Red Dead Redemption 2 Is A Chore To Play

Red Dead Redemption 2 is a beautiful but painful game to play

[badz149]

I don't think the control issue with the game is exaggerated seeing as many are calling the game out for it. I'm not a fan of R*'s games control but the control in GTAV is sluggish enough for me already and I can't imagine it being even worse than THAT in RDR2.

I've yet to get the game though, but having played all GTAs and RDR, I know this control issue is legit.

[DarkVoyager]

It’s definitely sluggish. Feels floaty and slow to respond. I can deal with it but it’s quite annoying.

[bloop]

Agreed, it is a bit clunky, but I think it just takes a lot of getting used to. I was pulling my hair out at certain moments at the beginning trying to get in the correct position to open drawers, loot bodies etc. but I'm not having that problem now as I instinctively know where to position Arthur now. I don't know why everyone seems to think it's a chore to mind your horse or Arthur though. Horse gets dirty, just jump in a river, feeding both the horse and Arthur takes literally half a second to pull up on the weapon/item wheel and you're not forced to get a haircut or shave. My only real gripe so far is free aiming. They need to sort that out as it feels horrible right now. I'd be screwed without the auto aim as I just can't get used to the free aiming. Otherwise I'm loving the game.

[lellkay]

I spent 20 mins slowly changing and messing with the camera controls and I now have free aim and camera in a place where it feels perfect. Shouldn't have to do this, but it makes a world of difference.

[PapaBop]

Try this advice: https://www.reddit.com/r/re...

It's not perfect but it helps remove some of the sluggish feeling from the controls.

[DarkVoyager]

@PapaBoo

“Try this advice”

“It's not perfect but it helps remove some of the sluggish feeling from the controls.”

Thanks! That helped a lot. The controls should be like this out of the box

[FunAndGun]

I like that tips are need to enjoy a perfect, masterpiece, omg it's game of the generation title. perfect scores be damned.

[abstractel]

I haven't tried adjusting the controls yet, friend suggested upping the speed of rotating to max and deadzone to 0. No idea if that makes sense yet. I did NOT see this coming, that I'd be playing ACOd over RDR2. ACO's mythical encounters are great.

I'll get around to RDR2 again but the first 2 hours put me off. I'm sure I'll get hooked once I get used to it. Just takes a bit of patience to get into it seems.

[chazjamie]

you can drink beer the same way.

[moomoo319]

Great opinion from someone who hasnt touched the game lol
@bloop
Tap R1 to cycle thru your interaction menu instead of turning his body

[Z501]

https://youtu.be/uj49X7Ahv_...

[bloop]

@moomoo319: Yes, I've been using that too, I just hadn't spent much time with a R* game in so long it took me way longer than it should to even get in the position where the contextual action would come up for me, but it really isn't a problem when you get more used to Arthur's movement.

@Z501: Thank you for reminding me why I don't like the Jimquisition. After watching that video, I wonder why he's still gaming at all seen as though every single game mechanic seems to piss him off. I'm absolutely loving RDR 2 and it's all those little touches they are making the game for me.

[moomoo319]

@Z501
If you have half a brain you dont need people like jim sterling telling you what to like

[wwinterj]

"I've yet to get the game though, but having played all GTAs and RDR, I know this control issue is legit."

You've not played the game so can't comment. With that said the protagonist and horse are a bit clunky when not in motion and take a while to slow down when you want them too. It's not a major issue for me and everything other than that is fine.

[nibblo]

It's been overstated for some reason, it is slightly sluggish but nothing terrible, I can't figure out why people are making a big deal out of it.

[JackBNimble]

It's funny that everyone that I know who has the game absolutely love it and I haven't heard a single complaint yet from them.

[starchild]

Because every big game needs to be nitpicked apparently. There are too many fanboys in the gaming community who feel the need to downplay some games in an attempt to elevate their favorites in comparison.

[D3athc3ll]

Just don't play the game then. I really hope they don't fix this. Game is great and slow paced. Movement is very realistic. Think the players is a bit slow tbh. You should see me play, looks like a fucking movie!!!

Anyways complain away, the game deserve it's 97 meta and will be game of the year! So go play Ac with quick responses or Call of Duty. Leave the realism to me and million others

[BLUEBLASTER]

To me I wish it was more like Uncharted 4's controls.

[MrCrimson]

This and the game needs more fast travel options. I find myself not wanting to do quests because the distance of travel back and forth.

It sucks.

