Native 4k in Red Dead Redemption 2, Does it Matter?

Gamerheadquarters; "While resolution rarely factors into how enjoyable a game can be there, there is a sense of realism that's presented through a higher resolution."

[UltraNova]

To the people who want to feel good about their Xboxone X purchase yeah I'd say it does, to the rest of us as in 99% of all xbox/ps4 onwers I'd say no, it doesn't matter to the slightest since we end up playing the exact same game.

[BenRC01]

You just don't get it. 4k, it's stunning.

[Cmv38]

So is whatever resolution I'm getting on my pro and 1080p television.

[Switch4One]

I'm going to guess it's 1080p.

[JackBNimble]

I am sure 4k is stunning, but even on the ogps4 the game looks great and runs smooth.
I have absolutely no complaints about resolution on the ogps4 or the frame rate.

[WilliamSheridan]

If graphics didn't matter, we'd still be playing NES

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

4K >>>>> 1080P. For those who disagree, I can tell you have never tried 4k. Hell, I only game on my PC at 2k and it is above and beyond better than 1080P. 1080P and 60fps is getting old. Hell none of the consoles can even do 60

[Duke19]

Yeah as a recent convert to 4k - there is absolutely a difference in native 4k vs anything less than that (on my PS4 Pro). Anyone arguing there is no visual differences is just doing damage control for their system of choice.

and to qualify - im getting it on PS4 Pro (since I dont have an X), although im sure it would look even more amazing on Xbox judging from the horrendously compressed youtube comparisons I have seen (which even there show a huge disparity)

[Babadook7]

I’d say 4K makes a difference. Whether it’s native or 2160p CBR.

[DarXyde]

WilliamSheridan,

"If graphics didn't matter, we'd still be playing NES"

Is that the only benefit of hardware evolution over NES? No. It's not.

[BrettAwesome]

@BRAVE_LOSERS
1080p IS 2k 😉

[UltraNova]

Some people will have you believe that everybody has all 4 systems side by side with 4 copies of the same game and get to see with their own eyes, in real-time which version is the best looking and which is the "worse"...yeah.. newsflash, no one is like that.

The setup you have will produce the visuals you get to see and get used to. RDR2 looks great on all consoles and it doesn't matter for the individual, it will only matter if for example an OG xbone gamer played some of the game and then decides to switch(no pun intended) to a Pro or X. Think about the odds there for a moment.

The whole point here is that the game is optimized and looks great on the systen you onw right now and it shouldn't matter to you if it can look even better on another system simply because you would have bought one already if it did.

[andibandit]

@UltraNova

"and it doesn't matter for the individual"

thank you for speaking on my behalf, but you are wrong.

[UltraNova]

@andibandit

I wasn't speaking on your behalf though and we can agree to disagree there.

[ChrisW]

It all comes down to one question:

Do you have a 4K TV?

[mikeslemonade]

All you commoners are still playing at 30 frames. I will get the PC version and play on my 2080ti, max settings at 4K at 60 frames.

[UnHoly_One]

I'd gladly give up 4k to have true HDR instead of the halfassed fake HDR they used.

https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

[WilliamSheridan]

You also forget, we get the resolution increase AND more stable framerate. That's 2 reasons. Look, I own a pro and an X... X gives the better experience with multi plats... And pro has great exclusives. Let's just after on the strengths of each system and move on

[MoonConquistador]

I've not upgraded my TV to a 4K model yet but upgraded to a Pro at the weekend as it came with a copy of RDR2.

That was mainly for the frame rate issues which have been mentioned in reviews and I was gonna upgrade eventually. Oh, and I have more money than sense lol

[Lionsguard]

I was mulling over buying a Xbox One X because I wanted the highest res and FPS as possible but after looking at their list of games and upcoming releases, it's pretty pathetic. I have no other reason to keep the X after RDR2. I thought by now they'd have a decent lineup to justify the purchase but I can't. The X has nothing I'm interested in and nothing new on the horizon either. I already bought the Xbox One Day One Edition and I played a grand total of 1 game on it, Dead Rising 3. It's now sitting next to me having played literally nothing else in it's entire life. Only if Microsoft had a decent lineup other than Forza (I'm not a racing guy) and Sea of Thieves (Meh).

[xRacer74x]

Exactly. This man gets it.

[WilliamSheridan]

"Let's agree* on the strengths... "

And to the gentleman who said he was going to but an X for increased resolution and framerate, but couldn't see a reason to keep it down the road. That makes no sense. Every game that comes out will have the better resolution and framerate. So if RDR2 is worth buying the X, every single other game that gets released looking even better is reason enough to keep it.

It's like upgrading your video card. You might play the same games, but they will look and run better.

I love both systems for what they are. Let's just enjoy being gamers.... Hugs?

[Skankinruby]

BOOM, I rarely give agrees/disagrees but kudos to you for stating the obvious

[TheOtherMoon]

Yes...that's what its all about - Xbox X users feeling good about their purchase. After having the system for this long...finally I can stop feeling so foolish about my purchase. *sighs* ...redemption ... Red Dead Redemption.

[B1uBurneR]

That makes no sense. The system is not even a year old, but since day one it had breathtaking visuals. We are just happy... well me.. That according to the masses RDR2 is one of the best looking game of this generation taking full advantage of the 4K pixel and HDR in my tv, the beast once again is not half stepping. I predicted a 3rd party game was gonna sh!!!t on sony exclusives visually. For those that want to peak into the future aka next gen. The X is your window as a console.

[DarkVoyager]

“Yes...that's what its all about - Xbox X users feeling good about their purchase.”

Or you could just accept that the Xbox One X version loooks and plays best as DF stated and leave it at that.

[ChasingTheSun]

Thats the exact reason they are bragging, im playing the same game as them and many more down the road that will never be on xbox.

[TheOtherMoon]

@B1uBurneR
@DarkVoyager

Guys, please reread what I wrote - I own an Xbox X and I'm playing RDR2 on my Xbox X. I was commenting on how ridiculous the OP sounds. I appreciate your support for the Xbox X, I love it too and the games is very pretty.

[Vasto]

What people dont get is that its more then just 4K. Its also image quality, shadows, lighting, textures and more.

[DarkVoyager]

“Native 4k in Red Dead Redemption 2, Does it Matter?”

No. I’d rather play at a lower resolution.

What a dumb question.

[ChasingTheSun]

Let them enjoy this moment because the xboxone brand has nothing to offer, they acting like its a killer app and that it looks totally different and runs at 60fps on the X, i played it on the x and own it on base ps4 and the differences are minimal at best besides the resolution difference.

Why dont digital foundry or candyland compare the base ps4 vs base xboxone like they have done for every game this gen? Lets see which base console that 95% of all us own comes out on top. I bet microsoft paid these sites not to compare the base console because phil spencer and major nelson are liars and shady.

[Neonridr]

the salt flowing out of you is ridiculous.

[Obscure_Observer]

@UltraNova

"to the rest of us as in 99% of all xbox/ps4 onwers I'd say no, it doesn't matter to the slightest since we end up playing the exact same game"

Xbox One X´s RDR2 version not only has the double pixels count compared to PS4 Pro, but also 30fps LOCKED! So how exactly "we" end up playing the exact same game?

