Why Sony needs to stop drinking its own Kool-Aid

Sony is in deep trouble. The company has been forced to slash its earnings forecast by 57 percent amid deteriorating economic conditions and its inability to compete more effectively in markets throughout the world.

Of course, Sony will still post a profit--most analysts claim that it'll be about $500 million--but the downturn speaks to Sony's issues and the fact that this once-dominant company has been downgraded to an also-ran in the industry.

[godoftime]

O YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol...

....oh, and good story.

[Montrealien]

and the fantarts act like hey have won anothe stupid battle. The minute one console is the one to rule them all, we all loose, as gamers. You guys would undestand that, if you where gamers, which you are not.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

;-D
Welcome to 'Negative News 4 SONY Gamers.com'!!!

"deteriorating economic conditions" Er YEAH!!! FOR EVERYONE!!!

[NegativeCreep427]

OH NO!

OH NO!

OH NO!

OH NO!

OHHH YEAHHH!!!!!

[dukadork]

could we spare some ridicule and forever declare cnet as SPAM?

i know it gives xbots giggles in their pu$$ies but it also gives them premature ejaculations

[GiantEnemyLobster]

More fail from you is predicted for the future? Dang. Things NEVER look good for you and your precious little ps3.

[enjoi187]

OOOOO YEAHHHHHHHH lol

they could borrow some money from Microsoft LOL

[ReBurn]

I guess that it's tough to escape the effects of this global economy.

[fishd]

http://www.forbes.com/2001/...

and we all know how that turned around...

[ReBurn]

I hope it does turn around. The difference is that it isn't the gaming division alone that is causing the most recent problems. At that time the PS2 had just been released two months earlier and Sony was still suffering from the hit of the R&D costs. The PS3 has been out for two years and has already gone through two price reductions.

What's happening now is that the broader economy has been slashing revenues across the whole company. If people have to choose between buying food and paying rent or consumer electronics then they are going to choose food and rent.

Also, this article was written before the severe economic downturn later in 2001. I'm afraid you're comparing apples to oranges.

[sajj316]

great find fishd! Bubbles up for research! Its like PS2 all over again! Remember how that turned out?

[PimpHandStrong]

things will turn around

the world economy will rebound

within the next 5-10 years!

2009 is going to be very hard on the poor and the middle class! Im middle class...own my own home and stuff! I didnt want a bailout! I wanted to see what happens when it hits rock bottom!

Let those ppl on Wall street die! Let them go from making 500,000 a year to making 150,000! How hard life must be for those ppl huh! FUKN thiefs! Everyone FUKN one of them

[LastDance]

wow.....maybe we should all be adult and just brush past this.......piece of..um........"journalism "..........Do the funboy's at Cnet know how lame they are?..

I dont even think 360 enthusists buy this crap.

[GrandTheftZamboni]

From fishd's link:

"Microsoft has proclaimed that it has learned from Sony's PlayStation 2 glitches (for one thing, it is going to let outside companies make most of the components)"

You learned well, M$. That worked out great for 360!

[SL1M DADDY]

Very similar. In fact, I remember that time so much it feels like it was yesterday. Kids like to look at all the FUD and cry fanboy when in all actuality, this will once again just show us that Sony is being run by perfectly capable leaders and in this time they know what needs to be done to make it through a global recession. Only reason it gets any press here is so that those that do not know anything about the market can shout - "Oh Sony is going down like Sega"!

Yeah, sorry but Sony is as strong today as they were then and they will be around for longer than say... Chrysler?

[Montrealien]

when did the PS2 launch again? In NA, 2 months prior to that forbes arcticle. How long ago has the PS3 been available wold wide with these kinds of losses?

I want all of the big consoles to be contenders and make for a competitive market so we can have great poducts from all of them, but some people here need to stop drinking Sony`s Kool-aid also. The reality is they are loosing lots of money, and unless they start outselling he competition by leaps and bounds and sell like the PS2 did in the next year or so, they will have to rethink the way their gaming division works.

GrandTheftStreetcar said..

( Microsoft has proclaimed that it has learned from Sony's PlayStation 2 glitches (for one thing, it is going to let outside companies make most of the components)"

You learned well, M$. That worked out great for 360! )

It worked great for the Xbox, the 360 was a whole other pile of sh*t mistakes though. the oiginal Xbox was a great piece of hardware, to think otherwise it simply lack of knowledge.

[SQWERCH]

The author of this article is a JACK A$$, every single article talks about the bad points of Sony. He does not understand that Sony made the market to what it is today simple as that.

[moparful99]

Mont I think you need to quit drinking your own damn kool-aid... This sudden earnings downsize isnt because of the ps3.. This is prime example of a story being spun out of control and turned to fill the agendas of sony hater... It was stated that sony's earnings forecast was reduced because japan depends on export to run their economy and with americas being the largest consumer its hurting the economy so every major company in japan is hurting.. I like how this and other articles are blaming the ps3 solely for these problems....

[Montrealien]

Youre right Moparful99 the PS3 is recuperating its cost, 2 years in...

The PS2 was making money 2 years in, if not, feel free to prove me wrong. The PS3 and the playstation brand as a whole is a big part of sony now, has been for a while. I wan t it to succeed, and honestly, I believe that in the long run it will, but I won t turn a blind eye to the fact that it is not selling 200k more in NA a month over is competitors like the PS2 was doing.

[ultimolu]

...Not this f*cking site again...
*facepalm*

CNET should drink their own Koolaid, take a backseat and kindly shut the hell up.

[RemmM]

Nothing is going wrong with the economy. Its just that there IS evil out there, and that evil is those rich bankers. They are the ones who control the money and want to collapse all economies of the world so that they can draw us into THEIR new economic system which is a microchip implant. The illuminati are the ones who are destroying the economy. More Americans will be losing their homes from now and so on. Its because our OWN fear will make us slaves. We keep believing these stupid leaders. Its OUR fault for letting this happen. WE are ALL screwed unless we stand up and do not comply with the system. The illuminati control everything. Tv is only a mind control box. SNAP out of it people! And don't go saying that I'm paranoid because you're only going to become a slave if you deny the truth. Companies are going bankrupt. EVEN Microsoft will go bankrupt and people will have NO choice but to accept the new world economy of slavery and mind control. SO STAND UP!

[ravinash]

It covers a lot on industries from electronics, entertainment and even finance.
I think if any company can come out the other side, its sony.
It did have a bit of a hard time in recent years in its general trade but it had been turning things round.
And with its new technologies like the Cell and Blue ray, the electronics part of Sony have positioned them selves as best a possible going into the current climate.

[DARKKNIGHT]

gamer journalists are retarded.....everyone knows you must spend some money to make money.

