PS5 And Xbox Scarlett Will Hopefully Achieve Photorealism, Says Dev

Fall of Light developer hopes to further visual improvements in next-gen consoles.

[DarkVoyager]

I really looks forward to what Sony’s first party studios pull off with PS5.

I also expect PSVR to be a centric part of the PS5 design. I’m sure it will see a huge boost in visuals and realism.

[steven83r]

Doesn't really matter what power is pushing the PSVR, it won't help visuals much. The lenses are the problem. Just look at Vive/Rift attached to powerful PC's. Still get crap draw distance limited FOV and screen door effect. Give it 10 more years.

[DarkVoyager]

It doesn’t need 10 years. It’s more about the experience than just visuals alone.

The new Astro Bot: Rescue Mission coming to PSVR looks amazing.

[sampsonon]

doesn't matter Firewall Zero Hour is the best shooter in vr.

[rainslacker]

Not really. If you look at higher res videos that get downsampled for PSVR, then you'll see it look almost lifelike. There is some hatching, but that will likely be lessened with new displays as LED technology just keeps getting cheaper. For the most part, outside of adding in wireless or a few more motion controls within the headset, there isn't much that will likely cause ti to get too expensive to just improve the parts that are there, and hopefully make the unit a bit smaller. The better and possibly bigger screens will address the limited FOV and screen door effect.

The draw distances are definitely an application of software, and what can be drawn with the available GPU, and has nothing to do with the displays themselves.

[kneon]

it won't take 10 years. draw distance is a function of the power of the machine driving the vr. the screen door effect is already gone in higher end vr. it won't take long for those display to make it to the consumer level devices. FOV will improve as the cost of the larger displays needed comes down

[Dragonscale]

@steven, your talking current psvr which is great btw. No doubt psvr 2 will improve everything and with the power of PS5 will no doubt be awesome. VR is here to stay and will obviously improve in time, it will be a lot less than 10 years fgs lol.

[Vizigoth04]

But if you do nothing with the tech now then in 10 years this is where it will still be. Companies have to sell the products that work now to make better in the future.

[Kingthrash360]

It's not only the hardware....its the devs, their talent level and the type of game they intend to make....

[WANNAGETHIGH]

Sony Exclusives are close to that already, makes you wonder what there exclusives will look like on ps5.

[Nitrowolf2]

Going back in airplane some of the PS3 games like kill zone two and three are the in charted series I just blows my mind even to this day with how good it graphically those games looked

[Minute Man 721]

Sony exclusives look good but not photorealism good. Pass what you smoking. Disagree if you know I'm telling the truth

[Darth Gamer]

45 yrs old here and still live playing. Own all the consoles. But I still remember playing on my Atari 2600. Loved it back then. I remember saving up all my birthday money etc to buy the original NES. Good times.

[sprinterboy]

I'm 42yrs old and been playing games since the beginning with atari 2100 with games like pong, pacman, missile command etc 1982 ( I was 7yrs old)

Computer wise amstrad cpc 464 was my first ever computer, games like spanner man, dizzy, 3d grand prix (how many hrs) gauntlet, gazza super soccer etc 1984.
I know it's seems soppy but it brings a tear to my eye the evolution of games.

Its amazing how far we have come and we're truly blessed in our medium of story telling, physics, gameplay etc. I'm old school and I still play games with review scores of 5/10 or buy just off the cover art and description of a game.

PS5 is scary awesome with what Sony 1st party have done this gen, hzd, spiderman, detroit, DC, everybody's golf, uncharted, gow, gts, crash, last guardian, until dawn and the order as examples.
Great 3rd party also with games like fc5, sniper elite, sherlock Holmes, metro, wolfeinstein, south park, prey, golf club to name a few.
Let's not forget the proper vr games resident evil, moss, chess vr (chess in hell against the grim reaper is awesome) star trek with 4 players (under rated) Wipeout, fated the silent oath, hatsune miku.
Great vr experiences like YouTube short vr movies (people seriously need to watch the short movie with godzilla vr) porn, arkam, gts, last guardian, job sims, transference, chernobyl, the lost bear (classic) to namea few.
Indie games like resogun, bound, valiants heart, nex Machina, this is the police, lara Croft go, layers of fear, gone home, the bunker, among the sleep, walking dead (season one ending wow) life is strange to name a few.
Nxt gen will be amazing is what I'm trying to say, resident evil in vr has been my number 1 game this gen from a game immersion point of view and playing different to anything I've ever played or experienced b4, yes spider, gow, detroit are awesome too but res wins it for me from a shit I better take this off for a hr and chill for a bit because it's that intense in vr.