[rainslacker]

Content is the same across the two. Game play is the same across the two. Could even say its the same across all 4 consoles.

That may be why people consider it playing the same game, because not everyone considers graphics or marginal differences in frame rates as something to differentiate a game from the same game on another system.

At least that was my understanding of how it worked for those years in this gen before the X1X was released. It gets hard to keep up with what people care about though, so maybe I'm going on outdated fan boy rhethoric.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

"It gets hard to keep up with what people care about though, so maybe I'm going on outdated fan boy rhethoric."

Pherhaps; because imo there´s nothing "marginal" in comparing a game which runs at native 4K with locked 30fps vs a game which has a blurry image and frames dropping below 23fps.

[rainslacker]

That's all good and fine, but maybe extend that marginal comment to mean that people don't care about significant or marginal differences in frame rates as something to differentiate game from the same game on another system.

Beyond the graphics and differences in frame rates, which really aren't as exceptional as you make them out to be since it's not consistently dropping below 30fps on PS4P, the actual content, and game play is exactly the same, and PS4P still looks phenomenal.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

"Beyond the graphics and differences in frame rates, which really aren't as exceptional as you make them out to be since it's not consistently dropping below 30fps on PS4P"

Fair enough. But i wasn´t talking about the PS4 Pro in that particular comment. I was talking about the base systems which i think is not good enough to handle modern/new big AAA games. And yes, there´s a gulf between the same game, at the same price, running on base vs iterative systems.

[ZeroX9876]

it matters to whomever can run it at that resolution and has the TV/monitor to support it.
clickbait article to pit fanboys against each other again
Xbox One X owners paid more for their hardware than PS4Pro owners, surely we expect it to run better. paying more to get less would'nt make any sense. Same when the PC version comes out (if ever)

[Sieden]

I had a PS4 version pre-ordered for my Pro until I seen the Digital Foundry breakdown, I now own an Xbox One X.

[UltraNova]

Cool story bruh.

[starchild]

Just like someone watching a movie on DVD and a 30" TV is watching the same exact movie as someone watching it on Blu-ray and 65" TV. It just isn't as visually engaging and immersive.

[rainslacker]

That's probably the closest analogy I've seen, although I think the differences in this case aren't quite as stark.

But realistically, all these people know what's being said, they just want to pretend it doesn't make sense so they can try and make an argument on their own.

[nucky64]

agree, ultra. and here's the real proof to support your arguement - if the people disagreeing with you were right, these 4k consoles would be selling so fast, sony and MS couldn't make the pro or X fast enough - and this is NOT the case. they aren't selling as fast as the 1080p versions and it's because there just isn't that big of an upgrade. i love new tech; but, i'm not buying a mid-gen marginal upgrade - it's just not worth it.
btw - i'm LOVING rdr2 on my launch ps4.

[Dizzy11523]

I feel pretty darn good. And Glad I can play it in glorious 4K.

[Neonridr]

but yet it mattered when it was 1080p vs 900p or 900p vs 720p. You guys acted like it was a totally different game and felt bad for the poor XB1 gamers. Now suddenly it doesn't matter as it's the same game which ironically is exactly what the Xbox gamers were saying before. It's like watching a fight between people with no long term memories.

[UltraNova]

Yep.

[AAWELLS09]

Resolution was certainly a big deal at the start of this generation when it was in favor of PS console. And dont say it wasnt as there was 100's of articles talking about how resolution makes you a better gamer and how the Xbox One is inferior due to the res differences. And mark my words once PS5 comes out it will def matter again especially if it beats the next Xbox to market then all this crap starts all over again. It matters for sure and no amount of disagrees will change that.

[UltraNova]

Nope. It mattered when an inferior spec wise console cost 100 dollars more than the superior one. Get your facts straight.

[ThatOneRiggaNob]

but that wasn't the case when it was 720p vs 1080p now was it?

[gamer7804]

first you have to define "matter". does it matter in the end enjoyment of the story? No. But it does give players more feast for the eyes, its like watching a standard blu ray vs watching an UHD blu ray except they both cost the same price as long as you have a device to play it on. So if you have the choice, its a no brainer to get the xbox one x version.

[warriorcase]

This. The amount of detail in clothing, enviroments and weapons in 4k is incredibly detailed and crisp. Don't know how rockstar pulled it off but im glad they got some wizards to work this magic.

[Switch4One]

It's not a game changer or deal breaker either way. It's definitely a nice bonus to have on a great game but nobody should be upset about not having it.

[josh-eh]

I'm pretty upset about it. I'd be okay with not having native 4k if the checkerboard 4k on PS4 Pro was implemented well. God of War and Spiderman weren't native 4K but were MUCH sharper than Red Dead 2. Look at the stars at night on a PS4 pro.. it's not sharp and the stars are blurry.

Also, HDR is broken in the game, colors look washed out.

I am SOOOO dissapointed right now, this was suppose to be the biggest game of the generation and I feel like I'm playing it in 720p. PLEASE PATCH THIS ROCKSTAR!

[Cmv38]

Wow. Its really not that deep.

[mkis007]

To be fair the stars are like the on X too...

[2pacalypsenow]

Sounds like you have a shitty tv tbh.

[Switch4One]

Well I don't know about all of that, I don't have a Pro so I can't say anything contrary to what you are saying.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Yeah they need to fix the hdr problem but calm down bro. If you have a decent 4k tv and the pro, you should be good. I was having issues with the sharpness until I turned hdr off...so keep that off until we receive a patch.

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

I agree and im very disappointed by the visuals on the pro.Everything is so blurry, so i play with my pro forced to 1080p.

This needs to be patched.I even ponder buying a x because of the visual fidelity on hand

[Hereforthecrybabies]

Crying because the stars dont look nice lmao i dont think ive looked to the stars once since im to busy being an outlaw!

[TKCMuzzer]

I think it has more to do with the type of AA solution than resolution.

[Spartacus10]

You probably would be upset if you dropped £350 on a mid-gen upgrade that was promoted using massive 4k logos everywhere, and you still cant have it.

Personally it doesn't matter that much to me so I'm happy waiting until next gen when its the norm, and good 4k HDR gaming monitors are more affordable.

[mad-dog]

Of course that matters. Game looks phenomenal on the X. Too bad Rockstar kinda fucked up with the Pro version. Because that's the version i'm playing. Lot's of people have issues with how it looks on their pro. In my case i think it looks fine. Just a bit soft.

[akurtz]

Turn off hdr

[mad-dog]

It's off and that doesn't cause it.

[Bruh]

Its not a good implementation of checkerboard rendering, at 1920x2160 it justs not gonna look sharp on a 4K screen

[WickedLester]

There will be a patch. Just wait and see.

[OpenGL]

They disable the sharpening option in the 4K mode (or if you have supersampling enabled in your system menu and use a 1080p TV). PS4 Pro owners with 1080p TVs should disable super-sampling for now as the game actually looks better that way, and it eliminates the minor frame dips that occur in the 4K mode.

[KickSpinFilter]

Well you better not play it on the org XB1 looks like mud puddles compared to the other 3.