1st ps same thing happened.
ps2 same thing happened.
its not a surprise that its happening now.

[Mr_Potato_]

CNET is owned by Microsoft. Next article, please.

[navyguy21]

CBS owns CNET!! NOT Microsoft!! Why does everyone think MS does??

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed...

[La Chance]

Here you go

This article is from a site not owned by MSFT.

http://www.n4g.com/gaming/N...

[ruibing]

I don't care about who owns CNET, but I am sick of this Don Reisinger guy. A good majority of his articles are either biased against Apple or Sony.

[kevnb]

except nintendo and sony

[HowarthsNJ]

"Don Reisinger is a technology columnist who has written about everything from HDTVs to computers to Flowbee Haircut Systems. Don is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and posts at The Digital Home. He is not an employee of CNET."

[SL1M DADDY]

He is just a blogger so take his word with a grain of salt and nothing more. I would have to say that his more positive review of the Flowbee Haircut System slightly tarnished his reputation as anything credible... lol

[Electricear]

Cnet owns ZDnet as of 2000:
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1...

Microsoft formed a, "Online and Print Media Alliance" with ZDnet in 2006:
http://www.ziffdavis.com/pr...

That means Cnet formed at least a partial alliance with Microsoft. So it doesn't matter if CBS owns Cnet. As long as Microsoft has an online alliance with Cnet, Cnets agenda has to be called into question. This also creates a problem with Gamespot and Metacritic as they are also owned by Cnet. Again as long as Microsoft has a, "Online and Print Media Alliance" with them none of these sites can be wholly trusted to be unbiased.

here is a Quote:
"'We believe Ziff Davis Game Group is the ideal industry partner for Microsoft as we advance the Windows platform and Games for Windows initiative,' said Rich Wickham "

[Silogon]

Yup, yup and yup... Can't argue with logic and intelligence when you're in a sea of stupidity. Why, cause it's so radically different it's gotta be right.

[No FanS Land]

they could sell their exclusives!

[FailStation3]

TOO LATE! AHAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAahaAHAHAAH HAahhahAHAhhaha

[Mr_Potato_]

LBP > everything on 360, so if any of them is in trouble, it's clearly MS. It's been outsold worldwide since the PS3 launch, by the way, so yeah, nice fanboy article from a MS owned website (CNET).

[NaiNaiNai]

thats funny the NPD says different.
http://www.gamasutra.com/ph...
Nintendo DS - 8.5 million
Wii - 6.29 million
Xbox 360 - 4.62 million
PlayStation 2 - 3.97 million
PSP - 3.82 million
PlayStation 3 - 2.56 million
(2007 year)
and acording to the NPD numbers for the 2008 year so far
sony on has a 200,000 unit lead. which in no way makes up for the 1+ million gap in the 07 year.
http://qsf5.com/2008/10/16/...
so based on the facts that i have found (NPD Numbers are lagit.)
even without the 1 year advantage, the xbox360 still has a lead in sells.
-nai-
i still dont see why people insinst on calling me a fanboy T_T makes no sense.

(for anyone who wants total world wide numbers here the wiki sites.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
xbox 360 had 20 million sold as of july 17 2008

ps3 had 14.41 million as of june 30 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

so i still dont see how adding this years numbers to those would still make the ps3 the better selling system.

reality check the only system if any thats winning this time is the wii.
-nai-

[enjoi187]

what does LBP....didnt you hear stock holders are jumping ship because sony is sinking

[iMarcus]

Oh please, get off the LBP pipe.

I don't know whats in it, but every PS3 owner seems oblivious to everything else

[McErono]

57% ist japan only... am I the only one sick of these nonsense articles?

[ReBurn]

How is it Japan only?

[rhood022]

Hmm..global market downturn and Sony cuts earning forecast. The result, shareholders sell their stock because they expect dividends to be low.

When the economies balance out, which it looks like Europe and Asia will before the US, the value of the stock will increase since there is less being traded.

Welcome to economics 101 360 fanboys. You see, SONY encompasses a more diverse portfolio than MS--gaming, movies, music, electronics. While cutting forecasts by 57% seems like a bad thing, that's across the board and is standard for a company like Sony, especially during financial troubles.

Or it could just be a case of undervaluing performance. That way, if their expected profit, which this article states is $500 million, is more.. then the stock goes back up and NEW shareholders will buy into it.

Leave it to a tech website to completely ignore the nuances of economics and focus completely on the insular notion of "Sony = Electronics; Therefore if the electronics side fails so does Sony."

[GWAVE]

@ Sony Defense Farce

So, you're basically saying "You're right rhood. I have no grasp of economics. Excuse me why I make me default slam on Sony's current state of affairs".

It breaks my heart when I realize you represent the cream of the crop amongst the 360 fanbase.

[Agent VX]

I really think that Sony makes great Monitors (T.V.'s) and great camera's. Their home audio is "O.K", more for the people who want decent quality, but not pay much. Their speakers are poor. There recent gaming console the PS3 has turned out to be a huge failure, and the sales of the PS3 are speaking volumes. Though, I do like some of the things on the console. Their portable audio is just a fraction of what it used to be.

Like the author has stated, Sony has really lost their brand, and people just don't find the value or willing to pay a "premium" for their products anymore. I still think they make great monitors, it is just that I can get equal quality and a bigger screen size for the same money.

I use my PS3 more for a bluray player, renting them at blockbuster buy not buying them as they are too expensive. Most of the games I buy on the PC or 360.

Sony isn't a premium product anymore, they lost that years ago.

[Nineball2112]

Just the fact that you (and others) can post a comment like this: "There recent gaming console the PS3 has turned out to be a huge failure, and the sales of the PS3 are speaking volumes." makes me amazed at how people can make themselves believe what they want to regardless of the facts.

That comment alone nullifies any other point you may have.

You could say that Sony has not lived up to promises... you could say that Sony has disappointed you as a gamer... you could even say that you just dislike the Sony brand...

But to spout such blatant fanboyisms such as PS3 = teh failurz.

It just makes my head hurt from the stupidity of it...

[thebudgetgamer]

16 or so million consoles in two years = epic fail

btw news for gamers or
news for economy majors
:)

[Nicolator]

we can read the article.. u dont need to cut and past.. dumbass

[I_LOVE_MYSELF]

"people just don't find the value or willing to pay a "premium" for their products anymore."

does the same apply for xbox live? if so MS must be really shafted

[ionize]

It is funny that so many people seem to be so concerned for the Sony brand when they are clearly doing extremely in spite of M$'s attempts to bring them down...You now have a renown website (Metacritic) which has been recently proven to be biased against the PS3 (making up rating scores/using different sources for reviews even though the same source may review games on both the 360 and PS3)...You have Cnet who is constantly bashing the PS3 and praising the 360, Gamestop employees lying to customers in order to sway them into a 360 purchase and you have Television shows like Xplay who openly admit they don't like the Japenese.

