'Red Dead Redemption 2': Killing KKK Members Will Not Lower Your Honor Level

If you're on the honorable path and worried about taking a hit to your honor meter (a dozen murders would be a substantial hit), well, you don't have to be, because killing KKK members doesn't lower your honor, making them the one exception to the rule (other than other gang members and baddies in the story).

[ArchangelMike]

Yep, I found that dynamite worked best for them :D

[littletad]

Actually, if you just let the script run itself, they end up killing themselves or dying by "unknown" causes/accidents. Hilarious.

[rdgneoz3]

Yah, I've had at night a "new initiate" accidentally set himself on fire. During the day, 2 people trying to set up the cross had it fall on them and crush them. Hilarious the amount of detail RockStar put in the game :P

[bloop]

Came across that too 😂 A group of about 15 of them initiating a new member and he ends up setting himself on fire. Everyone else ran away except the leader who walked off in a huff mumbling about how stupid they all were. I antagonised him and he started a fight with me so I kicked his ass. I didn't kill him in hope he turns up again somewhere so I can kick his ass again.

[bouzebbal]

shouldn't it instead raise your honor?
they should make them as the collectibles in the game.. find and wipe them.

[thorstein]

It's even better. If you loot and or kill them, witnesses do not care and will not report your activities.

EDIT: In the loot you can find letters that show just how stupid the KKKers are.

[UltraNova]

I'm running them over with my horse, one bynome when I find them, then I'll cap one or two up their a** for good measure.

Where can I find them?

[warriorcase]

If you stand by and watch a new initiate accidentally kill himself and do nothing while being in the crowd then your honor actually goes up. If you kill the leader Morgan says to the effect of "I'll hunt down and kill every last one of you hooded bastards"

[NoWayOut]

Works like a charm!!!!

[lxeasy]

They deserve it

[senorfartcushion]

Me too!

Threw dynamite into the crowd, it was like the Dove scenes from a John Woo film

[mad-dog]

As if i cared about my honor in this. Can't wait to blast them away.

[UCForce]

I do care about honor. So yeah, i’m going to enjoy this

[mad-dog]

My own honor, yes. In the game? Nah. I do play a fairly kind Arthur. I want to be a good cowboy but Rockstar won't let me, haha. But if at some point in the game i see KKK members i will hopefully have dynamite with me.

[TheEnigma313]

yeah I've been killing everyone just to be a dick. I'm tired of being noble in video games.

[RememberThe357]

It's kinda stupid though that if a random guy tries to kill you can you kill him instead, you still get reported for murder. I mean come on R*! You gave me all these guns but don't want me to use them?!

[TheEroica]

My god, your bounty must be astronomical

[No Way]

TheEroica - I'm so broke because of my bounties. I kill too many people, rob too many stores, fight too many townsmen.

Sigh.

[Scatpants]

You can cover your face to do crimes.

[MrDead]

“You had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people"

[StormSnooper]

Lmao 😂 you made my day. Thank you!

[Kratos_Kart2007]

You wrong for this...LMAO

[Skankinruby]

Lmao comment of the day. Be careful now, you might just be labeled a 'libtard'

[LongLiveKing]

Or just an obvious racist.

[Sono421]

If anything a "libtard" would be offended by this... I don't think you understand what a "libtard" is...

[Skankinruby]

@Sono421
Lol omg the joke went completely over your head dude, I'm not even gonna bother.

[bluefox755]

As if free speech activists are comparable to people who murdered blacks because of their skin color.

[bluefox755]

Concerning that people disagree with this statement. What sane person thinks that fighting for the liberal value of free speech is somehow in the same realm as killing people based on their skin color? Can't we ever take our political "sides" out of the discussion?

[Elwenil]

There are several issues with your statement. Two off the top of my head are that these days most liberals are not interested in free speech unless you are agreeing with them and the other problem is that liberals are typically democrats, and the KKK was formed by democrats.

[FunAndGun]

Because they all are not just free speech activists. Sure, some are, but when you're marching next to bigots, white supremiscts, and natzi sympathizers, you might have to question the company you keep.

[dantesparda]

@Elwenil

And there are several issues with your statement. Two off the top of my head are that neither are consrrvatives/republicans/righ twingers unless you are agreeing with them, I mean just look at how pathetic they are for crying and whining about the stupid SNL joke about he veteran guy with the eye patch. Acting all offended and bent out of shape over it, pack of snowflakes!

And the other problem is that while its true that the KKK was formed by democrats. Its also true that those "democrats" (notice the quotes kid) were conservatives not liberals, notice I said, CONSERVATIVES, just like the racist, immigrant hating scummbags that make up the majority of the Republican party today. The reason they left the Democratic party and went over to the Republican party is because the Democratic party wasnt racist enough for them and had to many liberals fighting for their equal rights. Remember it was LBG, a "democrat" who gave them their civil rights. So get your facts right, There are no KKK, white supremist, neo nazi's or militias in the democratic party, they are all in the republican party and love Trump.

[ThatGuyDart]

LMFAOOOO

[nyu1]

Who said that ?

[Atticus_finch]

A very ugly and evil Witch.

[FunAndGun]

Chump

[Potnoodle999]

What? Who said that?

[StormSnooper]

Trumpet

[hduce]

I logged in just to give your awesome comment a like!

