From Eurogamer: "Several months ago, on a rainy evening in Birmingham, I loaded up Discord and called my university friends. "Ok guys," I said. "What can we all play together?""
Let us change our PSN usernames
“Sony has caved on Fortnite console cross-play - now what?“ How about telling Microsoft to drop the ridiculous Xbox Live Gold requirement to play F2P games such as Fortnite.
Yes, most definitely that should happen. It is called Free 2 Play for a reason.
I agree with you, but how about Sony open up console crossplay now for all the multiplatform games that devs want to make that way? They only seem to have done this because they were responsible for locking out people's accounts... and perhaps because the game is too immensely popular to be anti-consumer with.
nah thats not about sony, now... whats next (sony)? let us play uncharted 4 on xbox and switch!
I'd prefer user name change first over this cross play crap.
im glad sony surrendered on their stubborn stance with cross play. Now they have to work on their user name rules.
Caved? You act like Sony isn't in control here.
Not only that but Eurogamer conveniently forgot all about Bethesda and their refusal to enable Cross-play in the new Fallout game, a dev that was rather critically vocal against Sony's former stance.
Exactly. Also, now every game journalist and their mother should be condemning MS for locking FREE to play games behind a paywall. I won't hold my breath.
I definitely agree with this paywall Crap. MS needs need I drop it period. Makes no freaking since what so ever robbing it's fans.
Why do you think he means a lack of control when he says "caved"? He simply means that Sony reversed it stance which is 100% true and a great thing for gamers everywhere.
He could have said that. Therefore he means something else.
😄😄 He could have also said Sony lacked control...he didn't say that either though haha. My question is why does he feel that's what he meant by the word "caved"? When someone says caved, it usually means that they gave in and changed their position...I've never seen it mean that one lacks control...
timotim and Switch4One cave1 verb US capitulate or submit under pressure; cave in. "he caved because his position had become untenable" Submitting to external pressures strongly implies a lack of control.
@Linktothepast No Sir...being FORCED to change means you lacked control...that wasn't the case here. No one forced Sony to do this. They CHOSE to based off pressure. They were in control this whole time and had the backing of many PS fanboys to remain the only player not to support mass cross-play. However, they simply changed/modified/altered their position, not through force or a lack of control, but their own doing. Caved does not mean a lack of control...you are reaching with your last statement in your post.
Oh tim O tim You say I'm reaching, but don't actually provide anything to refute the definition and explanation given. Again, submitting or capitulating (ceasing to resist an opponent or an unwelcome demand; yielding) to external pressures (things you have no control over) implies a lack of control. If you still can't make that mental connection then I can't help you.
Not in control? What the heck do you think caved means?! Sony stance for a long time was no crossplay and now they have relented due to pressure, ie caved.
If they weren't in control they wouldn't have the ability to change course so radically. And obviously from reading the statement, they have put a lot of effort into finding a path forward that supports their business. There is no no off the cuff fast reactions happening here. Everything (for better or worse) is calculated and so is this decision.
@Eonjay "There is no no off the cuff fast reactions happening here. Everything (for better or worse) is calculated and so is this decision." 🤣🤣 Which means Sony is in control and the caved statement simply means that Sony CHANGED or modified their stance!!! Thank you for proving my point. This isn't about a lack of control, its about reversing ones position...
@timotim They clearly stated in several ways that they changed stance. What is you actual point?
@Eonjay LOL...what is your actual point? I still have yet to get my question answered, which is why does he feel that caved implied a lack of control in this case? You cant have "calculated decision" and "lack of control" to mean the same thing haha...
@timotim I am absolutely sure I said it already. But since you can't see I will post it again: "If they weren't in control they wouldn't have the ability to change course so radically. And obviously from reading the statement, they have put a lot of effort into finding a path forward that supports their business. There is no no off the cuff fast reactions happening here. Everything (for better or worse) is calculated and so is this decision." I never implied anything about the meaning of caved At all. There is something wrong here.
How are they not in control they are allowing this to happen at any time they can reverse their stance I would say they are very much in control not only that but so far they are only allowing cross play with it's competitors with Fortnite on a trial basis as far as I know, but sure they caved. LOL
See how these so called journos epose their true colors. "Surrender", " caved".... Hollywood tabloid stuff.. yuck
Caving doesn't mean lack of control. Caving mean enough ppl got on Sony's nerves to make them go "fine we'll do it, happy now?" That's not lack of control. Pressure doesn't = force
You pay for XBL if you only own a PS or Nin console and vise-versa.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Could you elaborate?
At some point, once this becomes common enough, someone is going to tie crossplay to their subscription service. Wont ask for a full fee, but it will be something.
Ahh... Got ya.
I like all these articles that have come out using words like "caved", concern trolls got what they wanted and they're still taking shots at Sony, what a shocker.
Only people that are involved in imaginary console battles feel that way. If you were a level minded consumer you wouldn't be bothered by the language used here because it is true that Sony caved/relented. Why does it bother you to hear this?
You know as well as I do that the term caved has a negative connotation. If they wanted to simply make a statement about Sony allowing crossplay the should have said Sony has changed its stance on crossplay, or something to that effect.