These are all very popular businesses who have a lot of influence and yet the PS3 is still around...It managed to put HD DVD down in record time and now has some of the best gaming experiences that are available today.

It has been an uphill battle for Sony and with every obstacle overcome, there seem to be haters adding more obstacles...so I applaud Sony for not giving up as they clearly know that they have a winning console.

[La Chance]

the gaming industry youre talking about is the very same one that was declaring early 2008 "360 is dead" , "2008 is the year of the ps3" , "the 360 cant survive in 2008" etc.

Moreover theyre just stating hardcore facts.Dont see any conspiracy in that.

[iiraymoii]

I agree with you 100%! Every one wants to forget that SONY brought us the PS1 and PS2 which were monsters,and were the dominant force. You want another choice for a console go right ahead..but dont bash and act like you never laid a finger on a SONY console and not enjoy it.

The internet, and the world need to get off their pedestal of shYt and stop acting like the 360 is a godsend. I like some games on it but, the hardware is the biggest piece of shyt in the market today and probably ever! Yet ZOMG SONY SUXORZ BLAHZ WE LEETZ!!..i wish the internet could cimmit suicide..that would be a good day lol.

[Pennywise]

ahh poor LaChance... I dont know what media you are talking about that has been saying that. That was sony fans stating all of that. Thats why here at N4G, it gets very confusing for people. You guys think that blog posts filled with opinions and predictions are news.

Sony has been fighting a uphill battle with the media. You have a bunch of site affiliated with MS is some way writing negative storys about Sony on a weekly basis. Most of it is uncalled for... but you are okay with that.

Then you have sites writing legit storys about xbox downfalls and you go up in arms, screaming to let the RROD articles die because it isnt true. If it wasnt true MS wouldnt have spent 1billion on warranties.

The PS3 is fine. These stupid articles are old. This console war is old. The bashing people who prefer one system over another is old. Its getting very trite... the whole situation.

MS strongholds companies with their shady business tactics instead of owning the competition with quality products. They are a monopoly... they are force fed people pointless, yearly software upgrades and made using a PC without windows a big hassle. So, people buy their crap and profits stay up. I cant wrap my head around why xbox is so popular... Me personally, I like to buy quality over quantity and Sony provides that.

[ionize]

It is amusing how you throw the term "fact" around seeing as I have shown "facts" at how the gaming industry is insanely biased towards Sony and you throw up a couple of generic terms regarding someone said something some time ago...I hope you are getting payed well from M$, because if you are doing this for free, you should seek help!

Edit: @iiray...

I completely agree...the 360 is one of the biggest engineering disasters (that hasn't been proven to kill anyone).

[La Chance]

euh...I think youre the one who needs help , youre the one who's paranoid not me.

Its pretty clear the media flips "sides" often.

In 2007 everybody was saying the PS3 was dead , a couple of months later the very same people were predicting the death of the 360 end 2008.

And yeah MSFT sure are paying me alot for what I do :)

I feel sorry for you because Im sure Sony cant afford to pay you for all your blind support.

[ionize]

Who are "they"...it would appear that I am at a disadvantage, just like Sony as I am limited to using something called "Logic" where you seem to have more freedom in this area. Some of the most popular media (which I have already mentioned) have been outed as "professional liars" so nothing can be taken seriously from any of them any more...ie., Gamestop/Metacritic/Cnet/Games pot etc.

[PimpHandStrong]

SUPER

im not sure if you are the one that gave us this already...i know for a fact we seen Sony slashed 57% a few days ago

this is why this site is a bit sick

We can hear about this from 20 different websites when its all the same story!

and BTW

Cnet is not owned by MS but they are partners!

[aftrdark21]

why is this posted in the 360 section?

Flamebait?

[Pennywise]

This site IS flamebait.

Just little kids constantly reinforcing their parents purchase for them. One interview = 20 articles. One financial report = 5-10 articles on N4G.

I come here to find out about game news. What games are coming... dev progress, reviews here and there, new features and what to expect... not this constant company bashing. I want to hear about games... not the BS.

[Pennywise]

aww double post.

[ionize]

It is posted here in order in hopes that it reaches a high temp so the 360 fanboys can see it on the front page when they get out of school.

[cherrypie]

"Cnet is not owned by MS but they are partners"

What are you talking about? In ever CNet article, someone comes in and says this ridiculous garbage.

CNET IS OWNED BY CBS.

Only the most naive, ill prepared, poorly adjusted child attacks the messenger and not the message.

Perhaps the SDF needs a lesson in literacy and media. Sheesh.

Oh, btw, did I mention CNET IS OWNED BY CBS.

[ionize]

The only one that claimed M$ owns Cnet was at post number 2...so why are you replying here? Also, you could argue that "owns" on paper and "owns" by accepting money can be different things

[Sharpshell]

Sony is a huge company... I wish people would stop acting like Playstation = Sony... thats like saying 360 = MS, they aren't like nintendo. Meanwhile anybody paying attention will realize that MS is in fincial trouble too. Why? Becuase of the FINACIAL CRISIS! This is terrible journalism, as is typical from CNET, it doesn't matter who owns CNET, its a giant POS. Has anybody ever found their crap useful? All their "reviews" consit of some fat moron holding item in question and explaining the very basics of the item "bluetooth headsets are for talking and listening, which this one does, heres the grade, also its blue... I like blue!"

[cherrypie]

You're being dishonest.

Yes, the financial crisis isnt helping, but Sony as a company is in very big trouble. It bet heavily on PS3 -- and no matter how much you wish otherwise, it is not going well for the PS3.

But, overall, this Sony collapse has to do with big issues within Sony. They are loosing serious marketshare in many places, not just consoles.

This isnt "bad journalism" - its you refusing to acknowledge that Sony *is* doing very poorly.

[Qfragger]

No company is immune to whats happening in the World, Wonder what MS forecast for the last quarter will be.

I'm looking to get a ps3 in a few months, lets hope a decent bundle comes to North America.

[Pennywise]

LBP bundle, KZ2 bundle, R2 bundle(one would think)

All good!

[The Lazy One]

M$ is doing pretty solid through all this compared to the rest of the market.

http://finance.yahoo.com/ec...

see?

[shawnsl65]

solid my ass, then why am i losing money? zZzz.. recession needs to die!

[The Lazy One]

if you want to make money in the short term, you shouldn't make long term investments.

Almost everything is losing money, Microsoft is losing a lot less than the market as a whole.

[shawnsl65]

dumb for investing in MS. at least my profits from Sony ps2 era can cover my loss.