[wwinterj]

You know you can travel to every city via train. stagecoach or even your own bedside right?

[PhantomS42]

The article is going to get massive hate but it is 100% truth. The pace in the game really hurts how beautiful the game truly is because it's extremely slow.

[nyu1]

Some people like it, some don't, that's it. It's 100% subjective.

[nowitzki2004]

Pace is perfect imo... Wtf do people want? constant action?? lol lets be a bit realistic here.

[FunAndGun]

realism is boring.

[Christopher]

I don't play games to deal with menial tasks in my games. And I'm not talking cleaning your weapon, that's extremely minor compared to the constant having to re-equip gear from your horse as it resets so regularly or having to slowly travel to sell limited inventory space for hunting l let alone having to spend tons of time approaching, investigating, and finding just the right animal for the chance at a perfect hide rather than having that a level up skill element on its own. It's forcing me to redo things I shouldn't have to do and sit through minutes of boring riding just to play the game.

Just a few weeks ago tons of sites were complaining about how long it took to level up on Odyssey and gain access to all the abilities, but now it's amazing how RDR2 slows everything down to hamper progress and maintain some sense of realism.

[Snookies12]

@FunAndGun - Realism is what they were going for. Just because it bores YOU doesn't mean it's boring for everyone. I can't believe people are complaining about the realistic approach this game has taken. It was always trying to deliver a more realistic Western setting. I'm so glad it did too, despite the people that can't appreciate it.

[Christopher]

***I can't believe people are complaining about the realistic approach this game has taken. It was always trying to deliver a more realistic Western setting. I'm so glad it did too, despite the people that can't appreciate it.***

I'm very happy you appreciate this approach, but please don't ignore that there are legitimate issues people have and they're not just acting entitled. Even the first RDR didn't have the level of 'realistic' approach that greatly impacted overall gameplay. I definitely think there's a middle-ground to this, but they instead went full one way completely and it's detracted from gameplay greatly in some areas as well as set the game up for being slow in progress as it focuses more on forcing you to travel and perform slow acts over a focus on the gameplay that is more engaging and specific to the story being told.

[RavageX]

Playing the wrong game if you want non stop action.

[PhantomS42]

If that's what you got out of the comment then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Having good a good pace doesn't mean "non-stop action".

[RavageX]

Pace seems fine to me other than the snow at the very, very beginning.

[RizBiz]

I don't know what they did between GTA IV and V, but from the sounds of it they just can't seem to get controls right anymore. GTA IV felt pretty good (both walking and driving), I don't know why they felt the need to change.

[UltraNova]

GTA IV's driving was a floating joke, a bad one at that, one they had to fix later.

[RizBiz]

Because it was realistic? I liked it. The super arcadey feel of GTA V is f*cking awful. I could barely tolerate it enough to finish the story and I haven't touched the game since.

[UltraNova]

You call all that body roll and overall floating physics realistic?? Wait, did tou actually play the game before the driving patch?

[PowerOfTheCloud]

If you think gta iv 's driving is realistic, i would advice youto take your car to a mechanic. XD

[Kornholic]

@RizBiz

Have you ever actually driven a car? They don't handle like boats like they do in GTA IV.

[RizBiz]

Unlike all of you plebs, I in fact have my own classic Dodge Charger, which one of the game's cars is modelled after, and I can assure you from first-hand experience that the driving physics match my car 100% perfectly.

[chris235]

the same reason ea tweaks its variables for fifa each year. you as a paying customer must have the impression that you are playing a new game.

[Abnor_Mal]

Incoming microtransactions? Boosters to speedup game pace 99cents. Grow beard faster 99cents. Faster horse grooming 99cents. Non shrinking horse balls... I don't do micros so I don't know how they go. They have to bleed the customer dry some how after the cash cow juggernaut that is GTA V paved the way. Expect custom horse shoes and saddles to make your horse top speed increase. An array of wagons to buy and customize. Throw some fifty inch rims on your coach. Two, four, six, eight, ten horses to pull your custom wagon, more horses mean more horse power. Pay large sums of money for the best horses for riding or wagon pulling. Or use donkeys if you're that cheap ass that never likes to buy anything. Me I didn't and refuse to buy the game as it's not my thing and there's going to be heavy monetization. Plus I like talking out my ass sometimes, this being one of the times.

[badz149]

dude PLEASE don't give them any more GENIUS ideas!

