Both will arrive with the 3.3 update to the game’s early alpha, which does not have a release date.
Biggest scam in history
I wouldn't call it the biggest scam in history... but yes, it's a pretty big scam.
True. Bernie Madoff's ponzi scheme was much worse. Other than that, I can't think of other specific examples of worse scams. I'm sure they're out there.
i used to say the same thing but i think it's going to be a beast in another 10 yrs. i am surprised they have as much as they do already. game looks good, and i will give it a go n another 5 years once the base game is fully realized. i give them credit for always updating and keeping their users informed. looks better than 2077, though the actual game play isn't as good. give it time, i mean i haven't spent a dime on the game..... just waiting a while longer.
In ten years, this game will probably appear outdated. Roberts wants a game that is on the bleeding edge of presentation, and in the next few years, he's probably going to want to spend an exorbitant amount of time remastering the game to standards which don't even exist yet.
@rainslacker: at least he is taking chances, and the game is looking better and better. Just saying
Sure, but release the game that he first sold to backers. They're all getting it digitally, so it's not like he can't offer up those other things after the actual release. Adding in a full new game mode before he even delivers one is slowing down development. Game always looked great. But they're trying too hard to look great.
@rainslacker: looking at it from that point of view i understand what you're saying.
Why does this game have insane micro transactions? Will they disappear when it's complete? Why does its community defend them but attack EA?
Why would they disappear if people throw money at them? And who's defending Roberts et al here? Not many. Certainly not me.
I stopped following the stories about this game. $330 attack ship? What? If you bought the game, didn't you "buy the game." I get how Kickstarter works, but no game that I ever supported gave me a competitive edge over other players because of how much money I spent. Is this the birth of the Macrotransaction?
This game impressed me when No Man's Sky launched and failed to live up to its expectations. Back then it looked promising. Bit ver the years i lost insterest in it and where no man sky improvd so much since then that u can easily pick that up instead of this crap. I paid 60$ for this game and it punch back at you in the face with all these buyable super expensive ships in contrast to nothing special going on in exploration aspect of the game.
Every space game has failed this gen in some way. Waiting to see starfield from bethy now
I'm totally hooked on NMS Next myself. It gets samey. It has lots of issues. But I can't. stop. playing!
One of the ships I saw was $750, that's more than the real car I own. Game sounds great, looks great but something just feels off. Not saying it's a scam but I'm just gonna wait till about 2020 when it goes into beta.
You should read about the guy who bought a Bengal Carrier. I think it was like $10,000 or something like that. He later had buyer's remorse. No kidding!
Hahaha this thing wont be in beta by 2020 you'll be luck if its in beta by 2025 the way there dev cycle is going.
All the ships in game can be earned by playing the game. The people dropping hundreds of dollars into it are funding the development and getting a little head start when the game is released.
"All the ships in game can be earned by playing the game." Sure they can. After grinding for thousands of hours.
“When the game is released”
Angry Joe asked some questions to the devs and there response was something like this "it takes 20 people to fly this ship (kraken I think) so the guild or crew can Split the cost of the $750." The dev also went on to explain the insurance in the game if someone steals that ship you spent $750 on " it's simlar to insurance you have a excess to pay for you to get the ship back from the insurance company? So is that gonna be more money or in game credits to get your ship back?
Most expensive tech demo in history.
Yeah Im not buying 300$ digital items for a game thats just retarded.
You'd think people would smell something as soon as prices went over $20, but no.
How did the in game purchases get so out of hand?
When morons kept buying them.
More like they kept supporting the Kickstarter. Kept throwing money at it. Its the Fry meme taken to the extreme.
In a nutshell. Same story across the entire GaaS landscape.
I know, when they sat there in their dev meeting how the hell did they think these prices were acceptable. The games already had 120million in funding. The problem is also on the gamers who will purchase these ships etc. No wonder the devs and publishers think they can get away with it. Its the same with the price hike in games, the standard edition is no longer the full game, so its the deluxe edition @£79.99 now which is what the standard edition used to be, black ops and rdr2 spring to mind off the store.
I agree with the first part, the second part not so much. Games cost more and more to make and we also have inflation, nothing costs the same as it used to for long.