[Bruh]

I could only imagine, the Pro version looks like soup, guessing the OG Xbox one version looks like flash floods

[Artemidorus]

It looks totally fine on OG Xbox One.

[2pacalypsenow]

What issues?

I'm playing on a C7 and it looks great.

[mad-dog]

Your screen doesn't matter. And it looks fine. Just a bit soft compared to the X version. Rockstar is looking in to it, anyway. People think it could have something to do with the method of checkerboard rendering and the weird resolution they chose for the Pro. We'll see. Don't let it bother you too much. The game is amazing .

[TKCMuzzer]

I just whacked up the sharpness on my TV all the way. That helps.

[mad-dog]

haha, ewww.

[CarlDechance]

Looks great on my PS4 Pro. If I didn't know already and someone lied to me and said it was native 4K, I would have believed them.

[BigKev45]

Yeah, ok buddy.

[CarlDechance]

Sure thing pal

[Hungryalpaca]

It doesn’t look native 4k. It’s very blurry compared to a native 4k game.

[CarlDechance]

I’ve noticed nothing blurry in the game. But I’m also not stopping the game constantly and analyzing it close up. I’m just playing the game and it looks great.

[rainslacker]

That's odd, since all the marketing before release was done from PS4P grabs, and no one said it was blurry then.

Did people need DF to point out the blurriness to them before they recognized it? That's quite strange considering people go to great lengths to point out that the PS4P sucks and is blurry, textures are changed in the slightest, any almost insignificant lighting change is now a major problem, and that puddles go missing.

But not a single person noted the game being so blurry before?

Was this game downgraded for PS4P before release?

I don't think the PS4P version is as sharp as the X1X version, but the claims that it's significantly better on the X1X are greatly exaggerated. I also think the flaws that are there on the PS4P are greatly overstated as to their impact on the overall picture quality, because the game still looks phenomenal on the PS4P.

[JokerBoy422]

Digital Foundry confirmed its native 4K on Xbox One X only. OG Xbox One users get 840p and a very blurry experience. Thats what youre seeing. That or youre not playing on a 4K TV with your X. Either that OR, youre TV settings are all fucked.

[crazyCoconuts]

Size of screen, distance from screen, eyesight, expectations, and personal attentiveness all goes into whether someone would notice the difference. That should be obvious to the jokers that are challenging your opinion.

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

I haven't watched not one single trailer or teaser b4 i purchased this game.

The game looked like ass from the moment i saw it.

It is what it is

[mad-dog]

Yeah... well, i guess we don't all have the same eyesight.

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

Thats the fanboy talking, because the game looks like shit on ps4 pro in 4k hdr.

[CarlDechance]

No, not fanboy talking. I just needed to play more. Yes, I admit that I am seeing the blur that I hadn't noticed before after I went back and played some other games and then returned to RDR2. It is not a game changer by any means, but yes it is there. So I stand corrected.

[Team_Litt]

I don't know man. It kinda looks like you were happy to deny any problems whatsoever here and you were prepared to call it the most 4K looking game ever.

Then you saw that other article saying Rockstar have acknowledged the problem and now it's "oh yeah I just needed to play it a bit more, it's definitely blurry.

I'm not saying that's the case but it certainly looks that way from where I'm sitting.

Blurred Loyalty to Playstation. Tihihi! I'm coining that! Nobody steal it!

[CarlDechance]

I wrote the acknowledgment of the issue before the rockstar article was even posted on n4g. I was not aware of what Rockstar said about it until it was posted on n4g.

Anything else? You seem to be stalking me. Not saying you are, but here you are again.

[Silly gameAr]

They're trying their best to make it matter.

[bolimekurac]

if it doesnt matter then you guys dont need a more powerful ps5, right??

[sizeofyou]

Resolution isn't as important as AI, graphical flourishes, greater interaction and better slicker gameplay. IMO. And that will always come with a faster device. And the elite will be saying why don't the latest consoles reach 8k...not a concern to me.

[CarlDechance]

Frames per second. That's why I game primarily on PC.

[Jinger]

@sizeofyou

Why have graphical flourishes if the screen isn't sharp enough to show those small details? The finer the details and graphical flourishes the better the resolution you need to see those things. Otherwise why not just stay at 720p for every game?

[Rude-ro]

With the games Sony has been providing, which have been the best looking games this gen, no... ps5 is not needed until there is a significant jump in a reason to get a ps5.
That’s the difference in one console over the other.

[JackBNimble]

Bolimekurac
That's a really dumb statement, we're going to stop progressing with console generations because we are satisfied with RDR2 on ps4?

I can't believe anyone even agrees with this.

I could have paid for a pro or an X but I don't feel the need to "Waist" anymore money on Hardware this Gen.

[Kribwalker]

@rudero

It’s safe to say the best looking game this gen has become RDR2, and in native 4k it’s stunning. No artifacting, no stretch pixels because of 1920x2160 rendering.

[sizeofyou]

@Jinger
So "realism" achieved by TV and blu ray on even a 1080P TV has been achieved by games to date? There's still a long way to go ...even for HD, let alone UHD. There's plenty of shine that can be achieved by stronger hardware that can still raise the bar and be visible..flourishes as I call them. When hair and trees started moving in games we were amazed. Start considering true physics to an even greater degree and even HD could show us more...

[WickedLester]

I want PS5 for better framerate, higher quality textures, better AI, better draw distances, etc. I have a 1080p Panasonic Plasma and I plan on gaming on it until it gives up the ghost. 4K is actually what concerns me the least.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Rude-ro

You better be prepared for some disappointment since a PS5 announcement/release might be closer than you think. Imo, Sony didn´t announced any new AAA first party game since E3 for a reason.

Gamescom, nothing.
TGS only third party exclusives announcements.
Paris, so far nothing.
PSX18, skipped.

[KickSpinFilter]

No we don't, were good till 2020, 2021 would be better but I don't see that happening.

[rainslacker]

No, we don't really need it. And that's what is often said when all the Xbox fan boys on about how the PS5 is coming next year.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

"No, we don't really need it."

Sony doesn´t care for what you "need". There´s lots of investors, stakeholders, shareholders, execs, etc to answer to through a detailed roadmap and clear deadline. And yes, we hearded the same tired line "No, we don't really need it." before and what happened is that the PS4 was the released the same year that TLOU on PS3 hit the shelves.

Besides, RDR2 pretty much proved that this generation is done! One can only wonder how the S and the base PS4 will handle games like Anthem and Cyberpunk 2077.

[gangsta_red]

Native 1080p sure did matter, what changed?

[Kribwalker]

Native 1080p made you a better gamer.....

In all’s seriousness tho, back when we had discussions about 1080p/900p or less, we consistently saw that the lesser console typically had a better locked frame rate (it was consistently tallied up to the faster cpu in the og one vs the og ps4)

Now, one the OneX, you typically have a better resolution, and more often then not (there are a few games that it’s not the case) you also have the better locked frame rate, to go with additional graphics effects and textures.