[outsider1624]

They'll probably make things expensive in rdro. Basically you either grind or shortcut way-buy shark pelts or whatever currency its called.

[FullmetalRoyale]

“shark pelts...”
That’s pretty good.

[Abnor_Mal]

Buffalo pelts cards

[SheenuTheLegend]

people just overhype the games these days. if you compare current games with the ps2 era, they are loosing longevity and replaybility.
plus added micro transactions and dlc's adds another nail.
Just look at GTA V's microtransactions. People supported that.
I m currently starting to see the fall of Rockstar, it will not close down,not anytime soon but the fall will start now.
they better stop their current business practices. otherwise in a long run it will be bad for gaming.
Same goes for Sony and Microsoft for charging to play online.
it should be free, we buy your systems, your games, support your online store with apps and other things
and they still charge us for playing on game devs servers lol.
we as gamers need to wake up.
Why is fortnite on sony and pubg on mobile is getting most played.
Coz its free. you dont need to pay to play with your friends after paying for the game.

[cooperdnizzle]

History will mark Red dead 2 a game a head of its time. Not for the reasons most think

[Kornholic]

Please elaborate.

[himdeel]

Seriously please do. Where has RDR2 innovated? Name one system. Because this is damn near just a really pretty sim game.

[Dragonscale]

Apparently the controls are distincly behind the times lol.

[moomoo319]

I feel like the deepness and realism is jarring at first but the game will stand the test of time because of these features, and other open world games will feel hallow for a good while till they catch up. Maybe Cyberpunk or Days gone but we'll see.

[Moe-Gunz]

That's all very well, but even though I like RDR2 I had way more fun playing Horizon. All the realism is cool but doesn't make it more fun to play.

[Blu3_Berry]

While I have yet to play the game, I have watched some gameplay of this. From what I seen, one of my main criticisms is the amount of "realistic mechanics/features" in the game. Some of this ranges from the inventory/guns being tied to your horse to the hunger bar stamina meter to tapping R2 again on a bolt action rifle before shooting again to being required for repairing/grooming your weapon/horse/character. The list goes on.

It's cool that these are in the game, but honestly when you combine all of this doesn't it feel like it's bogging the overall game down a bit? What I mean is that it seems to slow the pacing quite a bit because you need to take care of all of these "realistic features". It's like needless padding to extend the playing time (that you're somewhat forced to do).

I'm not saying these are horrible ideas, but in this end this is a videogame and being bothered to deal with these mechanics just for being a realistic experience seems like an annoyance than anything for me personally. It really seems to detract from actually playing the game and enjoying the world and story.

[ApocalypseShadow]

And people gave Shenmue flack. Lol! And I love me some Shenmue with 1 and 2 on my Dreamcast.

Wonder how gamers feel that Rockstar took it to another level? I don't have the game yet but does the main character take a dump too? If he does it in the woods, does anyone hear it? Oh wait. that's trees falling.

[Elda]

Agreed. With the technology we have now there's nothing wrong with having realistic graphics but most folks play videogames to escape the world of realism,where we want to turn on a game & play a game not feeling like the game is a chore knowing there's no fun in that. When it comes to chores that's what I do around my house & to earn a paycheck,it should not feel like that when I'm playing a videogame.

[bigmalky]

It becomes second nature after a while and you do all these small, non-time consuming things naturally.

It takes a second or so to groom and feed the horse, you can equip your weapons from the saddle as you ride to your next destination, hunting, I usually do on my way back to camp after a quest... It really doesn't bog you down once you get used to it.

Also, all this stuff is exchanged for a-b boring fetch quests, monotonous collectible gathering and empty worlds from other games that actually waste your time. RDR2 swaps it out for meaningful, also totally optional mechanics that keep you interested in it's world, rather than switching off after a few dozen hours.

Get into the habit of doing side stuff on the way to and back from missions and it works really well.

[DerekTweed]

I agree, you really do get used to it.

Although the time it takes to loot bodies is kinda making me mostly skip it. I know it's just a couple of minutes for around 20 bodies but when your gang member is shouting at you every 2 second to hurry up, I just rarely bother anymore.

[FunAndGun]

getting used to chores still doesn't mean they are fun.

[P_Bomb]

RDR2 has fetch quests. I just fetched Herr’s debts and brought them back to camp. Camp mates will also ask you to fetch numerous items ranging from a pen to a book, plant to a harmonica. The trophy/cheevo is literally called ‘errand boy’. It also has over 200 collectibles.