[The Lazy One]

don't even pretend you're any kind of decent investor with logic like that. Sony's gaming division profits are minimal compared to the rest of the company, and Sony's doing a lot worse through this slump than M$.

troll elsewheres.

[Enigma_2099]

... that's the general mantra out of these articles... nevermind all the success with PSP, PS2, Blu-Ray, etc...

makes about as much sense as the "as long as the 360 beat the PS3, we win " argument, doesn't it?

[Enigma_2099]

Explain yourself... I'll listen. Honest!

[The Lazy One]

Sony as a company is still losing a LOT of money, and it's due in large part to their arrogance with their brand.

see the graph above if you want the proof.

[moparful99]

lazy did you even read the article.. sony is still expected to post a 500 MILLION profit this year.. do you make 500 million in one year?? didnt think so.. sit down shut your smart ass mouth. Sony's expected profits are down but they arent "losing" money.. a profit is a profit.

edit... that graph you refer too is company wide... not just the gaming division. Microsoft has huge contracts with the government. Sony is all on their own.. they forge their own path

[Enigma_2099]

I wouldn't talk about arrogance if I were you, what with Aaron Greenberg shooting his mouth off every five minutes...

[Lumbo]

I find it ultimately funny how some rabid haters keep spreading the nonsense that the PS3 sold so horrible that its an epic failure. Facts state that it sold MORE units in their first two years than MS sold xbox360 in their first two years. So if the PS3 is an epic sales failure, what does that tell you about the Xbox360, especially as the 360 sells at a MUCH lower price ?

Bottom line, the MORE expensive system sells MORE units in the same timeframe than the cheaper system. Now tell me again what system is a sales failure...

It is obvious that the recent cut in EARNINGS is due to the unfavorable YEN price. This results in Sony products costing MORE to produce in Japan when selling said products outside Japan. And combined with the financial crisis that will soon be followed by a consumer credit crisis in the US as an unhealthy amount of people in the US kept paying everything with credit cards, even mortage rates ... this will crash BIG time.

And its a fact that Don Reisinger is a clown. Check his past nonsense articles. He can't even predict his way home without a guide. He predicted HD-DVD to win ... when it was already loosing week after week in disk sales.

[Pennywise]

But it is Sony, they have to do BETTER than that. This is the mentality these people have.

Fact 360 has been outsold by the PS3 for the last year. But Sony did not surpass the 1 year MS lead, so they fail.

RETARDED.

[Diamondwolf]

but........

"Facts state that it sold MORE units in their first two years than MS sold xbox360 in their first two years. So if the PS3 is an epic sales failure, what does that tell you about the Xbox360, especially as the 360 sells at a MUCH lower price ?"

speaks volumes to all of the 360 fanboys.......just don't fill the ps3 fanboys heads up too much otherwise this "console war" will get worse

Now, on the flip side though, Microsoft as a company has made a lot more money in their gaming division than Sony has in theirs if you compare their side by side.

In Conclusion..........who cares? I thought gaming was a source of entertainment. Why have we recessed into this world where...

"Pepsi outsold coke in the 4th quarter and now Coke has to slash it's stock. Especially now that mountain dew keeps coming out with exclusive flavors Coke has no chance to survive 2009 "The year of the Pepsi"

Screw that, I buy a Pepsi, I drink it, I enjoy it, I move on, and occasionally I get a little wild and I buy a Pepsi product AND a Coke product mwahahaha!

[kratos-i-am]

I agree with the first statement. The only reason why Sony had to cut its PROFIT figures by ONLY 37%!!! FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED!!! Is because of the HIGHER YEN!

Has anyone done any form of economics here?

When YOUR CURRENCY GOES UP YOU BECOME LESS COMPETITIVE AS YOUR EXPORTS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE! The JAPANESE YEN IS GOING UP BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY SAFE CURRENCY AS OF NOW THAT ISN'T AS EXPOSED TO THE PROBLEMS IN THE US!

THEREFORE YEN = HIGH DEMAND

Sony being less competitive as their products are more expensive had to cut its profit EXPECTATIONS for the END OF THE FINANCIAL YEAR! WHERE THEY ARE STILL IN THE GREEN by 500 million!!

Going forward they are still a very profitable company!

Now for those of you worried about the Playstation brand it's still of high value even if it's loosing money on the PS3. Sony won't abandon it, but they may change their business plan for future Playstation endeavors where, I don't think they will try and take it out again with a brand new format. We must also remember that the Playstation was all bout winning the format war, as Sony didn't want Toshiba in control of another format. Remember when Sony did win? Sony stock rose dramatically by over 25%!
Thus Playstation is a huge part of Sony and will not go anywhere.

[Dread]

I see his point in the article, but I feel he was a bit too rough on the Playstation 3.

For me, the jury is still out on wether the Playstation 3 is going to be the profit machine Sony hoped. I think it is going to be profitable, but due to the competition in this generation, it will never be as profitable as the playstaion 2. (I know the mantra about it is a ten year system, whatever.. will see in ten years)

i due hope Sony gets it together (overall not just in gaming) because i like the company and it would suck if it could not remain as competitive as it once was.

be gamers no haters

peace

[SIX]

nuff said

[jlytle1234]

yeah, i dont get cnet. They hate all sony products. They hate all microsoft computer products named vista. Suck off the Wii, DS, Apple and xbox 360.

[cherrypie]

Thats right child, go hide away from reality under your familiar "they're out to get me(or sony/ps3)" defense.

Its cute. The whole world is in consipiracy to lie about your favorite brand. Sure. Gotcha.

[Mitch_Cumstein]

I think its even worse than most think. Take this into consideration-Last gen Sony obliterated the competition with the PS2, earning 75% of the marketshare. Now look where they are.

The PS3 has been a disaster of epic proportions from day one. Nintendo has lapped Sony twice, but if you really want to see just how bad Sony has screwed up with the PS3 look at the sales figures of PS3 vs 360.

The 360 is in the process of losing site of Sony for good with the recent price drop. But what really is bad is the XBOX 360's hardware is AWFUL. Any and everyone knows that if you buy a 360 it will break on you multiple times in a short time. The hardware design, and resulting problems should have been the end for Xbox, but thankfully for MS the competition is the "complete debacle", better known as the PS3.

Yep, people would rather buy a 360 and have it sent off for repairs multiple times instead of buying a PS3. That should tell you a lot about the PS3. Simply put, while the 360 hardware is complete poop. The "360 experience" is phenomenal when compared to the overall "PS3 experience".

