Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland were divided into German and Soviet "spheres of influence".[90] In the north, Finland, Estonia and Latvia were assigned to the Soviet sphere.[90] Poland was to be partitioned in the event of its "political rearrangement": the areas east of the Pisa, Narev, Vistula and San rivers would go to the Soviet Union, while Germany would occupy the west.[90] Lithuania, adjacent to East Prussia, would be in the German sphere of influence, although a second secret protocol agreed to in September 1939 reassigned the majority of Lithuania to the USSR.[92] "

"At the signing, Ribbentrop and Stalin enjoyed warm conversations, exchanged toasts and further addressed the prior hostilities between the countries in the 1930s.[93] They characterized Britain as always attempting to disrupt Soviet–German relations, stated that the Anti-Comintern pact was not aimed at the Soviet Union, but actually aimed at Western democracies and "frightened principally the City of London [i.e., the British financiers] and the English shopkeepers".[94] "

"On 21 September, the Soviets and Germans signed a formal agreement coordinating military movements in Poland, including the "purging" of saboteurs.[126] Joint German–Soviet parades were held in Lvov and Brest-Litovsk, while the countries' military commanders met in the latter location.[127] "

[Keltech]

THANK YOU!!

Maybe these haters could learn something.

[Cobra951]

As I said above, Russia was always on their own side. They didn't care about who owned Europe, and they understood strong-man unifying dictatorship quite well. And as I said even further up, Germany's huge mistake was invading Russia. After that, all was lost for Herr Hitler. Allies: the enemy of my enemy--and all that.

[Akarogg]

Their even bigger mistake was declaring war on the U.S

[rainslacker]

So, a bunch of stuff that happened before the war, basically saying that Russia wouldn't interfere is Russia being axis? They went to war because Germany invaded russia, which was against the non aggression pact.

Agreeing to not be at war or interfere isn't the same as being on the opposing side. Every country has agreements like this with other countries.

[Shikoku]

It is when you agree so you gain from it. There is a reason laws have things like conspiracy and conspirators. If you are complacent in a crime like murder then you are seen as doing the crime. Russia was conspiring with Germany yes that makes them Axis.

[Akarogg]

@Shikoku

No. The U.S.S.R was never formally part of the Axis, they asked if they could join, but Germany said no

[rainslacker]

If inaction to participate, and agreeing to gain by not participating is illegal and a conspiracy, and somehow denotes collusion of support on the level of going to war, then I'd say that the US, and most nations of the United nations are just as guilty of doing what your trying to accuse Russia of being.

And no, conspiring to what happens to land after the war for the lack of participation in said war, does not make them part of the axis. Unless there is other evidence of them supporting the Axis powers with military assets or general resources that fall outside of the general trade which may have already been taking place due to their declared neutrality.

Russia wasn't neutral, but they also weren't part of the Axis powers.

[LoveSpuds]

I assume he was referring to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact where they Germany and Russia agreed to a non agression agreement (so Stalin thought) and also, to carve up Poland. Only when Hitler turned on Stalin did the Russians align themselves with the Allies.

He could have been more tactful in his statement, or at least a little more precise for sure. Ultimately, Russia featured in the original BF1942 on PC, I recall Kursk being a fantastic map in particular, so he simply could have confirmed they were planned or stated, they are not making any announcements on other nationalities just yet and leave it there.

[Shikoku]

Agreed

[Jayszen]

It is a silly spat but technically the dev is right. Russia and Germany did have a pact, the Molotoc-Ribbentrop Pact, which was a non-agression agreement between the two countries but which also laid out 'spheres of interest' of each country, effectively a division of Central Europe. Poland was attacked on two fronts in September 1939 - Germany invaded from the west, Russia from the east a fortnight or so later. Stalin suspected that Hitler would one day ignore the pact and attack the Russia and indeed Hitler attacked earlier than expected in June 1941, catching the Russians unprepared. Between September 1939 and June 1941, Russia was effectively an ally of Germany as Soviet foreign policy was highly crtical of the Allies and pro-German.

[Majin-vegeta]

Exactly people should go watch WW 2 in color.It shows basically everything BF V is about with the untold stories.

[Akarogg]

WW2 is color is mainstream

[Tankbusta40]

It was a Non aggression pact...not an alliance so the USSR never switched sides. The pact was simply to carve up parts of Poland on both sides, after Germany invaded, but there was no military alliance between the two countries.