[bigmalky]

P_Bomb

Those fetch quests have context, have decent stories, and flesh out the world much more than most open world games.

It's not just another "kill ten of these" for no reason, for little reward.

[Prince-Ali]

EVERYTHING you just mentioned is just sooo inconvenient! loool.. the games a chore lol and i've literally played like 3 hours into it and its still a chore for me to play.

[EmperorDalek]

The greatest strength of the first Red Dead Redemption was its story.Now because they've gone for more realistic mechanics in RDR2, it feels that much more immersive and is rightly considered a masterpiece, as it will be remembered for years to come for its story. The soundtrack, visuals and gameplay mechanics all amplify it.

Does this suit everyone? Of course not, but there's plenty of faster pace open world games. Spider-Man and Assasin's Creed Odyssey just came out. Just Cause 4 is out in December. I'd prefer a game like this to focus on the immersion factor.

[CernaML]

Got bored of the first game and didnt finish it. Will skip this one.

[Abnor_Mal]

Same

[georgenancy]

Likewise, got bored of the first one about 3 hours in.

[FunAndGun]

same 100%....this new one actually looks even more boring and tedious.

[DerekFlint007]

Tedious is a good word to describe my experience with the game. I actually changed my Ps4 Pro settings earlier, to 1080p, to try and lower the blur on my 4k setup. It actually looked and resulted in a cleaner implementation, than their god awful, smudged checkerboard technique. This game has been years in the making, by elite developers, as well as being marketed by Sony, yet they have released a broken, bug filled mess with awful, convoluted and cumbersome controls, a broken cover system, antiquated melee and lousy shooting mechanics.

I am now finding the game such a laboriously monotonous long winded chore, that I'm skipping certain cut scenes. I'm also tasked with the pain in the @rse task of having to constantly monitor and fill up my health/stamina/dead-eye gauges rather than take in the exceptional world that Rockstar have created.

Tragically, this could have all been avoided with a few incremental tweaks here and there and is such a shame, as the game can be absolutely spectacular in many places.

[Ecowarrior]

The game just isn't for you then, no game is universally liked by all gamers. It's incredibly in-depth and for someone who wants to just pick up and play it's not ideal. I haven't played in 3 days just because you need to play it for two hours just to feel like you've made progress and i've not had the time.

That said, it's an incredible achievement. Yes the controls are a bit wonky and it's not 10/10, but it's by a stretch the best game this generation and deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as the greatest games of all time. Cyberpunk is the only thing I can see on console that might come close.

If you don't like the pace though, just play something a bit harder. This is a game for people to sit back and appreciate, not to plow through with 15 guns somehow stored in your back pocket.

[DerekFlint007]

It's not so much that, as these are the types of games that I absolutely love to play. I have got several third person action adventure platinum trophies, patiently searching for all manner of goodies.

My grievances with the game are more borne out of a legitimate sense of frustration with some of the design choices and heavy, cumbersome controls. Confounded by spending thousands on an improved 4k setup, only to have the game (currently) look better in it's 1080p iteration.

With an improved 4k patch and the odd tweak here and there from Rockstar smoothing the controls, then this game will be perfection for me.

[GNCFLYER]

Kudos author for calling this exactly as it is. While everyone is kissing rock star ass it's good to see people being honest.

[Elda]

Okay!!

[pietro1212]

Or you know people actually enjoy the game. I wouldn't waste 60 to 100 hrs of my life just to play a game because of it's hype.

[FunAndGun]

sure...but people would still buy the game from hype and perfect review scores. doesn't matter how long you played it, sale is made.

[Chicago8506]

Author Morgan 4 President!
Getting shitfaced with Lenny 😂😂😂
He's got my vote 👍
Luv this character.
Game on!

[doggo84]

Lol that was a great mission with lenny

[doggo84]

Loving every second of it. Thank you Rockstar for this masterpiece. You wont find a better western game anywhere else.

[Psychotica]

I have no idea what this guy is talking about. I am not having any issues controlling my character or the guns. It certainly wouldn’t take me 2-3 minutes to continue on my way because I bumped into something with my horse. I have slid down hills and falling off the horse and takes me a few seconds to get back on.

[DerekTweed]

I think there is some setting for controlling the horse or the camera while on a horse, I changed to Horse relative and now I find the horse hard to control, I'll try changing it back but I crash in to stuff a lot.

