Are subscription services the future of gaming? Square Enix certainly thinks so, as they're looking to subs to support their core games.
Stop...Square Enix...what are you doing Can you imagine their online focused Avenger project? Good grief.
I am very curious (and a bit afraid) to see how the Avengers game turns out.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say, trash.
When gamers have to choose between paying all of their subscriptions or paying their rent...
Enjoy, That's sooo 2020s...
FF7 Remake now requires purchase of 3 parts to complete with ongoing subscription. You heard it here folks. Haha....
didn't they originally say it was going to be 3 episodes or parts?
Im not sure if they oficially said its 3 parts, but they hinted at it.
Yes but after Hitman's...episodic(full pan intended) experiment I thought they'd reconsider but SE being SE this shit comes up...oh well gaming is going to hell it seems.
Get used to this we are seeing the future before it happens and this will lead to market crash like it happened before Nintendo jumped started it. Greed is gonna lead less quality and more quantity
Seems to working well for Xbox Game Pass and EA. Here’s the thing, if all theses companies start there own online service, then why would they put their games on Xbox Game Pass, when they could keep all the profits for themselves? 1st Parties are going to have to build libraries of their own games, if they want to survive, when that day arrives.
Cyber This can't go on like this right now too much greed in the industry and sooner or rather this bubble will burst COD black ops 4 made 500 million dollars in 3 days yet Activision shares went down 7%. These share holders want more and more but every game isn't gonna become hit especially in yearly releases
WTF is going on with literally almost all gaming companies lately? Are they all collectively trying to kill the industry they belong to?
It looks like that just look at blizzard saying most of their best devs are working on mobile games
We have too many multi-billionaire companies controlling 95% of the market. That is the reason why. There is no heart in developing games anymore, for the most time. This is also the reason as to why good games nowadays, are as rare as they are. I'm prepared to throw all my money on games with a solid story, game mechanics, a reason, feel the love of the developer. Not these polished turds that come out of their house after one year.
Xbox Game Pass and EA Access are doing well, but I don't think Square Enix has enough games to support a subscription model.
I dunno -- if they included the full back-catalog back to the SNES days, I'd sign up.
It would be a helluva lot more tempting if it included their full back catalog plus the games not released in the US, like Seiken Densetsu 3.
Square has more games in their portfolio than MS has to offer on Game Pass at any given time. Their own catalog can match Game Pass, and it's possible these other publishers can start to license 3rd party content as well. Square Enix is probably the most prolific publisher out there in terms of actual catalog is concerned.
Square isn't a platform holder like microsoft is, so they don't have near the 3rd party support that they have. Game pass works because of the 3rd party games that are on xbox, not cause of games in the their own portfolio. A square game subscription service would be a mess.
And if all these third parties decide to make their own streaming services, how many of them are going to license their games to me for theirs? While what you say is true, there would be nothing that prevents square from licensing those games as well....again, assuming these big publishers are trying to leverage their own services.
It seems like every major developer and publisher will eventually go this route.
No just the stupid ones. At first most MMO's were subscription model. Only a handful of them were able to make it work, and two decades later there are a whole lot of MMO's out there and the vast majority of them are free to play. The same thing will happen here. I don't see it working as a service. This is just a evil plan to extract more $ out of gamers, and we're not stupid. Square will quickly find out that most of their sales aren't from devoted fans who gobble up every title they poop out. Most of their sales are from casuals and RPG lovers who buy the occasional title that looks interesting. These people aren't going to subscribe because they aren't enraptured with Square's entire lineup and know they'll be paying more $ in the long run. To be honest I think it's about time a few AAA studios get knocked down a peg or even crash and burn. There are a lot of good small studios and indies out there who could fill the vacuum. "games should cost more than $60!" "games should be sold as a service!" "games should have more micro-transactions!" "Lootboxes aren't gambling!" "Give us more $!" How about you reign in development costs? How about you spend less on advertising? How about you hire less people? Seriously lately it seems I enjoy indie titles more than AAA titles. I think there's a bubble that's going to pop and it's going to make a lot of developers very unhappy.
