Kotaku discuss their concerns about how little buzz Shadow of the Tomb Raider has generated, and theorise as to why that might be.
Wrong time releasing around spiderman. They should have held off until March.
I dont know what Square Enix were thinking launching ROTR on a far less popular platform (as well as the Playstation brand being alot more allied with the Tomb Raider one) and then on the same day as the multi-platform hype fuelled behemoth that was Fallout 4. I don't think being very similiar to the 2013 reboot helped either and I really think it damaged the momentum of this rebooted series and hence here we are with very little hype for the 3rd installment. Having said that I will get this (and Spiderman) further down the line
To add to your comment they shouldn't have released the games back to back, 3 to 4 years apart would of helped greatly in building up anticipation. Oh and hurry up and buy Spider-Man, you'll be blown away.
Nothing wrong is releasing it next to Spiderman.. no one expected the massive success of it. I think TR is also a huge name in gaming. I just think the series is held back by the new formula, by being an Uncharted clone. I really think and hope Shadow is the last one of this type, and that they will go back to the roots like RE7 did brilliantly.
Oh I didn't know Spider-Man released on PC and Xbox as well? The gaming world does not revolve around the Playstation release schedule. Maybe they should have skipped the PS4 release till there's a free gap and just released on PC and Xbox. I actually enjoyed Shadow much more than the first 2 games. It went back to it's roots of actually raiding tombs and exploring but I played on PC which according to you doesn't seem to exist outside your world view.
Then it would sell way less...
That's not what he said or implied.
There there, sweetie. Did that mean ol' comment hurt your feelings?
"Maybe they should have skipped the PS4 release till there's a free gap and just released on PC and Xbox." If you look at the UK charts from when the game released, it actually sold even worse on Xbox One than it did on PS4. So I don't think that would have been a good idea. "The gaming world does not revolve around the Playstation release schedule." Actually, it kinda does. Simply because the PS4 is by far the most popular platform right now. It would be foolish to ignore this factor.
Yeah, I'm playing it on PC too and I agree that it's the best game in the reboot trilogy for my tastes. It's a thoroughly enjoyable game. If people choose to miss out on it it's their loss. I also know what you mean about the neurotic attitudes towards the PC of a lot of users on this site. The only time the PC matters to those people is when it gives them an excuse to downplay the other console, in all other circumstances they bash and downplay PC gaming.
I think this game would have been better if released in december. The only game in that month is smash and they could have found some week to get the most out of it.
@Nyxus That's not true. The number of PS4s sold does not surpass the number of PC gamers, let alone being "by far the most popular platform right now". That claim isn't even remotely accurate. Again, unless you pretend the PC doesn't exist.
Speaking historically, however, the majority of the Reboot Trilogy's sales have come from PlayStation. When you lose a good chunk of that to another AAA title that launched just before yours, that WILL hurt. Especially your pride after you go out of your way to announce you're not worried about said game.
I doubt it has to do with Spider-Man release( although it plays a factor) but I think most people now prefer the Uncharted series over this.
They also released Rise on the same day that Fallout 4 came out. How dumb.
Yes on Yes Duhhh DLC Tho in Winter Huge ?
Problem is not Spiderman released, problem is SoTR has no gameplay, look like some one compiled all cut scene in game. If you played last Tomb Raider game then no matter what you will be disappointed, where is gameplay action in game? I played Rise of Tomb raider more than 4 times never get bored but what SoTR offer? a compilation of cut scene! I bought this game to play not watching a long cg showcase.
It has the same gameplay as the last game but with more emphasis on exploring over combat but still pretty similar. And they both have cutscenes through out. What are you even on about?
Warrior There is a lot less focus on combat and you can't do that when the original reboot had a lot of combat and rise had its fair share. But shadow of the tomb raider lacks in moment to moment combat gameplay You can't be releasing around Spiderman and other much bigger AAA IP's because tomb raider IP is not on that level recognition wise This should have either be released around July or August or delay it till early next year I just don't get it if us the gamers can see a bad release window how come publishers don't
Shadow of the TR is boring to me. There's this boring open world stuff that is so boring, along with purchasing some of the tools like the lockpick instead of finding it. Now, I love open world games, but this is one example of boring open world. Rise is my favorite.