So while during the OG consoles performance test there was often a give and take. With the mid gen refreshes its typically one console provides both the best resolution and frame rate. So I’d say that native 4k without an additional gain in performance is far better then less then 4k and worse performance. Which is why the X is my console of choice for this masterpiece.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@gangsta
900p-720p didnt matter, what changed?
@kirbwalker
"we consistently saw that the lesser console typically had a better locked frame rate (it was consistently tallied up to the faster cpu in the og one vs the og ps4)"
I'm guessing you were hoping however read this comment would be ignorant enough to believe your statements and not fact check you right?

[gangsta_red]

"900p-720p didnt matter, what changed? "

900p to 720p didn't matter? What changed... Maybe when 720p went to 900p.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@gangsta red your comment made absolutly no sense and is the literal definition of deflecting.

[gangsta_red]

Well Xabi, i guess i'll have to explain further as one would when they're upset. Native 1080p was the hot thing to have in your game. Every game that could, tried to accomplish this resolution sometimes even sacrificing frames per second. Most gamers celebrated native 1080p and never questioned if it was necessary or mattered with their brand new shiny console

So, if native 1080p was a benchmark that defined a lot of games (especially for this gen) why wouldn't native 4k (for RDR2) matter? And especially for mid gen consoles?

[Kribwalker]

@dachosenone

https://kotaku.com/xbox-one...

“The PS4's approach causes the sensation of stutter to be worse at these stress points. Where performance is sub-30fps, Xbox One also retains a frame-rate advantage overall - and there's rarely a point in our analysis where Microsoft's hardware isn't ahea”

https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

“Visually it appears identical on both consoles, but in the majority of scenarios that challenge the game's 30fps cap, our tests reveal that it is the Xbox One that takes the lead.”

https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

There are plenty of games that were CPU heavy that ran with better frame rates on the OG Xbox because of the faster CPU

[Imalwaysright]

Resolution.......GATE!!! It's funny seeing those that spent years making a big deal and telling everyone how important native 1080p was now trying to tell everyone that native 4K is irrelevant. Personally I don't think it mattered much then as it doesn't matter much now but it's very satisfying to "see" that those smug smiles have been wiped from their faces.

[gangsta_red]

@Krib and Imalwaysright

Yeah, certain folks are now feigning some type of ignorance and pretending statements don't make any sense. I guess a lot has changed,

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@gangsta_red Your stating the obvious, the point of my response is if you are going to imply hypocrisy with your original comment
"Native 1080p sure did matter, what changed" than the same can be said about the other side which apprantly had no problem with Sub HD resolutions but now bragging about 4k.
@kirb walker
"Hard evidence of the PS4's frame-rate lead for the retail release of Battlefield 4 - even with its 50 per cent increase in resolution it can typically command a 10fps+ advantage during our stress-tests. However, both versions do have their pitfalls."
https://www.eurogamer.net/a...
Stop cherry picking
And the CPU in the Xbox One being a Difference Maker when it came to frame rate is hearsay both consoles are heavily dependent on the GPGPU you and both CPUs in their respective consoles are an after thought. Give it a rest.

[crazyCoconuts]

Speaking for myself, 1080p mattered when I had a 1080p projector, and now that I have a 4k projector, 4k matters. It doesn't matter enough for me to switch over to an XB1X (not a fan of MS at the moment), but it matters.

[gangsta_red]

@Xabi
"Your stating the obvious.."

Then why are you here?

"the point of my response is if you are going to imply hypocrisy with your original comment ."

Actually I don't since this comment is directed at the OP. And there's a huge major difference between Native 4k and 900p.

Also which side said there was no difference between 720p and 900p? I seriously doubt this. 900p to 1080p you might have had a point, but you blew it.

I love how some always desperately try and cling to the 'both sides' argument when the medicine is getting force fed down their throats.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@gangsta_red
"Actually I don't since this comment is directed at the OP."
Actually you did, anybody with common sense can see the context of your question.

"Also which side said there was no difference between 720p and 900p?"

Ummm.... What are you talking about? Nice strawmen/deflection, no one ever claimed that either side said there was a difference between the resolutions nice try buddy.

[Neonridr]

it sure as heck mattered at the start of this gen. Why suddenly not now?

[bolimekurac]

if it really doesnt matter like some people here are saying, then you guys dont need a new shiny powerful ps5 because it doesnt matter

[raWfodog]

We need the next gen because that will likely mean better games all around. I still don't give a damn about native vs checkerboard 4K. Obviously people some do and that's their prerogative. I just want better games that I love to play and higher, stable framerates.

[Obscure_Observer]

@raWfodog

To this very day we still have current gen games that looks (and plays) like PS2 games! Better hardware doesn´t make better developers.

[Neonridr]

I am sure if it was the other way around the stream of articles would never end. It's cool that it doesn't matter to you, but like you said, it definitely matters to some. Oh and that more stable framerate you speak of, the X delivers that more consistently. It's not just resolution we are talking about here.

[jukins]

What logic is that theres a difference between different versions of 1 game and an entire new console. The xbox 1 x version being technically better really doesnt matter because it's not like the game on xbox 1 x is providing anything that the other versions cant do it just looks prettier. The ai isnt better there arment more characters on screen there arnt any missions that the xbox 1 x can provide with it power advantage that even the xbox 1 s cant do.

Now a new console can open up new possibilities for gaming. But ultimately graphical advantages dont matter ,, much

[KickSpinFilter]

Ya we don't nor is it needed. We are fine waiting till 2020-21

[cfc83]

I distracted myself for too long by thinking "i wonder what it's like on 4k". Now i just get on with it on a stock xbox. Good for people with the x or pro, but i'm enjoying the game with no aim assistance and no complaints !

[roland82]

Funny when Xbox games were 900p and Ps4 games were 1080p it mattered.

[Jinger]

And that was a tiny difference compared to the leap of 1080p to 4k

[bolimekurac]

its called hypocrisy, it only matters when it has to do with sonys console.

[rainslacker]

@bolim

and it only didn't matter when it has to do with Xbox consoles.

Can't call hypocrisy without also recognizing how both sides have apparently changed their tunes.

So, you can either accept it matters or doesn't, but stick with it, because going forward, it's going to keep flipping. If you want to break the cycle of hypocrisy, then stop participating in it.

For me, I've never thought resolution mattered as much as the quality of the game itself, but could easily say how resolution can be a benefit. But if it's worth paying more for, that's something subjective that the individual can decide, and it appears that most people are capable of deciding for themselves what to spend their money on.

[Computersaysno]

Diminishing returns. Difference between 900p and 1080p on a large (lets say 60 inch) 1080p screen viewed 8 feet away is more noticeable than native 4K versus sub native on the same size of UHD screen the same distance away.

As you shrink the pixels (increase their number and density) you have less and less fidelity to gain. It gets to a point where having more resolution gains you very little, because you just cant see it on the size of screen you can fit in a living room from the average distance people sit away from it.

1600 x 900 is a relatively low resolution to display on a large HDTV. 1920 x 2160 (RDR2 PS4 Pro) isn't.

[CarlDechance]

Exactly right. All facts.

[Nuggies]

Let me tell you the first flaw in your argument. You won't notice as big of a difference when you sit 8 feet away from a 4k television, because you're supposed to sit at about 4 feet away from a 4k 60 inch display to appreciate the true clarity. Framing an argument does not make that argument valid.