[NoWayOut]

Good, I love killing them..

[BadElf]

Why is this an article? Saw all my liberal friends trying to make it into a political thing, trying to make it about today or something.

You can also find that man in Rhodes, that's angry about his job not being around anymore....a slave owner. You can kilm him to get honor as well.
Come on Vox, Polygon, and CNn...lets make an article

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Sympathizer ^

[NoWayOut]

@Nicknasty stop crying both Democrats and Republicans equally are full of sh*t .. All of those are just labels. The government has a history of brutal violence and hatred so please spare me all that

[BadElf]

Eh, nice try I guess? Lol

[NoWayOut]

Delete your account.. you're look extremely pathetic sympathetic towards Klu Klux Klans on a video game

[Nicknasty]

Where does he show sympathy for the KKK in that comment? Dont be like CNN man and make stuff up, or put your own spin on things. I think we can all at least agree that the KKK were a bunch of idiots! To compare people nowadays with those morons just because they dont agree with your political beliefs is just flat out sickening! Funny too because the KKK were ALL Democrats back then. Now they just play the race card and pretend they actually care about us all.

It's one of the reasons I will never vote in this screwed up country! It's all about money! Bunch of lying cheating politicians, especially the dems! They are the worst offenders, so get it right next time and dont be so fooled. Be an independent, be your own individual and dont stick to one side. They teach us that you are either on the left or the right. If you dont pick a side then you have no say and dont belong! That is what we've been taught. The best thing you can do is give the middle finger to them both and be your own thinking individual. Dont choose a side, that's what they want. Society has taught you the way you must think. They are both out for money and power only, not for the people! Ever!!!! The sooner you come to terms with this the better!

[JackBNimble]

Wow... you Americans have all gone crazy. You all seem to hate each other.
It's a wonder you haven't started a freaking civil war. Just hurry up and build your wall already but build one on the north border too please so you can lock yourselves in.

[BadElf]

Haha, ohh look...another copy and pasted comment. Read before you speak, friend

[-Gespenst-]

@Nicknasty: Both parties essentially had left and right leaning factions, and in the end, the left leaning faction of the dems basically took total control of the Democratic party, and the right-leaning faction of the repubs took control of the Republican party.

I say "left-leaning", but really it's more like the dems = right-leaning / centrist, and the republicans = right wing. The dems are left of the republicans alright, but they're not left-wing.

[rainslacker]

Yeah. Here's what I take from the devs decision on this.

It's perfectly fine to kill those who have different viewpoints from you. Regardless of when you do it, if they are doing anything illegal, immoral, or in some way actually hurting someone else at the time.

There is no reason to feel remorse, or be held accountable for your actions, if those actions are against those that some people consider to be bad, and not worthy of life, liberty, or due process of law.

You know what this really says....that its fine to hate on someone else, and cast not only judgement, but execution, on those who don't agree with the common consensus.

You know...the exact thing that people don't like about the KKK's ignorant and hateful view on minorities.

You don't fight hate with more hate, and not everyone is for killing others, or it being glorified in selective cases. If that glorification is consistent, then fair enough, but in this case, the dev raised the KKK as something special to be excluded. They're a minority. They don't count towards the culture that exists within the game, hence, they're not really people. They're made into something that is perfectly acceptable to take action against. They're basically made into that which they themselves rail against.

Also....I think you greatly misread what the OP was trying to say. I didn't get any sense that he was being sympathetic.

I'll rail against the KKK, or similar groups, all day long if given the opportunity. But I will do so based on real transgressions that they commit. I certainly wouldn't kill any of them, or expect to be honored or go without repercussions if I did. The only time I may go so far, is if it was to protect someone else, and even then, it'd only be after every other resource was exhausted. Luckily, I've never had to be in that situation to have to make that decision.

If you want to fight against something, then do it against those who are actually the problem. Not those who may just seem like they prefer a bit more moderation in people's knee jerk reactions....and certainly not against those who weren't even being sympathetic towards a hate group, rather being antagonistic towards idiots who only take offense when it suits them.

@Nick

The Democrats and Republicans have kind of switched their stance on conservative vs liberal views over the years. What we now call democrats was more republican back in the early 1900's when it gradually switched over. About the biggest thing the Democratic party still holds true to is the anti-aristocratic mindset. The republicans still hold true to being more conservative in spending, and free market labor principals. Overall though, one should only hold these parties accountable to what they do in the present. Neither of these parties are one thing or another, nor were they ever either completely liberal, or completely conservative, and how they're viewed has always been a product of the society and political climate of their time.

You are right though, the KKK was a sort of militant wing of the democratic party, but only the democratic party that existed in the south at the time of its creation. Funny enough, Republicans nowadays seem to have more biased hate towards other groups than the Democrats do today. Unlike the clan though, they tend to work through political means to just keep them out of the country, rather than suppress or enslave them.

[yeahokwhatever]

personally I'd prefer a wall to the north. It would have kept Jim Carey and Justin Bieber where they belong. Also, the "north south 'switch'" is a lie invented by modern democrats to absolve themselves of their deeds. I don't blame them, I'd try the same crap if I was evil.