[jlytle1234]

Not really. The RROD was hardly talked about outside of hardcore gaming news. The mainstream media barely reported it and made no big deal out of it. You walk into best buy and ask 20 people what RROD is and i bet maybe 2 or 3 will be able to tell you.
There are two main reasons people choose xbox over ps3. (which sales figures suggest they dont since ps3 has been outselling 360 globally)
1) your friends own one
2) its cheaper
Likewise go and ask someone what the 360 offers and ps3 offers.
They cant tell you the ps3 has a browser, wifi, bluray, harddrive in every console, free multiplayer, divx certified. They dont know. Consumers are sheep waiting for trends to tell them what to buy.
Outside of this sad little circle of fanboys, noone has a clue what they are buying and what its value or quality really is.
Owning a Wii is a fashion statement. Nevermind the fact most people who own it hardly play it. It sits there on display and performs its novelty act when someone needs to show off their status of owning a Wii.
Likewise, for some reason America decided it hates Sony with a passion and its time to jump on the 360 train. If it werent for Americas sheer stupidity and media silence at the rrod, the 360 would be as big of a joke as the original xbox was.
What do you think would happen if the ps3 had a 30% failure rate?
It would be out of business.

[OGharryjoysticks]

Interesting. I never thought about that. You probably are correct in saying it would go under if that were the case? Unless the PS3 was released a full year ahead of everything else. Some people are addicted to gaming and wouldn't wait a full year when there is new tech on the shelves. And once anyone spends hundreds of dollars on something they can always find a twist to justify the investment.

[cherrypie]

"What do you think would happen if the ps3 had a 30% failure rate?
It would be out of business"

#1) The Xbox 360 heat issues were resolved in Summer 07.
#2) All owners who have a problem get a free fix.
#3) The failure rate isnt near 30%, that is made-up internet garbage. The rate is less than half that (as we learned when the 3rd party warranty company revealed its numbers earlier this year) -- and only for early designs.
#4) I **KNOW** you didnt own a PS2. Because its failure rate was *VERY* high. I had 3 break on me. An entire "We fix PS2s" industry grew up in every city to fix them. Sony did *NOTHING* to help its customers.

And yet, given #4, the PS2 did very well. The only difference here is that MS is treating its customers MUCH better than sony did. And, anyone old enough to have paid for their PS2s with their own money (like, to be an adult with a job) knows **EXACTLY** what I'm talking about and know that I am correct.

[jlytle1234]

i had a ps2 since launch. The same ps2. Still have it. Its modded now, but works all the same. Everyone i know that has a ps2 never had any problems with them breaking. I know numerous people with broken xbox360s. My friend who works for ups said he was shipping back 5 a day to get repaired. And most numbers show in the 30% range for 360 failure rate. Obviously youll find that one report that says 16% and swear by it.
And those heat may have been resolved, but that doesnt mean theres still not millions of 360's out sold before the fix that are just waiting to break.

[OGharryjoysticks]

Articles like these are almost impossible to comment on in the Gamer Zone. If this article was a post here it would have needed to be put in the Open Zone or this guy would have been banned. But honestly it's the heavily negative articles that fill the internet and game journalism in general regardless of site. The media finds success in providing the fire and torches for the fanboys, and the way the anti-PS3 articles keep popping up everywhere I feel like I'm in a time-warp because it feels like I've been taken back to when the PS3 just launched. I haven't seen this much hatred since.

[Dread]

I agree in part (i do not think there is a doule standard as you seem to suggest. the 360 has received lots of deserved flack due to its prevalent hardware issues)

The media is realizing that there is a console war simmering and they are simply fanning the flames.

But, the fact is (perhaps the irony is) that people involved in this console conflict are more than willing to read the stories.

unfortunately including me. I am not a fanboy (i do not consider myself one, but i am sure if i say something negative about a console their respective soldiers will consider me one regardless), but i am interested in the console conflict because i am a gamer and this affects all gamers.

At the end, i feel (perhaps also ironically) that this conflict and all this media attention will actually benefit us as gamers because it means gaming is getting lots of extra promotion and attention. Thus more gamers in the future, more consoles and more importantly more games. yeah

be gamers not haters

peace

[Tacticity]

Sony can drink how much Kool-Aid as they want to they have nothing to worry about. PS3 FTW.

[NipGrip]

Anti-PS3 article by Don Reisinger. Here, let me save you all some time and give you a list of his next 5 article:

- "Why Bluray Sucks and Will Fail.. VERY SOON.. I PROMISE THIS TIME!"
- "Sony and the Playstation 3 Need to Just Die Already"
- "Why the XBOX 360 is the Best Console Ever Conceived and May Have Come Straight from God Himself"
- "Bluray Still Failing.. No, Really, It Is!"
- "1,000 Ways in Which the Sony PS3 is a Horrible Gaming Machine"

Don Reisinger is nothing more than a troll with a job writing for a company HEAVILY involved with MS marketing and media.

[Darkseider]

Dude bubble for that... no I have to get my co-workers to stop looking at me funny.

[VampHuntD]

Someone should show him the Iron Man Blu-Ray Sales data. Yup, Blu-ray is failing alright....Wait a second...

It'll be even funnier once Dark Knight comes out.

[Marty8370]

Another bullsh#t article. It good business practice look ahead and make realistic forecasts. It's not just Sony that will find it hard hitting forecasts, Microsoft, Nintendo will find it just as hard cos of the downturn in the world economy. As will most businesses aound the world.

Sony, Microsoft & Nintendo have seen thare stock prices tumble because of global recession looming.

[unjust]

This is CNET that wrote this article not some 360fanboy and no PS3 isn't going away, however they could really run into some money problems which would seriously hinder their gaming front.

[molsen81]

I agree that Sony is in a little trouble, but I don't think it's all Sony's fault. Microsoft's and Nintendo's gaming strategy is bringing the gaming genre down. There really was no reason for the 360's price to drop so low other than to divert PS3 buyers. The Wii is innovative, but also a step backwards in technology. Should the attitude now be to make cheap consoles with less technological advancement?

The article has a point when it comes to the other Sony industries. My wife is Japanese and refuses to buy anything but Sony products with those insane premium prices. This causes many disagreements. We bought a Sony digital camera, but I had to convince her that a Samsung LCD TV was just as good or better than the Sony model (and cheaper).

What's wrong with Sony swallowing it's pride and dropping the price just a little bit. The end result would be more happy consumers and more current PS2 owners moving over to the PS3.

[jlytle1234]

there is no premium on the ps3. Its priced high because of its contents. Other sony products carry a premium and they should consider bringing them down to stimulate sales. However the ps3 actually costs a crapload to make because of everything included in the package. Sony is also holding the price of the ps3 to finally turn a profit on it since they have been selling it at a lose for so long.(those greedy a holes)

Everyone seems to be confused about sony dropping its profit outlook. Its not because ps3 sales are down. Its because the yen dropped in value and the world is kinda in a big financial downtown. (incase you havent watched, read, or listened to the news.)