[KickSpinFilter]

EXACTLY!!!!
I always use this as an example.
Checker board rendering and Native 4K are of diminishing returns: It's like comparing Sand at two different beaches at 6 feet away. The Org XB1 and PS4 was like comparing boulders and rocks at the beach.
As the resolutions go higher and higher, the human eye is going to notice less of a difference between to resolutions like Native/Checker, especially at 6 to 8 feet or more away from a screen where most reside when playing console games.

[rainslacker]

@Nuggies

The distance at which it becomes visible is kind of the point of saysno argument.

In fact, I'd say on a 60" screen, most people are even further away than 8 feet. The average living room is usually 12 feet in at least one direction, if not more in one that is longer than it is wide.

Not many people sit 4 feet from their TV, unless they play games more like they do on a computer, with a desk, or a kid with a smaller bed room(like when I was a kid sitting on my bed).

So, the real world application of the technology means that the differences between native 4K, and less than that but above 1440, are not really that much. There would probably be some differences noticed through the upscaling process, which could be discerned when played next to each other, but overall, most people can't really tell the difference.

Checkerboarding itself can introduce artifacts which can make it more obvious, but generally, it's better than a straight upscale which is just adding in pixel information where it may not always be consistent to add a pixel to, and tends to stretch an image unnaturally, although the higher the source image, the less noticeable that becomes too. Kind of like when you zoom a 720 video vs a 1080 video on a 4K screen. The 1080 tends to look a lot better, but the more pixels you keep adding, the less differences you see when you zoom.

[Computersaysno]

Your entire post Nuggies is based on the idea someone sits with their eyes 4 feet (48 inches) away from a 60 inch screen!

Lol who does that? Completely unrealistic scenario. 99 percent of people would sit AT LEAST twice that distance away from such a large screen while viewing.

[Rude-ro]

Still matters.
You went from a sub hd console last gen that offered nothing new for the last 4 years of its life... to another sub hd console offering even less.
Thing that “did not matter” pre x
Phil and the Microsoft team had “experts” break down sitting distances to dispel the differences between consoles.
Phil and the Microsoft team lied about actually quality of their titles and or fudged their “1080p” like in halo where the game was 900p but with a 1080p hud.
Or having eurogamer break down the technical marvels of quantum’s “720p” techniques.
What matters is getting the best bang for your buck.
The pro and the x puts more makeup on its core game.
The Xbox one is usually a dynamic 900p game with cuts to assets or performance to get there.
The PS4 has been 1080p with only a small amount of third party games doing 900p to save performance.

[akurtz]

Different situation, the Xbox one was $100 more expensive and less powerful. That’s why Xbox got dragged thru the mud

[gangsta_red]

It was 100 more because of an added device not because it was less powerful.

[Kribwalker]

@gangsta

yeah i love that argument. It’d be like if sony bundled a PSVR with a Pro and sold it for $100 more then the onex. Would people be complaining that the PS4Pro is terrible because it’s more money than the OneX but doesn’t do native 4k in some of the biggest games

[akurtz]

@gangsta
Then it was dropped to the same price as the ps4, still was less powerful.

[gangsta_red]

Less powerful by a very small percentage. I hardly call that something to drag the Xbox thru the mud for. But it was definitely something to talk about at the time, just like how we're seeing the same type of talk with the mid gen consoles.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@gangstared
"It was 100 more because of an added device not because it was less powerful."
That was a straw man argument, he said that Xbox one console was 100 dollars more expensive AND less powerful he did not say that the console was more expensive BECAUSE it was less powerful. The reason why it was more expensive is irrelevant to the discussion and not an excuse.

@kirbwalker
Yea, people would be complaining because you are bundling an expensive peripheral with a console that is not nessacary for the console to function. Thankfully, unlike Microsoft, Sony allowed gamers to CHOOSE whether they want PSVR or not and not force it on gamers with BS excuse on why its nessacary for the console to function....just to end up discontinuing the peripheral in the long run 😂😂😂
28514;😂

@gangsta red
"Less powerful by a very small percentage."
The difference in percentage between the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X is literally around the same difference percentage wise between the OG PS4 and the Xbox One. Granted, the Xbox One X has almost 2 teraflops over the PS4 Pro while the original PS4 only has about 500 gigaflops over the original Xbox one it's still the same percentage. Get your facts straight.

[KickSpinFilter]

And the forced Kinect, DRM, Always online, less powerful than PS4, sold more as a TV device over console, and yes $100 more.

[KickSpinFilter]

What funny is Xbox games were 900p they were barely holding on to a solid frame rate. Now with 4K and Checkerboard both tech are far more stable. Plus this...
Checker board rendering and Native 4K are of diminishing returns: It's like comparing Sand at two different beaches at 6 feet away. The Org XB1 and PS4 was like comparing boulders and rocks at the beach.
As the resolutions go higher and higher, the human eye is going to notice less of a difference between to resolutions like Native/Checker, especially at 6 to 8 feet or more away from a screen where most reside when playing console games.

[Jinger]

Of course it matters otherwise let's just keep playing games at 720p or 1080p. Why have these beautiful games, but not has the clear crisp image? Now, is it a sole deciding factor in which system to buy? Absolutely not, but of course it matters.

[CarlDechance]

Differences on lower resolutions are more noticeable than on higher resolutions at the same distance from the TV.

Computersaysno explained it perfectly above.

https://i.rtings.com/images...

[Jinger]

I'm not talking about native 4k and slightly below it. I'm talking about the difference from Xbox One 860p to Native 4K... there is a massive difference in visual fidelity there. Even from the PS4's 1080p to Native 4k there is still a large noticeable difference.

Now Checkerboard to Native from 8' away... probably can't tell in real time. Or even sub 4k.

[rainslacker]

I think it matters in the sense that graphics will keep improving, and it's the next step to achieve. Graphics resolution isn't as important as the quality of the graphics that get put into that pixel set. Things that come from better textures, better lighting effects, things like ray-tracing or more advanced shaders. Ways that actually improve actual pixel quality, not just adding new pixels into the mix.

[raWfodog]

It matters to some but not to me. Sure the X version looks great but it doesn't make the Pro version look crappy like some make it seem. Over the weekend I had the chance to check out both versions at my local Best Buy running on a 55" Samsung Ultra HD. Yes, the X version looked glorious (I think I heard an angelic choir) but when he popped in the Pro version it still looked very good to me, just not as crisp as the X. I will be very happy playing this on my Pro when I finally pick it up.

[bolimekurac]

im not calling the ps4pro version bad at all, people will play it and love it but facts are facts, 4k matters

it mattered before when games where 1080p on ps4 and not xbox and there was a noticeable difference and ps4 was better for it and now the difference is even bigger and it matters as well and the xbox one x is better for it

[raWfodog]

Don't get me wrong, native 4K is beautiful. If I had an X, I'd definitely be getting that version of the game. My 'fact' is that 4K does not matter to me when it comes to enjoying a game. If it did matter to me then I would go and drop $500 in order to play the best-looking version of the game.

