Destiny 2's latest expansion, Forsaken, on Xbox One, PS4, and PC failed to meet Activision's sales expectations and the DLC's ability to re-energize the franchise. This report comes from the most recent Blizzard-Activision earnings call.
Well cry me a river Activision! How about leaving Bungie to their own devices so they can listen to us and give us the game we want so, you know, we buy it to your heart's content next time?
What disturbs me about this article is how they paraphrase activisions comments about wanting players to be more engaging and purchasing microtransactions. Not a warning shot by any means with recent industry practices, but it's the last paragraph that gets me. "The next big update to Destiny 2 comes in the form of the Black Armory expansion in December, which hopefully will take the games sales numbers a little closer to their projections." I mean, have you ever seen a credible game site state or say they "hope" a publisher reaches their forecast projections for sales target? It's like literally saying, "we hope gamers purchase plenty of loot boxes to satiate publisher market expecations," regardless of the shady nature of microtransactions.
Are you really that surprised though? Whats the point of hiding anymore?
The shills don't bother concealing their treachery anymore. They're too desperate for a slice of games publisher peen.
Sure is disappointing to know Activision ruined both Bungie and Blizzard. Two great studios of gamings golden age, gone forever.
The author is a fan of Destiny so he wants it to do well so he can get more Destiny. He's another fanboy, same as all the fanboys who want their console to do well, and they compare sales figures in hopes that their console will get better exclusives and so forth. I played Destiny 2 free with PS plus and it was very meh. Was done in a few days only to realize there was no content, had to grind to unlock stuff which was repetitive and irritating, especially since none of my friends were playing it to make it interesting and worthwhile. It was just a microtransaction filled mess.
knowing Activision/Blizzard is losing money makes me happy … too many times in the past did I believe articles written to hype games so they got my $$$ before, but now that everyone can see the snakes for what they are I only hope they go out of business. Destiny 2 was just like the first where they broke a game into pieces just to slowly sell us each piece at a marked up price. Warmind & Osiris DLC where sold in a seasonal pass only to have both be devoid of content, then they market Forsaken with the price of an entirely new game …. (just like Blizzard who wants subscriptions) There is 1 company I hate worse than EA for horrid consumer practices and they should be closed by the BBB & CPB …. but they'll only do that after they go after those who write paid articles to lie to consumers and promote this garbage.
Yes brother yes, soon the dark forces with bring down the beast.
AllMightyFox - Warmind & Osiris DLC where sold in a seasonal pass only to have both be devoid of content, then they market Forsaken with the price of an entirely new game. They did the exact same thing with Destiny 1 and The Taken King. I have Zero sympathy for anyone who bought Destiny 2 before Foresaken.
While disappointing I got my money's worth and enjoyment out of it. I barely played anything else for most of D1 and D2's life and this last month has been the first time I have actually taken a break from this game.
Like others have said the time investment to dollar amount is more than worth the entry price BUT you hit the nail on the head. The smart thing to do would be to wait a year for them to get the game where it needs to be and buy it for the measly price of $40. Right now you can get the vanilla release, both expansion AND forsaken for $40. Now that is some content for the money. Too bad it is all possible because of the people that really like the game that dove in day one and now have to pay nearly $150 to get the same content. I am waiting until all the DLC is released and the complete package comes out.
Exactly right. I will buy it when the DLC releases and they sell it for a reduced price. As it is for someone who already owns destiny 2 and expansion 1 and 2 I think it is overpriced. For new players it is a good deal, but they need to drop the price for everyone else.
They're not losing money, just not making as much as they want, which is all of it lol. Acvtision/Blizzard is one the the top gaming publishers there is, and made billions this year.
"Some players we think are still in 'wait and see' mode. " I think the players who are not "engaged" are in a fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, mode. The model Activision uses for the Destiny Expansion is just downright ridiculous, it's practically mandatory if you want to play Destiny 2 in any meaningful way.
Yes exactly. People defend Destiny 2 by stating that Forsaken is good, but that's not the point. I'm sure it's good, but it costs almost as much as a full game, PLUS you need to have the base game. It's a blatant way to earn the revenue of a full price game just a year after release, and still looks like Destiny 1, for a bit more you could get a full game.
Not anymore. I believe you buy forsaken, you get everything.
@gleepot You only get everything if you buy the bundle, which is the price of a full game, $80 in Canada. May be worth it for people who never got D2 last year but for anyone else you either rebuy the damn bundle, or pay $55 just for Forsaken. It's ridiculous pricing.
@spicelicka - even if you owned D2 it was 80 cdn for foresaken because they forced you to buy osiris and warmind. 55 was if you had D2 + osiris and warmind. I didn't buy forsaken for 80 and i haven't missed it
They make so much money and want continued engagement yet barely release any extra content unless you pay for it. They should be adding new content, extra story missions etc frequently, without cost. This would keep players coming back, they would sell more dlc and people who bought the expansions wouldn't feel as ripped off by its lack of content.
