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Red Dead Redemption 2's high input lag may explain why it feels sluggish

Red Dead Redemption 2's controls and general responsiveness have often been criticised by players and critics, and the numbers agree.

smolinsk2398d ago

No way, all Rockstar games has this control scheme and a little clunkyness.

angelsx2398d ago

I can’t believe they hasn’t release update yet.Fix the lag and blurry graphics on PS4 pro and fake HDR.

HeisenbergX2398d ago

what blurry graphics on the Pro ? i'm playing on the pro it looks fantastic

LegendarySaiyan2398d ago

HeisenbergX: Some say that they have blurry background or something while playing on PS4 PRO with SSAA enabled.

I play on PS4 PRO as well and have SSAA enabled, but I can't see any blurriness. Though I have my TV's sharpness setting set on 55/100 so that might be why, I don't know :)

rainslacker2397d ago

Some displays don't handle their version of hdr very well. It's a problem with the meta data they used

salmonade2397d ago

Not all people are having this 'burryness' on the Pro. I'm NOT and have never had it once.

The 'lag' is maybe there or maybe not. All I know is that it is so frustrating when you feed your horse, and you try to do it again and nothing happens, then you have to do it AGAIN and it finally happens. I don't know what the problem is, but it really bothers the sh*t out of me.

KukwesGaming2397d ago

The blurry graphics are seen on large 4k screens. If you are playing on a 1080p tv or on a small 4k screen you will not notice it but it's extremely distracting when you do see it.

1nsomniac2397d ago

Rockstar have already publically acknowledged there is a problem with the graphics on PS4 Pro. It has also been proven by Digital Foundry.

Rockstar have announced they are working on a fix.

mikeslemonade2397d ago

Parity by PS Poor and Xbox 720p is the explanation for the high input lag.

supes_242397d ago

Lol, I’m playing on the OG PS4 and ther isn’t any blurry graphics. Lmao, good try tho. Someone throwing Bs out there without facts to back it up, all assumptions. Makes you look like an ass and it did

DrumBeat2397d ago

There are far worse issues than that. Such as, the train disappearing from the game world. Characters disappearing from camp.

Entire interactive aspects of the camp like Arthur's shaving kit, the ledger, the contribution box, and even tent tarps disappeared in Chapter 3 of my game and didn't reappear until 4.

The silly image quality nonsense can wait. Not to say it isn't a problem, but it pales in comparison to the game's other issues.

RedDevils2397d ago

maybe it down to having shit tv and not the PS4 pro or the game?

andibandit2397d ago (Edited 2397d ago )

@Supes_24

"Lol, I’m playing on the OG PS4 and ther isn’t any blurry graphics. Lmao, good try tho. Someone throwing Bs out there without facts to back it up, all assumptions. Makes you look like an ass and it did"

the issue occurs specifically on PS4 Pro,
R* are working on it: https://rockstarintel.com/r...

no BS.
Actual fact.
No assumptions.
only one person here looks like an ass.

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lelo2play2397d ago

How can it be?
Most reviewers claimed the game is a perfect masterpiece... with all those 10's across the board.

FunAndGun2397d ago

I have never seen a game scored so high, but need rules to 'play it properly'. Change these settings in the menu, take off auto aim, steer it like this, enter the button prompts like this, move like that. Eat and pet your horse after missions so it's less like a chore.
... it's a GOTY masterpiece if you play it like that, and if you still don't enjoy it then you are not playing it slow enough and taking in all the details.

thepluggy2397d ago

except Digital Foundry who actually said it was a botched job on the ps4 pro.

Flewid6382397d ago

So you admit it's there, but say no way? lol. I'm so confused.

smolinsk2397d ago

No way to it being input lag, just clunky controls, the way all Rockstar games are

n1kki62397d ago

A little clunkyness?!?!?!?! The game controls like trash and is super unresponsive. GTA V feels like the greatest controlling game of all time in comparison.

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moomoo3192398d ago (Edited 2398d ago )

11ms response time is still very, very fast.
Thats good enough to play an online fps, and most TVs are not giving you better than 15ms response time anyway unless u specifically get a low input-lag tv or monitor.

Also, turning off deadzone and aim acceleration in the settings can help with precision.

moomoo3192398d ago (Edited 2398d ago )

What response time do you think the 20million+ cod players are working with every year?? Most normal tvs are 20ms or more and they seem to do just fine, doesnt seem awful to all these people. Maybe if your doing keyboard/mouse on a 2ms monitor.