Now I love the fact that the X was developed in order to push games of this calibre to this level of quality and I will always applaud advancements in our pastime, no matter who the company (no fanboy here). But I was not one of those people who ever played the 'my rez is better than your rez' game so resolutions never played a part in my enjoyment of a game so, no, to me 4K (native or otherwise) does not 'matter'. It's nice though :)

[hengst2404]

Lol this is always the same. At the beginning of the Generation when PS4 was vastly superior from a technological standpoint, resolution mattered. The forums were littered with PS4 fans ragging on Xbox fans for their "simulated 4k", their inferior ports their "not actually 1080p" hardware performance.

Then MS releases a system, for reasons I will never understand, with some serious power in it, markedly more than what the PS4 or Ps4 pro have, and resolution and power no longer matter. Now they only matter to MS fans who bought the X1. A fascinating world of circular logic to live in. Does it ultimately matter? Not any more than I ever has, but at least be intellectually honest and consistent with your views.

[generic-user-name]

Sounds exactly the same as crossplay not mattering to anyone until MS kicked up a stink about Sony not doing it.

[hengst2404]

Oh I agree. I seem to recall Sony at one time, years ago supporting the idea and MS not. These things are always cyclical any more. I sometimes wish all games were open and we eventually just had one system and could worry about the games.

[rainslacker]

And when the PS5 releases, many PS fans will say how it now matters, and the Xbox fans will say, "But it didn't matter before".

Arguments change to whatever benefits one's console preference, and a perfectly acceptable justification for hypocrisy to many is, "You did it first", even though others did it before them, and before them, so on, and so forth.

[DerekTweed]

I had an xbox One for 4 years before I ever new what resolution it was running on. I only found out about it because of the One X.

You would be surprised about the number of Xbox One owners who don't even know that most games on Xbox are less than 1080p or that the PS4 is running higher resolution.

For many it doesn't matter, for many it does matter but they can't afford or justify the cost to upgrade to 4K, TV and One X.

[rainslacker]

@Derek

Even if people now, it won't matter. There will be more people that don't know, or don't care. That's because they care about the games more.

Sure, people are impressed by pretty graphics, and I realize there are those that care. I was just speaking about the general discourse we have on the topic every time there is an article, and how people keep this reciprocal argument about "but it didn't matter before" to try and make their arguments.

I'm not one that really ever says that resolution or graphics in general matters, although sometimes the discussion is annoying, so I get rather snarky about it. There are individual instances, or certain discussions, where I don't mind discussing it, but ultimately, I am fine with the graphics of the stock systems of this gen, and could have gone without a mid-gen.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

They released a system to run multiplats better...LOL. They knew that's all it would take to appease the hardcore fanboys. Microsoft: We'll push back and cancel exclusives while releasing the same ones over and over, Our fanbase doesn't buy exclusives for real any way. As long as the multiplatform games look better over here we'll have em hook, line and sinker.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

It's not nearly enough to make me buy an xbox if that's what you mean. Dynamic 4k comes pretty close to standard 4k. I'm sure I'll still be gawking at how beautiful it is.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

you will, once you turn hdr off(if you haven't already)

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

I have a 8500 series curved Samsung and RDR2 looks glorious running on my X. I don’t think I’ve seen a better looking console game to date. Now with that being said I do have a pro but I have not played it on it yet but I’m sure it looks great also. I think 4K definitely matters in this day and age.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

I've got the same tv TRUTH and while I know the best version is on the x, it's definitely not a slouch on the pro by any means. But back to the TV's...have you researched the QLED sammies? I'm seriously thinking of upgrading to a 65'' curved Q7C.

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

I’ve done some research on them but right now the price is just a bit to high for me. Once they come down a bit I’ll definitely be picking one up. I hear the input lag is hardly noticeable on the QLED’s. I don’t like playing in game mode due to the graphics degradation so I’ll definitely upgrade if QLED prevents this.

[unjust75]

This a time when I feel cross play matters. I own an x1x and ps4 pro, but I bought it for my pro because of online friends are mainly on ps4. I’m sure the x version looks slightly better.

[slavish0]

Lol u bought a single player game because your friends play online on playstation? 🤔

[generic-user-name]

You realise it comes with red dead online that will release soon right?

[raWfodog]

Online beta coming soon...

https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

[KickSpinFilter]

WOW your misinformed huh?
yikes.
Ever hear of GTAV online???
Pssst guess what RDR2 gonna have buckaroooo?

[TheUndertaker85]

I agree with your sentiment however if RDR2 were crossplay then I’m absolutely positive individuals on PS4 Pro would be asking for either the PS4 Pro version to be scaled up further to meet the Xbox One X standard or for the Xbox One X version to be scaled down to PS4 Pro standards.

Otherwise Xbox One X would have the advantage during crossplay due to higher resolution and a locked framerate that’s consistently higher than PS4 Pro.

If Rockstar dials up the 4K on PS4 Pro framerate will take a hit putting it even lower than it already is. If Rockstar aims to dial up framerate the resolution will take a hit putting it even lower than it already is. They could also eliminate checkerboard rendering on PS4 Pro to alleviate some of the issues individuals are reporting as Sony itself has shown that upscaling content to 4K versus simulating non-native 4K content to 4K does produce judder, fogging, and other artifacts.

It’s kind of baffling. I don’t know how anyone thought RDR2 would perform on PS4 Pro the same way it does on Xbox One X. There’s a rather large difference in resources going from PS4 Pro to Xbox One X that is much larger in comparison going from PS4 to Xbox One.

The Xbox One started with BARELY any resource discrepancy versus PS4. Then Pro came along and wanted to up that difference more with minimal changes and started boasting “4K”. Now the Xbox One X is out and the difference is almost like taking a PS4 & PS4 Pro then slapping the two together.

I think Sony wanted to rush to the 4K market and try to beat Microsoft to the punch. Yet because of that attitude they ultimately took a few half steps when producing PS4 Pro and left other areas completely untouched. Doing so and having to be “first” ultimately has hindered potential that could be and brought the “True 4K” argument to the forefront. Awkwardly with other Sony 4K devices even Sony pushes the importance of native 4K versus simulated 4K, trying to push their devices as being superior based on the same merits.

[Father__Merrin]

It's the same game but a crisper image looks better but when you factor in other things like costs etc it's not worth it.

I'll be swapping my 970 for a 1060 or Rx 580, no point going any higher I don't think it's worth it as long as you've hit eg more that good enough for a cheaper price

[_LarZen_]

Funny how resolution suddenly dont matter to some people anymore.....

[CarlDechance]

Funny how resolution suddenly matters to some people now.....

I don't buy these kinds of generalizations primarily they can so easily be turned around like I just did.

"How convenient for you."

That makes no sense, but whatever.

[_LarZen_]

How convenient for you.

[TheOtherMoon]

The game looks absolutely incredible on the Xbox X -- there are times where I really marvel at the environment that we get to play in. With that said, I would enjoy the game on my Playstation 4 (and its not a pro). At this point, the resolution in games (4k or not) look amazing. I played Spider-Man and was also blow away by Insomniac's New York. 4k is a cool feature, its not worth rubbing in when talking about playing games. Just game, love games, and love gamers no matter the system or resolution.

[Gamist2dot0]

The higher the resolution, the better, but for the price difference? For me, I'd rather wait for next gen when res and performance are better.