[RememberThe357]

@rainslacker
Your not being noble here bud. The fact is that as a culture (Americans) we are taught that certain groups stand completely opposed to us. There aren't many of those groups but the most villainized are the KKK. They want to rip our country apart based on our skin colors. They laid a legacy of blood and hatred everywhere they went. Thats why I hate them with a passion. It's not because they thought they had more authority than others, and it's not because they're hateful. Their ideology wants to see my brothers hang because of their skin color. My views are not phylosophical. The KKK want people that I love to literally die, that makes them literally my enemy.

I appreciate a balanced perspective and if I was a Catholic monk I might agree with you (kill em with kindness and all that). But I'm not trying to opress and murder for my own sense of power. I want to eliminate threats to the people I care about. Obviously this is just a game but I'm as happy killing KKK members digitally as I am killing Nazis or Taliban, or any of these crazy f*ckers that want to kill us while we try to make the most of our lives.

That doesn't mean I'm cool with actual murder.

[Atticus_finch]

Someone is triggered!?
Very telling...

[BadElf]

@nicknasty .... truth

[rainslacker]

Surprised that no one stated that for a game that is supposedly so realistic, and trying to maintain historical accuracy, why would they have the KKK in it, when the KKK kind of disappeared about 20 years earlier, not to make a comeback until about five years after this game is set?

On top of that, the KKK didn't don their iconic robes, until their second coming, which again, is about 5 years after this game is set, and did so because of it being kind of in the movie, "Birth of a Nation". They did wear masks before that, but regular clothes otherwise.

Personally, I don't see why there should be any honor given for killing anyone. I believe that some people probably should be dead, or killed, but at the same time, it isn't my place to pass judgement. I wouldn't consider it honorable to take anyone's life, no matter how much I may wish them dead.

I have no love of the KKK, or people who breed hate in general, but at the same time, I'm not going to pretend to be worthy of judging the value of their life.

If someone wants to say I'm some KKK sympathizer because of my statement here, then F off.

My knowledge of them is because I prefer not to remain ignorant on those things that I care to fight against, and to really fight something you feel is bad, you have to understand it, and know about it. The rest of my views are because I don't have hate in my soul to feel that others should be killed for some view that doesn't line up to my own.

Shame the best argument that people can come up with is trying to discredit the person who made the argument, instead of the actual argument that was made.

His point it seems to be that people place unequal weights on things, and it seems to be based on their own views, as opposed to what is morally right....in this case, Honor, or dishonor for killing people should be dished out consistently.

[Lenrulesdaworld]

So I assume you feel the same way about nazi's during world war 2? I have no sympathy or empathy for people who want to see an entire race extinct. I'm not saying its right to kill anyone but I'm not crying over it. Easier to read about history and the atrocities that happen in it, than to experience it 1st hand have that fear living in you constantly. It's a game of course and I get your point about the game and killing people who you don't agree with. But there levels to this imo and in a kill or be killed group like that back then, I rather survive then be holy about life.

[NoWayOut]

The KKK is the biggest domestic terrorist group in the history of the United States, what tf are you talking about. They never went away, they've just Infiltrated law enforcement. A sympathizer is exactly what I would call someone like you. I am under the impression that you are a white person, so of course some not all people of the Caucasian community would underestimate the evil torture, rape, lynching and other horrific acts that happened at their hands.. You've chosen to argue for the sake of arguing, but for what? Honor or dishonor killing? Dude it's a game and the same way I mow down Nazis I'm going to mow down those sheet wearing cowards

[rainslacker]

I'm not really crying over it. I'm noting the distinction that its not right to say its OK to kill someone because you disagree with them.

The nazis were a military establishment, along with a political regime. Were all nazis deserving of being killed? Not really, because many had been indoctrinated, and not all of them were doing anything more than an American soldier would do while fighting a war. The truth is, not everyone knew the extent of the holocaust, and what was going on with it. Hitler came to power by perpetuating the idea that Germany had been held back by the Treaty of Versailles, and using it to play on people's emotions of Germany, a very proud nation, had no way to be a self-deterministic nation.

This notion is why people support Hitler. Not because they were all about his ethnic cleansing, although that was a thing at the time as well, but because they wanted to be a free Germany. That's why Germany went to war with the rest of the world....not as an attempt to eradicate all the Jews or minorities world-wide...although that may have tried that if they won the war.

Is it wrong for a nation to want to be free? I'm pretty sure that American's have just as much desire for self-determination. It's at the core of our values and beliefs. If that were being suppressed, or it was made to make us think this were the case, then wouldn't we support going to war?

Holding all Germans culpable for what happened back then completely ignores all the social and cultural aspects of the time. The Nazi party itself, the rulers of that, and those in it who participated in war crimes or illegal activity should be judged. I have my feelings on them. but it's not on me to judge their right to live....or at least, not for me to carry out judgement based on my own ideological beliefs. That's what laws are for, and going against those laws because one feels a different way, and condoning their execution, or at least not making it seem like there are no repercussions is just as wrong as what the Nazi's and KKK do.

The Nazis and KKK both believe they have/had some moral right to be the judge and executioner, and if you feel the same way, you just act the same way with what is likely more control, since you wouldn't actually do anything to them. I won't say anyone here is as bad as them personally, because I don't believe that to be the case. I understand how they may be morally outraged by what those two groups represent....because I am as well. But, for a piece of media to perpetuate this idea in contradiction to the rest of the game being about murder for honor, or loss of it, tends to promote the wrong message to me.