[Jayszen]

@Tankbusta40

During the short period between September 1939 and June 1941 at a time when Britain was the only combatant nation in Europe still standing against the Germans, the Soviets were not much better as can be seen from how they behaved in Poland after invading it. Thousands of Polish officers and soldiers were murdered after they had surrendered. The Soviets were also highly critical of the Allies which aided German propaganda. But even worse and which in the minds of many historians makes the Soviets the official ally of Germany during the above period was the trade pact between the two countries that allowed Germany to obtain vital supplies from the Soviets, thereby effectively surmounting the blockade by the British Navy. The Soviets in return got military equipment such as planes and naval vessels as well as locomotives, engines, turbines and so on. The Soviets also provided the Germans with the use of a submarine base near Murmansk which allowed the dreaded German U-Boats to attack vital Allied shipping in the North Atlantic and which resulted in the loss of thousands of Merchant Navy seamen. By any standard, the Soviets aided Germany. Let us be clear about that.

[Relientk77]

Lol at this game and EA

[Bobafret]

Looks up "enfurious"....

[Akarogg]

I found nothing

[Majin-vegeta]

Hes right.Thats why stalin stood ground while DDay was going on.Had it failed they didnt wanna attack Hitler and anger him.It wasnt till Germany turned the table on Stalin that he decided to attack.

[Tankbusta40]

I hope this is an attempt at Satire...if not you sorely need to crack open a history book

[kneon]

I'm afraid it's just more cluelessness about WW2. Hint for Majin-vegata, D day happened in 1944, Germany attacked Russia in 1941. Back in 1942, the Russians wiped out the German 6th Army at Stalingrad, and that was just one of many major battles, I don't think Stalin was concerned about angering Hitler.

[Akarogg]

You idiot

[Rikimaru1977]

omg, they just keep killing themselves.

[PaleMoonDeath]

Somebody's trying to censor us, anything with harsh words against it around here is causing someone too throw a tantrum :P SJW crap. I refuse to support these SJW pleasing titles.

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

Its a video game. They aren't obligated to accurately reflect history.

[PaleMoonDeath]

Also can't be offended by the negative press that follows suite then.

[Akarogg]

Just as we're not obliged to buy that kind of shit

[FPS_D3TH]

Nothing sadder than gamers thinking a game developer could rewrite history. Virtue signaling at its best here. How long are we going to beat the dead horse of BFV being some dumb SJW statement. Such simple mindedness.

[rainslacker]

Enfurious. Good one. Go past the thesaurus and just make up.new words to describe how angry people are. That's the way to do it journalist.

[Smokehouse]

Enraged is probably what they meant lol. I work with a dude from Albania that says weird shit like that all of the time. I’m getting pretty good at decrypting him.

[rainslacker]

Yeah, I got the context. It's more in keeping with a trend I've been doing for all these articles we're getting about how upset people are about something that has happened. They keep using the same words, or some word that doesn't quite fit the nature of the outrage....such as say....the word, "outraged".

While there are plenty of synonyms for angry, outraged holds a fairly specific connotation to say just how angry someone is that I don't feel really matches the situation.

[dragonyght]

I think they let their historical revisionism gone way too far up their *** that what i say

[414gamer]

This got anything to do with actual gaming?

[Akarogg]

Actually it does

[Smokehouse]

Lol stupid.. This is why they did “their own version of WW2”. BF2 Dice was probably replaced with gender neutral millennials with zero sense of history. 80s British punk themes? Why not?

“Hundreds of gamers outraged on twitter” sorry but hundreds of gamers don’t matter in the grand scheme of things. They matter even less as faceless babies making hashtags.

Both parties in this made up controversy are ignorant.

[fingazblank]

I really like this game, the guns are much better than bf 1 for obvious reasons.

[Antifan]

So USSR is not even in the game, when they were the main contributors of WW2? But they have women with metal arms and hipster soldiers? This game needs to fail HARD

[iofhua]

I'm in the USA. I was taught throughout my K-12 education that the USSR was a bunch of dirty rat bastards that switched sides from the Axis to the Allies during WW2.

[seporith]

All these russions conveniently forget the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.

[HaVoK308]

Perhaps they should hire a PR company that is not full of SJWs. You know, people who speak to other normal people.

[Nodoze]

RIP DICE.

[DafunkyRebel]

Remember when people jeered COD IW and cheer BF1 and I told you all that BF1 was gonna fail? I was right and now you’re seeing that failure bleed into the next title

[The_Sage]

I watched a documentary on the horrible inhumane things that the Soviet government was doing at that time. It was astounding. I don't think Russians of today would actually be happy with a historically accurat depiction of what was happening then.

[MrCrimson]

Except the guy is right. Russia also invaded Poland in 1939, Stalin and Hitler had what was a "non-aggression pact" that neither intended to honor...but did so during the early goings of the war.

[tigertron]

Don't worry guys, this is game's story is an alternative reality with all the allied female bionic commandos.

[Master of Unlocking]

Damn some tweets. Better not stir up sh!t with the Russians I swear, lol. If only the French and other people had been as vocal with Battlefield 1 and its misrepresentation of WW1 (including its cover) ...