[windblowsagain]

I'm 45. lol.

I remember those games, plus the arcade games i love. Bombjack. Supersprint. Those were the days.:)

Heck I even knew when fruit machines were going to pay out. So much has changed!

CPC464 was awesome. I used to have a this.

https://youtu.be/3WPMq80wYF...

No google lol. So slow to amazing as well. Dial up and speaking to people in other countries over a bbs.:)

[MWH]

Nice to know there are elder gamers around here.

[Pickledpepper]

I still own all my consoles, atari 2600, up to present day lol. You said you had an amstrad cpc464, I had a spectrum 48k then 128k, you and I would not have been friends at school pmsl

[OG_TK_Cole]

Im 42 as well so I definitely understand where you are coming from. Video games have definitely come a long way since we were kids.

[adonisisfree]

PSVR is dead. No one cares anymore.

[KickSpinFilter]

So wrong with the launch of Firewall Zero Hour and other up coming games it's just starting to come in to it's own.

[ps5fanboy]

Vr , less 8k , least 4 , ultra wide screen ,with feedback gloves , and focus tracking , n wireless of course ,forget it, makes you ill , and underwelmed

[Vizigoth04]

Not sure why your getting the downvotes. But I agree with you. Especially in the third and fourth year of PS5 games built from the ground up. I think Sony will have to balance how they do things if they intend to make them PS4 titles too. Maybe have a standard with new games coming 1080p 30fps for PS4, 4K 30fps for PS4 pro and 4K 60fps for PS5. Also VR should integrate well with PS5. PSVR can maybe go wireless via remote play or feature it's own computing functions versus the PS5 doing it. Sony has to be smart to innovate while not leaving out their fans who still Support playing on a TV. I trust them to continue their first party strength too.

[crazyCoconuts]

You can usually predict the gaming bolt articles from the title alone.

[blackblades]

Lol, like literally I did.

[frostypants]

Right?! It's painful. How to write a FailingBolt headline:

[Obscure dev of obscure game] [thinks/hopes/says] [flamebait/clickbait/insipid and weak generality].

Why do people even agree to be interviewed by these hacks? They blatantly ask suggestive questions to generate the desired headline. It's bad journalism.

And who DOESN'T "hope" we reach photorealism next gen? And it's all relative...some games two gens ago sure seemed photorealistic compared to previous games, but the needle moves as people acclimate and the shortcomings get more discernible. If we're talking real time graphics that are 100% indistinguishable from real life, we're ages away, and next gen won't be even close.

[annoyedgamer]

much sensationalize, so clickbait, wow

[steven83r]

Stupid. I won't even click on this garbage. The most powerful GPU's today cannot do photo realism. What makes them think PS5/X2 with a GPU on par with say a GTX 1050 can? Now photo realistic CGI cut scene sure.

[rainslacker]

Because people seem to have different levels of acceptance for what is photoreal.

Technically speaking, film grain is nowhere near what is capable with a GPU. But a GPU isn't as good at softening the image like film grain is.

More technically, there really is nothing that determines what is photoreal, because even photos can vary wildly in quality and appearance based on the camera, the film, and the development process(or photoshopping type stuff for the case of digital photos).

[frostypants]

You nailed it. This SAME discussion happened before the PS2/Xbox gen, the PS3/Xbox 360 gen, etc. People are blind to ever changing standards. LITERAL, REAL TIME photorealism isn't even on the horizon in general, much less on consumer hardware.

[BioNeo]

Ignoring the photo Realism, Xbox one x GPU is better than a gtx 1050. PS5 and next Xbox won't be weaker than any console they have out now. Expect something above gtx 1080 but will always be below the latest flag ship gpus

[nismo370]

Stop with nonsense articles, gamingbolt is desperate for clicks.

[gamer9]

Here we go again.. how about hit 60 FPS minimum first and then figure everything else out after that?

[NovusTerminus]

I am expecting most of the extra power to be used up by real time Ray Tracing.

[paintedgamer1984]

I just need 9th generation home consoles to come as close as possible to 4k 60 and if not id appreciate an option to run all games at checkerboard 4k 60 or 1400p at 60 fps... if these consoles launch as early as fall 2019 or sometime in 2020, they should have no problem making these demands. I think i speak for a many gamers out there when i say there are far more things more important than "photorealism".

[sampsonon]

I guess you've never played Driveclub before. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
sony already accomplished photo realism with the ps4

[LordoftheCritics]

I feel like I read that headline when the PS4 and X1 were about a year from release.