Think your over reacting there
Problem is Spiderman released.
I doubt it @carl ... tombradar is multiplat so Xbox fanbase can purchase it if they want too. But it’s not still doing great. I think the problem is people now prefer the Uncharted series over Tomb radar.
@WANNAGETHIGH I don't think it is a stretch to say that Shadow of TR would have sold a hell of a lot more if Spider-man wasn't on shelf next to it. Uncharted has always outsold TR. That doesn't make TR a bad game or a game people don't want to play. It just was never going to beat Spider-man and is actually suffering in sales because Spider-man's huge shadow. (damn right I intended that pun :-) )
No, it’s due to it releasing a week after Spider-Man and a month before COD and Red Dead. It’s more likely people will choose those games and wait for a price drop for Shadow.
Yh but the reviews did not help either. To many mix reviews , gets a 9 at IGN and a 6 at gamespot?? Lol.. talk about constract of opinions. This franchise dose not have long legs anymore.
Why single out this game to be worried about when tonnes of games do worse than expected and not a peep from anyone?? It's not the most popular game atm, big deal.
Exactly. Games are getting released every week. I bet there are better games than Tomb Raider getting released that are going under the radar right now.
Yeah precisely. It's not journalists job to "worry" about particular games. Is this a paid for piece or have some particular motive for writing it?? Can't stand Kotaku.
Why are you so defensive? It's a big deal because this series is big, it's a AAA game and it seems to be getting almost completely ignored. Which to me doesn't bother me at all, I wasn't nearly as impressed with the reboot as everyone else seemed to be. You say "tonnes of games do worse than expected and not a peep from anyone??" Are you referring to indie titles? Small games? Well of course, no one says anything because they aren't expected to do very well or garner a lot of buzz, and if one does the media points it out because it's a big deal. Every game that sells below expectations or any popular series that starts to be ignored is always pointed out by the media for better or worse(Battlefield and Call of Duty come to mind immediately). Quit acting like Tomb Raider is unfairly being singled out like you helped develop the game or something.
Overshadow of the Tomb Raider
An SJW activist group discussing games? How about that.
When you consider who the start of Tomb Raider is, and who is causing the overshadowing, its still SJW first. Games second.
Who cares? Its 3rd party, released on multiple platforms - it'll sell well over it's lifetime.
But will be heavily discounted very quickly which isn't ideal for the developer.
When you make an above average game, that isn't much different form the last. And by all accounts the worst in the trilogy - what do you expect.
How is it any different than the last one? The release window and Xbox One timed exclusivity screwed the sales on that one too.
that's still haunting them. PS4 gamers didn't get a chance to get into the series because of the delay and just didn't bother. Maybe once they make a trilogy collection it'll sell more.
Over 60% of sales in the UK were on PS4. PS4 gamers aren't the ones ignoring it.
Maybe I'm not the only one that got tired of this trilogy so. Aside from "da graffix" the current trilogy has nothing going for it.
I'm half way through atm. Curruntly I think it's a hard game to review score, is it a 7? maybe, is it a 6? so far maybe. There is so many frustrating moments from falling cause she doesn't grab, then the constantly pressing of R3 to find stuff which results in Lara constantly telling you what to do nxt, even though I know what to do but I'm looking and collecting stuff before moving on. Camera angles can move at crucial times before jumping resulting in making you jump on the wrong angle, facial expressions and Lara face in general is so off its laughable (there is something not right) plus it very repetitive. Having said all that I am enjoying it somewhat though. Like I said, it's a hard one to score, I'd even understand if I came across a 5/10, the game is definatly not a 8 or above with its faults. I'm sitting somewhere around a 6 atm but hey I'm old school and a 6 is a good game.
there is NEVER a wrong time to release a game. there is only games that are bland, dull ir generic. people don‘t like bland, dull and generic. i you as a publisher or developper have to complain ablut release windows then your product is not up to par. but you want us to give you money anyway. no way, josé ;-) it is really as easy as that.
What about when EA released Titanfall 2 between Battlefield and Call of Duty?
And Titanfall was the better of the 3; just got cannibalized by bigger names.