[Elda]

I have to agree so far I feel it's a chore as well along with some other grievances but blind R* butt kissing fanatics will say it's BS & RDR2 is perfect in every way. A videogame I consider a masterpiece would have me intrigued & excited to play from the very beginning of the game until the very end & so far I don't see that with RDR2.

[doggo84]

RDR2 is perfect in every way.

[Elda]

LOL!! That's nice if you really think so.

[doggo84]

@Elda

It's one of the best games of this generation. Highest rated game this gen as well.

[Elda]

@doggo84 LOL!!! Highest rated because they were probably paid & R* fanatics. I'm playing the game & it's definitely not in the slightest a masterpiece & I have every right to feel that way.You do know not everyone that bought RDR2 are blind sheep or butt kissing R* fanatics.

[doggo84]

"Highest rated because they were probably paid & R* fanatics."

Yea that's most likely the case as to why it received such vast critical acclaim, journalists were paid off(sarcasm)

"I'm playing the game & it's definitely not in the slightest a masterpiece & I have every right to feel that way.You do know not everyone that bought RDR2 are blind sheep or butt kissing R* fanatics."

Show me where I said that your opinion is wrong or that your opinion is stupid and mine is right. I just gave you my opinion. Lmao so people who like the game are blind sheep and kiss Rockstar's Ass? Lmao lmao lmao lmao ok. Elda, Lord almighty, I'm sorry for being a blind sheep because I love RDR 2 :D

[King_Noctis]

You don’t have to play it you know. I see you on every RDR’s article. Just play other great games that you have.

[Elda]

I see you stalking me in those articles with your same comments that don't sway me when basically you're just wasting your time. LMAO!!

[King_Noctis]

I’m sorry, but you are not a celebrity whom have people stalking you bro. I am just annoy that on every RDR’s article you are always comment hating on the game. If you don’t like it, then just don’t play it.

[-Foxtrot]

And we see you on every article defending it and trying to call people who state criticisms...

Basically

"I only want to see comments that support MY views of the game"

If you like the game then don't reply to people telling them off that they don't think it's a masterpiece.

[Dragonscale]

@king, it happens all the time on here or hadn't you noticed. So by your metric this article and the ones like it should be banned as well then.

[Elda]

No bro here. Celebrity or not you stalk me taking up for RDR2 but your efforts are effortless.Whatever comments you make on this site I don't bother responding to you whatever article you're in because I don't care & the only reason I'm responding to you now is in defense.If you like RDR2 so much why do you seem to care what I think about when it comes to RDR2 & you feel the need to respond to me when you should be somewhere happy playing it. I can state how I feel about RDR2 as much as I want that's why N4G implemented making comments may you like it or not.something I will continue to do.LMAO & smh.

[DerekTweed]

While it's not perfect in every way, it is definitely one of the best games ever.

If you think that the high review scores are from R* fanatics or paid for, do you think the same thing about PlayStation exclusives or Xbox exclusive?

[Imalwaysright]

Knowing this website I wouldn't at all be surprised if some people were already "sharpening" their arguments to use them if RDR2 wins goty instead of an exclusive.

[Xaevi]

I think the problem is their physics engine, movement has been a bit of a sluggish annoyance since GTA IV. Not much to say about RDR2 since i haven't played it, but GTA V did disappoint me a bit.

[Skankinruby]

That's because GTA 5 sucked ass. Horrible driving mechanics and a pathetic excuse for a campaign. Rockstars core fanbase seems to want a non stop button masher with a brainless call of duty level campaign, all you can do is laugh

[Profchaos]

Every character in their hd games moves with a different amount of weight Nikko with shrapnel in his leg walked with a limp Arthur a 30 to 40 year old cowboy who's lived hard for all of his life isn't an athlete but Franklin and Louis moved quickly and responsive because they were young and in shape.

The character design and weight behind the characters has always been a critical point in all their hd games.

[boing1]

This kind of articles are becoming a chore to read.

[mezati99]

when i come ask from home after a long day of work, i just wanna relax, and just be stress free and play some games

this game is the exact f***ing opposite of that, this game honestly feels like a goddamn job with how many pointless mechanics in the game, it feels like rockstar actively trying to make the game NOT fun to play

i regret paying $60 for this to be honest

[DerekTweed]

If they are pointless, don't do them.

You don't have to do the chores at camp. You don't have to shave. You don't have to take a bath or go to the barber.

What mechanics are you talking about exactly?

[Hungryalpaca]

You don’t have to do any of this stuff.

Maybe you should have researched the game before buying it.