[ChasingTheSun]

Bingo and the xboxone brand has nothing to offer even after this multi platform game. I stick with sony because they make the best and most beautiful exclusives. i could care a less about old backwards compatible games that xbox has as its main selling point. LUL.

[gangsta_red]

If you're spending money on a mid gen console and you have a 4k set up at home then it better matter.

[generic-user-name]

It surely matters for that small % of gamers who meet that criteria.

[EddieNX]

It doesn't matter that much at all, it's still RDR2 which ever platform you play it on. I have an XB1X and it looks great

[Sm00thNinja]

LMAO of course it suddenly doesnt

[DafunkyRebel]

4K is 4K who cares if it’s bad native or foreign

[timlot]

Sony sure enough thinks so.
*This game outputs to 2160p.

[ChasingTheSun]

I'm playing on my base ps4 in 1080p and it looks stunning, as long as the game is FUN, that's all that really matters for me, im playing on a 42 inch sony bravia in 1080p and it runs and looks great.

The xboxone crew is so proud to brag about a game that maybe 3% can play on their X while the rest are playing in 864p on their og xboxone faking like they have the x and being envy about all the exclusive content playstation 4 has or is getting.

This is going to be an article that xboxone players (trolls) will be spamming because rdr2 is the only game they can boast about, they acting like it some kind of killer exclusive. They will be beating this resolution drum for the next 8 months because microsoft sadly does not supply them with great exclusives like sony does for us playstation players.

While they boast about a multiplatform game for the next 8 months, we will be playing great exclusives and better looking games than read dead 2 like, spiderman, detroit, days gone, dreams, death stranding mlb 19 the show, last of us 2, ghost, that's just off the top of my head.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

And that ladies and gentlemen is the real deal!.....

[chris235]

funny how „can‘t afford a 4k tv“ turns into belittling it. belittling 4k over 1080p is either a sign of a small wallet or utter cluelessness.

[ChasingTheSun]

Its kids and or trolls brother, their mindset is you're automatically broke because you enjoy playing rdr2 on your base console and not on the X. This is the mindset of most xboone owners, none of them have the base xboxone it seems also.

[Larrysweet]

Trust me played on pro and x and indeed the difference is stunning in a game all abought the detail dont evem see where pc will rise above x besides fps my god its beautifull in native 4k

[Gaming4Life1981]

Native 4k gaming is amazing and red dead redemption 2 just further proves that.. Funny how 1080p mattered last gen and the start of this gen but now native 4k doesnt matter. People will always want the best resolution for their games and anyone who says they dont is lying. I dont think people who cant play the game in native 4k will be let down but playing in native 4k is stunning at every moment. Rockstar did great on all consoles regardless of resolution.

[shaenoide]

Nope. I still hate the gameplay of this game. 4K or not.

[Fishy Fingers]

When it’s higher on ‘your’ console. Yes.

[Elda]

I went to friends co workers house Sat nite & they were playing RDR2 on an X displayed on a LG HDR 4kTV & it looked great but not at all a drastic difference from playing on the Pro displayed on a Samsung HDR 4k.Looking at both games being played on both systems nothing can take away how R* horribly designed how the faces look in RDR2.The faces look last gen & on mid gen consoles it definitely shows, I've seen several games this gen where the faces look almost realistic sharp/clear not the case to me in RDR2.

[Xb1ps4]

Not until ps5

[KickSpinFilter]

Checker board rendering and Native 4K are of diminishing returns: It's like comparing Sand at two different beaches at 6 feet away. The Org XB1 and PS4 was like comparing boulders and rocks at the beach.
As the resolutions go higher and higher, the human eye is going to notice less of a difference between to resolutions like Native/Checker, especially at 6 to 8 feet or more away from a screen where most reside when playing console games.
LOL So ya if your two feet away from your monitor sure it matters.

[SpineSaw]

If it mattered in the least more console gamers would have gotten the Xbox One X by now and we all no how that's going. Also if it mattered in the least we would have seen a huge jump of PS4 gamers get the X1X and well, we all no how that's going. And if it mattered in the least more of the PC master race would be gaming in 4K and we all no it's fact that only a few game in 4K on PC. So no is the answer to this question. Now I'm not saying gaming in 4K is not great or in some way less than gaming on a OG Xbox One or a OG PS4 I'm just answering this question and the answer is......it just doesn't matter at all.

[Fishy Fingers]

So why did Sony release the Pro and Microsoft the XBX.....?

Don’t talk rubbish. Whether an individual sees value in upgrading is subjective but clearly a market exists.

[SpineSaw]

Your right...there is a market for 4K gaming. But IMO both Microsoft and Sony jumped into that market a few years to soon. And the reason is obvious. Lact of 4K TV's in homes being the biggest. The PS4 Pro and Xbox One X cost on release a avg between the 2 a cost of $450usd. And as far a PC 4K gaming I have no clue as the cost I just no the percentage of PC gaming in 4K is low and its low for a reason and cost would be at the head of that list. Anyway for console $450usd now add to that you need a better than avg 4K TV to make your new almost 4K console snap which will add at least $500usd more to your upgraded console purchase. Add tax to both and your over $1000usd for almost 4K gaming and I say almost 4K because not all games released make the 4K cut. Now you could settle for a lower budget 4K TV than the low budget $500 price I set but, like the $500 tv you get what you pay for. So back to the question RDR2 in 4K does it mattered? Well, if you spent the $1000usd for the upgrade you bet it matters but if your like the rest of the 75% to 80% of console gamers that don't game in almost 4K then as I said before.....not in the least.

[Sm00thNinja]

Anyone that SEES NATIVE 4K and check board can see the difference. Can we stop that bullshit** lie that it's unnoticeable to the human eye. That's bullsh** and only serves to soothe PlayStation fans fear of giving Xbox the upper hand in ONE category.

Depending on what it has been upscaled from the difference can be staggering. Does checkerboard work? Yes I'd argue that games like HZD and Lost Legacy still blow away anything I've ever seen in native 4k, but the visual fidelity of RDR2 on Xbox One X is something I haven't seen before either.

[MasterCornholio]

To be fair the there’s different ways to implement checkerboard rendering. Horizon Zero Dawn and God Of War has been the best implantation that I’ve seen so far and like Euorgsmer says it’s very close to native 4K.

From what I’ve seen or Read Dead Redemltion 2 the implementation of checkerboard rendering isn’t as good as how Sony used it in the past. It could be better in my opinion.

[Sm00thNinja]

God of War was the best I've seen on PS4 but what was it upscaled from? RDR I'm not sure is even upscaled from 1440p. The BEST looking game imo, and it doesn't get enough credit for how amazing it was, WAS LOST LEGACY. Not sure what Naughty Dog did to achieve the visuals that constantly blow me away but maybe they should reach out. This is the biggest game release this year I'd work to clear up what could be a simple patch fix

[TheUndertaker85]

Yes. Even Sony admits native 4K versus non-native matters.

“Sony remains one of the only manufacturers offering 4K home projectors with native 4096x2160 resolution, while others only offer lower-resolution 2K or don’t project true 4K resolution.

Now, you can enjoy a true 4K projector picture in your home, either in a dedicated theater room or any room where you gather with family and friends to watch all of your favorite content.”
https://www.sony.com/4khome...