And then hardly advertised it as well. I'm almost positive they sent it out to die so they could devalue the studio and buy it, which is exactly what they did shortly after. Expect Titanfall 3 to have an absurd marketing budget.
The release date is its biggest problem. Releasing around Spider man, FIFA and AC Odyssey was utter stupidity. They had no competition in July August so I don't understand how they didn't push to release then.
Actually I think AC Odyssey is in the same boat. I dont see it doing very well especially between those mega releases.
AC is now an established consistent franchise and Origins brought a lot of fans back so sales wise it will do as expected and presumably Ubisoft are relying on Watch Dogs 3 or Splinter Cell (rumoured) next year for winter sales.
From what I have heard, AC Odyssey is a kick ass game. if it reviews as well as I think it will then it will sell crazy numbers.
That’s what you get when you choose to release between major games. This game should’ve launched in August.
How are the new Tomb Raiders?
I played the first 2, they're pretty good, Just lacking exploration like the original series. It kind of copies Uncharted a bit too much.
it was overshadowed by Spider-man marketing.
You have larger games coming soon and due to the expense people are choosing what they want.
You don't release a game around a major release/releases. That's sheer stupidity.
Releasing around the time between New Call of Duty, Spider-Man and Read Dead Redemption would do that...
Worried? The market decides what's worth while and what isn't, the TR games were never good and people finally are realizing it lol. They are the definition of AAA Copy and paste design.
tomb raider is not that awesome anymore, the reboot is good but it isn't enough
Exactly..the games are not that great to begin with. Mediocre even. Some of the worst writing too in the AAA space.
Quit exaggerating. Its writing isn't the best in the action genre, but it's way above average. I'm enjoying the narrative in Shadow of the Tomb Raider and the gameplay is great.
Many people say that releasing at the same time as Spider-Man is not a factor, specifically cause the game is multiplat. Here's the thing, there's factors that clearly show this is not the case: -The game is a 3rd-person platformer/shooter. Historically, this genre does better on consoles than PC. -The PS4 is the dominant platform this gen. There may be more PC's out there, but as I said, PC player tastes lean to other genres, and the XB1 right now is a non-factor. -It's not just a PS4 game, it's a SPIDER-MAN game. The amount of marketting and hype it has is absolutely huge cause we're talking about THE SECOND MOST POPULAR HERO in the world, and Marvel's undisputed #1. -It was made by Insomniac post-Sunset Overdrive. A lot of people are supporting the game for it being their return to Sony's platform, as well as Insomniac's track record. -Many news outlets and reviewers are praising the game for its lack of microtransaction shenanigans and its clear DLC schedule. That's a hot-button issue these days, and any game that avoids that garbage is getting a good-faith boost. So yeah, I think Spider-Man would have given ANY game released around the same time some trouble, but a game like SOTTR, which hasn't been given a good marketting push and is associated currently with the XBox brand, is just doomed to failure in that release window.
With very good reason, they're releasing it alongside a grip of huge titles it will most definitely be overlooked they should have waited til first of the year
It's a product of it's own hubris. People have been saying since the first, that too much combat needed toning down, RotTR brought more. People asked for more puzzles, we got tiny tombs in the last game and the puzzles were basic. RotTR was Xbox exclusive for a year, alienating some previous fans who had supported in the PS days. People remember. SE release in the busiest, most competitive time of the year... Worry all you want. We know who to blame.
The series kind of has generic written all over it, I admit, but the last 2 games were REALLY fun. Haven't played this one yet, but it's probably the only multi-platform series I enjoy.
To Soon for another TR, fatigue of IP is setting in. To close to Spider-Man release.
If only she had dual pistols
Two words Spiderman and RDR2 those two games have been much more anticipated and to be honest the TR reboot even though decent enough doesn't really stand out. It often get's compared to the Uncharted series warranted or not plus player fatigue is starting to sink in with that series IMO they have had consecutive games being released with that series and to some the series has gotten stale.
I plan to play it but just too busy with Destiny at the moment.
If you can afford it play this game as it's very good. There is plenty of time to play it and Spiderman and RDR this year. It's easily the best looking game I've ever seen and the focus on exploration and the stunning puzzle tombs over combat is a refreshing change for the series.
Very dumb release window.
No multi means i only pay $ 20 .