Activision has today shared information regarding the install and day one update for Black Ops 4, and it's not good news for physical buyers.
Wow! What's the point of buying physical if you have to download 90% of the game anyway?
Yeah, it kind of defeats the point of buying physical, aside from being able to trade it in if you're not a fan. I'm still more tempted to buy digital just for the convenience though now.
Yet again another reason that makes digital my preferred method of purchase, its not like physical is so much quicker for initial gameplay but even if it was, never having to handle the disc again, switching between games, collection all in one spot, auto updates etc are just too many conveniences over the life cycle of gameplay to make me go back to digital.
So the total install size of both physical and digital is around 55gb and yet the physical purchaser is going to have to basically download 95% of the game all over again to patch what is installed from the disc. Why the hell dont Activision just delay the release to fix the issue with the physical games so its the same build as the digital one? Press a whole bunch of new discs with the current version of the game. Unless the physical disc really only contains the first 5gb and nothing more, which then leads to downloading the rest of the game...?
Conspiracy Theory: they inflate the download size to get you to buy digital to reduce the second hand games market for BOPS4
@Newmanator... That doesn't sound so crazy actually, I could believe that.
Yeah, too bad that digital copy is worth $0 once you buy it.
I don't like how if something happens to your account.. ban or lose it some how you can kiss your thousands of dollars in games goodbye that's BS
Kinda ruins the argument that if the digital distributors disappear so do your games, it’s applicable to physical as well. It’s really just a small segment of older gamers who are holding onto physical, resistant to change, the younger generation and intelligent gamers imbrace it.
Here in UK price and resale is the biggest reasons to buy physical over digital . Until digital competes with physical prices I’m all for it . But yes this is a taking the [email protected]@
Fundamentally it should be cheaper as there is no physical production cost and the only middleman is Sony/MS
If it’s a keeper I go digital if it’s something I’ll get bored of within weeks/months it’s physical for me the digital costs day one are ridiculous however they aren’t few weeks after launch in the sales they can be very competitively prices but the resale is a big thing for me specially if it’s a game I’ll not wanna go back to. Spiderman was one for me I’ll check dlc out at some point get cheap goty edition in the future no doubt but bought it for £42 sold it for £40 £2 less than to nail a top game 100% and got the platinum, bargain ;)
@Darth Why delay the game when it's fixed by a patch?
BINGO, that sure is the million dollar question isn't it? Of course physical nazis insist trade-in value and sharing with your friends is a significant selling point but it's just not. If they cut drm physical games are Dino tech immediately.
Physical nazis? Fuck me for wanting to have the option of reselling my game right?
Did you seriously just compare those of us who like our physical releases to a political ideology that is responsible for committing genocide?
@PapaBop I don't mean nazis as in Hitler followers you illiterate moron, it's also a term used to describe people who shove their opinion down your throat and preach it as factual.
@Skankinruby Physical Nazi?!? Wow. You sound like a Digital Fascist.
"I don't mean nazis as in Hitler followers you illiterate moron, it's also a term used to describe people who shove their opinion down your throat and preach it as factual." Physical was here first. It has been and still is the standard. So the people who shove their opinion down your throat and preach as you so...delicately put it are those who prefer digital today and are trying to change the standard! So be a good lad and f*** off nicely.
@UltrNova 'So the people who shove their opinion down your throat and preach as you so...delicately put it are those who prefer digital today and are trying to change the standard!' Are you serious? You really think people expressing their opinion on Internet forums are trying to change anything? That 'standard' is changing all on its own wether you like it or not, digital sales are gaining market share year over year. These 'standards' are the best available option at the time and as technology progresses certain products get left behind. I don't give two shits what you or any other loudmouth on these forums buy, nor have I ever judged anyone for their preference. I love digital games for the convenience and sales show that I am by no means alone in this opinion as digital is gainin significant market share year over year. Just like cassettes, cds, vhs, dvds, cartridges, all of of which were at one point the 'standard' physical games will get left behind. Digital is good for production costs as well and you better believe developers are on board with shifting in this direction. A handful of loud mouths on the the internet isn't going to change the obvious.