[Einhander1971]

There are headsets already being shown with 5K and 8k panels inside these units. It’s not just the lenses that matter. So it’s getting there quicker than u think.

[masterfox]

Photorealism is already being achieved since lots of years ago, I'm hoping for a more interactive world or environments, with this I mean more physics, smoke physics a more alive environment, that imo would mark another generational leap instead of aiming for more photo-realistic picture.

[Nacho_Z]

Yeah I'd feel more like a big step had been taken if things like destructible environments and the things you mentioned became the norm, backed up by buttery smooth frame rates, rather than slightly more detailed graphics.

[Eldyraen]

Photo realism? If it’s 480p again maybe.

1080p could look phenomenal of course but not truly photorealistic yet—not 100% of the time anyways. I’m sure you will probably find some areas or tweak photo mode enough to get some shots that will straddle the fence. Even today you can sometimes given the right tools, but as i said only under specific conditions. The right Depth of Field to blur distances, filters and contrast/brightness/time of day which can compensate for modern game lighting a bit more than hardware can yet manage, etc.

Next gen it might not need as much help, but will still not be perfect. If at 4k? Less power to push everywhere else.

Plus most Devs still won’t push for photorealism once we can achieve it. Most games don’t need that level of fidelity anyways, but some definitely will push it before going for more of a stylized hyper-realistic look (stand-alone cgi over cgi in live action as a comparison).

I’m sure it will be close enough where you’ll see articles pop up about it. Sort of how even Skyrim and pc GTA Enb has “realsitic” videos (more so a couple years back), but are just taglines for gorgeous graphics with superb visuals, yet are still not photorealistic.

It should be pretty crazy though. A lot of games today need minimal boosts to see most visuals look “right” if not real. Tomb Raider for example is gorgeous but just a bit more polygons (less than half again) and the models would be even crazier. Lara’s face for example is pretty darn smoothly shaped but they took minimal sacrifices elsewhere which could easily be fixed next gen. Her shoulders for example in close ups are a bit more blocky at certain angles (straight lines here and there) but would be “smoothed out” by a whole 20-30 more polygons there. Same for most hands or feet in games which are often another easy to sacrifice spot.

And yes i am very detail oriented so noticed these sort of things when most probably wouldn’t. Don’t hold them against it though as not like I spend all game looking for these things. Or in Spidey and it’s boat people which I never noticed—I just noticed I’d fall through the distant boats and was good enough for me as they had no purpose beyond extra details.

Just saying we’re close enough where most models need minimal additions to look right if not real.

Last gen imo brought visuals to the point where they could look truly expressive and emotional (introduced polygonal characters with sufficient detail where it’s a good approximation but still not quite right), this gen brought that even further though with characters that can look more cgi-like in comparison to older games with even better physicality (the eyes especially—much more expressive and genuine now). Next can take it even further.

TLDR? Maybe, but I like my games and the tech behind them all.

[Angelin]

Not sure why you got downvoted, you are spot-on IMHO.

I for one think that we have a lot of improving to do in the landscaping department. Take AC Origins as an example. On vanilla PS4 while riding a horse you can see the grass getting drawn 30m in front of you and there’s a low amount of trees visible at any monent. In order to have more detail devs sacrifice day/night cycles and use baked lighting instead (ex: God of War 4). You mentioned Spiderman and the first thing I thought about was how trees have no roots. While these details are not very important from a gameplay perspective, they do break immersion.

[Valkron1]

If we can’t get 4k HDR at 60 FPS with raytracing now on a $2,500 pc rig I doubt we will have a home console in 2 years less than $500

[Larrysweet]

No they wont if 2080ti cant then no..sonys devs may def breal boundries though

[ajax17]

Well, some games this generation have nearly photorealistic environments. Just look at uncharted 4. I can't imagine how good naughty dog games will look

[kevnb]

They wont, but it will look really nice!

[FanboysKiller]

60 fps > Secret Sauce

[kevnb]

im hoping next gen will go beyond, hdmi 2.1 opens up lots of possibilities.

[KickSpinFilter]

OK...They have said this every generation since PS2.
Just the same looking forward to PS5 in 2020 and PSVR 2 in 2021
And waiting to see what Scarlett will bring.

[Asuka]

i would prefer better performance and better AI. AI in today's games has been essentially the same for a decade now. Also 60fps games more often than not in ~2020 would be ideal imo.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

Some people seem to still think that the 'next generation' of consoles, has some sort of secret sauce, that will blow everything out of the water. All you need to do is look at what PC hardware is out currently, and that will tell you what 'next gen' consoles will do. I doubt that the PS5 or the next Xbox will have even the performance of a GTX 1080Ti, due mainly to the cost of the hardware required to hit those kinds of benchmarks.