That being said, I don't think the devs did this in an attempt as some major subversive attempt to say we should go kill racists, or members of the KKK. I do feel it was just them not having a problem with them dying, especially based on how the scene plays out if you don't kill them, which makes them look more incompetent than anything else.

[chiefJohn117]

KKK never went away check your facts.
I gotta find this location can't wait to cut down those bastards. I wonder if I can feed the bodies to a bear lol stow it than drop it off to wolf pack. Should I use dynamic and fire boms or go bad boys 2 style guns blazing?
They don't penalize you for killing other gang members either what's your point? I don't see you complaining about dead odriescalls not effecting your honor

[rainslacker]

@Noway

Sorry for caring more about seeing the bigger picture, than just relying on blind hate to make a call on who is deserving to live or die.

I don't condone anything the KKK believes in. But I don't deny their right to exist as a group so long as they maintain their operations within the rules of law. They can be as ignorant, and hate whoever they want for something as trivial as their skin color, and I will forever disagree with them. But I will not deny that they have a right to their believes. I will not ever make a judgement on if they should live or die because I have different beliefs. If they choose to act on their beliefs in a way that is illegal, or oppressive to an individual, then I will take issue with that. but until that time, they have done nothing illegal, no matter how morally repugnant their beliefs may be.

I have no idea how any part of my post makes it seem like I condone anything they have done, or may do. I'm merely talking about the notion that its OK to imply that there is no repercussions to killing someone in a game that has a view that many don't agree with, particularly in a game where the act of killing has a system in place to make killing give or take honor away from someone. One of the many touted features of this game is that actions have consequences. Hell...you can't even bump into someone on the street without a bounty put on your head...but you can go and kill a whole group of white men in the woods? The number of men I saw in that picture having been killed would have had serious impact on the area they exist in back in those days...but I guess nothing comes from it in the game at all.

And sure it's a game, but it's a game that people are going on about how realistic it is. A game that has an honor system in place for killing. I don't think anyone playing the game is going to come away thinking they're going to go kill em' some KKK members, but I'm being argumentative because of the notion that its OK to kill some people, but not others, all based on one's own beliefs....which is exactly how the KKK, and some in the Nazi regime, justified their actions.

As far as you classifying me as a sympathizer, I refer you to the comment you replied to, and what to do if you felt that way.

@chief

Facts checked: Racism never went away, but they were indeed disbanded by the US government as a group in 1871, only to come back in 1916 as an as an official group.

I'll add that I wouldn't mind, in a game, coming across a bunch of KKK members, or similar group, and just going to town. I fulfills a kind of primal need that I think exist in all of us. One that makes us want to fight against injustice and rampant ignorance which leads to hate.

My issue with this isn't so much that you can kill KKK members...because really, you can kill almost anyone in this game and I don't take killing in a game as something evil, since its a game. The issue is more the nature of being able to do it without repurcussion, in a game which is based around repurcussions. I feel its the wrong message to send, and borders on pushing an ideal which is no better than what those groups believe.

However, I don't think it was R* intention to make a big political statement, and certainly not their intent to condone that kind of violence. probably more just to say that they don't agree with the KKK.

beyond that, I just don't like this notion by some that assume if you aren't for this, then you are some sort of sympathizer. There's a moral aspect to it, which I probably am over-analyzing.

[Rimeskeem]

Why do you care so much?

[william_cade]

I can't wait to play this - I need to stop reading about RD2. lol

[chiefJohn117]

You're missing a lot this game is epic with Easter eggs like this. I got a tips from a stranger I helped about a house with money. I go and some fat guy is on the porch and invited me in.......I won't spoil it but man lol you're in for a surprise. R* went the extra mile. Honestly the random stuff and side missions is more exciting than the main missions and story imo.

[yeahokwhatever]

careful. the game is really, really, really slow. its cool. but wow is it slow.

[MajorLazer]

Sorry not everthing is kill, kill, kill and instant satisfaction

[343_Guilty_Spark]

We have a few of those on this site.

[NoWayOut]

More than a few

[ThatGuyDart]

I noticed that too.

[ZaWarudo]

Probably a bunch of edgy kids who thinks it's cool to be racist.

[Atticus_finch]

Way too many imho.

[kalkano]

It's sad that this comment doesn't even surprise me, with the way that all Republicans are now referred to as "Nazis", and in a way that is not even joking, but acting like that's what they factually are, all in an attempt to make it moral to do absolutely any and all vile things to them.

So, now apparently, all Republicans are part of the KKK. You and all like you should be ashamed of yourselves, and if a Civil War does eventually break out, you will have the blood on YOUR hands.

[BadElf]

True. White, right wing male = the worst thing on the planet now a days. Crazy.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Even the racists call republicans racists.

You are what you are.

The leader of the Republican Party is a known racist.

[kalkano]

The party of racism is DEFINITELY the Democrats right now. The right doesn't give a crap about race, while the left couldn't possibly be more focused on it. They just try to sweep their racism under the rug and claim it "doesn't count".