FPS_D3TH2398d ago

Good thing it’s not really a first person shooter then and just an option

RememberThe3572397d ago

The input lag is for movement not aiming. They didn't even test aiming in the video. Maybe actually click on the source when the article sucks.

Flewid6382397d ago

Only if you cant git gud.

Vhampir2397d ago

No it's not, 1 FRAME @60 fps is 16ms. So inRDR2 it's impossible to have anything faster than 32ms. The author either doesn't understand what they themselves have read or it's an error. RDR2 has 11 FRAMES of input lag, and it runs at 30 FRAMES per second. So it's around 350ms of input lag, not 11ms.

I don't think ANY ps4 game is under 4 frames of input lag either.

DerekTweed2397d ago

11ms is a frequency of 90Hz, it means that at 60FPS (60Hz or 16ms) you won't even notice the delay because the frames don't even change that fast.

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moomoo3192398d ago

TL;DR
considering this game isnt on PC, and most TVs struggle to get under 20ms response time, this number will not make a shit bit of difference to most of you

frostypants2398d ago (Edited 2398d ago )

Ssshhh. Need to let the technology muggles dust off the pitchforks from time to time.

-T9X-69-2397d ago

As primararly a PC gamer, I use a monitor for my PS4 and the first thing I do (even on consoles) before I play a game is go straight into the settings and adjust things to my liking. I'm not understanding the "sluggish" control issues people are having unless they're using the default. I've completely the game (currently at 88.9%) and the only real issue I've ran into is certain prompts not popping up. Using R1 to cycle through 5 prompts due to stacked bodies or tons of items never bothered me, but standing next to a bed and only the prompt to open the nightstand pops up, is rather annoying. But shooting, moving, running etc I have no issues with. It could be because I've been playing video games since the early 90s, but even if I take a break from any of Rockstars titles and go back months or years later and play them, I never have an issue with the controls.

dennigo2397d ago

you have no idea how response time works do you? the input lag adds to the already present response time of your monitor

RabbitFly2398d ago

Well I don't think this testing is very accurate to begin with. One would have to account for the baseline lag of the monitor itself.

But as Destiny 2 tested at 1ms one can assume that the 10ms increase of Red Dead Redemption would have to be added on top of the input lag of your monitor.

So most big screen TVs have a hard time getting below 20ms and if you add 10ms to that, we are starting to get into dangerous territory.

Now I am not saying this is a deal breaker, and I am not one of those hating on the game for it's less responsive controls. Most of that comes from design desicions and is a viable way to make your game/controls.

However 30-50ms is where people will start to notice the lag to a high degree. Unless of course they are accostumed to high input lag from before. I. e. People that play on 40-60ms tvs might not notice it as much. Some types of games are also much more sensitive to input lag. FPS is more sensitive than TPS f. ex. And over that one will find music and rythm games. These are, arguably, unplayable on even 30ms input lag.

moomoo3192398d ago (Edited 2398d ago )

Ah ok so this recorded input lag would be added on to your tv's number? that would be a problem since a lot of people game on regular TVs with bad input lag already. Im saying my 4k tv is 14ms input lag and i couldnt find any lower, so that 11ms number seemed negligable

MadLad2397d ago

Fake news.

I'd hate playing a shooter at that latency. Just saying.

I_am_Batman2397d ago (Edited 2397d ago )

Except that the game doesn't have 11ms of input lag to begin with. 1ms is 1/1000 second. That's not what the number on the display is showing. It's a frame counter meaning that it's not 11 ms but 11 frames which adds up to around 363ms of input lag @ 30fps.An average of 11ms is technically impossible to achieve under 90fps and even then it would need to have a lag of 1 frame. Even the most responsive games on console have around 66ms of lag (~4 frames @60fps).

11 frames @ 30fps is actually really bad though but it doesn't say much without knowing the display-lag of the monitor.

moomoo3192397d ago (Edited 2397d ago )

But in the article it says milliseconds and in the video it appears to be counting ms as well, tho he doesnt specify. Honestly not sure if its frames but i dont think so.

I_am_Batman2397d ago (Edited 2397d ago )

Well the article writer doesn't know what he is talking about. It's 100% frames not ms. Even if you know nothing about input lag it's easy to see.

Look at the video parts that aren't slowed down. If it were ms (meaning milliseconds aka a thousandth of a second) it would count 1000ms per second which it obviously doesn't even come close to. Then watch the slowed down parts it counts 1 per new frame meaning it counts the frames.