[Stanjara]

I agree, but still TLOU2 looks nothing like anything on a PC so, developers and their talent will push graphics forward.

[1-pwnsause-1]

im gonna make a prediction, but its gonna be wild...Both systems will support raytracing, but at cost and it will be implemented on specific (or some) games, depending on developer vision, not every game will uitilize it cause of the amount of resources it takes to implement it

[Stanjara]

You will achieve it only with true Ray tracing and still, it will be artificial. Even now you can spot cg in movies. And those are rendered 1 frame per day.

[LgbtWarrior]

True 4k 60fps with hdr is what the standard should be. 30 fps is awful

[Shikoku]

Not likely

[neoandrew]

They will not.

[Segata]

I couldn't care less about photorealism. I can look out a window for that. I want devs to use more power to unleash more creative imaginative and unique looking games with that power. Not just more of the same with a new coat of paint.

[Vigant]

i just want at least 60 fps for every game tbh

[cellfluid]

this is the same ish they said about the ps3/360 and the ps4/xbox one. And now the ps5/Scarlett lol yeah ok we'll see..

[Hardiman]

That's cool but I really am happy with the level of graphics available aim the present. Titles like GOW, Uncharted 4 and Detroit and open world games like Witcher 3, HZD AC Origins/Odyssey , Red Dead 2 and Spider-Man. Games coming like Ghosts of Tsushima, Death Stranding and TLOU2 also look like they are on another level!

Now that doesn't mean I wouldn't want games to continue evolving graphically but I'm more interested in seeing where CPU's go and how that affects NPC A.I. and environments.

[DarXyde]

I don't think photorealism is practical yet.

You're talking about going beyond PC with serious optimization.

[windblowsagain]

Could not give a sh^t about VR.

Photorealism won't be possible for quite some time. Maybe PS9 LOL.

PS4 camera should have allowed you to do a 360 model of your head and when you play a game like BF etc. You could look at your team and see there face.

Physics in games needs to improve. Many have poor animations, they don't have enough. Visuals will always improve.

Forza4 Horizon is an excellent title. But to achieve 60fps on Xboxone x, it has to be 1080p. 4k 30fps.

Looking forward to seeing the next uncharted, last of us etc. Also open world games will improve massively.

[inxine]

stable gaming experience, not photorealism.

[NapalmSanctuary]

Much more concerned about decent frame rates and their ability to run games from genres like RTS, without too many limitations, than I am about photorealism. I just can't think of too many genres where photorealsim truly adds to the experience. And where it does add to it, we're pretty much already there (GT, Ace Combat).

[81BX]

Give me the next xbox in 2yrs.... my body is ready!

[WickedLester]

They wont. But I'm sure they will be great nonetheless.

[NerdBurglars]

They said this about the PS3 before it came out and the thing could hardly manage 720p. Ill believe it when I see it...in real time...none of that Killzone 2 stuff!

[Noz]

lets start with 4K/60fps at least -.-

[Kushbaba]

Yeah in 10 years

[Tsar4ever01]

Hate to burst everybody's hopes, But NO, The PS5 And XBOX 4 will NOT achieve true Photo Realism. All they will be able to do is pretty much the same they did this generation, but instead of most large AAA titles running at "Dynamic Resolutions", more will be at Native res and because the cpu cores will be RyZEN bases, most of the AAA games that were forced to run at 30 fps this gen will mostly run at 60 fps, and if unlocked, 60 to over 100 fps. And Oh yeah, this time 'BOTH' consoles will support AMD's freeSync and more of AMD's exclusive tech such as

1) AMD VR Ready Processors: AMD VR-Ready processors provide confidence with the processing power required to handle advanced VR workloads. Both consoles will be VR ready.

2) "PREMIUM" VR READY: As in higher end 'Gaming PC' level VR. For the best possible VR experiences, AMD offers select Ryzen™ VR-Ready Premium processors. This especially for the Sony's PS5, being that they just recently announced are doubling down on VR support and the current psvr is more a 'proof of concept' level VR.

3) AMD StoreMI Technology: Software that combines the speed of your SSD with the capacity of your hard disk into a single, fast, easy-to-manage drive.

4) Machine Learning: Making sense out of machine learning and deep learning. This is 'BIG FAT MAYBE', It's said that ML is not meant utilized for gaming, but both consoles might find a way to use ML tech in PS5/XB4 at some smaller level.

[frostypants]

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[sagapo]

I would rather like an incredible detailed and interactive world rather than photorealism to be honest