[cherrypie]

"My wife is Japanese and refuses to buy anything but Sony products "

Thats *really* funny. Because in Japan, Sony has a terrible reputation as being mass-market product. Not good. Just good enough to not be bargain-bin.

Your wife doenst know anything about electronics. Just because she's Japanese doenst make her anything more than a house-wife who like her favorite brand. Its like an American in Japan saying "I only buy Budweiser" and totally ignoring the fact that bud is mass-market garbage and the beer market has many superior products at the same (or better) price.

Fact: American consumers have a higher opinion of Sony than Japanese consumers do.

[IVYvsTAKI]

I'm starting to grow tired of this 100 year console war. It's all I ever seem to hear about anymore. What ever happened to gaming news? All this talk about sales numbers and fanboys and other bullsh!t is BORING!

[Tacticity]

US people complain all the time abut the PS3. But EU dosent complain anything near as US does. Thats becasue EU is more loyal, you can can basically see that in the mounthly sales. Allot of people just dosent understand what the PS3 is about, its more then a gaming machine its a future prof machine. It was designed to be expensive. Well innof said these xbox s!its will soon see whats coming.

[CertifiedGamer]

Dude is the same guy that called fable 2 goty
Same fanboy dissing sony.

[FailStation3]

hahahahaHAHhaHAHAhahaHAHHAahAH AHHAHAHHAAHhaAHAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHahahahahahaHAHha HAHAhahaHAHHAahAHAHHAHAHHAAHha A HAHAHAHaahaha IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!! HAHAHahhahAHAHaha

HAHAHA GREAT ARTICLE!!!!

"There's absolutely no reason why Sony LCD HDTVs are priced as high as they are. Why should I pay a few hundred dollars more for a 46-inch LCD from Sony when I can get an even better HDTV from a company like Samsung or Panasonic for the same price, or even cheaper?"

GOOD QUESTION!! HAHAHahaha SAMSUNG HDTVS > SONY HDTVS! LOL NUFF SAID.

CHEAPER... AND BETTER! LOOL. JUST LIKE 360. POOOOOOOOOOOOOOR SONY :(

[Marty8370]

Samsung brand sucks compared to Sony or Panasonic. BTW some Panasonic HDTV's are priced higher than even Sony. You pay for Quality when ya buy Sony or Panasonic.

[Montrealien]

sad sad sad

[NegativeCreep427]

Why the F*ck does this life-sized nut sack even have THREE bubbles?

[Horny Melon]

Vista ad on the article?

[air1]

nai, i agree good post with FACTS.

all these ps3 fisheads just love to talk crap like if the ps3 is doing so hot..

think about it sony fanatics if the p3 is ssooo great then how the hell is the 360 still out selling it? why is the attach rate better on the 360? why do more ppl pay for live then psn has subscribers? and the sh!t is free lol.

a 3 year old rrod system out performs the ps3 in almost all multiplats, has a larger install base, sells more games, has a better metachart. i mean damn do you sony fanatics see that? or you ppl realy think that lbp is going to move millions of consoles on day 1 lmfao mgs4 couldnt do it you think a bunch of sacks will? lol

[Tacticity]

US people complain all the time abut the PS3. But EU dosent complain anything near as US does. Thats becasue EU is more loyal, you can can basically see that in the mounthly sales. Allot of people just dosent understand what the PS3 is about, its more then a gaming machine its a future prof machine. It was designed to be expensive. Well innof said these xbox s!its will soon see whats coming.
Agree(1) | Disagree(1) | Report |

[Re-versed]

the ps3 is doing well in the america too...the fact that some morons complaining all the time about ps3...Dosnt means that is a disaster!

[pwnsause]

Cnet should stop drinking its own kool-aid, its bad for them.

[Charlie2688]

I am starting to suspect Don Reisinger doesn't like Sony -_-

[DFresh]

Sony isn't the only one that's f***ing up Microsoft is also screwing up.

Microsoft is also losing a ton of money the first Xbox didn't even make a profit because of the hard drive so they were out $70 a console for every console sold, also gotta factor in those 3 year warranties, RROD Issues, and their losing 1st party devs (ex. Bungie, Bioware, Tecmo, etc.).
-Microsoft is trying to make up the money by charging you to play online and charges you a lot by making you buy a lot of accessories when in fact the 360 should of came w/ these features (ex. Wi-Fi, Charge & Play Kit, Bigger Hard Drive, etc.)

Sony lost a lot of money too PS3 costs too much to make had to take a loss by having a price drop.
-Sony is making up the money by having 2 other platforms like the PSP/PS2 and continues to fund more 1st party games then 3rd party which is a smart move on their part.

The only people actually making money right now on these current gen consoles is Nintendo.
Why?
Charge you less, give you some innovative games, and has a portable DS to also make money.

[NaiNaiNai]

>.> you forgot to mention the total amount of money mircosoft makes off there software, that more than covers anylosses they may have on the systems.

also xbox live cost 7.95 im glad to pay for it you know why

xbox live i had a issue with a glitch online. game wouldn't let me play it online had a error. contacted microsoft they fixed the problem i had, *turned out to be a error with my account.* only took half an hour.

had a problem with my sony online settings, contacted them took like 8 days to get any word back.

i will be glad to pay if i get reponded to imediatly.

also anyone who adds "accesories" into the mix is sad, you dont need a Wi-Fi, extra battery packs, or really a bigger HDD(at least the 360 can also swap theres.)

people just don't like the P2P feature, but the only ones who seem to complain the most about it is sony fans, >.> seems that all those XBL members dont care, cause they like the service and its easily replied to. someone cheats there banned from the entire system not one game, most of the time its there xbox serial number band if they mod. >.> where as with sony online that doesnt seem to happen. (sony runs very little of the server, its mostly run buy the dev who rents a connection they tend to terminate more offten.)
-nai-

[air1]

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A...

dont forget to look at the date its at the upper left:)

the rest that you wrote whas just a bunch of bla blah

[Re-versed]

SONY has outsold microsoft with all its consoles...The ps2 still sells...This disaster that you claim that ps3 is, outsold your 360 in the america this year and in total sales this year!I cant believe how moronic your statements are!

[CAPT IRISH]

why didnt you droids fail this?