If it were 11ms it would easily be the lowest input lag a game has had on consoles this generation (probably even the lowest a console game has ever had). Like I said the most responsive games have just under 4 frames @60fps meaning ~66ms. In other words if it was anywhere near 11ms this article wouldn't exist.

So yeah it is 11 frames for a 30fps game which is extremely high. I have to say though that measuring the input lag with the analog stick is a bad idea because you don't take potential deadzones into account. If the deadzones are relatively large it might be that the game "only" has 10 or 9 frames of lag because it takes the player 1-2 frames to move the stick out of the deadzone. 9 frames would still be very bad but testing the input lag with a button connected to an LED would've resulted in a much more accurate measurement.

Imortus_san2397d ago

Its 11 frames of input lag and not 11 ms.
The game runs at 30fr per second, so one frame is 33ms, 11 frames of input lag are 11x33 = 363ms of input lag, that's way worse then the Tomb Raider got at launch (200ms).

Just see the video after 1m50s, it's there stating 11 frames of delay not 11 ms.

authentic2397d ago

It's 11 frames...not 11ms. Since the game runs at 30fps, one frame is 33.3ms. The input lag would be 33.3x11, which is 366.3ms. Atrocious. Quit giving out info if you don't know what you're talking about. My two cents, chief.

moomoo3192397d ago

Would assume your talking to the author and creator of the video, who both presented it as milliseconds, "chief"

DarkKaine2397d ago

You're on n4g. Of course everyone here has a low latency monitor. Also 11ms isn't great at all. I wouldn't be able to play smash bros melee with those amounts of lag. What you're seeing here is the result of either post processing or a way too low polling rate. Good responsive controls are the core of any solid action game. Bringing a wavebird to a smash tourney is a surefire way to raise some eyebrows.
It's funny how we get more and more delay over the years. Maybe they are preparing us for what we're supposed to expect when everything eventually runs from the cloud lol

moomoo3192396d ago

Its mostly new TVs and their post-processing effects that cause major input lag, thats why people still have smash tourneys on CRTVs lol

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Kabaneri2398d ago

I got killed by a random cougar like 10 times just because I couldnt draw and shoot quick enough.

rdgneoz32398d ago

Easiest way to deal with cougars (or panthers) is just run around on your horse. You'll see the red dot on your mini map from a good distance away (I've gotten mauled on foot without ever seeing a dot, but on horse they get spotted right away and marked). Either Dead Eye and tag it's head with a rifle while on your horse or if you get kicked off, immediately dead eye as you're standing and tag it's head. Cougars never attack you on your horse and will just stalk around you till you fall off and stand up, at which point they'll go and try to attack (though you still have a few seconds to dead eye a headshot). Hardest part I've had with cougars is finding a 3 star, everything I find is 1 or 2 stars (last thing I need for the last satchel)...

KukwesGaming2397d ago

you can dead eye with out weapon drawing and this is the best way to do it.

RememberThe3572397d ago

This is an article for haters damn it! Get the hell out!

TeamIcoFan2398d ago

I love how the rockstar fanboys are giving them a free pass for something they'd shred other games to pieces for.

AspiringProGenji2398d ago

Supposedly Uncharted has bad aiming mechanics but Rockstar games? Nah they’re fine. Pfff

TeamIcoFan2398d ago

I wonder what GTAV's response time is?
If it's half that of RDR2 then there is no excuse, Rockstar needs to fix this.

SierraGuy2397d ago

Controls are fun·da·men·tal

"forming a necessary base or core; of central importance".

How can something be considered goty when the fundamental base or core building blocks have been compromised?

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FPS_D3TH2398d ago (Edited 2398d ago )

Feels gr8 m8.

Git Gud

Laughable some of you “gamers” can’t even open an options menu to fix some of these “problems” you have with the controls.

InTheZoneAC2398d ago

exactly. It's like this in most game, people simply don't know what an options menu is. When I was a kid I would find myself always going to the settings first to adjust to my liking, now idgits need the game to do everything for them without an extra thought process.

FPS_D3TH2397d ago (Edited 2397d ago )

Right? It’s hilariously sad that people are getting upset about default settings and game movement that puts physics before anything else. I find it’s a mark of quality you don’t find in other games. It’s the trademark rockstar feel. Every input has a consequence, each step is in itself is a calculated movement. It’s as clunky as you are bad at the game controls. Over time you get better. Anyone remember how rough Max Payne 3 was the first time people started that game? By a few levels in and I was pulling off ballet like gun battles though.