[NoWayOut]

I've seen videos of Republicans chanting White Power.. Dude your delusional, hate groups have funded Trump and countless other Republicans.. are you delusional? I'm an independent so I have no dog in the fight, but let's be real for a second

[BlaqMagiq1]

LMAO what? The Republicans have shown WAY more racism in the past 2 years than the Democrats have shown in the past decade. And I'm not just talking about Trump either. It's in the House and Senate. Republicans have called other Republicans out for racism. You are delusional if you think Democrats are the racist party right now.

[CarlDechance]

"We have a few of those on this site."

lol....what? What those? KKK members? Probably the most idiotic thing I've ever read on n4g. You let your own personal politics demonize those you disagree with. Stop reading propaganda and realize that most people don't fit the evil stereotypes you've been indoctrinated to believe.

[King Nezz]

Funny comments all around.

But on a serious note, whoever has issues with the killing of KKK members, one can assume that you agree with them. If so, I really hope you're not playing on a PS4. Obviously it's a Japanese console. Better yet, get rid of your Switch, your car and any other purchase that is from a minority company. Don't be a hypocrite.

[Skankinruby]

I personally hope all these things happen. The irony of the claims all these MAGA idiots make will be exposed.

[nyu1]

"But on a serious note, whoever has issues with the killing of KKK members, one can assume that you agree with them. "

That's quite a bullshit assumption, honestly. Just remember people use this kind of logic to group lots of people into lots of labels.

Just make sure you know the context and their exact argument before making assumptions.

[Atticus_finch]

Please go on expand, what's a good argument for defending the VIDEO GAME murder of KKK members?
I'll wait...

[BadElf]

Exactly. Thank you

[King Nezz]

@Atticus_finch

Welp, less of them around means less of people being murdered just because of their skin color. Satisfied with that answer? Or should people be killed because of brown or black skin? Nevermind, don't answer. I already know the type of person you are.

[King Nezz]

@nyu1

So the history of the KKK doesn't involve lynching people and causing fear to families just because they are different and nothing? That doesn't seem like a good reason of getting rid of them? At all costs? Just enlighten me on how their removal doesn't benefit mankind?

[rainslacker]

@Atticus

It's not their actual murder. I mean, you can do that in the rest of the game, and I don't really feel that such a thing needs to be defended or criticized.

It's the fact that the game doesn't penalize you for killing them. It's basically saying its OK to kill someone you don't agree with, if their actions are potentially egregious enough, regardless of if they are actually committing a crime.

The US, where the KKK exists, was founded on free speech, and the right to assemble. The KKK has a right to exist. Although, ironically, the Klan was forcibly disbanded by the US about 10 years before this game takes place, and their representation in this game wouldn't be accurate until at least 5 years after this game takes place. When they first started, they didn't meet in the woods wearing white hoods and robes. but I digress.

What the KKK doesn't have the right to do is form a violent protest, or perform illegal actions. They also don't have the right to incite violence through hate speech, but that is true of everyone in the US.

If one were to just kill a KKK member without any cause other than their ideological beliefs, then there would be repercussions, and personally, I don't feel condoning it without repercussions in the game where it doesn't match up to the rest of the game, then it perpetuates the idea that its OK to do what the Klan does....which is that they are somehow worthy of being the judge and executioner.

I'm not overly upset about this, but I do take issue with others acting like anyone who has a problem with an agenda of hate being unacceptable to someone, which is what R* is basically promoting here, is somehow akin to being a KKK sympathizer. R* is basically saying it's OK to take extreme action against those you may not like or agree with.

[Atticus_finch]

You all are way to triggered! No one is advocating the killing of KKK members. It's a VIDEO GAME!!!!!!!
Stop the meltage cute little snowflakes.

[nyu1]

@Atticus_finch

Could be anything, depending on tons of factors.

Take this particular case for example. I haven't played RDR2, but imagine an argument like "In the context of the game world, you SHOULD lose honour for randomly killing their members, because that would make sense". This depends on lots of things - the reality of the time period, how RDR2 treats historical accuracy, how much this particular player cares about that. I doubt most people care about this, but it's just an example.

Another argument might be "It feels like it was put in there just for the sake of it, as if to beat a dead horse or something"

Personally I think it's done well and it looks really funny from videos I've seen. It breaks the fourth wall in a funny way, but the above could be a legitimate argument depending on the details.

One reviewer thought that the way they handled the KKK trivialized them compared to the reality of the time. Imagine some criticisms similar to that about the killing of KKK without losing honour. Again, I have not played the game, so these might be very bad examples, but you get the point.

It's true that real sympathizers might hide behind similar arguments, but you can say that about any issue. Just make sure you aren't reading one statement and jumping to conclusions. There's a tendency to ignore all the detail in someone's argument and misrepresent their argument and label them.

EDIT : Addressing another comment you made "It's just a game!"
That's a convenient way to dismiss valid criticisms about a game. People use this excuse all the time. Ofcourse it's just a game, who said otherwise ? Just because it's a game, someone who makes a comment about a specific thing in a game isn't necessarily a 'triggered' 'snowflake'.

[slavish0]

He actually says if "U" have issues killing KKK then... You respond by saying dont group lots of people into labels. He is very very specific and u are general. U obviously have sympathy for kkk by committing but dont want to say it 😂 . He triggered you enough with his specific post that you got offended and replied. SMFH.

[Atticus_finch]

Vanilla ISIS doesn't care about logic only for what feels good to their hateful ways.

[Atticus_finch]

@King nezz you have misunderstood me. We agree.