I thank the universe everyday that I broke free from the addictive grasp of Destiny 1 back in July of 2017. I never bought a single unit of in game currency nor did I make a micro transaction but I did buy every "expansion". I will not be too harsh on the game itself because I did derive hundreds or thousands of hours of enjoyment though it was through uninspired, mindless repetition. I have no such qualms fully criticizing Bungie and Activision for their lazy, money gouging re-skins and less than fair loot box algorithms...but I got out and I learned my lesson.
It's basically a hidden subscription fee, considering once expansions are released, they will lock you out of content you were able to play prior. Honestly, Destiny should just be turned into a full blown MMORPG.
Publishers need to understand that the gamers are the customers. They might be selling something game related but it doesn't mean we are going to buy it. This will get a lot worse for many publishers trying to milk the customer for every penny they have with microtransactions, expensive DLC and season passes. People are wising up to their tactics and will just stop buying their games.
Are they really wising up? With how much money Fifa microtransactions bring in, I'm not so sure. Destiny 2's problem is the original game was mediocre. The microtransactions are so pointless that not many people buy them (Which is good for everyone other than Activision.)
Seems like GaaS games aren’t as lucrative as good ol’ regular single player narrative driven games, huh?
Yeah, I mean Activision can only dream of the sales of Spiderman or RDR2.I am proud that Sony and their studios deliver these breathraking single player experiences and are commercially very successfull ! GaaS and F2P must die.
Not surprising, out of all my friends/clan members who I played the original Destiny with and D2 at launch, only two bought Forsaken. After how year 1 Destiny 2 went, what were they expecting? You don't screw over your fanbase like that and then expect them all to bend over just in time for the next DLC. Reading into this though scares me. "Engage the playerbase" seems to be the new fancy term for ramming microtransactions down our throats. I almost feel sorry for Bungie or rather would if they didn't make a deal with the devil. From the sounds of things, Activision's plan to ruin Bungie and welcoming them officially to the Activision family is progressing along smoothly.
I left D2 after Osiris and Warmind. Foresaken has brought me back in. The game is night and day from year one. It's like they finally listened to the player base and made the right changes,
Activision and EA should just merge so we have one supervillian to fight against lol.
hahahahaha! It's a free-to-play game with decent graphics for 140 usd, of course it didn't meet expectations. Not to mention, they burned the community by putting a fucking dollar store at home-base.
I've gotten everything from the dollar store well before they release new content without spending an extra dime. And to be fair all the content can be had for $60 or less now.
To be fair, not where I live. The base game is 60 usd and Forsaken is 40 usd, and you still don't get the whole experience, but for around 40 extra you can. And does the dollar store still sell shaders that you can only use one time? Why do we need a dollar store in a full priced game?
Universe looks good, but the gameplay bored me.
Hey, there is always Destiny 3. Then you guys can take this ride again.
When I buy a full price game I expect that to be. A full game. I've a feeling they keep hold of content to sell later on. All dlc should be optional and not advertised within main game. Look at destiny the base game has forsaken plastered all over it. In comparison dying light dlc is chosen from a different menue that's how it should be. I have publishers that lower your base game etc
everybody on the planet knew that beforehand. except for some detached decision makers with no clue about the market. *shrugs*
With the misstep on diablo mobile, lower than expected earnings with the Destiny Expansion this will cause Activisions stock to tumble even more it may even trigger a shift in gamers and the industry which it sorely needs. The bubble has reach critical mass there is a point where no more grow is possible and I think gaming has reached that point.
Did not meet sales target...I would say a large amount preordered it back when D2 released. What were they expecting, 100% return rate?
WW2 reached $1 billion and still was 'below expectations,' same goes for this game, which beat its predecessor in less than 3 months after release, and BO4, which opened to $500 million and still didn't 'impress' investors. Those greedy shitfucks...
Lol what happens when you fail to meet fans expectations. Sure the expansion made the game better but the damage was already done. Now make destiny 3 a great game for the d1 fans, a proper sequel.
Activision is blind
Good. I deleted every single person on my friends list who was still playing Destiny. NEVER again. Never
Pretty big fan of Destiny myself but I will be waiting for the entire collection to drop at a fraction of the cost. No sense in paying top dollar to keep playing when I can get it down the road. Sorry man but another $40 content drop followed by another 3 paid DLC drops. Pass, until the "Ultimate Edition" releases. Also it should be worth noting that it shouldn't take an entire year before the game finally finds it groove. It happened with D1 and it happened again, seems a little deliberate if you ask me.
Gee I wonder why there is only a finite amount of time and money gamers have to spend so when you try to shaft them over and over it's no wonder why they turn on you. This article is pure BS this is why many gamers don't trust game reviewers or games media in general IMO they are too cozy with publishers to remain objective and critical. That leaves us gamers to keep a watchful eye on the practices and tactics these greedy mofo's use.
That's what you get when you only milk dry the people, that's the only vision they have.
Womp womp! Ain't getting any more money outta me, Bungie/Activision. I bought D2 + Season Pass and was sorely disappointed. I can't in good conscience give them any more money for this franchise. Enough is enough.
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