Skankinruby2397d ago

I am no rockstar fanboy, not even a little bit. I've always found their games to be insanely overrated pretentious bullshit(Oh my GOD GTA 5). But RDR2 is fantastic, after all these years they finally learned how to write a damn script that doesn't make me cringe.

Flewid6382397d ago

Bully and RDR2 are the only Rockstar games I ever liked.

Didnt even like the first RDR and I tried it like, 3 times lol

InTheZoneAC2397d ago

GTA Vice City, San Andreas, 4, and 5 all had great campaigns

Realms2397d ago

The same reason Bethesda can't be bordered to upgrade their god damn engine, people making excuses is the reason for Fallout 4 feeling like a last gen game as does RDR2. All I know is that RDR2 is clunky as hell no way around it even tweaking the settings won't do all that much other than slightly improve things here and there. The game is good but damn there are even some nasty game breaking bugs that cut chunks of the game out. They need to patch this game up ASAP but won't because they are to busy counting how much money they will make with RDR2 online which is obviously their priority right now instead of patching the game for a better experience.

-T9X-69-2397d ago

The controls are subjective, but don't lie and spread misinformation. There is not "nasty game breaking bugs that cut chunks of the game out". There's a SINGLE bug that causes multiple NPCs to not appear in camp between Chapter 2 and 4. As in roaming around, missions for them are still all there. The "cut chunks of the game" is literally optional dialog between speaking to those characters at your camp. Nothing more, nothing less.

Realms2397d ago

My point is that there are issues that haven't been addressed and yet Rockstar is to busy with RDR2 online to fix these issues. I personally haven't had the bug that was found but there are likely more given how massive the game is so no I'm not lying, it's not just missing NPC's some people never get the tutorial for fishing that cut's that content out and there more bugs that set your horse on fire. The game does have issues even if you think they are no big deal.

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Red Dead Redemption 2 Hits 75% Off on Steam

Red Dead Redemption 2 is on an amazing on Steam. Be sure to use the opportunity and get an amazing game at a fraction of the price.

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Rockstar Quietly Increases Prices of Red Dead Redemption Games on PS4

Small price increase in the UK

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anast16d ago

It's going to be $80 on the Switch 2.

PRIMORDUS15d ago

Or free if you torrent both of them on PC lol.

fsfsxii15d ago

You could afford video games if you stopped commenting asinine comments here and got a job instead of stealing.

anast15d ago

"You could afford video games if you stopped commenting asinine comments here"

People have cellphones. They can work and squeeze in the 15 seconds to post a comment.

OtterX16d ago

Good sign that the PS5/XBSX version is coming soon at least.

neutralgamer199216d ago

Buy them when they are on sale. We just shouldn't be surprised anymore by prices hikes and or new games costing more. Simply speak with your wallets if you want these companies to pay attention. That's the only language they understand

raWfodog15d ago

The vast majority of the games that I buy are never at retail, always on sale. And usually it'll have to be a good sale too. At least 40% off. All this talk of increasing game prices rolls off my back.

neutralgamer199215d ago

same i like to pay $25-30 at most and even than closer to $25

Wh1teLightning16d ago

I don’t live in the UK and this makes no sense whatsoever. These games have been out for years shouldn’t they be going down?!? That’s not how you attract new players.

The_Blue15d ago

They don’t care about us. It’s the newer generation they are after.

QuantumMechanic15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I think this is a very apt statement. Game publishers appear increasingly to view their IP like books, music, and cinema---evergreen content that can be reprinted throughout its lifespan (until it enters the public domain). It's actually very reasonable.

CrimsonWing6916d ago

So this is how it works now? Old games get a price increase? This sh*t is completely getting out of hand now.

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If Red Dead Redemption 2 doesn't have Red Dead Online on Switch 2, keep it

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OtterX17d ago

Not just RDR Online, but also cross save progress. I'm not starting over w my nearly 200 hours of the online. I will however consider picking it up again if I can have a purely portable version of it.

OtterX17d ago

Lol, people really don't want me to continue my enjoyment of the online I see. 🤷‍♂️

I find it relaxing, living off the land, hunting/fishing. I'd legit play it again portable if I had it available in continuation of my progress. Not asking for others to enjoy it too.

tagzskie15d ago

legit question, is steam deck not supporting rdr online? because portable gaming is years old in pc community

OtterX15d ago

@tagzskie I don't own a Steam Deck. I have a Switch 2 ordered. Easy answer.

mkis00717d ago

What a hot take!!! Cut off your nose to spite your face much?

victorMaje17d ago

Can we get a 60 fps patch on ps5 already or is it too much to ask?

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