EA is gonna get jealous.
Or they'll just hire Roberts back. Funny EA brought Origin, and kind of ruined Wing Commander. Imagine if they knew now just how much Roberts was capable of following their strategy. He'd be promoted to CEO, and they wouldn't have had to release a single game in the past decade.
I paid £35 for a pack with the story mode and Star Citizen multiplayer about 2 years ago. If they change the deal and I don't receive them on release, then I'll ask for my money back. No idea why people would pay $750 upwards... Funding? I'll stick with the lowest cost.
HAHAHA WTF would pay them? A fool and his money are soon parted.
Read and learn who you are financing and their past ventures (all of which ended in RUIN). http://dereksmart.com/2017/...
Derek Smart is a jealous cry baby who has hardly the credits to criticize. I don't care about Chris Roberts but Smart is the LAST person I'd turn to.
By the time it will go to demo, there will be better games to play.
By the time he releases this game, the consoles he so adamantly said couldn't support his game because they weren't powerful enough, will far outpace what he's building the game for now. I expect a remaster of the alpha to be sold in the next few years. That'll go into pre-alpha, and they'll make some new exclusive content for it, and you can buy in early for the alpha of that alpha, which will get you a version of this game which was made for the ultra fast 486 processor and new 3DFX voodoo card. It'll be called Wing Commander 2, and blow everything out of the water. Basically, this is all just a master plan by Roberts to come full circle back to the best game he's ever made.
I love how people call this a scam as if people can't play nearly everything they showed. Scams don't produce results. They steal money and give nothing in return...that's what a SCAM IS. Having a single player campaign with A list actors and actresses isn't a scam. Have hundreds of employees making a game day in day out isn't a scam. None of you are buying or funding the game, no one is forcing you to buy anything, so shut the hell up.
But there really isn't that much to do. There is nowhere near the amount of content available that was originally promised. Sure, you can play what they show, but considering what was actually promised, they haven't gotten anywhere close to a release. I'm not saying he taking money and giving nothing in return, but that's not what a scam is. A scam is taking money on the premise that you will offer something specific in return, then not giving something different or less in return. Will they deliver on the promised content one day? Maybe. But for the time being, it's coming across more as a scam than them giving a reasonable product in return.
They have way more than what's in the alpha and it's currently in alpha so, of course, there's not what was originally promised because they aren't done.
If I promise you a car, take your money for that promise, then hand you a bicycle, I've scammed you, even if I and a team of dedicated workshop employees did a great job putting it together.
That's a stupid analogy and makes no sense. CIG has promised us a game with access to alpha and beta builds as it's being made. That's exactly what they've provided as they're still working on it.
Wow. Version 3.3 of an alpha? Most alphas are numbered with the 0.X style. Release is typically a 1.0. For an alpha to have three whole iterations before release is quite the impressive feat.
You have no idea how game development works and alphas can go by literally any number or letters the developer wants.
No, he's right. Dev versions are usually kept to the right of the decimal point, like "0.01.123". They go left of the decimal upon release, when it goes "gold" (an outdated term now that gold CDs are obsolete).
@Cobra951 No, you're wrong. I've seen alpha versions be an unlimited variations of a string of letters and numbers. Again, it's up to the developer. Go look at Steam and Early Access and have a look at the version numbers for the games being released. As for "gold" being "outdated" it's still heavily used to this day and it, actually, the word still used to indicate games are done. It's not outdated at all! Man, I love when people try to rebuttal while being wrong.
Sure. I'm completely ignorant on the development of games. Well, I'm not, been working in the industry for almost 10 years now, but that's another matter. But what does that have to do with knowing that alphas are usually below 1.0, and that first release is typically 1.0. To go all the way to 3.3 in an alpha? that's pretty rare.
Sure you have. I've been working on PC and console game development since the Atari 2600 days and can tell you that your general rule isn't general at all. Star Citizen has had several key developments through it's Alpha stage (primary number) and each one is represented through it's own incremental changes (secondary numbers). Them being on Alpha 3.xx doesn't mean they should be done with the game or anything because it's ALPHA.
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