[King Nezz]

@Atticus_finch

Answering a question with a question. Interesting. How about I'll answer you if you answer my question? I'll be willing to answer your questions no problem. After all, dialogue is what we need. Not huffing and puffing.

[rainslacker]

Why would you assume because someone has issues with killing KKK members, that they somehow agree with them? Maybe they're just not willing to judge others, or feel they should kill others because they disagree with them, or prefer that due justice take its course against those that actually commit crimes.

I don't really have an issue with killing in games...because...well, its a game. I don't even have a issue with what the devs are doing here. I just find it inconsistent to imply that its OK to kill those you don't agree with or like. That kind of thing isn't really any different than how many in the KKK feel about those they personally don't like.

There's a difference between structuring a story around the moral acceptance of killing because they're the bad guy or something, but in the game, are you stopping them from committing a crime? Are they just out in the woods having a meeting or whatever? If you can just be allowed to kill indiscriminately without any repercussions because they're the KKK, I don't see how that is acceptable, when it's not acceptable in the rest of the game. If you don't lose honor because they're committing a crime, then this isn't really an issue, because the rest of the game is like that as well.

[chiefJohn117]

They're KKK they deserve it

[drpepperdude]

What about all the democrats trying to get rid of the death penalty in every state, are they murderer and rapist sympathizers?

The only reason the name KKK is even still relevant in the US is because liberal politics brought it back calling every white person not voting for them a nazi kkk member. Also no I don't sympathize with any violent group especially ones that have murdered. I just don't like the idea of being called something constantly that I'm not and then seeing people say they enjoy killing what I'm called, it's a very weird feeling but it's not sympathy for said group, it's just how weird politics have become here in the US.

[Atticus_finch]

There is an immense difference between RDR 2 made by rockstar and the death penalty in real life. If you dont see that you shouldn't be playing any video games!

[drpepperdude]

Obviously but we are talking about real life when you mention sympathizers.

[Activemessiah]

Open season!!!

[bluefox755]

Not sure how realistic this is, they were pretty mainstream back then, popular even. They had tons of political power within the democratic party. Something like that doesn't happen without significant support from the public.

[rainslacker]

They actually didn't exist in the year this game took place, which is 1899. It was suppressed in 1871 by the US government. A whole 28 years passed between this game, and the disbanding of the original KKK. Chances are, if you stumbled upon them in the woods having a meeting like this, you wouldn't associate them with the KKK after that much time. They may obviously be some radical hate group, but 30 years back in those days was quite a long time to remember a hate group that was mostly active in the South.

It was later re-established in 1915. That's when they started to use the white hoods and robes we recognize them for today.

This is just an issue with the historical accuracy of the game though, and probably overanalyzing it, and certainly not really relevant to the situation, which to me, seems wrong because it says its OK to kill those you don't agree with.

Moreso though, there were plenty of people who were very racist around that time frame, and it wasn't considered taboo to express such racism openly. One didn't have to hide in the woods, and could openly harass minorities in public. Despite slavery being abolished, those minorities didn't have rights, and killing someone over their racism wasn't a justification for murder. In fact, it was more justifiable at the time to kill a minority because they were a minority, and any claim that they wronged you was a more acceptable defense.

however, if R* decided to be that historically accurate, the sh*tstorm they would get over it would be immense.

[NoWayOut]

Please go away grand wizard

[feenix-5]

Wow I'm shocked that killing (in a video game) a group that was founded by democrats and was once an arm of the left wing doesn't come with any repercussion!

[BlackOni]

From what I understand, they served what they believed to be in the interest of the democratic party for power, but were never an actual part of it.

[rainslacker]

The democratic party back then isn't like it is now. Neither are the republicans. If anything, who was liberal, and who was conservative was reversed.

that said, the democratic party never officially condoned the KKK that I'm aware of, but the KKK did have political influence, and was seen as a sort of militant wing of the democratic party, enforcing its ideologies. Most of it was about Southern democrats more than democrats as a whole though.

We're talking about a very different time in America though, so anyone trying to blame the current democrats or republicans for anything that happened more than 140 years ago should really just stop, since they probably aren't that informed to begin with.

The history of America is very interesting. It's ugly a lot of the time, amazing others, and quite often inspiring. We tend to perpetuate the good things, like freedom, life, liberty, pursuit of justice, etc, but the US has all sorts of sorted history that one can learn a lot from even if it's depraved and evil. One just has to look at it as learning, and not as somehow condoning the bad things, and use it to form their own view on what is right, and what is wrong.

[PoopsMcGee]

Yeah, but in the mid 1900s (with the Democrat-led civil rights movement) they all ran to the Republican Party and have found a nice warm home there ever since.

Haven't you ever heard of the Southern Strategy that was employed by Republicans in that era? It literally flipped the parties in many respects (although the economic populism platform stayed with the Dems).

The modern Democratic and Republican parties, as we know them, arose in the 50s/60s.

[Nicknasty]

Really? Wasn't it a Republican that freed the slaves? Abraham Lincoln rings a bell. Comon man, dont distort history and get it together. You have to admit that liberals will never take responsibility for all the evil and sick things they have done to blacks. I dont like either side but let's face it, liberals are one of the worst offenders, period! The KKK were created by liberals. Stop getting your information from Google and wikipedia lol.