[salmonade]

So true. Hunting has become so boring and tedious. I'm so sick of the 'skinning' animations. I know it's more realistic, but now I just want to turn off all the slow chugging animations in the entire game.

[DerekTweed]

I rarely hunt so I don't see it very often but I can understand it would become tedious after a while.

Same with the looting animation on dead bodies. I rarely bother anymore.

Still love the game and am enjoying it though.

[salmonade]

Oh yeah for sure. Game is still awesome.

[Profchaos]

You don't have to hunt or do any of that you can literally ignore the camp and just do the story missions

[THC CELL]

Never trust perfect half baked reviews

[AK91]

The game isn't made for those short attention spans or impatience. It's a slow paced game that wants to envelope gamers into their world.

If your more of an action oriented person who isn't interested in world building or being a part of a well written narrative you should go play Fortnite or Blackout. I'm not insulting those who play BR games either just simply stating RDR2 SP isn't for you wait until RDR Online or play something else.

[Greg2801]

Really dont understand these chore articles.

We finally get a open world game that does not feel like a world that is stuffed with useless things, and people still complain.

I love the pace of this game, maybe just dont try to rush trough it?
I understand it needs getting used to if you just played spiderman or black ops.
But this is not sluggish at all, the movement is just more realistic compared to other games.

I now for sure if Rockstar did not do al these amazing little gameplay mechanics and details. People would have have complaint that the game was empty and more of the same. Dont understand this gaming generation at all.

[Skankinruby]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Gamers these days seem to prefer the generic pointless button mashing 'blow n' go' gameplay it hurts my brain reading these idiots comments

[KryptonKronos]

Its taken me 5 days to master the controls by switching them up for free aim. The slow and steady pace of the game is something you've got to get used to. But RDR2s controls are no where near as bad as trying to control a polish Marsh mellow man in GTA IV.

The only thing i can recommend to stop Arthur from feeling like a puppet is to turn your look/aim deadzone all the way down and your look sensitivity one above half way. Your aiming Sensitivity is really personal choice.

[Dfooster]

I love the slow pace and the slow animations. It makes it feel more grounded than other games and it's a nice game to chill out to whilst playing.

[pyroxxx]

Hell even 20 hours in I thought it was a piece of crap,.. absolutely hated everything about it,.. menus the most Mass and inertia did not click with me yet,.. disabled deadzones,.. and once this game clicks with you,.. and you start role-playing it instead of trying to clear off the list ((like you usually do in AC games),.. you realize how damn brilliant it really is,.. I'd put it right there with Souls games, BB and resi4,.. it has these moments you will never forget,..

They need to do something about the fishing though,.. I really don't want to break my controller,.. what kinda rotations they expect a normal person to do with fingers,... you basically have to palm it,.. I Love the fishing,.. just don't make brake my things

[pyroxxx]

PS,.. just tried dynamite fishing,.. and it works,.. This game is awesome !! LOLED so hard

[CrimsonWing69]

Then you’re not playing it right.

[BenRC01]

The controls absolutely suck. It looks like a PS5 game but plays like a PS3 game. After sinking 40hrs into cod (sublime controls whatever you think of the game) this is just a MASSIVE ballache to try and do anything.
The walking speed is painfully slow, coming out of sprint (which is guesswork at best) feels like you're back in 3 foot of snow again. The context sensitive controls mean you never know what a button press will actually do so you're never fully in control of the character. How can Rockstar put so much effort into this world yet just copy and paste gta3 controls.
I can't fight this game any longer.

[boing1]

You don't get it yet then. You actually should play more instead of quitting.

[BenRC01]

Why? I could be doing something I enjoy.

[jcole97]

I don’t get all the hate to be honest.. The game feels perfect imo

[lying_cake]

shooting/aiming/controls are fine - since the opinions are subjective, people usually don't like to admit they aren't good at a game.

[BenRC01]

The game is stupidly easy despite the garbage control scheme.

[Phi39582]

You can adjust many options to improve these gripes

[BoneMagnus]

For me this game is a nice change of pace from what I’ve been playing recently - Dark Souls 3 - which is super intense, dark, creepy and lonely.

I love DS3, but RDR2 has beautiful nature scenery, and I don’t have to worry about a freaky creature jumping out at me. I also really enjoy the characters and story of RDR2.

I’m not comparing the two - just that they create very different moods - and which I choose to play on a given day will depend on what I’m in the mood for. I like having options.