But they did cave. This isn't them pioneering a new era, this is them finally budging from their stubborn stance. Anyone who doesn't have stock in this stupid console war can accept the fact that they caved without feeling a ways about it. Why does it hurt you so to hear that they caved? It's so trivial. You are acting like children.
I dont like the "caved" wording either mostly cause it is negative sounding & like it was something that shouldnt have happened...which pulls more ppl in to argue over this whole thing all over again, like its not a good move.
Imaginary? Look at all the buzz words being used "caved, relented, gave into" as if this is some kind of defeat by Sony. Why not just write an article celebrating cross play? Oh right that wouldn't get nearly as much attention as using these buzz words.
It bothers me because the language is a lie and any level minded person can see its being used slanderously towards Sony, why do you support the hyperbole? Don't bother I know why, but do carry on pretending you're not involved in the "imaginary" console battle.
The fact "caved" got you in your feelings exposes your fanboyism
The fact you made this comment exposes yours, congrats on the hypocrisy, wasn't your first time though.
Make no sense but okay lol TRIGGERED!!!!
It would have if you had a modicum of intelligence, but okay.
If you say so. Cave got this boy heated
I do say so, and that seems to have you heated, lol.
Let it all out don't worry Sony will never cave again 😆
They'd have to cave first before they could cave "again", here's another L for you to hold.
It's a shame that the shills who defended Sony's stance are more upset and hurt and can't move past this even though it benefits developers and gamers alike. That's what's truly shocking...not really though
Only if you take what they say literally though.
Whats really a shame is that trolls like you haven't been banned from this site permanently, boggles the mind how you get away with it ALL the time. This didn't have to do with Sony changing its stance it had to do with the terminology used in the articles title but apparently what it really ended up being was an opportunity for one of the worst usual suspects to show up, truly shocking.... not really though.. Don't even get me started on the irony of you calling other people shills, nearly fell out of the chair on that one.
I sure wish they hadn't done that because it's a slippery slope and all down hill from here.
It hasn't been slippery for anyone else...
It can't really be a slippery slope for Microsoft, since their entire gen has been a slippery slope.
Now we pressure Microsoft to drop Gold requirement for FTP games. It's super anti consumer.
I'm with you there. That issue has gained zero traction amongst the gaming press, though. For whatever reason. @Below: As much as I try to resist that train of thought, it makes more and more sense as the years go by.
The reason is most gaming media is USA centric and Xbox is classed (made in china) as an American console, anything that is not USA gets judged a lot differently.
Wow. What a load of hogwash. Do you remember always online and always kinect gate? The media rightfully tore MS a new one and they caved to the pressure. Such selective memories some of you have.
You haven't heard a damn word from these same websites.
Because we the consumers aren't making big enough waves about it. The media alone didn't cause Sony to cave, it was the consumers as well. I don't understand this notion that the media is bias against Sony when it's the very same media lauding (rightfully so) their exclusives and game output. People are so selective with their reasoning around here. You can't have it both ways.
Now all the people who were highly critical of Sony are scrambling to save face after making a big deal about crossplay yet have no plans to implement it.
After the media wrings every ounce of blood out of this topic as they can for those last few crossplay hits, we can then watch how underwhelming this crusade for gamers everywhere will be. Then we'll be on to the next crusade to the top of Molehill Mountain for more features that will be underused and forgot about in a months time.
Have you always been so opposed to people having options or is this just when Sony is involved? I recall you being opposed to Game Pass as being an option, calling options a buzzword. That stuck with me because I'd never come across a consumer so opposed to consumers getting more choices. So has it always been like this with you?
The fake outrage over cross play was a pathetic joke, and the companies that spoke out about it the most, now have NO plans for cross play, so that should tell you right there how unimportant this push was in the first place. I'm all for choices, but I'm not a fan of manufactured rage and people telling me what I should and shouldn't want. It's even worse that shills are coming out pretending that this is a win for gamers, when most of the people that actually game on the system couldn't give 2 s***s about crossplay. But, now that the evil company that was actually giving gamers what they wanted all along, has surrendered or caved in, or whatever these people are using for headlines, there had better be some game changing, super awesome stuff upcoming for cross play.
You do know that 'having options' is always used as an excuse to implement microtransactions? So no, it isn't automatically a good thing.
I think the next announced crossplay game will be the Elder Scrolls card game. Bethesda were pretty adamant that no crossplay=no game there.
Didn't Bethesda just say today that they do not plan to implement crossplay in Fallout 76?
Because Sony took too long they would have to redo everything with the Infrastructure to get it working
I hope they bring cross play to Destiny 2. It is kind of funny how much better my KD is on PS4 vs Xbox and especially compared to PC. Let the noob floodgates open!
You go on reddit and find something else to cry about. That’s what the modern insatiable victims do these days right?
Sony goes on to sell slightly more consoles than it was. Adds BC on PS5 with PS4 games in 2020 Further locks down next gen with the PS5 Shu, Let us change our PSN usernames Get on MS case about locking free MP games behind a paywall, and the lack of highly rated new IP exclusives on XB1 5 years in.
Now we wait for people to find something else to complain about
Right because wanting better consumer friendly experiences is bad.