"Only a handful of them were able to make it work, and two decades later there are a whole lot of MMO's out there and the vast majority of them are free to play." I think that is a different comparison then what is happening here, sure a lot of companies changed the MMO model to F2P but all they did was change how they get revenue and instead of a subscription they just bombarded their games with microtranactions, ads and other types of revenue soul sucking offers. "How about you reign in development costs?" I agree with this, I don't know how with tech getting more expensive but i feel developers need to find better ways that doesn't cost them millions to make one game and have to rely on first week sales in order to just break even. Better tools, better engines, better development cycles? Don't know but it does seem like something this industry should focus on. "Seriously lately it seems I enjoy indie titles more than AAA titles." They have definitely been few and far between and most of them are not doing anything different than what we played last gen, just bigger worlds and more fetch quests. "I think there's a bubble that's going to pop and it's going to make a lot of developers very unhappy." Something needs to come and shake things up that's for sure.
I agree with you. These Subscription services are getting out of hand. It is bad enough you got Netflix, Hulu, YouTube Red, DC Universe and soon to be Disney streaming services. Hardware Vendors can barely get this to work. I hope it blows up in their face lol.
It's gonna happen; Hardcore gamers are the vocal minority. You guys downvote it all the time because you don't like it, but it's pretty obvious where the industry is headed regarding the biggest studios. Always online, mobile, MT, GaaS and subscription services. Even Nintendo is going in on mobile titles. Sony is still pumping out lots of single-player experiences, but I can only guess they'll get on board as well once Amazon goes all in with their gaming business. Companies want to make the most money with the least risk. I'm glad I like indies lol.
And we should be happy about it just because it's coming? that's the dumbest comment I've ever heard. We've all known that MT were going to become what they were, back when horse armor first reared its ugly head. We've spoken out against it, and people said get used to it. It came exactly how people said it would, and its gotten worse than some people even thought. If you want to just sit there and not complain, then go ahead. It's that kind of attitude that ends up making all these things that people don't like come to pass, and its that kind of attitude that just keeps driving the products we buy become less and less something worth buying. The traditional market is being driven out by force, because of greener pastures. Leaving one player base behind is not a way forward, its just greed. These kinds of services are going to lead to episodic gaming, less big AAA games being made, exclusive content to try and get people to sub to these services, and ultimately, nothing good except for the publishers, but even then, some of those publishers are going to get driven out of the industry, because it will end up being only the big boys who can market enough to make them stick around, and after all these other companies leave the market because the traditional market isn't there anymore, these publishers have less and less influence to make good games, leaving us with Activision and EA's vision for the future.
Whoa thats some crystal ball you got there. 'You guys downvote all the time because you don't like it' must mean you don't downvote and are part of the problem tbh. Publishers and devs can only get away with it when people buy it and sometimes gamers actually have influence over the bullcrap like with Battlefront 2 and a certain xbox one console for instance. You make it sound inevitable when it clearly doesn't have to be so long as people vote with their wallets. MS tried the always online drm crap at the start of this gen and look how that turned out.
The issue is Square, largely being an RPG maker, is now - officially - making DLC a primary revenue source. That they've seen no harm in putting side-stories into FF15 and are even going so far as redo its ending. Nevermind putting story elements and details in separate media. They've been gone since FF10-2 as far as I care, but this the official death kneel. All that's left is for the body to drop. "Something needs to come and shake things up that's for sure." At this point the only sign of shake up will be Square closing it's doors while the CEOs and lead devs like Nomura bailing out on golden parachutes.
"no just the stupid ones" Exactly
Only the greedy multiplatform ones.
Imagine KH3 having a subscription
Wouldn't be surprised. At the very least, we're going to get a lot of DLC I bet.
That’s pretty much a given considering how many Final Mix editions there are in this series.
i don't think any included DLC as they were all from PS2/3/DS/PSP era. But they got remastered twice. Then another coming later with Dream Drop distance being bundled in. I guess by that logic, they're capable and expected of doing so. But none of those were subscription models..
Well obviously Final Mix wasn’t released as DLC. My point is that the content you’d see in Final Mix back then would be delivered now as DLC
Thank god we're getting it soon. If it'd been delayed much longer, I doubt the game would be so complete.
People like delays though, it makes the game more polished.
A game pass for games that never come out ?
mmm see, the thing is Square Enix, while you got me in the trap that is FF15 (A game I both love and am also pained by) once your next (and final) batch of dlc is released, I'm done. I will not do the same thing twice. FF15 was a incoherent mess of a story upon release. I will not subscribe to that disparity in quality control again. If you can't manage to release a complete product (and not your definition of complete) I will not hand over a single cent. Live service model? Subscription based? All that says to me is "let's trickle out content for an incomplete game." Heck, Assassins Creed Odyssey actually has a better handling on it than FF15 did. If, and this is a huge if, you are able to release a fully fledged bulletproof experience and then decide to add more content to it over time, by all means, I'll accept that.