And here you can find a demonstration video directly from Sony showing why Native 4K has advantages over simulated 4K methods. It actually also explains why PS4 Pro has certain issues with RDR2 that Xbox One X does not. These issues are being caused by the attempt to simulate 4K versus being 4K native.
https://youtu.be/PObecubpHo...

[Latex74]

Dose it matter ???? To some yes to others no just play the game the best way that you can if your lucky enough to have both get it on the on that plays bests on the x . I hope that the pro gets a patch to fix any issues it has just play the bloody game everyone gezzzz

[Sonyslave3]

I remember according to sony 1080p made you a better gamer. While Ms put priority on frames per seconds and now Xbox x have both 4k and the higher frame per seconds.

[DrumBeat]

Ha. Yes. I remember an argument being made (I think on this very site) that snipers had an advantage in Call of Duty Ghosts on PS4. Apparently the lower resolution on Xbox One made distance targets harder to see.

-facedesk-

[Latex74]

I do not need to feel good about my Xbox x purchase do you need too fell good about you purchase??????

[OpenGL]

If you own an Xbox One X and a 4K TV, sure it does. If not, probably not outside of fanboy bragging rights.

[Realms]

Going by the sales numbers so far it doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people, the PS4 version is outselling the xbox version. I guess some people on N4G seem to think that 4K TV's have hit the mass market saturation point they haven't not by a long shot most gamers are still gaming on 1080p base consoles. As for 4K it is better but you would have a hard time seeing the difference if you are far away from the display. I would even argue that HDR is way more important at this point than 4K.

It's funny how some fanboys run with negative BS narratives that fit their agendas we all knew the x was more powerful so if it out performs and runs better on the x why are these people making such a big deal of the obvious. Maybe because MS has yet to deliver a game that makes the x worth owning. I guess MS should be thanking Rockstar for doing what they couldn't.

[Latex74]

Your right I don't know that many people that have upgraded to 4k tv's but there the ones that don't do any gaming or very little so there is no need to change just yet. but like myself there are a lot of people that game a lot so want the best that they can afford. to make the most out of there gaming whats bonkers is i seen a ad on tv for a 8k tv and 4k not the norm yet crazy

[Pricey]

Everything matters to some degree. It’s how much it matters that’s the question. So does it matter more than being able to play Zelda botw, god of war or forza to name but a few?

[Latex74]

Well there is a lot more ps4 sold and even fewer Xbox one x so not surprised it's out selling on the ps

[Hardiman]

I'm playing play on the Pro and I have a very capable 4K HDR tv(Samsung 65 KS9000) and not being native 4K hasn't bothered me in the slightest.

Would it be great? Sure but again this game like so many others looks AMAZING and I'm more than satisfied with amazing! This comes off as a "missing the forest because of the trees" thing to me.

[ironmonkey]

Does it matter? Hell no tell that to the ones that own og ps4s and xboxones playing this right now. The game is awesome by itself. You got 4k datz cool too. A must game to own regardless on what platform.

[Latex74]

So true well said my friend

[BioNeo]

NES, Genesis, Super Nintendo, N64, ps1, Saturn, ps2, Dreamcast, Xbox, GameCube. Nobody complained about resolution then. It's these Companies trying to sell consoles that brainwash all you guys. The era of bits has passed, then a console poly count after Gigaflops, teraflops, now Resolution. Whatever they market to sell a console sheep will follow, they will laugh as they collect your money and you fight amongst each other.

[Saijahn]

When Sony was king of resolution that’s all any xbox player heard now that the tables turned we always see these articles. Sad

[nibblo]

If you have a 4K TV then hell yeah if not then no.

[mkv89]

Not, doesn't matter XD.
Any tittle that was running best on PS4, was shout out on every single news gaming page.
Now, few games are running better on Xbox but all the media should be silenced this fact. Seems legit.
Came on, editor, try to hide your Sony fanaticism in a better way.

[Artemidorus]

Depends who you are and opinion on gaming.

Some like the premium feel some don't care at all.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

For all you xbox-only gamers out there I'd be worried about why there's no worthwhile exclusives to play on your system (because you only get one every blue moon)..instead of making a big hoopla about a multiplat that's in native 4k. I know it's a defense mechanism and it's all you guys have to fall back on though so we try to overlook it.

[Donjune]

Sony fanboys are just mad!

[Makavelithedon]

I mean come on 4K is absolutely stunning I have the xb1 x and ps4 pro and I had to buy it in the only place you can play 4K xb1 x....till there’s a pc version lol

[ReBurn]

It probably doesn't matter, but it certainly doesn't hurt.

[TheHunter81]

I’m in the minority when I say no. To me it doesn’t matter. Gameplay is more important to me. I’ve no use for an XBOX anyway since Microsoft games come to PC. Everybody just enjoy the game no matter which console you’re on.

[AK91]

Only if you have a 4K TV.

[Firebird360]

Funny how at launch games running on the ps4 at 1080p and 900p on xbox one made xbox terrible. But now games running on x1x in native 4k over checkerboard on pro, it's no big deal.
The resolution difference between ps4 and xbox one was small in comparison to the massive leap in resolution between pro and x1x. But now everyone acts like 4k is unnecessary. Smh

[pyroxxx]

the difference between Higher resolutions is way less apparent,.. and that is a fact,.... between 480p and 720 p the Image quality difference is far more pronounced,..than for example 4 K or 1080p (and that is actually 4 times the resolution in framebuffer) that is just how it is

[KryptonKronos]

No it doesn't matter. Im playing it on a base PS4 and have played it on a pro. The image quality differs but the game doesn't change its visuals and both are absolutely stunning.

Still the frame rate on both versions have dropped in some scenarios. I think that's the key thing that needs looking at.

[CyberRekkr]

I have a 4K TV with a Ps4 Pro & Xbox One X & The fact of the matter is, There's not s huge difference like fanboys would lead you to believe. You really have to look for it to see minor differences. Overall RRD 2 does run in Native 4k on X, But it does not have a rock solid 30 fps.

[pyroxxx]

well the image is a bit softer on ps4 pro if you hug the tv, but looks excellent

[JokerBoy422]

As someone playing it on the XBOneX with a 4k tv, i can say it looks insane. I also cant imagine having to play on any other system. That said, to anyone not playing on the XBOneX, im sure the game still looks and plays great. Digital Foundry agrees.

[Imortus_san]

"Native 4k in Red Dead Redemption 2, Does it Matter?" - it matter on every game not just RD2.

[NotanotherReboot]

Yes. I, like many other PS players, are extremely jealous of the Xbox community.

[Donnie81]

It would matter a lot more if the roles were reversed. There's no big difference between native 4k and some crazy 2k checkerboard res but 1080p vs 900p is night and day.

[XxExacutionerxX]

YES!!!

[Snakefist30]

NO!

[Matrix6]

That's pretty nice to know, but I'll just have to play it with what I have. Thanks.

[xRacer74x]

Yes it does, that is not even a question.

[Nexus530]

Before I get flamed, I have a Pro and an X. Go and watch Digital Foundrys performance comparison video on Youtube and decide for yourself.