[Prince-Ali]

thats not the discussion here bro lol

[flak]

It's all an exaggeration to say worse controls ever. I think it's built more like a Sim but I personally have not stopped playing it.
Plus I can just play red dead redemption on Xbox for a more arcade experience.

[RDOUBLE]

The game does look great and the attention to detail is unbelievable. But I am finding this game boring, maybe I am in the minority but in my opinion this game is overrated. Dont get me wrong its a good game just not the best game of all time like people are calling it.

[starchild]

But you understand that NO game will ever be GOTY or GOAT for every person. There's not one right answer. We all have different preferences and prerogatives when it comes to our games.

[BenRC01]

You're not alone, I got bored too. Felt like a dull job rather than an exciting video game.

[SharpCT]

Oh god... now everyone is going to hate on the game. 😂😂😂

[quenomamen]

Thats why god made COD.

[Aaroncls7]

I knew you casual bois were going to cry a goddamn river.
There are plenty of options to ease down the controls (fps controls, less tapping for actions,etc)

[BenRC01]

Lmao, doesn't get more casual than rdr2 or GTA. Those of us used to more hardcore experiences moved on from these crappy controls years ago.

[metalgod88]

The game controls exactly as it should. You're a cowboy in the year 1899. If you don't like it, play something else. No need to tell the world how you dislike the physics in a physics based game.

[Prince-Ali]

your comment has actually confused me lol... whats the time frame got to do with the controls being sluggish or the mechanics making the game a chore to play..?

[metalgod88]

It's 1899 and everything that keeps you alive is sitting on your waist and possibly your back(gun). The only ways to get around are horse or train and I'm sure that gets tiring real quick. So take a sec. and think about it. You have 20-30 lbs (at least) of stuff you're carrying around your waist and you ride a horse to really get anywhere. You're heavy and your horse is heavy, plus it's carrying stuff too.

Of course your movement is going to feel slower. But... what makes you say this game is a chore to play?

This game gives me a look at what life may have been like 120 years ago and does it in such a realistic fashion that I really don't want to put it down. I'm sorry some of you folks can't get past the controls and really enjoy this one.

[Realms]

People aren't wrong go play MGS5 or even Horizon Zero Dawn and the movement is much better. RDR2 is sluggish in comparison, RDR2 is more like the Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 and those games came out 3 years ago.

[chiefJohn117]

No it's realistic. Jumping on a 100 foot robot dinosaur is gonna feel better than barely able to jump a 4 ft gap on a mountain. But which is more real? RDR2 is the closest to life game yet and that's what I wanted from it. Same goes for GTA I want them go for realism. Horizon and the Witcher are fantasy. I want game like to to play out like a movie or anime. Aka unreal. Y'all came in with wrong expectations. You don't play an RTS then complain about camera angles lol

[Realms]

Oh my real and video games what an oxymoron since you have to suspend your disbelief to even play video games. The fact that you are comparing a video game to reality is hilarious the purpose of video game is to be fun above everything else and some aspects of RDR2 suck IMO because they are not fun.

[chiefJohn117]

Realms that's your opinion, which I disagree with. Reality can't be fun? Well VR is trash to realms cause it brings games closer to reality. Gtfoh

[BenRC01]

Wrong.

[Samonuske]

The hate for the game simply comes from expectations, it’s not what a lot of people expected the game to be so theyre majorly disappointed. I love the direction they took and it’s easily in my eyes one of the greatest games ever made and it’s a marvellous achievement.

[3-4-5]

I like the slow pacing of the game. It's meant to be a long haul journey, not a short adventure.

[Cartman55125]

I know no one wants to hear someone complain about how they don't have time to game with work, school, family, etc. But as someone who has trouble finding time to game, RDR2 is a chore. It is super slow and the controls are beyond confusing.

[chiefJohn117]

How is it confusing? Control wise the only thing I think they should change is opening the satchel. Move it to the right bumper

[BenRC01]

Totally agree

[pody]

All the sites did a horrible job reviewing this game. They all fell for the hype.

[BenRC01]

Yup. Although there's a hell of a lot of reviews agreeing with how garbage and ancient the controls are.

[pody]

And I guess they were all discredited right away as clickbait.

[BKirckof]

While I don't agree with everything this article has say there is one point made that I can completely get behind.

"As I said before, the gunplay in this game just is not good. I don’t understand how Rockstar made a game like Max Payne 3 with excellent gunplay and then went on to make Grand Theft Auto V and now this game. It doesn’t make sense."