So, about that batch of dlc...
Ugh, I know. lol. I can't even anymore. I'm disengaging from SE for a long, long, long time.
If every major publisher moves their games onto a subscription service, they are going to be worse off. Do they really think we are going to sign up to all of them?
Somehow they are failing to learn from TV. While one more centralized platform (Netflix) helped curtail piracy, the proliferation of TV streaming services has led to a rebound in piracy. While I can't say if piracy will be the result in the games industry, it is true that a single, strong subscription service (I.e. Game Pass) is a good thing, while a number of subscriptions specific to each publisher would be terrible.
While I'm not for every publisher going this route, I can actually understand how none of them want to be the ones that aren't on the forefront of when this starts becoming a thing. Since this is going to be pushed hard in the near future, they'll all want to be part of it, and they'll all want to be one of the major providers just to secure their own place in the market. Those that don't, are going to end up having to be at the mercy of those that are. The only thing we can hope for, is if a few rise to power, then the others double down on the traditional market, and if we're lucky, it'll outpace these sub services making those providers who neglect the traditional market behind in influence....but i don't think that will happen.
Kingdom Heart 3 worlds DLC. $9.99 for an exclusive Keyblade pack, $9.99 for Moana, $9.99 for Coco, $9.99 for Incredibles 2... Or pay monthly for their subscription and get the DLC's included as well as classic Square games.
I wouldn't mind buying DLC if it's decent and the core game was a full and fun experience right off the bat, having said that, I wont be buying junk DLC.
They lost all their talented devs years ago.
Everybody wants a subscriber
I wonder in what shape gaming will be in 10, 20 or even 30 years from now.. I will probably be done by then, thank God.
It will all be streaming in 10. 20 years, all VR. 30 years, hopefully Sword Art Online xD
Where is FF7?? "Tetsuya Nomura, the legendary Square Enix producer, is about to start work on Final Fantasy VII Remake – despite the game being announced and even demoed three years ago. The infamous industry veteran admitted during a closed event as attended by Famitsu and translated by Gematsu that he’s been focused on Kingdom Hearts III, but is almost done with that title now." It's going to be years....
Well, they pretty much canceled the version that third party was working on and had to start all over. Gonna be another 10 year nightmare lol. It doesn't even seem possible with current gen consoles to recreate that game with modern demands. The story took dozens of hours before with basically complete linearity. Midgar alone could be an entire game now.
Maw-ha-HA-MAW-HA-HA-HA...! Goodbye AAA games industry. You will not be missed (by me).
They're not going anywhere; These companies are just gearing up to consciously ditch us (traditional, non-casual gamers) as customers in favor of more casual markets once everything is mobile, subscriptions and streaming. It seems painfully obvious to me.
They are going somewhere, its just going to take time - decades - and result in more creative damage along the way. AAA publishers such as EA Activision and Square are corpses and husks. Literal living dead. Eventually infecting and corrupting any and everything they bite into.
Heck yeah, that sounds...like a crappy deal. Don't think I want any part of that. I don't like the way the industry is moving. It really seems like these companies are trying to force this stuff on us. "Like or it not, it's happening. Just TAKE IT!"
Don't you people have money? Reference to the new meme of how to dismiss your userbase...not an actual insult to you.:)
Blizzard going Mobil, Square-Enix going subscription base and Microsoft Pushing streaming like it wasn't a thing towards the beginning of this generation along with now Google Stream beta. At this rate only Sony can even Nintendo can screw up royally but going down this route. Nintendo always behind the power curve and living in last gen technology era. Can't fit Red Dead 2, Assassin's Creed, COD or Fallout on Switch just the little cartoon games. Which is fine I mean it caters to little kids anyway much like VTech toys. It's a huge market. But Sony needs to stay dedicated to it's Fanbases and with what we live. Good AAA story driven games. Strong 3rd party support. Downloadable/Streaming able content. Continue to mold VR. And hopefully for PS5 some form of true backwards compatibility.
What happens if the entire market DOES move towards all that, and Sony gets left behind? What if huge companies like Square Enix, EA, Ubisoft, etc, all want their games on streaming services and companies like Google, Amazon and Microsoft (who all have very deep pockets) start paying or offering good deals for exclusivity, and have superior platforms regarding that? If that ever happens, would there be a content shortage on a Playstation? Future technology is going to be wild, and market/pardigm shifting.