[BUKKAKALYPSE]

they downloaded the latest firmware update and can no longer function

[karlostomy]

Report History
Lame: (3 hours ago)
haaa super is the new bloodmask
how does failed news get re-approved?
Reported by: Denges
Lame: (6 hours ago)
What gives. This isn't news, it's just a 14 year old who works at Cnet blogging how he doesn't get Sony.
Reported by: darkride66
Duplicate Story: (10 hours ago)
http://www.n4g.com/industry...

and it has failed before.
Reported by: Gothdom
Other: (11 hours ago)
If failing is selling more than expected as well as selling more in it's first 1.5 years as the 360, then yeah I guess it has failed.
Reported by: VampHuntD
Lame: (11 hours ago)
Reported by: VampHuntD
Other: (11 hours ago)
Because it was never suppose to fail.
You PS3 fanatics might get the best of other contributors, but not me.
Reported by: SUP3R
Duplicate Story: (11 hours ago)
failed news: http://www.n4g.com/industry...
Reported by: MaximusPrime

[Anon1974]

He had another blog like this back awhile bashing Sony. Boy, Cnet/Gamespot start their Sony haters off young, don't they?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

RIP Playstation 3 <--- bows head for a moment of silence......... My brothers and sisters... we are gathered here are here today to mourn the passing of the Playstation brand. So if you all would join me in prayer, dear gaming god please be kind to this once mighty console. Remember the good things we (some) all loved about the once mighty king. It's now time for the PS3 to go to it's final resting place, in landfills, second hand stores, and garage sales all over the world. But never fear my brothers and sisters, the games the Playstation had will move on and grow on the Xbox. Would the pallbearers please lift the casket.... NO! NO! NO! put that down, thats a BBQ grill, the PS3 is over there in the trash can.

[air1]

amen...

ok moment of silence over time to play the superior games on the greatest system the 360:)

[BUKKAKALYPSE]

Nice post Jason.

Now where oh where have the dirty little trolls gone off to?

Oh Juuken, oh canadianguy, oh Ali the Brit where are you?? on the way to the pawn shop? well when you're done you can go to grab the new 360 bundle although you'll need more than what you'll get for your brick to Jump in!

Breaking news!!: scrap Metal prices have bottomed out due to mass droid suicides world wide. We haven't seen a price flux like this since E3! back to you bill.

[BUKKAKALYPSE]

Awww poor lil Ali so butt hurt he has to call out my mom. Your burn was as relavant as your outdated DS3. Sony's worth more than who, what ughh yea.

Maybe you should take a break from watching movies and play a game on your Elite. you know the system that actually delivers. oh thats right i forgot you tried games like halo and gears and got dominated..i see why you're collecting dust and not Killing spree's in matchmacking

[GWAVE]

I'm sure this comment will be ignored, since it is so far down the list, but has anyone dared question their own "doom and gloom" predictions of the PS3? Okay, so Sony will take LESS of a profit. Are they still making profit? Yep.

What about a loss? Am I the only one who recalls Microsoft's 5 BILLION DOLLAR loss on the original Xbox? Look what happened: they made another console. No big deal.

I think some people are too eager for particular companies to fail.

[Anon1974]

And yet still they're talking about the next Xbox. Making 400-600 million a year theres no way the 360 is going to break even before it's done. And it's too bad, because the 360 really does kick ass.

Still, doom and gloom for the PS3. It's sold more than the 360 did 2 years in. I think I'll reserve my judgement for now.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Sad times for PS3 owners, the future of the Playstation brand is at stake here. Sony may have to cut somthing loose to recover some loses. This would explain why Sony is losing exclusives, they don't have the money to match Microsofts offers. Forcing Blu-ray on the playstation was a mistake, it's keeping the price to high for the economy. It's as bad as Microsofts mistake with RROD, but Microsoft had the money to save and turn it around.

There is no way they can lower the price for the PS3, times are rough and no one knows when the rough times will end. It's not like Sony did it on purpose, they didn't know the worlds economy would pitfall. They also spend way to much money and take to long to develop games, that cost. I think Sony could cut the Cell and make a new SKU with a cheaper easer to use chip.

[GWAVE]

@ Jason360

This generation of consoles isn't even over yet, so let's look at the facts:

- the 360 is selling only SLIGHTLY better than the Xbox did within the same time frame

- if you compare the first two years of the 360 to the first two years of the PS3, the PS3 is doing MUCH better. Plus, the 360 had no competition. The PS3 had competition.

- the PS3 is slated to be a "10-year console", whereas most analysts say that a new Xbox will be out in 2010-2011. So, the concentration of development may shift back to the PS3 at that time.

- The PS3 has been gradually catching up to the 360 AT NEARLY DOUBLE THE PRICE, with fewer exclusives, and with a smaller library. What does that say about the 360?

- After 3 years, the 360 still suffers from a variety of hardware failures (some are under warranty, and some are not). What will be the state of the 360 hardware after ANOTHER 3 years?

I just wanted to point those things out. No one can predict the outcome of this generation, but before we all start screaming "SONY IS TEH FAILLURZ!!!", we should examine the cold, hard facts.

[STORMxEAGLE]

"The Lazy One 11.2 - it doesn't matter how good the PS2/PSP are doing...
Sony as a company is still losing a LOT of money, and it's due in large part to their arrogance with their brand.

see the graph above if you want the proof"

In the gaming industry, sure Sony isn't doing as hot as they used to, but they aren't exactly failing on a monumental scale either. What they need to do is pretty much what the article says "stop relying on their name to sell their products", cuz in this day and age there's plenty of competition and name brands aren't as important when another company has the same thing for a better price.

[trancefreak]

Don Reisinger YOU R A FLAMER!!!

[codemonkey240]

shut up its just a miner set back will be back to owning you f@gs in know time

[BUKKAKALYPSE]

in Know time? yeah the last few years seem like NO time at all

[outlawlife]

i was actually out shopping for a new television today and was wondering why sony tvs that offered less were priced up to $400 over other "good" brands

it is extremely odd that sony prices the tvs so high especially when samsung and sharp LCDs often look better

right now i'm stuck between a bravia or an aquos and in all honesty i can't justify the sony price tag so i'll be buying the aquos

[skullmcrex]

Thats just silly

[pshizle]

was going to be sonys year...

now im guessing it will be 2009

starting off with killzone2

[ultimolu]

..,Everyone is out to make sure Sony fails.
Now this is ridiculous, and when I mean ridiculous, I mean RIDICULOUS.
Not clicking on the link and I could give a damn about CNET and their FUD.

[skullmcrex]

The only people who want them to fail are yet-to be and possibly wont be, educated 14 year olds who want to prove their mummy bought them the right console. REAL gamers should unite against the dust collecting wii, dusters are becoming extinct!

[ultimolu]

And...in other news, 360 fanboys are drinking this news and praying that Sony will fail and Microsoft takes over the world!

Gotta love the media.

[karlostomy]

Well I, for one, am not 'drinking this news'

In fact, I am kinda concerned for Sony right now.
They are really in trouble this time and it just got worse.

They still haven't turned a profit on the ps3 shemozzle and can nary lower the price... something they need to do desperately.