lol for someone who thinks he's "not judging anyone by their preference" you sure are easy to throw words like physical nazi, illiterate moron, and loud mouths around the shining example of internet indeed "I don't mean nazis as in Hitler followers you illiterate moron, it's also a term used to describe people who shove their opinion down your throat and preach it as factual." you mean like you did with these comments? should've bought digital mirror too along with all your digital purchase mate
Skankinruby, Some of us like our bandwidth. Some of us live in areas with data caps. I'm not going to get on a soapbox and tell you why digital is bad; while I prefer physical, I do, from time to time, buy digital. But yes, I do like to borrow and lend games. I do like to just bring games where the save data doesn't matter to a friend's house and play sometimes without dragging my console because they already have one. I don't like to be dependent on an internet connection to acquire my games. I'm all for choice, personally. I am curious though...can you prove that resale value is not a significant selling point? From where I stand, it seems GameStop survives largely on used game sales. Additionally, Walmart started selling used games and Amazon has a pretty good-sized market for used titles. I'm not sure you have facts on your side there, but maybe you know something that I don't. I should add, Black Ops 4's update does not affect me at all since I'm not buying it (I'm here to read about any reasoning they may have provided). Doesn't make my opinion any less valid, however. P.S., if you want people to consider your position and take you a bit more seriously, I would recommend laying off the personal attacks. They're childish. EDIT: "Just like cassettes, cds, vhs, dvds, cartridges, all of of which were at one point the 'standard' physical games will get left behind. " CDs still exist. New albums are available physically. Cartridges lack the storage capacity of the discs that came after them. VHS was replaced by another physical medium, DVD. DVD was replaced by another physical medium, Blu-Ray. You can definitely still buy new movies (as well as old remastered movies) on Blu-ray. You mention a natural evolution of formats but completely ignore the formats existing alongside digital distribution. Digital has not killed Blu-Ray. They exist contemporaneously.
The point is when Im done with the game I can sell it
Well then who cares how much of this game is down load then, at least you still have the physical copy to resell in your hands.
i thought the whole point of buying physical was the fact that you owned the game. Who the F buys it to avoid downloads?
People with limited bandwidth, people with a monthly cap, etc..
Any article about digital only consoles. the only point brought across about physical copies is that you own it, and it has value, can touch it, collect it. I have never seen someone comment about bandwidth limitations on those types of articles. NOW it's okay to say it when it's COD?
I'm going physical f . . k it
It also has a mandatory patch, even the physical game is locked down like COD WWII. Confirmed on Reddit update is required
Isn't this CoD the one with out a single player campaign, so isn't it going to be online only anyway?
Isn't that how it works though? I thought the disc is only read to make sure you own the game. You have to install all your games to the drive, on PS4 anyway
The game is usually mostly included on the disc and installs off of the disc. The only thing that it is downloading is any update patches so installing off of the disc is typically much quicker than downloading.
Well resale value, that's the only reason anyone buys physical.
Not true I simply don't have internet nor do I have the ability to get it I live with my grandad who does not believe in internet plus I have played plenty of games on my ps4 without internet access and before u ask I'm typing this on,my phone and no I don't have a hotspot
You don't have internet, so explain how you plan on playing this game? There is no SP portion of the game so that means it's online only.
I bet its activision trying to force people to go digital. I am digital only anyways so I don't really care. People are going to be mad but as a business owner I don't blame a company trying to maximize profits.
exactly. thats why i don't buy physical anymore. not only do you not have to deal with stock or lines or driving, or backorders, scratched or lost media, but a year into owning a game, its not even the same game that released on the disc. physical is dying and the stats actually show it.
the fuck? why did i pre-order the disk if i have to download 50 gb anyways lol
Because you enjoy the warm fuzzy feeling of being able to look at your plastic game case and having to manually insert a disc each time you wanna play a different game.
Having to get up off your couch and change the discs... first world problems!
And you don't think bleating about downloading a patch is any less of a first world problem?
I like that feeling of cracking open a new case and sliding that disc in and getting my coffee and snacks ready for a all nighter. Ahh. Ain’t happening with Black Ops 4 since there’s no reason for me to buy it, but Ahh nonetheless.
If the physical version of Red Dead Redemption requires that too I will delay my purchase a couple years until I get a decent internet and I grab the game at 10-15$... give us two discs damn it! Blu Ray are dirt cheap nowadays!?!
Sure, but if it's 105 GB, it isn't fitting on two discs anyway.