If Sony does get left behind then by that time I'm guessing Sony doubles down on their first party studios. So that games release periodically. And also PS Now continues to grow their library and grow with new technology.
Hell...at the rate its going, Sony and Nintendo would be good to stay where they are, because they're going to end up being the only ones left in the market where you can release AAA games in the traditional method. I think if some publishers want to chase after the bigger numbers, let them. Let those that care about making better games that mean something, and are remembered more than someone might remember Angry Birds, gain the glory for their efforts. Steam can continue on PC, and all those other publishers can end up being seen as people see most mobile games now.
So long as it remains an option, I don't care. But realistically, are we really wanting a future of subscription models where every company has its own? Where to get the best there is to offer, you have to sub to each one? Are they going to go the Amazon, Netflix, and now CBS All Acceess Route, coupled with the numerous paid channels like HBO, Cinemax, and Starz and start making exclusive content that can only be accessed through those services? This kind of thing is seriously getting kind of stupid, and I just don't trust these publishers to stick to it as an option, and can easily see them doing more and more to try and screw over the traditional customer to get more constant revenue. How many services can one person realistically sub to every month or year, and still keep money moving around the industry. As big publishers go this route, it makes it harder and harder for other companies to break in without the use of something like Steam, and the consoles' own store fronts. And it will end up happening like that. I'm not even speaking hyperbolicly, but as a given, because publishers are proving that they aren't worth trusting.
"For their sakes, here’s hoping Square Enix can come up with a subscription option that gamers find appealing, because the company is struggling somewhat at the moment. Their current fiscal year, which kicked off at the beginning of April, hasn’t been going terribly well, with Shadow of the Tomb Raider and the company’s mobile and MMO businesses underperforming. Granted, Square Enix will probably still do okay this year due to Kingdom Hearts III, but one of those only comes around once every decade or so. There’s no denying they need to shore up their core business." They seem to forget that Square also owns one of the most actively played/subscribed to MMO's on the market: Final Fantasy XIV, which has already received major amounts of content this year alone. Not to mention that Dragon Quest XI also sold/shipped over 4 million copies already to this date.. This isn't shocking. EA's pass isn't bad. Xbox Game Pass, also not all that bad. PlayStation Now? It's getting there. These are just optional avenues and I hope Square Enix follows suit. I love their games, but I also love to own my games and not have games as a service.
People often misunderstand, or willfully ignore, that not meeting quarterly or yearly expectations isn't the same as being in a situation of financial struggle. I don't really know what SE current financial situation is, but somehow I don't think they're really struggling to do anything. Personally, if they stay optional, and content isn't restricted to them, then have at it. More options for more people is good all around. But this kind of stuff often seems to end up blowing up in the consumers faces, while the publishers make more money, with less effort....which is why I'm not that keen on it. PSNow was cool on it's own, because Sony was clear that it was going to be an optional service for people who didn't own the console, but the console players could use it of course. These other publishers seem to be pushing it in a much different fashion, and hoping on this streaming bandwagon as if its some sort of new trend...when it was never even a fad to begin with. It's really hard to take any of this seriously being a PS fan, and having watched PSNow be ridiculed for years. I understand the publishers viewpoint, but even disregarding the ridicule over PSNow all these years, it just seems kind of dumb for all these companies to be all about new services, when they didn't seem to care that much before.
Good luck with that, some people might be silly enough to fall for that, but I definitely won't. If you're base game is crap (e.g. FF15), then I certainly won't be buying the DLC or season passes. And I won't buy a subscription, the only subscription I've been considering is A Realm Reborn and even then, I've erred on the side of not bothering because I haven't been able to devote enough time to gaming to make the subscription worth it (work has been really crappy for a while now). Micro-transaction and loot boxes? Again, I'm not buying into that and I implore everyone else not to do it. How many companies have not copped a back lash from following this model?
This is TERRIBLE news..this was expected from EA,Activision and Ubisoft.guess I was hoping the entire industry wouldnt try to take this bullshit route
This is disappointing news. I only want them to make a full fledged final fantasy 7 remake and now this is getting in the way of it. Seems like a 60 dollar ff7 remake is too much to ask and they're going to sub it out to me. If that happens I won't know what to do because I want FF7 but if i'm paying a sub that's a lot to ask.