[PoopsMcGee]

It's called history, man. Look it up and learn it before you spout silly ignorance in comment sections.

Yes, Lincoln was the first Republican president. That was BEFORE the parties essentially flipped sides during the Civil rights movement in the 1900s.

Southern Democrats split from the Democratic Party and found a home with the Repubs...

[ShadowWolf712]

"The Democrat-led Civil Rights Movement"

Oh buddy, have you been lied to.

Most of the Dixiecrats actually rejoined the Democratic Party, with a very small handful joining the Republican Party. Bull Connor and Goerge Wallace were Democrats. Democrats were some of the biggest opponents of the Civil Rights movement, that didn't magically change when documentation pushed primarily by Republicans passed and landed on LBJ's desk.

There's no magical "switch sides" button out there in American politics, son. Things are a lot more nuanced than that, and they don't just happen overnight.

[Silly Mammo]

@Nicknasty

If you knew your US history, the terms liberal and democrat were not synonymous. Either you are being willfully ignorant about US politics and those two terms or you're just ignorant. Stop getting your information from Fox News and other right wing sources.

[ShadowWolf712]

For instance: a far greater percentage of Democrats in Power voted Nay on the bill than Republicans in power.

Pray tell, why would the people outraged at this bill's passage run off and join the party who had, statistically speaking, had far more of its members be supportive of it than not? Especially right after it happened? Unless, perhaps, regional political allegiances began to shift due to other issues in a more nuanced manner?

[PoopsMcGee]

Oh, so it was Republican Party that led the Civil rights movement in our country? Yeah, right.

It was a leftist movement represented in politics largely by the Democratic Party.

It was the cause of the Southern split of which Republicans have owned the south ever since.

[FunAndGun]

@Nicknasty....

https://www.livescience.com...

Educate yourself about the past and how it changed to what we have today. Also, if that link is not "trustworthy" or "fake", then I can find you a couple hundred more. History and changes in society are well documented, open a book. You using the word liberal to describe slavery Democrats tells me you have been willfully conned into your narrow mindset.

[rainslacker]

Why should liberals today take responsibility for all the sick things that have been done to blacks? You know the republican party was formed to fight a bill which fought against the sovereignty of the states, which included their right to decide if slavery was illegal? The republicans were pretty liberal, and the party's start was started by both a republican, and a democrat.

Stop thinking of liberalism or conservatism in such myopic views. It's divisive, and serves no purpose except to make it easier for the media to make money, and for politicians to pit us against one another for their own political or economic gain.

Moreso, I'd say I'm more a liberal than a conservative based on what those terms seem to mean...although I'd say I'm more about each topic should be viewed for what is best for everyone. Both sides of my family didn't come to America until the late 1800's. Well after the republican party was formed. I'd say that most of them were conservative.

Why are liberals the worst offenders? It was pretty liberal in the mid-1800's to believe slavery should be abolished. Even for those states which didn't have slavery. It was one of those things where people may not agree with it, but they accepted it. That changed because society changed. The notion of slavery being bad was pushed by liberals seeking radical change to human rights and a major economic change for the US. The south was ultra-conservative for the time, but you know what...I don't sit here and blame anyone today for the wrongs done by people that were dead long before any part of modern society started to take shape....around the modern industrial revolution in the early 1900's.

The truth is today, the republican and democratic party still hold on to their base beliefs, but how they go about practicing those ideologies has flipped from one being considered conservative, to one being liberal. And in the end, for any democrat, or republican, chances are that they have a range of beliefs in how they view any given topic. It's only the media and some forum goers, that perpetuate such a black and white view of one's ideological affinities.

[Silly Mammo]

@feenix

Please know your US Political History. Really tired of people pulling this dated talking point out as if they discovered some new fact that smugly puts all those modern democratics in their place. It doesn't. It only make you look silly for parroting Fox News.

https://www.britannica.com/...

[FunAndGun]

The Democrats and Rebulicans of today are nothing like their parties during those times. Hell, Chump was a Democrat. The Clinton's went to his wedding!! So if that happened such a short time ago, and now he is supposedly a Republican who gets his base to hate Democrats, what does that say about you trying to link Democratic party from decades ago to those today? If Chump can go from Elite, Hollywood, Democrat, and in a few years flip sides and become a great white hope for Republicans that their whole party rallies behind. That doesn't show me these two groups are true to their past parties. Or maybe there are just a lot of stupid people who only look at the past when it supports their argument.

[chiefJohn117]

Wtf cares!!!! Doesn't matter if they Dem, Rep, or Jedi let's kill these evil bastards and have some fun. Why do politics play sides so much and label every damn thing? Not everything is black and white. There are shades of grey.

[Dragonscale]

Good times lol.

[Sunny_D]

I feel like this is discrimi.... nah I don’t care about the KKK. lol

[oricon]

Rockstar "A good KKK member is a dead one"

[cell989]

Yay!!!

[sprinterboy]

Thx for ruining part of the story

[Hardiman]

Holy cow I had no idea hey we're n the game! Now sill have to see if I can find them and make their lives miserable!