I fear Sony is in a dark hole and in the end they will never recover the ps3 investment (loss)

If that is the case, I don't like the outlook for ps4!
Perhaps Sony won't be able to release one?

If that is the case the healthy competition will be reduced and a state of duopoly (look it up) will have been created between MS and Nintendo.

While I am sure those manufacturers will love that, the consumer will NOT benefit.

[ultimolu]

No karl, you're happy they're in a mess right now.
Congrats, now everyone can play 360's and 360's only.
You wanted this all along karl, you and the 360 fanboys.
Now you can celebrate.

[ultimolu]

Take your 360, spin it sideways and shove it up that gaping ass Farce.
You know you want to.

I don't buy cheap sh*t fanbrat.

Oh...and I do believe that smell is coming from your pus filled c*ck. :)

Nice try though.

A disagree?

Then I must be right!

Don't insult people and start things you can't finish ya psychopathic fanbrat.

[karlostomy]

Do you always have to go off the deep end?

You always get so angry... just chill out a bit, huh, princess?

Of course I want the 360 to win. I am a fan of the best console this generation (360) after all. You did read my bio, right?
(oh who am i kidding... you've memorised it, right?)

Anyway, I am starting to think the ps3 is REALLY in trouble.

I actually want Sony to make some money soon, so that the market remains full of competitors, all of whom make a share of economic profit in the long run, thereby keeping the industry fresh and exciting for us consumers.

:)

[ultimolu]

Blah, blah, blah, FUD from karl, yada, yada, yada.

They said the same thing about the PS2 karl.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/...

You 360 fanboys want Sony to fail so badly it's not even funny. You hate competition, don't you? If Sony is not in the gaming industry, there won't be any competition and this will be BAD for gamers. We need competitive markets fighting for our money.

Think about it.

[karlostomy]

I have stated several times that I want Sony to remain in the game.

I just think it's terrific that the Sony bravado and arrogance has been take down several notches and I will continue to call this out as often as i care to or see fit to do so.

If you don't like that, princess, then I suppose you could put me on ignore, huh?

I really don't mind.

My guess is, though, that you CANNOT help but read my comments because my arguments are most often backed by facts and offer rare insights, something which seems to be a rare attraction for you...

right?

[ultimolu]

...No you don't karl.

You've been running around with this report of 'SONY LOST 3.5 BILLION DOLLARS!', as if you know what you're talking about. True enough, they lost that money but that is nothing compared to the billions of dollars that's needed to bail out this economy, not to mention the 1.15 billion dollars Microsoft lost over faulty hardware.

Sony lost this money over new technology. They will get that money back in due time. All companies go through rough times.

It's about time you stop spreading FUD already and grow the hell up.

[interrergator]

:( poor sony

[FFXI101]

Is different when you buy Sony 46" HDTV than a Vizio or a Magnavox 46" HDTV TV, it's different when you buy a Sony walkman mp3 player than a RCA mp3 player. It's not just about the brand, but also about the quality. Sony's brand has it's quality, whether is a VAIO laptop, Sony Ericsson cell phone, or sony digital cameras. would you say driving a Hyundai is the same as driving a BMW? I don't think so.

[SaberEdge]

cherrypie said:

"PS2 had a high failure rate and Sony did nothing. Xbox 360 had a high failure rate and MS takes care of its customers. MS > Sony.
"What do you think would happen if the ps3 had a 30% failure rate?
It would be out of business"

#1) The Xbox 360 heat issues were resolved in Summer 07.
#2) All owners who have a problem get a free fix.
#3) The failure rate isnt near 30%, that is made-up internet garbage. The rate is less than half that (as we learned when the 3rd party warranty company revealed its numbers earlier this year) -- and only for early designs.
#4) I **KNOW** you didnt own a PS2. Because its failure rate was *VERY* high. I had 3 break on me. An entire "We fix PS2s" industry grew up in every city to fix them. Sony did *NOTHING* to help its customers.

And yet, given #4, the PS2 did very well. The only difference here is that MS is treating its customers MUCH better than sony did. And, anyone old enough to have paid for their PS2s with their own money (like, to be an adult with a job) knows **EXACTLY** what I'm talking about and know that I am correct."

This is true. Many of us had problems with our PS2s and Sony did not handle the problem nearly as well as Microsoft has. In fact, Sony had to have a class action lawsuit leveled at them before they did anything at all.

I also agree about the supposed 30% failure rate. That number was pure internet conjecture. The only RELIABLE figures we have point to a percentage around half that. Not surprisingly, though, Sony fanboys jumped on the unproven higher percentage and began to repeat it every chance they got. They also try to make it sound as if newer 360s are still having the same degree of problems, even though there isn't a single shred of evidence to support that claim. In fact, it's quite the opposite--failure reports for newer Xbox 360s have been much, much rarer.

The fact is, MOST of us have not had problems with our 360s. The ones that unfortunately do have problems...of course it isn't an ideal situation, but at least Microsoft completely takes care of the problem.

The original Xbox was much more reliable than the PS2, and I think some Sony fanboys forget that.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Fake article for hits.

Microshit-4th place

[ozps3]

Thats approx 14 to 15 million unique customers, (i.e. 14 to 15 million working xb360 in the world and approximately 7 to 8 million dead Xbox 360) so therefore PS3 is in the lead.

On a side note. Squarinnex deveoper of Final fantasy. Sony had 10% stake in the company, so therefore every copy of FF sold on XB360, the XB360 fans will be contributing 10% of the payment to SONY.

How do you feel about that XB360 fans? ;-)

[omodis420]

Videogames in general do not take that big of hits during economic downturns. The reason for this is that they provide a high return on a hefty investment. You get more hours of entertainment than any other form of media. A $60 investment can net you 30-60 hours of fun in most cases.

Who cares if Sony is not winning. Did it stop people from enjoying the first X-box when it wasn't winning? Sony will be around for a long time to come.

[shawnsl65]

Google teaming up with Sony :O, i would figure Google to be making their own console for next gen. guess joint venture is cooler =.=

[Firstkn1ghT]

Sony definitely has lost its mighty throne. Once it was seen as the best in electronics and now it hovers in the middle of the pack. The ps2 was the king of consoles at the time. Naturally the ps3 should have the same success. Right? Well it's not and you can blame the ps3 for Sony's downfall.

[InMyOpinion]

Sony needs to stop drinking it's own urine.

[shawnsl65]

Sony's getting more press than the xbox and it's all thanks to these anti-sony folks. interesting how that turns out. makes people do a little extra research on Sony, but then they still buy the Sony product. Funny how that works out. To me my xbox is good for gaming and only gaming. My ps3 handles everything else from gaming to multimedia. All you fanboys have a 1 track mind.

[Citizen Cook]

LOL

Sony breen drinking their own BS...