I don't understand all the complexity of video game programming but I can't imagine they don't have enough of 100GB? I mean it's not like they have pre-rendered 4K cutscenes... Why can't they do something like offer to compress a few textures with options to download higher fidelity ? My PS4 Pro does render games wayyyy better than my switch but damn I can fit probably 20 games in 100 GB!
They're really pushing for digital games now.
You're right they're also pushing gamers like me away from buying their games
i think everyone is being over dramatic about this whole thing. i mean look at the pc crowd. you can say 95% of pc games are all digital now and people still buy and play them. gamers (and people in general) are fickle and simply resistant to change due to being in a comfort zone for so long...it happend when we went from cartridges to cd's, and now it's happening again... even when we went from an analog tv signal to digital, some people were not happy with the change because they either had to buy a new tv or add another receiver to their setup...we were forced to conform to the new age and eventually we were fine with it....winter is coming folks, nothing else to do but prepare for it, and accept it.
@optimus I agree with you... I think I am dramatic. Yet I am very happy the way I am I buy tons of games on PS4 and nothing on PC although my laptop is considerably more powerful... I will consider purchasing a subscription service but I don't buy games if I don't feel I own them... i.e. I can't lend them to a friend or resell them if they suck. (And I do keep 99 % of my games in a collection)
i hear you, as i used to feel the same as you do now about owning my games. but i one day i got to thinking, i have a full rack of games from last gen (and before) that i no longer play. i have no friends or relatives that would want to play those games today...selling back those games i would be lucky to get $20 for 10 of them....after Microsoft said they were working on a way to buy back digital copies from consumers i became open to digital purchases...albeit i still buy physical games for triple a titles that really interest me only to finish it as fast as i can in order to retain a decent resell value.
@optimus I think I'm getting there slowly... mostly for the clutter/physical space :). I had heard about that microsoft buying back digital copies... but then I think they went with the subscription service instead and it does make a lot of sense. Maybe I'll go back to playing Xbox next gen at 9.99 per month :)
no, that wasn't an option instead of gamepass. they said it was something they were planning down the road but they had more to work out...they'll probably mention in at the revitalized xbox expo (or whatever they call it) in Mexico this November.... getting back to digital vs disc games. more and more games require a day 1 patch these days most of which disables the game from running if you don't get the update, which means that buying the disc version if you happen to not have internet (one of the arguments that constantly pops up) will be pointless.... i think that the big developers will begin to let go of the disc media (like they did with game manuals in the box) once 5g bandwidth is adopted world wide...some isp providers are already set to go with 5g starting in 2019...which coincides with the next gen consoles releasing in 2020-21 with 5g capabilities marking the end (or the beginning of the end) of media disc as a means for distribution.
it's this kind of thing that makes it VERY easy to pass on a game.
Why, what difference does it actually make? You still will have the physical copy.
i will never buy a game that has a 50 gig day 1 patch. i'm surprised you'd even be confused as to what i meant.
Games are getting bigger all the time I don't get what the problem is unless you just don't want to use up bandwidth. But I also don't know you so why would you assume anyone knows what you meant.
This type of garbage is exactly why I mainly play games before the PS3/XBOX360 era. Ever game should just be put the disc or cartridge in and play. None of this download patch BS on day 1.
*Every* game should just be put *on* a disc or cartridge, with the ability to play right away. Fixed
That's a whole lotta update
Lol GG to those with trash internet speeds either way for digital or physical.
Simple dont buy this crap!
Seems they are doing this on purpose to shift people to digital.
How many anti-consumer practices will publishers try before they realize physical media is still alive and well, same with the second hand market? Online passes, download codes, now stuff like this, etc. It was ridiculous already, now it's laughable.
Not that I agree with it (I really do not), but I imagine their in-house analysts were the ones to recommend this based on other CoDs' digital sales etc.
How is this anti consumer? You're still getting the "physical game/license key" that you can resell when ever you want. This is an online only game with no single player campaign. So if your internet is shit then you're better off not buying it in the first place whether the full game is on disc or not.
people still buy this game .... When there is Red dead and Fallout coming out almost at the same time. COD is the same game for so many years... sorry this one is different there is no story mode
This has been Activision's move for a few different games now. This shouldn't be surprising at all.