[LongLiveKing]

Can't wait since people are too busy bashing BLM comparing them to the KKK when in fact BLM hasn't committed haneous, racist, vile incest, lynching and hanging crimes over the last couple hundred years. So, yea. Can't wait to noose them in the game and dump then in a lake. Or, set them all ablaze over and over

[NoWayOut]

I'm with you brother!!!! Send me your gamertag ✊🏿

[AizenSosuke]

Open session especially for my shingami broskis

[WitcheRivia]

Good to know that getting rid of those Democrats won't lower your honor level.

[2pacalypsenow]

This comment section will not end well.

[michaelknight35]

i thought you would have alot to say about this 2pac oh i forgot you a fake my bad rip to the real 2pac

[2pacalypsenow]

U mad huh?

[michaelknight35]

Lol

[2pacalypsenow]

Yeah you mad.

Run a lap, you’ll get over it.

And remember tomorow, vote Red.

[michaelknight35]

Lol vote blue

[Muigi]

Well I killed the grand wizard lol, this comment section is getting intense!

[Elda]

Here to read the comments.

[SpinalRemains138]

👱🏻👌
; They're not all bad. Some of them are very fine people.

[NoWayOut]

They're all dead now

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

Now this is violence I can get behind. Call me what you want. I can still sleep at night :}

[michaelknight35]

I enjoy killing them in the game

[Aaroncls7]

spoliers much, u aholes?

[pietro1212]

It's a random event in the game this article isn't spoiling anything

[CyberRekkr]

.I'm sure the Libtards are Trying to make this a real political thing! If you voted for Clinton, You're a baby killer, (Which is worst) and a racists! So you're racist baby killer!

[AK91]

Obviously

[DarXyde]

I have to wonder which part matters more to people:

Killing klansmen or killing klansmen without negative repercussions.

Highly doubt it's the former since I'm quite compelled to believe no one plays GTA without killing someone who did nothing to them.

It actually does sound like there are sympathizers in this capacity.

[DafunkyRebel]

Good to know you can see the democrats in the their true colors

[ToeKisser]

That's right folks, killing people you dont like is a-ok, just like when Muslims kill the infidels. :)

[DarXyde]

... in a game.

[Smokehouse]

They are gang members..... The kkk were the militant wing of the democratic party.

[Keltech]

Now they're the militant wing of the trump party

[Smokehouse]

Lmao! Yeah all 12 of them.... The KKK doesn’t exist anymore bro.

[Smokehouse]

The new militant wing of the Democratic Party wears black hoods now. And burns American flags instead of crosses. Same mindset though. They never change, they just fool more people.

[TheColbertinator]

White supremacy or all "superior race" nonsense is so pointless. Show me a KKK member that can survive a shotgun blast to the face,be dumped in a vat of lava, or endure a dozen malignant heart tumors without dying will prove to me that a superior race does exist.

In RDR2 I killed all of them in a group with my repeater except one. Hogtied him, threw in a river as he drowned. Maybe somebody should have told him white cloaks aren't really good in stopping your lungs from flooding in water.

[CyberRekkr]

It's a videogame, You do know that right?, Geez, This mother fucker thinks it's real shit or something.

[TheColbertinator]

You totally missed that I was joking around :D

[Tross]

Someone must be very offended about that. I'd be offended that they're offended, but that would be a waste of thought. Instead, I'm just thankful people trying to be good won't have to miss out entirely on the joy of gunning down individuals, because as we all know, all gamers are secretly psychopaths to varying extents who hate all white people, according to the unbiased authority that is the NRA, or secretly Nazis and/or KKK members who hate anyone who isn't straight, white and male according to the equally unbiased feminist literature club your friend's neighbor's mother up the street hosts every Sunday afternoon around tea time. If you are offended by this post, feel free to hit that agree button. If you want to make it out to be more political than it was ever intended to be, or are extremely sarcasm impaired, I'd recommend checking out this place called outside. I hear people with lives go out there.

[TheColbertinator]

Going outside is pretty sweet. Seeing a movie,hitting up a cool restaurant,head out dancing or playing some baseball on the weekends.

[MainstreamGamer]

The only good Klansmen is a dead Klansmen! Don't hide behind unabashed sympathy for hateful people with some high moral ground. Own your racist way and let hellfire consume you. Remember, "There are good people on both sides"

[bigmalky]

Shouldn't it be open season on everyone? The KKK are arseholes, but should there be a dip in honour for shooting anyone that willfully takes pride in a country that slaughtered natives, stole their land, and then celebrates it every year by being thankful? Democrats and Republicans alike.

It's always about the persecution of the black people with Americans, but you happily live on native land and pay them little due for all the morals you claim to have.

Happy Thanksgiving, cherrypickers.

[pietro1212]

Are people actually getting upset and downvoting because we have the option to kill klansmen?

[Hugodastrevas]

I had no idea people wanted to murder democrats so badly in this game!

[Protagonist]

Are you upset because of the option to kill klansmen in the game?

[Hugodastrevas]

Nope, just find it funny.

[Protagonist]

klansmen and nazis got no honor so how could ones own honor be impacted.

[Keltech]

Some of the KKK loving right-wingers crawling around this site might feel it does lower their honor level.

[Skankinruby]

I just came across this group in the game. If you just stand there and watch one of these idiots lights himself on fire by accident and the rest just bail on him lol. Trampled one of those idiots down and all they had on them was a schedule for the Klan initiation meeting.

[kayoss]

It should raise your honor.