The author is 100% right about this and I'm glad someone has come out and said it because it has bothered me for some time. I was particularly excited for GTA V following Max Payne 3. I felt that game laid the foundation for how firefights would play out in GTA V. I still remember how disappointed I was during GTA V's opening when it became apparent that the game would lean heavily on aim assist in order to cover up just how unrefined the aiming mechanic was. Granted, RDR 2's aiming does feel smoother by comparison but it's nowhere near where it should be for a AAA game in 2018.

[Prince-Ali]

honestly... im about 2/3 hours in and it REALLLLYYYYY is a chore to play! RDR2 is certianly the best looking and the most in depth open world game there is but i sincerely hope other studios dont use RDR2 as inspiration going forward because honestly that would be terrible! literally the game feels SUPER finnicky it gets annoying at at the best of times and tedious at the worst of it *sigh* ¬__¬

[BenRC01]

It's like a crappy job playing this game.

[Youngindy21]

I was never a fan of the first RDR. I never understood the hype. The first was essentially a western clone of GTA IV.

[DrumBeat]

Yeah, by far the most annoying thing in this game is positioning yourself correctly to loot things. Especially in crowded areas full of lootable things. You have to painstakingly position the camera until the object you want to loot is highlighted. Then you have to wait for the animation which sometimes looks silly, because Arthur will float into position to pick up some hay or place it down. It's slow, tedious, and downright aggravating. It literally makes me hot under the collar to think about. I much prefer the Assassin's Creed route when looting bodies. I'll gladly trade immersion for efficiency in this case.

[chiefJohn117]

You can press rb to cycle what you want to loot

[chiefJohn117]

Casuals

[BenRC01]

....play rdr2 and GTA.

[AllMightyFox]

Why am I not surprised at this article ?!?

idk maybe it's because like any non-braindead slug can figure out, that even though countless reviews have raved at the greatness of this game, only to come to the conclusion a week after sales we get "this game blows" remarks ….

Tell me, tell the readers please, tell us how you can give raving reviews 9/10, 9.5, instant classic prior to the games release, to articles like this … whether it be RDR2 or Forsaken DLC, to the upcoming Battlefield 5 ….

it's always the same at that's why I scoff and laugh at most articles, it's painful obvious at this point
Kingdom Come Deliverance was 1 such game most people hated and the review wasn't remotely true about the game.

https://n4g.com/news/214583...

[nibblo]

For people expecting GTA V in the west then yes I can see it being a chore to play, I expected a western sim and that was what I got so I'm happy. It's not without it's bugs and flaws but for a detailed world so large and interactive it still fills me full of wonder at how they managed to create it (100's of employees, millions of dollars and years of development is probably the answer)

[DafunkyRebel]

My two main complaints are the cooking being the damn stock meat object even when I’m cooking a crab it shows me cooking a piece of steak like what the hell you put so much effort into details but this thing here you forget?Also the fact the the dead eye in this game is pure shit compared to RDR as well as the combat which pair with the slow sluggish controls is pure horseshit

[Profchaos]

Gamers "the games not realistic enough"
Developers "ok the characters are now given the feeling of weight appropriate to their age and stature, the looting requires Arthur to pick up the corpse and search it and you actually have to travel now"

Gamers " it's to slow I want it to play like assassin's Creed so I can scale buildings and sprint everywhere at a lightning fast pace also tell me everything about the game and its unlocks in the first ten minutes so there's no surprises or sense of discovery and finally play the game for me"

Arthur feels like a tank because he should he's a 30 to 40 year old man who's more into robbing and drinking than athletic pursuits. What did you expect him to feel like

It's like previous GTA games Nikko was slow as he had shrapnel in his leg from the war and walked with a limp. Johnny was a tank because he was a biker who lived like Arthur in fact Luis and Franklin have been the only in shape protags since in the hd universe.

Actually John Marston controlled decent but he was a Slimer quicker character.

[chiefJohn117]

Preaching facts. Ppl are wishy washy

[RabbitFly]

How the world has changed. A game with bad pacing is now a game that is too slow. It used to be the other way around. Which is also where the expression comes from.

I. E. To pace yourself, does not mean to go all out 100% of the time. A game used to get praise for great pacing it was when it gave you moments to breathe and appreciate the smaller details. Now a days it seems the oposite is true.

Regardless pacing is always off in open world games as they, by design, let you control your own pace.